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Hi,
I have a very recently purchased XDA II.
I was under the impression that the battery time was considerably improved.
Although I have turned down the backlight brightness when on battery power, it still starts to loose power when I receive or send a SMS for example.
Is this normal or do I have a duff battery ?
Steve
try turning off bluetooth when you dont use it
it's suppose to be a batt hog
Yup,
done that. I only have BT on when I am actually using my headset.
Any other idea's
Steve
when does it auto turn off ?
when does the backlight turn off ?
are there any SD cards connected seem to recall that they eat batt aswell
I've had mine a week, have the same power drain problem. After charging it all last night I managed to use it as a PDA for a total of 40 mins over a 6 hour period today before the battery drained. No phone calls were made, Bluetooth disconnected (I do have a 256 MB card installed, but I don't know if this has anything to do with it), furthermore the backlight is set to the default setting and the auto power off set to 1 min. In any case I would expect to get more than 40 mins use of the PDA, the specification states upto 15 hours.
I took the unit back to the store, they say that this is a rare problem (yeah right :roll: ), they gave me a new battery which I am now recharging, hopefully this will work.
mmmm, it's very strange.
I am doing a test now. I have a imate with the official imate upgrade. I have a gps sysonchip bt. One and half hours ago i connected the imate with the gps and i started a demo of 500 km. Now the battery is at 75%.....Maybe de last upgrade solved this problem.... :shock:
You should get far better performance than this.
Three things that can drain the power:
Communications/Peripherals - IR, bluetooth, SDIO wireless LAN etc. Disable all of them unless you're actually using them.
Processor hungry programs - check if you have anything running in the background that could prevent the device switching to full sleep mode.
Lack of radio signal - if you're out of contact with a base station, the device tries to connect at full power every 30s - a big battery drain, so if you know you're out of contact, turn off the radio.
However, even with everything running, I'd expect a running time way above 40mins, so it sounds like you have a hardware problem with your device. I easily get 3h full brightness, full processing (ie watching a movie or playing a game) with radio on.
Turn IR off?
Is there anyway to actually turn the IR off on the XDA II?
Just the Start-Settings-Connections-Beam-Receive all incoming beams checkbox.
tried the new battery today, same procedure as yesterday (no bluetooth etc), had a slightly better performance today from the new battery, managed to get roughly an hours actual use out of the PDA (games etc) over a period of... 10 hours, ooh atleast it lasted the working day so must be better... however still no way near the 15 hours PDA work time as stated on the box!
However something I have noticed is that every now and then (after switching off the unit and just leaving it on the desk) the screen comes to life displaying a running program, (just how do you turn off the media player? I now realise it isnt with the "X"). Anyway why does it "power" back up? I wonder if this has anything to do with my power problem, that perhaps it has switched back on whilst in my pocket (BTW I have set the buttons so that they do not switch the PDA on accidently)
So, I'm recharging again, (I think I might take the MMC card out see if tht makes a difference). I expect something better for my EUR 500, what is the point of being able to go online anywhere if you have to be plugged into the mains! If I can't get the damn thing to work satisfactoraily by next week then it is going back to the shop, despite it being a Gucci shiny piece of kit!
@MoistVelvet: Actually, it;s not so much the device itself but the operating systems that is the cause of a few quirks. Luckily, a lot has been written on this forum and other forums on websites such as www.ppcw.net. A lot can been improved by limiting the number of programs that can be found in the \windows\startup folder of the XDA II. I'd suggest you have a look around in the various topics. I ended up honing my XDA II to a point where I am actually very very satisfied with it's performance ...
Can someone repost the items in the windows start up folder than can be deleted and what they do on the XDA II.
I was surprised at the amount of apps in there, but dont know what I can safely delete.
Steve
Wiz,
thanks for the tip, I'll have a look around.
Well the batery did last longer yesterday, managed to get through a whole workig day before it ran out, so the jury is still out!
Realised perhaps one of the reasons why the unit would switch itself on, whilst at work I have a very low signal, so every minute or two the signal strength would go up and switch the screen on. I have set to auto switch off after 1 min, but I wonder if there is there a way to stop it from switching on?
