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Hi on my older phones like siemens there was an option to send dtmf tones which i used a lot.
EG.
1) I call 0800 CALLING CARD number and get a dialtone from the callco
2) I quickly go into my contacts and pull out the relevant contact and send the number as a dtmf tone
3) I get through to the contact
I really need to be able to send dtmf tones asap!
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seems to be some software which does it but if any other ideas or software please let me know.
http://www.mobidial.com/mD/
Try dialDTMF at http://sourceforge.net/projects/dialdtmf
On my Jam it works flawlessly.
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Hi there thank you for the pointer!
I am about to try it out later today but have been reading about dialDTMF on here:
http://dialdtmf.sourceforge.net/
It sounds like it is designed before pocket pc's became phones simply to send a dtmf tone through to another phone by holding the pocket pc over the mic of the other phone. In this sense I would describe it as "Emitting DTMF tones" as oppose to "Sending DTMF tones".
This is different in the sense I would like to call a freephone number on the magician and then send the tones on the magician from my contacts. This is what I am calling "Sending DTMF tones".
Im hoping that even though it is designed to *emit* DTMF tones the sound is loud enough to go through to the freephone calling card company!!
Fingers crossed.
If anyone knows of a "Send DTMF tones" solution for the HTC Typhoon - SPV C500 / Sp3 please also post it, thank you!
Hi All,
I'm the developer of dialDTMF, Glad to hear it works out for some people,
As for cell phone support, you are correct it does not send DTMF's using the cell phone api it just makes sounds. You could try upping the volume and hope the mic picks it up like sainthalo mentioned.
The alternative would be to take the source code and update it to send the DTMF tone rather than play it. This would fairly easy for a cell phone developer to do (I don't have time or a cell phone that runs wm2003), should just be a couple of new functions. I'm happy to discuss (via email) though if some one wants to try, The source code is freely available. You could also check out http://artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~jsyk7570/Xialer/ but it doesn't really handle calling cards.
I've a potentiall silly question: Are 0800 numbers free to call from mobile phones in the UK now? The last time I was over there they weren't (only from landlines). It maybe that using a calling card won't save any money.
Chris
Hi there clach04,
Thanks for signing up to these forums to help in this quest!
DialDTMF works as it is designed - as a Pocket PC DTMF tone generator but not to send DTMF tones down the Magician phoneline.
Okay, i'm sad to report that it does not work because it is not using the api and so is a "DTMF Emitter" rather than a "DTMF Sender".
There are several coders around here who are very active so god willing one of them will be along to help although it's something like this which gives the real urge to learn how to code. DO you have any advice for me (links, tools, etc) if I were to try and achieve this myself?
As for the 0800 codes there are some tarriffs left in the UK where you are entitled to call 0800 numbers to come off free minutes or simply as genuine free phone calls - thankfully I have one of these older contracts and therefore I can use calling card services.
Best regards
sainthalo
Guys, I would love to help out but with my upcoming nuptials it might be difficult.
However, I'm thinking thus:
Emitting DTMF is easy, play it out of the speaker.
Sending dtmf will require interfacing with the Phone part of the PDA; you should be aware that our PDA Phones are actually two semi-independant devices, phone and PDA; have you noticed you can switch off the PDA and still continue with a call? The two devices communicate through a virtual COM port:- this is done through AT commands and/or RIL. This is not an area of the PDA I have had much experience with yet, but what I understand so far is that it is very difficult to send data through to the Phone part of the PDA, from the PDA part.
This sounds absurd, and I may be absurdly wrong, but I suspect it is a similar problem to the existing issue about recording in-progress telephone calls. We don't yet know how, or if it is possible at all to interface directly into that part of the PDA and interact with the data, and so recording both sides of a phone calls is currently considered impossible.
I know user Pai has done a lot of work on Cell ID and other interfacing on that side of things. I suggest giving him a bell (no pun intended!) and asking his opinion.
I'll try to monitor this thread though.
clach04 - Do you have any further thoughts on this?
V
EDIT: Guys, I just had a thought. In the very old modem days school, we used to dial using at commands AT P (for pulse dialling, or AT T for tone)
eg AT P 123 would dial 123
It would do this by generating DTMF tones!
It should be possible I presume to send DTMF tones in this way as discussed above (RIL/AT). Anyone concur? This can be tested I presume with a terminal program, or just find COM code on this board. I'll try to find it if I get a chance.
