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BT Stack Question

Hello:
I was wondering if someone could explain the difference between the BT Stack that comes in the XDA/MDAII and the Widcomm BT Stack. I have read in other forums that this is the reason the XDA/MDAII BT does not work well with many devices.
Can someone clarify? Sorry if this question is too "dumb".
Fernando

The Bluetooth "stack" is the software portion of the Bluetooth. It provides various profiles, like a serial profile to connect to a COM/Serial Port, a network profile, a headset profile, etc. Each device provides different profiles.
MS Bluetooth stack some troubles with COM ports.
People are extracting the WidComm Stack, which comes on Ipaq, and using it on XDA II, till a patch is provided.

@palmop
Please how to do?
step by step

Hi Palmop, here we go again!!!
I am trying to create a bond between my MDAII and a BT device. It is asking me to insert a PIN, which I do not have. The device manufacturer (igo.com) claims that a PIN is not necessary, since their device works well with the iPaqs and the Loox. So I am stuck in the middle of BT stack compatibility.
I have also tried to setup a BT bond between my MDAII and my desktop PC (with a BT USB dongle), and in this case the MDAII does not even recognize the desktop.
Is this all the result of a crappy BT stack in the MDAII? Do you think it can be fixed with a patch, or perhaps the Widcomm stack?
Thanks again for your advice.
Fernando

palmop said:
The Bluetooth "stack" is the software portion of the Bluetooth. It provides various profiles, like a serial profile to connect to a COM/Serial Port, a network profile, a headset profile, etc. Each device provides different profiles.
MS Bluetooth stack some troubles with COM ports.
People are extracting the WidComm Stack, which comes on Ipaq, and using it on XDA II, till a patch is provided.
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Could you please provide link for such resource? Thanks.

I believe you should be able to Active Sync via Bluetooth using current stack, at least, but haven't tried myself.
It is the Bluetooth GPS thread here on XDA-Developers.com, search for widcomm, you'll find it

Thanks. one question has not been answered there - after this mod BT headset is still functional?

Apparently no. However, they have used some files dated May, not the latest. So I don't know if those files would fix it.

I have a XDA II and a TDK BT dongle for my PC and can confirm that it does hook up successfully.
You just need to set the serial port to the COMM port of the BT dongle in Activesync, then hit use bluetooth in the activesync menu.
Dom

Can't get ActiveSync to work over Bluetooth - please help.

I recently got a Bluetooth dongle for my PC but can't get my XDA-II to use any of the services !
When I select ActiveSync and the Sync with Bluetooth I get
'Cannot start communications with the desktop computer. The communications prt is not available. Another program may be using the port, or it may not be valid.
Quit any programs that may be using the port and reconnect. If the problem persists, restart your device using the instructions provided by the manufacturer.'
When I choose Bluetooth settings and select 'Bluetooth ActiveSync Setup'->Start on the XDA II I get 'Please bond with other Bluetooth device which supports serial port or ActiveSync profile as your ActiveSync partner !
The PC has the ActiveSync service enabled and I am now stuck. Please help.

Try this utility.
http://bluetooth.i-networx.de/index_e.html
Install it, do a soft reset. Delete previous BT connection and find again.
you should get an option to sync on your XDA II with the specific computer.
:wink:

ActiveSync Via Bluetooth with Troy Windport
Have tried all suggestiosn including http://bluetooth.i-networx.de/index_e.html
Activesync starts to connect an then drops the connection
Have w2k, ActiveSync 3.7.1 and TRoy Windport bluetooth PCMCIA card, XDA II with Latest 6.10.50 upgrade
Only option left is to change/upgrade operating system to XP which I do not want to do.
Anybody got a better idea?
Thanks
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try following this tutorial at geekzone
http://www.geekzone.co.nz/content.asp?contentid=2417

try to turn off infrared communication on ppc.
try to delete all bounded devices both pc and xda.
try to search for a bt device again.

You have to follow the above mentioned procedure. After that you start to search the device with ActiveSync.
ActiveSync will start to check all the serial ports, one port before it comes to the port that is used by your BT stack, you should start ActiveSync via BT on your XDAII.
This is the only way (for me) to get that crap working. After the XDAII and the computer have found each other, future syncs via BT are no (or at least not a big) problem. If the XDAII and the computer sometimes dot not find each other, try to sync 2-3 times, it will hopefully work then. Sometimes there seems a kind of timeout error.
I don't use BT anymore 'cause it is really a hard job to get it running. Even when I managed to establish the connection, after some days the connection gets lost again and can only be repaired by re-installing the BT stack or ActiveSync - I am really tired of beta testing all the bluetooth stacks and stopped to use it until the industry established a working standard...

I try a lot of time after install Tobias application for BT, but I can not see the new dialog after pair my XDA II with PC. Someone help me!

