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BT M$ Stack activates screen, no screen turn-off

when i have a program running that pairs with my Bluetooth GPS mouse it is impossible to turn of the screen with the power button. It turns back on when new data arrives.
Is there a workaround for this, for example programming a button to shut down the screen in some other way ?
please help as i desperatedly need the screen off to have a longer lasting battery power.
thanks

well as far as I know... if u turn the power off ... the bluetooth radio will stop...
that's why the screen activates itself...
any way.. if u don't want ur battery to drain power.. u can hold the power button for 2-3 sec.. and the light will be off... thus u can have more battery power.. and u can use ur GPS mouse... for longer time
and whenever u want the light back... repeat the previous procedure
I hope I could Help
Cheers
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thanks for the info of course a good idea. However disabling the screen with the Widcomm Stack is possible. Why isnt that possible with the MS Stack ?

[quote="However disabling the screen with the Widcomm Stack is possible. Why isn't that possible with the MS Stack ?[/quote]
because MS bluetooth stack suck... that's why :evil:
the guys at Microsoft, don't even bother improving their stack at all...
Hopefully... we may see a working widdcom stack on the jam...

so theres no workaround ? no coding that would allow ?

As far as I know...there is nothing like that....
the main problem lies with the MS Bluetooth stack....
It is impossible for the time being to enable bluetooth radio while the the screen is off....
anyway... I came up with this idea :idea: ... but I haven't tried it.. u may try...
use any third party program that turns the screen off... ( Like Audio recorder or Media Played 10 or anything like that... ) ...
first turn the bluetooth on... then turn the screen off using the program...
It might work.... I hope
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i did. I tried Mortsaver a really sophisticated Screen-OFF program. I asked for the feature in my desperate situation to be able to disable screen while BT on.
Resco audio recorder is also turned back on..

I guess .. u have to stick with the power button trick until we get a working Widdcom stack on the mini
cheers

what is the problem with widcomm and the mini ?

drpiety said:
when i have a program running that pairs with my Bluetooth GPS mouse it is impossible to turn of the screen with the power button. It turns back on when new data arrives.
Is there a workaround for this, for example programming a button to shut down the screen in some other way ?
please help as i desperatedly need the screen off to have a longer lasting battery power.
thanks
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The same problem here. It's not a metter of saveing energy, rather if you have your ppc in a pocket, when the screen turn on touchscreen becomes active too, and could start some aplication by foult.

1. the widcomm stack does not work on the mini... until now...
2. if u fear to run some applications accidentally.. u can start a new note.. then turn the light off....
in this way, u won't run any application except for the note..( it is nearly impossible to tap start, then start any program while ur PPC in ur pocket )

asci said:
The same problem here. It's not a metter of saveing energy, rather if you have your ppc in a pocket, when the screen turn on touchscreen becomes active too, and could start some aplication by foult.
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yeah i just didnt mention it, thats anoying too. Just curious what application are you using the GPS with ?
@duke 911 thats a great idea again and is a working workaround. I just use mobile golf scorer with GPS. Now imagine me being on a golfcourse and tapping to start an app every time i play a ball.
this m$ stack is horrible and is like most M$ apps. It just works, nothing more.

yeah i just didnt mention it, thats anoying too. Just curious what application are you using the GPS with ?
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TomTom
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doing some research other PDAs also have the "driver memory" problem on with the Widcomm 1.4.1 they say 1.3.1 worked without problems. Can someone look on his Harddrive if he still has that version ? I would trade M$ stack for an older widcomm any time..

is there any chance that in the near future there is widcomm installable or some other method making BT on the magician usable ?

Slow answering incomming calls

hello! i've searched but didnt find any help with my problem. When my jasjar rings (incomming call) and after i press the answer button (the green one) i need to wait about 1 to 2 seconds before i can hear the person that is calling me...strange...did this ever happen to you? how can i solve this problem? Thanks in Advance

Yes, i have the same problem on my MDA Pro
After pressing the green button, i have to wait 3 secounds with speaking.

I had the same problem and now is solved.
In phone/options/band select WCDMA (not automatic)

i think that didnt solve the problem...sorry...thanks

I have the same probelm on the incoming call. However, i finally realized that it's the problem on the Pocket Plus V3.0.4 installed on the system.
It appear to be normal once i removed the program.
It's the case for me, and i hope it would help you as well

I too have this problem with my I-Mate Jasjar. I need to wait for a few seconds after hitting the answer button before I can hear the calling party. I did a hard reset and installed the latest wwe ROM available on clubimate site. The problem still persists even without any third party software installed. So I do not blame pocketplus for this problem. I think this is a software/hardware issue which should be addressed in a ROM upgrade.

I have the same problem with my JasJar. I have also updated to the lates ROM from clubImate by advice from clubImate support.
Sometimes the phone does not even answer the call at all when pressing the green button. This is becoming an even more expensive phone since I have to call back so many people on account of missed calls
Seriously, It cannot be right that a problem like this exists on a phone in this price range. ClubImate support even said they had never heard of this problem before.

i did a few hard resets and the problem persists without any extra software installed. "Very bad bug". i've already test a K-jam and it works beautifull...i'm sad

Got my XDA Exec today. It's pretty good but is not the same as my XDA2. Even less phone. More PDA...
If I turn my machine off in landscape mode and then close the lid with the screen out (like the XDA2) then when a call arrives it takes ages to answer because the screen has to rotate first to portrait mode.
If I turn off and close in laptop mode (landscape) then it rings immediately and I can answer it immediately using the hinge buttons.
Maybe it is the same for you?

i have noticed it seems to be quicker to goto portrait than to landscape in all respects of use

ok, lets try it...thanks

how i test it: jasjar "on" charging, open in portait mode. same delay.