V
Hey thanks Vijay, i'll keep my fingers crossed you come back to think about this in the future!
I have had another thought following Vijay's post and realised that a few other bugbears which many people find a tad annoying and would like to circumvent are possibly linked to this case. I have read on here people would like to play a recording/song from the Magician to a caller they are speaking to. I have done this many times on a Siemens SL45i but not on HTC Typhoon or Magician.
Im guessing the inability to play a Magician located recording/song down the Magician phoneline is down to the same reason that the dtmfDialer will not make a noise during a call - something is blocking out use of the speaker by PPC based software. Im assuming it is the PHONE software which locks out other PPC software.
If we can hack the PHONE calling software so that it allows other software to operate as normal it may well impact/solve the following problems:
Recording both sides of voice calls clearly
Sending DTMF tones
Playing recordings/music to other side of call
The dtmfDialer definitely does something during a call and I think i can hear some suppressed clicking when attempting to send a dtmfDialer tone during a phone call but sadly no audible tones. This possibly confirms my theory that the PHONE CALL SOFTWARE is blocking use of the speaker.
Well what do you all think? Possibly an awesome fix to many problems if the phone dialer can be hacked...
Saint, with regard to recording calls, there are other threads on this issue where much better men than I have said it's impossible, at least right now.
As I understand it, there's no direct connection between the phone and the pda bit, so playing something out of the speaker isn't playing it down the line - so the best we've got is "emission" rather then send.
This isn't a limitation by the caller program, it's a hardware limitation caused by the way our PDA phones are hacked together.
However, I think the AT P commands should crack this. I'll look into it at some point, if I can find example code.
V
Saint, with regard to recording calls, there are other threads on this issue where much better men than I have said it's impossible, at least right now.
As I understand it, there's no direct connection between the phone and the pda bit, so playing something out of the speaker isn't playing it down the line - so the best we've got is "emission" rather then send.
This isn't a limitation by the caller program, it's a hardware limitation caused by the way our PDA phones are hacked together.
However, I think the AT P commands should crack this. I'll look into it at some point, if I can find example code.
V
vijay555 said:
you should be aware that our PDA Phones are actually two semi-independant devices, phone and PDA;
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The two devices communicate through a virtual COM port:- this is done through AT commands and/or RIL.
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clach04 - Do you have any further thoughts on this?
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Not really, my comments about how easy it would be to extend dialDTMF were from the dialDTMF contacts plugin perspective. It sounds like the SDK/api for these devices (for phone use) is pretty thin :-( If you do find that a modem AT style dial works you can replace the dtmf player in dialDTMF with a dial-string generator - the hard bit will be the interface to the phone. The dialing rules library I put into dialDTMF actually has a demo program that dumps dial strings to stdout (when ran on the desktop) - but until the phone api is resolved that is only midly interesting/useful now.
The AT style dial string approach sounds workable from the description.
sainthalo said:
DO you have any advice for me (links, tools, etc) if I were to try and achieve this myself?
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That's one of those open ended questions that are really tricky to answer, I suspect this forum you are on is the best place to start as I suspect they have links to everything you will need:
You need a Cross compiler for WinCE:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...3D-50D1-41B2-A107-FA75AE960856&displaylang=en
I guess youwill need a phone sdk:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...99-EC5C-427C-807C-4C0F96765A81&displaylang=en
I'm not clear from reading the comments that this is for your device though..
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If you nead to learn C then your learning curve will be pretty steep, try http://www.cyberdiem.com/vin/learn.html as a starting point
http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~lcc-win32/ is a nice small system and has tutorials to get you started with simple desktop programs
As for the actual phone SDK/api - I've no idea (and no phone) sorry I can't be of more help. Once the basic how to send DTMF's through the phone is solved converting dialDTMF will be pretty straight forward and I can point people in the right direction with that,
Chris
clach - I agree it should be very easy to converter over your DTMF code to AT or equivalent once someone hacks in AT commands.
General:
see here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=19866&highlight=commands
There's code here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/vie...start=25&sid=3e4fdf4cec07bfe39e806da375db69c3
that I'm going to look into for CellID at some point. However, if you look through you can see how they're sending standard AT commands.
Hope that points someone somewhere!