Hm, my experience is quite different. I use it throughout the day with around 15 phone calls, at least 2 GPRS synchronisations, some other usage of contacts, calendar and email and when I get home it's still around 60 percent - the most drain appears to happen on the way back home when I use the BT headset...
When your uses so much more power you may like to check what kind of programs you use. First idea is to have a critical look at fancy today plugins... my worst experience was with Battery Pack, the best way to empty your battery :lol:
Maybe you like to use UpTime plugin (http://ae.inc.ru/uptime_t.html) which really tells you how much you actually use the PocketPC and which doesn't do anythings while it's switched off...
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Wiz,
Realised perhaps one of the reasons why the unit would switch itself on, whilst at work I have a very low signal, so every minute or two the signal strength would go up and switch the screen on.
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Actually, the reason it periodically switches on is the O2 Homezone application. Whenever your phone changes to a new base station (which can happen even if you don't move), the stupid Homezone app turns the phone on. This is a known issue, and the only known remedy is to disable the app completely (remove from Autostart folder, soft reset phone).
Cheers
Daniel
Hi
I have an xdaII, which i load loads and loads of things onto. I did find that the battery was draining quite quickly. eg. charge it all night, just leaving it running in the day with hardly any use would drain the battery by about 90 percent! Bluetooth was off etc.
One time, the thing drained completely, and it needed a hardboot. Im going to send it back shortly for investigation/repairs.
However, since it hardbooted, i have not installed a thing. And i am finding that the battery is lasting a lot longer. I managed to go 3 days, of average usage, (few incoming/outgoing calls), without charging the battery!
This makes me think some apps must cause the battery to drain. I had battery app installed (that runs in today screen). I had fonix voicedial installed. I had quite a few games installed.
I think some software was causing the battery consumption,.. possibly battery pack.
re
I have previously had problems with battery drain, due to apps running in the background.
I also found specific apps like the battery pack, LAN sdio, bluetooth and the camera app, would drain the battery quickly.
Although you can manage closing apps down through settings/system/memory/running programmes I found the app Gigatask http://gigatask.com/ a simpler way to manage tasks.
There are others, but I found this suitable for my needs.
Now when I close an app I know it's closed and not running in the background draining the battery.
I still charge daily, habit now when I get home from work, but I have no worries about battery drain, and it rarely goes lower than 65% for a normal days use.
Cheers, Shire
turning infrared beam recieve off will help a little
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MAtes, I have a question regarding this nice tool. In the latest version it switches Bluetooth automatically off after 30 seconds of inactivity which causes some problems for me. On http://bluetooth.i-networx.de/index_e.html it says:
Bluetooth is switched on automatically on incoming calls. However it take some seconds until the connection to the headset/car kit is established. If you leave Bluetooth always on there is no delay.
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So how do I leave Bluetooth always on then?
Hello farnold,
Hey nice tool, I've never heard of it! Thanks for sharing the tip!
In return maybe I can help you with your problem....
In order to disable the 30 second timer you can either click on the white clock on the today screen (it must turn gray to show a disabled state) or simply disable that today item (Start/Settings/Today/Items and uncheck Bluetooth Tools) that way the power saving feature will not work, but the rest of the suite will...
I hope this resolves your problem.
Best regards,
Rayan
Thanks, mate, the trick was clicking on the clock symbol I used it today in "standard" mode where Bluetooth switches itself off after 30 seconds... still answer calls wasn't such a problem - just took a second longer I would say
I have downloaded and installed this program. I am impressed with the added abilities included in it - in particular the "step down the road" of voice dialing with a BT headset, in that the phone now actually responds to a button press from the headset, though voice-dialing is not yet possible.
I am however very concerned by the huge increase in battery drain - my i-mate drained from 100% to 0% overnight last night. Before installing this program it would rarely drain below 65% overnight. This was with the BT on all the time . . . but I always left BT on all of the time before as well. This issue would need to be addresses (obviously) before this program would be a viable option.
why dont your pda sleep in it's cradle ?
It could have last night . . . but I wnated to make sure everything was normal - I noticed a quicker power drain after installing it and wanted to do a longer test.
Also, I am about to travel to Ukraine for the next 10 days, and there will be long periods (like 9+ hour airplane ride) where charging will not be possible. A rapid drain of my MP3 player, eBook reader and game console (I love the i-mate! ) would make me a very unhappy traveller.