I had the exact same experience. I have not sorted out my the BT problems yet but suffered also from the interrupted connection using the cradle until I disabled Norton anti-virus and firewall.

HELP!
No connection possible between my PC and MDA-II.
Bluetooth Devices program in Windows XP SP2 comes up with "incoming port: 17", while ActivSync seraches only ports 1 to 9.
How can I make them listen to the same port?

http://www.geekzone.co.nz/content.asp?contentid=3163
this guide solved my sp2 bluetooth problems

Rudegar said:
http://www.geekzone.co.nz/content.asp?contentid=3163
this guide solved my sp2 bluetooth problems
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Rudegar, I used this website for setup, but that Bluetooth-port problem still exists

are you using the vidcomm bluetooth stack or the ms one ?
are you using the bluetooth tools url'd to in this threaD ?

Rudegar said:
are you using the vidcomm bluetooth stack or the ms one ?
are you using the bluetooth tools url'd to in this threaD ?
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I downloaded de Microsoft SP2 drivers (as mentioned at that Geekzone url).

i'm talking on the xda not on the pc

Rudegar said:
i'm talking on the xda not on the pc
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On MDA-II I didnt change anything. I use the same drivers as provided within ROM 1.72.

ActiveSync via Bluetooth Problem

Hi there people,
I know I saw a post earlier about this but it didn't help my problem so far. By the way, i'm using a bluetooth from Belkin (for my laptop) which uses Widcomm stack protocols. And I haven't tweaked my XDA II so its still using the default bluetooth stack.
My problem is this, about a week ago, I can syncronize using ActiveSync via the cradle and bluetooth.. everything has worked fine ever since I got the device (which is over a month or two).. But starting yesterday, I'm having problems connection to ActiveSync via bluetooth. All the display is saying is "Connecting to Host".
I've already tried, re-installing, un-installing both the bluetooth driver (on the laptop) and ActiveSync 3.7. But I've already wasted my whole day today but I still can't synchronize. Has anybody out there knows a solution other than hard-resetting the whole XDA II???
I hope somebody could help me on this.
Anyway, thanks in advance for those who can help me...

Bluetooth Connection
i followed step by step about bluetooth ActiveSync guide from this site :
http://www.geekzone.co.nz/content.asp?contentid=2417
until now. i have no problem connection with activesync via bluetooth
my pc installed XP-sp1 and widcomm 1.4.3.4
myppc is standart MS BT stack
hope this helps.

Re: Bluetooth Connection
ajong said:
i followed step by step about bluetooth ActiveSync guide from this site :
http://www.geekzone.co.nz/content.asp?contentid=2417
until now. i have no problem connection with activesync via bluetooth
my pc installed XP-sp1 and widcomm 1.4.3.4
myppc is standart MS BT stack
hope this helps.
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Thanks for the help but still did not work... I can connect via bluetooth... my xda2 and my laptop can authenticate each other... it's just the stupid activesync not working... arghhhh... i'm almost in the brink for resetting the whole d**m thing....
Now even using the cradle keeps getting Unresolved Items... time for backup and restore :evil:

some peoples problems with activesync is solved by removing the connection and letting it reconnect
also i believe there is a activesync 3.71

Re: Bluetooth Connection
AcidSlide said:
ajong said:
i followed step by step about bluetooth ActiveSync guide from this site :
http://www.geekzone.co.nz/content.asp?contentid=2417
until now. i have no problem connection with activesync via bluetooth
my pc installed XP-sp1 and widcomm 1.4.3.4
myppc is standart MS BT stack
hope this helps.
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Thanks for the help but still did not work... I can connect via bluetooth... my xda2 and my laptop can authenticate each other... it's just the stupid activesync not working... arghhhh... i'm almost in the brink for resetting the whole d**m thing....
Now even using the cradle keeps getting Unresolved Items... time for backup and restore :evil:
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I'm having the same problem, however mine has never synced via bluetooth. I can get both the desktop and the phone to add each other to the bonded list, but can never get either one to see the other once I have gone through the process of adding them to the bonded list.

how to setup ActiveSync v3.8.0 via bluetooth on xda II mini?

hi ppl
as the title suggests can someone please post some info on how to setup an ActiveSync connection from my PC to my xda mini via bluetooth?
the mini is running Win Pocket PC 2003
thanks

http://www.geekzone.co.nz/content.asp?contentid=449

thanks!
however i get to the :
"Select the Options button..." - in Microsoft ActiveSync.
But the "options" button is actually greyed out for me, so i cant get any further...any ideas?

if it's on the pocketpc then first you need to bond with the pc
if it's on the pc then you need to choose a com port which the bluetooth use as a valid com connection if the pda use vidomm bluetooth stack then the site also have a guide to set it up using that

My magician doesn't have a bluetooth configuration like that in figures.
Mine is MUCH MORE simple.
Looking at the figures it seems that the bluetooth stack on that pocket pc is the widcomm...
Anyone knows how to upgrade the bluetooth stack on my Magician?
..or better.. is there a way to use it with the current bluetooth implementation?

prob because you picked the wrong guide?
http://www.geekzone.co.nz/content.asp?contentid=2417

Bluetooth Activesync

Has anyone managed to get a Prophet to ActiveSync over bluetooth? If so what ROM are you using and what Bluetooth dongle and bluetooth stack?
Any tips?