Re: learning c++. I've only been using it for < 1 month, and it is a steep learning curve, but there are some things that can only be done in C++ and EVB isn't worth touching generally IMHO. So, steep learning curve it is. I'll be on the beach with C++ for Dummies :wink:
V
Guys i need some help with a programe
Something fun
1, Phone captures the UPC barcode/ISBN number (manually/scanning/etc)
2, Software converts UPC to ISBN (this is done via a simple formula)
3, Software converts ISBN to DTMF (or touch tone)
4, Software ready to accept new UPC barcode/ISBN number
(manually/scanning/etc) :roll:
Let me know if anyone wants to take on this project
[email protected]
RIL (Radio Interface Layer)
I got this from google - it may be the key. I've not looked into it yet but thought I'd post it to see if anyone has gone down the RIL road yet and if they've got any ideas:
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how to send DTMF on smartphone?
I found RIL_SendDTMF function of RIL API
but I don't know how to use it?
May I LoadLibrary of RILGSM.dll and GetProcAddress of RIL_SendDTMF function
to realize send DTMF?
or have another simply method?
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Anyone using C# to use this?
Pat
RIL
FYI:
RILGSM.dll can also be known as RIL.dll
Hello
I wrote an answering machine program (mortscript) for WM5 but I encountered a strange problem, when a call is answered all sounds playing in my phone was silent.
Does anyone know a tweak how to disable the silent feature in WN5?
Thanks
Do you have a cab file program for WM6? really need this program !!!
NO, Not yet.
When it's done there will be no need of cab file, it is a very light script file.
The only problem I have now is that my greeting message can't be heard by the caller because, as I said all sounds are silent.
There are no other problems, the caller can leave his message as usual.
You can even determine the length of the recording.
I hate to disappoint you, but an answering machine can not be written for many WM based phones in native C, let alone using mortscript.
Ahh if it was only that easy...
When a call is answered the sound is routed differently to and from the phone on the OS / Hardware level and as far as we know short of faking a BT deriver there is no way to record from the phone or play sound to the person at the other end.
There have been a lot of discussion on this subject in the forum, please use google and search the forum for "answering machine".
Thanks for your answer.
I have searched this form and the internet for such software and encountered your answer – B U T - I have noticed that in my phone (ETEN X500) I HAVE NO PROBLEMS WITH RECORDING CONVERSATIONS - the caller and my voice, (I even wrote a recording script and assigned it to the record button).
The only problem with my answering machine is that after the device automatically answer the call, the caller can't hear my greeting message, actually no sound cab be played because when there is an incoming call, the device mutes all other sounds.after that I can record the caller voice with no problems.
BTW – If a song is playing and a call comes, the song mutes, but when the call end, the song voice comes again.
So I thought there must be a registry value that orders the device to mute all sounds when a call comes.
tweak
i know there are some tweaks (programs) ,only i cant remember wich ones... that will let you choose between muting sound/notification in call or just let it play. i think phone alarm from pocketmax.net has that option. and maybe i can come up with some others if you give some time.....at this moment i cant remember any .... but i will let you know. i know for sure that there are some options for this!!
Thanks man
That what i thought. There must be some tweak for it.
Looking forward to your reply
This is interesting. As I wrote in my answer the problem is with "many" not all WM based phones.
So far I only knew about one that came with a built in answering machine - the g-smart.
I assumed you had an HTC phone, but if ETENs have recording and playback capability during calls too this may be very interesting.
Unfortunately, I do not know of any specific tweak for what you ask, but check out Tweaks2k2 and Pocket hack master perhaps one of them will have it.
Thanks, but no luck in both of them.
Still looking for the desired tweak...
So u need to press the record button to activate recording?
No,
The script detect an incoming call, if the call doesn't answered after X seconds (you define the X), the device answers the call, play the greeting message (which for now can't be heard by the caller – that until I find the desired tweak), after that the device opens Notes and starts recording for Y seconds (once again - you define the Y).
When the recording is done it sends a missing call notification – so you know you have missing calls.
Hi there,
Perhaps I'm getting the wrong end of the stick....but how is this any better than the answerphone function you get with mobile operators??
It’s not.