@BRosenow,
So why don't you use the Bluetooth 60 second auto power off instead?
That way you will save some juice and Bluetooth will still work when you get a call.
Regards,
Rayan
I installed this program and left my cradle around 15:00 today. It's now 21:15 and the battery displays 90% left. I have sent and received several SMS'es, so I don't feel that there are any extra drain on my system.
Regards
Michael
As I am now seeing, people in other forums are posting experiences similar to mine. See http://www.ppcsg.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=32049&sid=b07cb63386a7323151a0a87d2b2e8081 for this discussion. They indicate (as I noticed when I had auto power-off enabled) that this had no effect of the quick power drain.
Strange, I am still at 86% power some 8 hours after leaving the charger. I have rebounded my GPS and used bluetooth briefly after installing the latest pocket bluetooth tools. Possible you have a conflict with some app I am not running..
Regards
Michael
Hm, really strange. I also did not see any change in power consumption using this tool. I always take mine off the cradle around 8am in the morning and use it throught the day until about 7pm in the evening. Bluetooth w/o that tool only in the car - now more or less always, but with Auto Sleep Mode... the power drain is about the same for me...
I have the same power drain problem. My device didn't power off automatically whichever profile (on the Today plugin) I used. It works only when I switch on the bluetooth timer, but I want to have it on always.
Mine, I got different issue... after installing this new version I'm having problem to connect to my Bluetooth headset sometimes it works sometime it doesn't. Also if it doesn't connect to my bluetooth headset I can't even use the phone itself, the other party can hear me but I can't hear the person on the other line. Also the Headset icon is missing when you're using BT headset. I installed it twice and end-up the same problem so I uninstall it and used the previous version.
BUT I really like the feature that you can dial the last number you call thru the BT Headset.
Anyone having the same problem? I am using the latest ROM of T-Mobile by the way!
Hey Superperry,
some problem this end non bt headset bubble when you are using the bluetooth headset.
When you make a call it does not connect automatically to the headset you have to press the button on the headset.
Sometime it connects sometimes it does not need more improvement in the latest version.
Regards
Gigi
After installing the new version i got the following problem.
When i am dialing using the phone itself with bluetooth off the
BT turns on and the bluelight is bliking and it turns off after 60sec.
This drains the battery quicker than before
gigino said:
Hey Superperry,
some problem this end non bt headset bubble when you are using the bluetooth headset.
When you make a call it does not connect automatically to the headset you have to press the button on the headset.
Sometime it connects sometimes it does not need more improvement in the latest version.
Regards
Gigi
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Gigi,
Thanks for the input. Atleast now I know not only me having those problem.
And Yes, it still need some improvement on this latest version.
power drain and another weird problem
Yeah .... I've had the pwerdrain problem. Was fishing and even though I'd switched the device off, each time I checked it it had drastically lost juice. Was worried it was going to go completely flat before I got home. .... and I didn't make or receive a single call.
Also had another wierd problem - sometimes after switching unit off. it wouldn't switch on again until I did a soft reset.
Power drain..seems afflict me too,but I don't use any BtTools and take BT off..!
I charge my XDA2 twice a day..hmm..this lets me think that it is a application conflict!
Also seems my xda runs very slow..
and I have noticed when i connect my xda with active sync it sometimes doesnt sync but still waiting: Connecting (for ever) and uses 90% of my cpu,amazing!
Now will try to find the prob.
I also experienced power leak from my I-Mate. It ran out in half of the day even I was trying to charge it via USB. I had to uninstall app after loosing bunch of my business call this day
blue tooth toolkit causing serious problems (I think)
OK several days of using it, this is what I think is happening.
1. Without BTTK power drain on XDA2 very acceptable. With BT switched on permanently then drains about twice as quickly but still acceptable.
2. With BTTK installed and in BT timer mode, then drain is very good ie as per not having BT switched on at all. UNTIL Blue tooth is fist used for either an incoming or outgoing call. After that - even if it's theortically in the sleep mode - the drain is disastrous - lost 70% of the juice overnight with everything switched off.