Richard Fantom said:
Has anyone managed to get a Prophet to ActiveSync over bluetooth? If so what ROM are you using and what Bluetooth dongle and bluetooth stack?
Any tips?
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Yes, it's actually simple, works for me with every rom I have tested (HTC MS Stack), just make sure that activesync on your host is listening on the right com port ,refresh your PPC and the activesync service should be visible, Lurk around this board, there is alot good reading material to find
regards
marl

Cheers. I wanted confirmation first of all that it does work.
I am using the PDA Mobiz AKU3.2 beta ROM and I have only tried with that ROM not any previous. Could you tell me what ROM you are using at present please? I may well "downgrade" to one that is known to work.
And what Bluetooth device are you using on your desktop PC, and what Windows bluetooth stack (eg Widcomm)?
Thanks.

Richard Fantom said:
Cheers. I wanted confirmation first of all that it does work.
I am using the PDA Mobiz AKU3.2 beta ROM and I have only tried with that ROM not any previous. Could you tell me what ROM you are using at present please? I may well "downgrade" to one that is known to work.
And what Bluetooth device are you using on your desktop PC, and what Windows bluetooth stack (eg Widcomm)?
Thanks.
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Hi m8,
I'm using the latest official Qtek rom on my S200
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=283245
and sync to a HP/Compaq NX7010 notebook which has WidComm 3.0.1.905
Most issues I have seen where related to proper com port selection
regards
marl

research a bit
Richard Fantom said:
Cheers. I wanted confirmation first of all that it does work.
I am using the PDA Mobiz AKU3.2 beta ROM and I have only tried with that ROM not any previous. Could you tell me what ROM you are using at present please? I may well "downgrade" to one that is known to work.
And what Bluetooth device are you using on your desktop PC, and what Windows bluetooth stack (eg Widcomm)?
Thanks.
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The BT issue has been an old one around.
If you are having problems, I suggest:
1- After HARD RESET, make your very first move, to BT pair your Prophet with your BT laptop or PC. Do that from your PDA. The AS profile will be there.
2- then do whatever other pairing you like
3- installing TomTom, pairing with GPS's or Hands free kits BEFORE an Active Sync pairing, REMOVES THE ACTIVE SYNC OPTION FROM THE REGISTRY, and REPLACES THAT with THE SERIAL PORT on your PC available profiles!. I've found no way back for that, no matter how much I tweaked the registry.
Hope it helps.

Thanks guys I will keep playing with it and hopefully get somewhere before I through the JAMin out of the window.
I'm trying to get Phone Control to work with my PC in my car. Essential application if only I could use it. www.phoco.net

I use the 818pro with Macbook , surely with the built-in bluetooth apple with MS stack.
1) (not sure if this step is necessary?) Just make USB active sync normally first time.
2) open the COM4 on PC as incoming port. [double click the icon on bottom right "Bluetooth icon"]
3) make COM6 as incoming port on 818pro [Connection ->Bluetooth]
4) paring the 818pro and PC, this step it will show you the ActiveSync service, tick it.
5) go to the ActiveSync program and Menu->Connect via Bluetooth.
that's it.
I've ever used with the dongle Billionton, with the Widcomm driver.
I think the trick is about the COM port, you just prepare both "incoming port" on PC and PDA, and then both of them can touch each others.
Hope this helps.
Charles,

zyberlee said:
I use the 818pro with Macbook , surely with the built-in bluetooth apple with MS stack.
1) (not sure if this step is necessary?) Just make USB active sync normally first time.
2) open the COM4 on PC as incoming port. [double click the icon on bottom right "Bluetooth icon"]
3) make COM6 as incoming port on 818pro [Connection ->Bluetooth]
4) paring the 818pro and PC, this step it will show you the ActiveSync service, tick it.
5) go to the ActiveSync program and Menu->Connect via Bluetooth.
that's it.
I've ever used with the dongle Billionton, with the Widcomm driver.
I think the trick is about the COM port, you just prepare both "incoming port" on PC and PDA, and then both of them can touch each others.
Hope this helps.
Charles,
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No way to apply the com port with WM5 and Win XP to AS via BT. (using Billiontom dongle)