But it has its benefit. You save all messages on your phone (and can forward them to your PC), you don’t have to call your operator to listen to your messages, you can control on the activation and the parameters of your answering machine and most of all – you save a lot of money (at least here we pay for each call to cellular operator)
Guys, go read http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1798169
Ah I think an answering machine is possible using SK Schema
I found the article on the internet and it was quite a joy as it worked perfectly for me on my Imate Jam
Played back the prerecorded message nicely and then ran Resco audio recorder to record the sound very nicely as well
If interested I can post the whole script here
Oh
Please do
Thanks
Check this out guys: http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-download-isecretary-v1-1.html
Haven't tried it yet, it looks too "simple", but ok
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=357635
this should indeed answer all your questions in regaurds to an answering service for you ppc
The beginning to visual voicemail?
This would be pretty sweet...good luck man.
The below mentioned article was written by andason:
Here is a how to on the answering machine... thanks to "testdebug".
first change
HKEY_CURRENT_USER->control panal->sound categories-> attenuation
0 -------- 0x0(1)
then.
how to generate and save script file= open skchema. cleck tools. click script. click new. select command. and select phone then answer at the top. click ok. click new again. select command. choose multimadia then play a wave file. select parameters. and choose file. browse and select the wav file u created by yourself using the windows default note application. choose tools again. click context menu. and click save to file. This is the script file that your are going to select and execute at the below mentioned.
from skchema, go to watch mode, type new, select watch for windows then choose phone at the top. select event title, choose phone ring on top. select ring number and put your dersired number of ring time before pickup. select execute and choose the script files that you saved at above.
Download latest version freeware PMrecorder. and create a shortcut n throw it into startup. it will record all your calls. to playback calls. just click on call list. select the logs and click play. You can set skschema to execute file when exit so that skschema will not expire. the file is a freeware mortscript, set it to delete skschema registry at hkey_current_usersoftwaresksks chemmain.Just save the file as RegDelete HKCU,Softwareskschema,main
Now u have an aswering machine that will auto answer your call at a specified number of rings which specified from u. then it will playback wav file from your recorded voice. And recording the calls. i see the pmrecorder does not record using the mic but through internal phone module as it is loud even recording othe party.
Ta-ta.........answering machine!
i even set skschme to monitor my sms. if specified number or sms words is recognised. it will excute script tp start cell profiler. scan the cell id then sms me back the cell location then format or delete all the files in case of thief.
~~~End of original post~~~
Note that in order for the above script to work correctly on my Imate Jam i needed to add a delay of 3 secs [after receiving the call and before playing back the greetings wav file: in parameters put #d(3)] in the original answering machine script by testdebug.
Instead of PMrecorder I used Resco audio recorder and the quality of the other party is simply "wow", very loud.
Hi All,
I found this great app that acts as an answering machine but it is very buggy and does not play the outgoing msg for the caller calling in so that he/she knows to leave a msg, otherwise it works great. The app is called iSecretary. Can anyone here recommend a similar app or cann fix up this app?
Here is the info about the app below:
A lot of Windows Mobile users have been asking for answering machines for years. While it has long been available on competing mobile smartphone platforms (for example, Smart Answer for the S60), for Windows Mobile, so far, there wasn't a generic one - that is, one that wasn't shipped along with a specific Pocket PC model only.
Now, this seems to be changing: the first "real" answering machine has been released for WM Pocket PC's.
Two screenshots of the incoming, recorded calls:
(HTC Universal)
(HTC Wizard)
Features
- lifts the handset automatically when the preset time expires;
- plays the file to the caller;
- records your caller's message within the limits of preset time and hangs up;
- contact list filter (choose an individual wav for each contact);
- ignore list;
- compatible with speakerphone (for PDA whitch can not work with signal in line);
- autoload after SoftReset.
- Speakerphone volume control
- Microphone control (its work with some PDA, For example: ASUS P525).
- Black List, reject ringing (filtring by phone number).
Getting, installing
Get it HERE, unRAR it with, say, WinRAR, transfer the contents of it to your Pocket PC and run iSecretary.exe. You can safely minimize it / suspend the phone: whenever an incoming call arrives, the answering machine activates, plays the default message (you can easily change it in the Answer List tab, even in the non-registered version) and starts recording the caller's voice. If it can, that is - the same restrictions apply as with traditional call recorders like PMRecorder. .
Trial restrictions
With the trial version iSecretary 2.x, you can only use 2 second recordings.
After buying the activation key you will be able to use all the modefications of the 2.x version.
Freeware version
A freeware version of iSercretary 1.x you can get HERE.