3. If battery charge is below about 45 to 50% then powering off and on again by the on/off button doesn't work. After a power-off I have to do a soft reset.
...... of course mine might be a sepcial case, and BTTK might be interacting with something else, but it looks like I'll have to go the ROM upgrade route.
Mike
what sorta battery life do you guys get? Mine's about 3-4 hours (less if i use BT and WLAN!)
admitedly i didnt leave it charging for the full 18 odd hours 1st time round, so i bought another battery (needed a spare anyway) and made sure it was charged up 100% correctly...
its giving me exactly the same battlife!
obviously turning it off/standby itll last ages, but its crap when using the PDA!
am i doing something wrong?
join the club (no pun intended)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=22468
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=23865
3-4 hours is especially bad though.. mine will last a day or maybe a day and a half depending on use, but no where near as good as my old xda II
i got 2 hours out of it yesterday night...
i turned on bluetooth and wifi, and watched it die (just left it on the desk n pressed the screen every now and then)
now surely 2 hours cant be right? i'm having to leave it plugged into the pc all day at work AND carry a spare battery!
Mine seems just OK. I took it off the charger last night at around 10pm and by 5.30 this afternoon the battery was down to 59%. That's with several calls made -no wifi - about 30 mins GPRS browsing - but BT was on all the time.
I'm switching BT off until I need it, and seeing if that makes any difference.
Kevin
jim galbally said:
i got 2 hours out of it yesterday night...
i turned on bluetooth and wifi, and watched it die (just left it on the desk n pressed the screen every now and then)
now surely 2 hours cant be right? i'm having to leave it plugged into the pc all day at work AND carry a spare battery!
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Wifi will suck the life out of it, Jim. Have you been through all the usual suspects like beaming etc?
Kevin
wow jim thats really bad.. have you tried discharching it completely, then leaving it on the charger for about 12 hours, and doing that a couple of times? sometimes that improves battery life.
i think i might try the worst case scenario you did and see how long mine lasts
kevin.. that sounds half decent.. especially with BT on the whole time. sounds like you're one of the lucky ones
Battery
I am the sort to cover all bases so please do not get me wrong.
Bro have you configured your Xda IIi backlight and power to go on standby mode yet?
jim galbally said:
i got 2 hours out of it yesterday night...
i turned on bluetooth and wifi, and watched it die (just left it on the desk n pressed the screen every now and then)
now surely 2 hours cant be right? i'm having to leave it plugged into the pc all day at work AND carry a spare battery!
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tried it with mine, had bluetooth on (not connected to anything tho), wifi on (not connected to anything, but it was finding wireless networks every 10 secs or so and kept popping up that do you want to connect bubble), recieve incoming beams was ticked, gprs was connected and it was getting used a couple times each hour to sync my email, and i probably received about 4 phone calls and made one or two. my cpu was set to standard (not turbo)
mine lasted for 4 hours at this rate, so a fair bit better than yours.. unless you were actually using bluetooth and/or wireless
its now as low as hours!!!!
even with every power saving thing on possible, i can only push it to 3!!!!
o2 will swap my phone over, will do this on monday/tuesday (just gonna pop into shop) but it means getting the new one unlocked again... grr
wow thats pretty horrible. good luck with the next one
just upgraded to the imate rom (which is always clever before taking somthing back to the shop )
its now giving me 4 hours instead of 2... so it's gone up
i dont think my himalaya last much longer unless i let it go into standby
and lower the brigthness when using batt
4 hrs is not normal either, usually my 2i can last for 8 hrs (not counting stand by of course). yesterday it suddently ran out of battery within 5 hrs and really had me worried for a while. Than I found out it was because I adjusted the backlight brightness to very high. It seems the LCD backlight has a major effort of consuming battery power.
Tricks summed up from other topics:
* Darken your On Barrery backlight brightness (Start-Settings-System-Backlight-Brightness)
* Shorten your On battery backlight remain time (Start-Settings-System-Backlight-Battery Power)
* Set your CPU mode to standard (Start-Settings-System-Power-Processor)
* Close incoming beam monitoring (Start-Settings-Connections-Beam)
* Try you best not to connect any network (Bluetooth, GPRS, WLAN...) :?