Technical requirements:
200MHz ARM processor, Windows Mobile 5 or more, Compact FrameWork v2.
Tested devices:
- ASUS P525
- HTC Universal
- HTC Wizard
links dont work, and the screenshots neither
Guys, make sure you follow my articles in the Genral forum - particularly my reviews. I've reviewed this stuff a long ago and have always been posting update news.
Try Bizi app. Auto responder by SMS. As alternative to the answering machine.
I've searched for a registry setting for my HTC Touch to disable the muting effect of an in-process phone call to enable Media Player to play sound.
I found only one instance of a registry setting... it was to change HKCU-Control Panel-SoundCategories-Attenuation
In this key, I have
0...0x0(0)
1...0x1(1)
2...0x2(2)
I've found one post where it says to change 0...0x0(0) to 0...0x0(1)
When I do this, I get
0...0x1(1)
1...0x1(1)
2...0x2(2)
and I am still unable to play a wav file during a phone call.
Can anybody offer any suggestions?
--Yes, I'm trying to get the infamous answering machine to work because my carrier here in China does not have voicemail. This has driven me into the underground obsession of scripting, tweaking, and hacking of my new, wonderful companion...WM6. After 3 months of poking, prodding, reading, buying software (SK Schema, Resco Registry Editor, etc.) I've finally signed up on the board. What a wonderful hobby (now that I've finally backed up a good configuration for myself!!!)
Hi
I've been looking for that tweak for a long time now (see my posts).
The bad news – It looks like nobody knows
The good news – It's possible – works in iSecretary
I think that the difference is the program that plays the wav file. Somehow the one who wrote iSecretary found a way to play wav files without the traditional WM5 ways.
Is there anyone who can help with this? With the powers vested in this forum and the incredible things I've seen here, there must be someone who know hows to pull this off!!!
Did anyone have or can develop the software that can put music or sound recorded to play while you 're talking on the phone, like the Background Music or Call Cheating in Symbian (Nokia).
I'm searching for this type of program for long long time still can't find it.
Any comments ,pleaseeeee
My question is very similar...
I've searched for a registry setting for my HTC Touch to disable the muting effect of an in-process phone call to enable Media Player to play sound.
I found only one instance of a registry setting... it was to change HKCU-Control Panel-SoundCategories-Attenuation
In this key, I have
0...0x0(0)
1...0x1(1)
2...0x2(2)
I've found one post where it says to change 0...0x0(0) to 0...0x0(1)
When I do this, I get
0...0x1(1)
1...0x1(1)
2...0x2(2)
and I am still unable to play a wav file during a phone call.
If we can get past these registry issues, you can play any music you want to just using media player.
This is because it's not possible to send sounds/music to the caller.
Thats also the reason why the "Answering Machine" uses the speaker to shout your message out loud, instead of sending the message directly.
Gigabyte can do
I heard that one model in the past of Gigabyte can do background sound while calling. The program named "Wise Talk" but only in this model. wonder whether can extract out to share other ppc or not.
kriengkrai said:
I heard that one model in the past of Gigabyte can do background sound while calling. The program named "Wise Talk" but only in this model. wonder whether can extract out to share other ppc or not.
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It is a hardware issue - not a software problem.
Most Windows Mobile devices have the phone sound hardwired and not accessible via software.
Only possibility might be via the headset channel
I think it is possible.
How come iSecretary can play your recording out loud while the caller is listening to your recording.
yes it plays it out LOUD!
So it's not played directly to the caller, it's played through the rear speaker instead.
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Defcomg says we can play music while on call with TCPMP.
I have Himalaya.
I'm not optimistic about it but I'll try.
This is not a hardware issue or anything, & hopefully somebody can tweak this setting.
did it work?
I was doing this with my N73 from ages..
but my htc diamond is helpless in doing this..
almost all symbian devices has this features..then why not windows phones??
are you talking about replacing the *beep beep*-sound when calling someone? if so, that's an operator feature wich have to be set as a service in the operator network for your number seperately.. and then people will hear it while calling you, not the other way around. not all operators provide that service though..
..if that's not what you meant, sorry, then I have no clue.
The jews have better devices to allow mobile users to have an offline answering machine locally. Im sure it's a jumper wire hack switched or not but there is no reason to make it so difficult. Boycott the ask a not see bankers