* Put less item on your today screen
* Some software has update or refresh service running on background, try to increase their interval:
[list:8501145cfd]- OmegaOne BatteryPack has a default setting of 30 sec update interval, and a network activity monitor. All can be disabled in today item's options.
- Marsware WeatherPanel has a default setting of 30 min update interval
- All alike stuff you can think of ...
* Applications remain in memory when you click "X", shut them down if not using anymore. (Start-Setting-System-Memory-Running Programs)
- Some apps have convenience tool to do this, such as OmegaOne BatteryPack, or O2Plus.
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There is a fix due next week, i currently have the beta firmware installed and its increased my battery life by 3 fold.
Wait for the next firmware and all will be sorted
yes!
i hope imate upgrades too
Noodleman said:
There is a fix due next week, i currently have the beta firmware installed and its increased my battery life by 3 fold.
Wait for the next firmware and all will be sorted
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Whereabouts are you, Noodleman? O2 Asia (where I am) is renowned for being the last with things.
rom upgrade! where?!
where can I find a rom update for my XDA?! it doesn't have a specific carrier.... I bought it with english software.
I do not find battery with a better autonomy for the 2020i! Does it exist?
like 1800 mAh or 2000 mAh !!!
Up ...
No idea ??? :?
kevinnugent said:
Noodleman said:
There is a fix due next week, i currently have the beta firmware installed and its increased my battery life by 3 fold.
Wait for the next firmware and all will be sorted
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Whereabouts are you, Noodleman? O2 Asia (where I am) is renowned for being the last with things.
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I believe this is O2 Europe - if it's the same beta I'm using.
Works well too.
I've read a few posts on HTC Wizard battery life and I'm trying to quantify what I'm seeing (which is hard given varying conditions under which the device can be used and what features are active but I'll attempt that here). I'd really like to hear what other pepole are experiencing under similar conditoins.
I’m getting about two days worth of battery life before the unit is warning that the device needs to be recharged. Here’s what I’ve done with it over the past 2 days:
· 47 minutes time spent using the phone. I get the full 4 signal bars just about everywhere I go, including and the office and at home. I have not used the speakerphone at all.
· About 1 hour of PDA use
· Bluetooth and WiFi have been off. There was no GPRS use during this time.
· The screen brightness is set to the lowest level possible, one setting above the backlight being completely off.
· When on battery power, the backlight automatically shuts itself off after 30 seconds and the device turns itself off completely after one minute.
· I’m running Windows Mobile 5.0
The battery currently reads 18% after 2 days.
Is this in line with what other people are seeing?
I used to drain my wizard to about 50-60% in one day (from morning to evening), when I still let it go to standby, so that seems about right. It goes down a bit faster now because I always leave it on (just let the backlight go off of course) so agile messenger will stay online...
I'm pretty sure this battery life is pretty good for a pda phone though, you can't compare this to a regular phone.
I always connect it to the charger at night so it's no problem for me, and I bring a very small usb cable (like 15 cm) when I don't sleep at home. Usually there's an opportunity to connect the wizard to a computer somewhere so it'll charge, the computer doesn't need to recognize the wizard for that.
I need to charge my Wizard evry night, if it's friday with party etc alot of calls i need to have my samsung d600 with me becuase the qtek goes empty around 23.oo :/
Just done a typical "intensive" day, and I'm really pleased of that thing. Here's what I've done:
~50 min on the phone
~2h30 MP3 playing with TCPMP, LCD off of course
~30min e-mail and internet through wireless
obviously a bit more PDA use, cause uptime meter says 4h39 :wink:
I still have 54% battery at the moment.
Useful to mention, forgot to turn off wireless after browsing, so it stayed on for like 1hr with device off, and that still drains juice.
Backlight is set at the middle.
Once again, my BA would be dead by now. I had ~4h PDA use at standard clock settings, 2hr with wireless on. The Wizard just doubles both these figures. I definitely understand why they've dropped that guzzling XScale... wish there could be an optimised version of TCPMP soon though, video playback is the only thing where i see a real difference in speed, haven't managed to have a video playing smooth without hangups yet.
Skype doesn't run well, but it didn't either with the BA without overclocking it at the maximum it would hold, giving a stunning 1h30 battery life (with wireless on obviously). The device was really hot while doing this, and the standard charger would not give enough current even to power the device, battery was still going down when connected. Had to use a 2A Axim adapter to charge while skyping :shock:
So definitively a GREAT improvement.
I used my MDA Vario the other day and it went down to 18% in approx 4 1/2 hours.
Screen was at max brightness and on for the whole time,
Tom Tom running.
Bluetooth on
About what I'd expect. I don't think my Treo 650 would be much better in similar circumstances.
I just updated the other thread about the battery that up till now its been fine but two days ago the dreaded issue started with me too
I've just lost 20% in 3 hours without doing anything (its been off since)
AKU2 rom gives a definite improvement, I can have 85% left after a day of normal use.
meschle said:
AKU2 rom gives a definite improvement, I can have 85% left after a day of normal use.
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Which AKU2 rom. T mobile hasn't released one for my phone yet, to my knowledge.
The qtek rom, many vario users are using this rom out of frustration for t-mobile not releasing theirs.
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The qtek rom, many vario users are using this rom out of frustration for t-mobile not releasing theirs.
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Thanks
Hey if you upgrade the ROM you should run some tests before installing any applications. It would be a definite advantage to make sure it's not some buggy app that's causing your battery drain.
agreed... I think that is my issue too that it could be a memory leak somewhere in one of the programs
can only put it down to registrywizard, uptime, or resco, the latter i doubt very much though
I upgraded my vario to the newest imate rom and would totally recommend doing so.. my battery life is about double what it used to be now (may have installed something dodgy that was draining it though)
Its also much faster in operation and seems to be a lot more stable too (I suffered a lot from the random reboot problem previously)
what did you upgrade from?
and what rom version are you running? the ones on the ftp for kjam are numbered a bit strange and can be confusing
The numbers are confusing for me as a noob to WM5/wizard.
What is the difference between the Qtek & the Imate roms?
kilrah said:
... Useful to mention, forgot to turn off wireless after browsing, so it stayed on for like 1hr with device off, and that still drains juice.
Backlight is set at the middle. ...
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WiFi doesn't drain battery when the device is turned off, cause the WiFi module will also be turned off automatically - just test it: leave WiFi on and press the power button - after a few hours look at the effect on the battery... :wink:
I usually recharge my Vario every 3-4 days. Although I don't use WiFi and I also don't make many long calls I usually use GPRS always on to receive my mails. I also use BT quite often to listen to music over my A2DP headset - maybe one hour per day on average...
So there must be something wrong with the devices of some of the people posting here... :!:
Hi all,
Does anyone else experience serious battery problems.
My 9000 has push mail enabled from 8 in the morning till 8 in the evening. Infrared is disabled, screen brightness down to 2 noches.
At 12 o'clock i'm down to 30 % and at 2 o'clock i'm out of juice.
Rom I have on it is Qtek 1.30.77 WWE Protocol Version 42.42.P8 Ext ROM 1.30.176.
Anyone have any clue ?
Thanks
Its 3:00, I've had my MDA pro off charge since about 8:15 this morning and batery level is at 66% after about 45mins calling (about 35 mins of that on bluetooth headset), checking for new email every halfhour, playing a few games of solitare and looking at a couple of websites. Should last me until bedtime. The trick is to turn off stuff you're not using, and if you're not looking at the screen it doesn't need to be open and on. I have wifi and bluetooth disabled for now, and have set my network band selection to GPRS which is fine for email and not very graphics intensive websites (besides which tmobile don't have great 3G coverage in Norther Ireland at the moment).
What do you mean by open and on ?
You mean close the lid and turn it around so you don't see the screen ?
I noticed everytime it syncs , the screen turns on. Is this normal ?
Does anyone else have any ideas ?
no, he means press the Power button on the bottom to turn the screen off if ur not looking at it.
I have Blackberry on mine, I took it off charge at around 6 the other day, come lunchtime it was moaning that it was about to die. The battery is pretty useless for anything other than Average PDA use to be honest..
I tried to get an extender off ebay, it didnt work properly, I also bought a second battery off ebay, that didnt work either so if anyones tried an external rechargeable battery that provides power constantly then I'd be interested.