L to P is roughly twice as long for me.
going to L i get twist and flip and the display is done ready and waiting
going to P i get twist and flip then get a 2s ish of L before it flips to P
this was battery power
*** its the same on mains and battery !

Carnivor said:
L to P is roughly twice as long for me.
going to L i get twist and flip and the display is done ready and waiting
going to P i get twist and flip then get a 2s ish of L before it flips to P
this was battery power
*** its the same on mains and battery !
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When my Exec is on, the rotation is pretty much instant. I have no apps running. It's only when a phone call wakes it up that the rotation is slooooow.

My Qtek 9100 also take app. 5 sec before it rings, and the S100 I had before was the same. My dad has an XDA mini, same problem. It seems like pocket plus will increase the problem, but even without any extra software its not working perfect. Its strange after such long time, they havent been able to solve simple problems like theese.

I also get this, Its very annying. Maybe they incorperated it so you can answer the call asap and the before it acually picks up, you have a few seconds to turn the screen round and see whos calling ect?

I have an Exec and there is certainly a knack to answering a call on it, but i'm getting better!!!
Firstly the voicemail seems to kick in way too early, i only get 4 rings of the 'ring' ringtone max before the VM kicks in, sometimes i think it is less, but i may just be going deaf! does anyone else find this a problem?(not deafness)
As i usually have the exec closed in my pocket, this is how i answer a call.
1, Hear the first ring, if i don't it's too late already!
2, Drop everything, and remove phone(ha!) from case and open into laptop mode only. If i rotate all the way into PDA mode the screen takes too long to change and the call goes to VM before i can see who it is.
3, Answer call after seeing who it is
4, Rotate or close screen and put to my ear and wait 2 seconds to speak.
It's a real pain in the arse and very annoying.
Great forum btw, it's been very helpful, i knew bugger all about PDAs three weeks ago.
Ian

Which button(s) do you have success with?
The small green on the side,
the green above the other keys on the keyboard,
the soft key button,
or touching the screen?

ipanter said:
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Firstly the voicemail seems to kick in way too early, i only get 4 rings of the 'ring' ringtone max before the VM kicks in, sometimes i think it is less, but i may just be going deaf! does anyone else find this a problem?(not deafness)
...Ian
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If you're using the Exec on o2, you can adjust the cut-in delay at the o2 end. You do so by keying in/sending the following to o2:
**61*901*11*xx# [send]
(where xx is number of seconds, e.g. 30.)
Note: I think the maximum delay allowed is about 30-secs - at least I've never got it to extend longer than that!
I have found that o2 occasionally reset mine back to about 10-secs, so have it programmed into a contact number.
HTH

I've found something interesting.
I tried to swap two sim cards.
<boring>
The one originally in my phone was a sim card from Orange Denmark (where I live). Orange has since been bought by Telia, and this same sim card is now using Telias network. This is by design. It gives my the roaming symbol all the time since the buy-over.
To say the least, some things have been very ****ty in this process, so I thougt that I might try another sim card.
</boring>
I had another one from TDC (another danish operator), and bang! My Universal (Jasjar) answers instantly - every time - on all the buttons!
Could some of you who have this problem as well, please confirm this? Please tell what kind of sim card (and country) you are networking through, and try another one.

can't enable wifi at all and other flakiness - 8125

Okay so I think I know at least A solution but I'm hoping that someone here will be able to suggest something besides a hard reset.
I've got a Cingular 8125 a couple of weeks ago. Flashed it to the latest imate rom. I kept it from installing the custom imate stuff but did install some of the Cingular cabs.
Now I'm having a few problems with the phone. It's quite a list.
A) I can't enable wifi at all. At one point I could but the phone locked up on me while I was trying to resetup my connection. I had no choice but to soft reset it. Now I can't enable wifi at all. If I click on it in the comm manager to turn it on it will sit there with the spinning wheel like it's enabling then go back to the same icon with the x on it. I've tried turning flight mode on and off, etc but nothing seems to help it.
B) the phone HAS been locking up. It will just sort of freeze and stop responding. Sometimes I'm able to get to the memory settings in control panel and still have available memory (it's usually been around 16 MB of program memory when this has occured) but even so closing everything will often not help. Even if it unfreezes then it will usually do so not much later and often it just won't unfreeze.
C) sometimes I can't close out the phone application. This seems to happen when Magic Button is running. I click to close it and it goes from the phone to my call history. Closing that goes back to the phone again. I can't get to the Today screen. Pressing the red hangup button would sometimes fix it but usually not.
D) voice command is REALLY wonky using my BT headset (Scala 500). Okay, I know it doesn't officially work with BT headsets and I could live with that. But why does it have to be so damned random?
1) Sometimes pressing the button once will get me the chime. Usually it just gets me a lower pitched tone. If the first press doesn't get it then typically a second within a short time will. Sometimes it takes three though.
2) At one point the phone would usually play my selected ringtone and announce the incoming call over the headset. Other times I would only get the default incoming call sound on the headset and the phone and voice command announcement are over the phone speakers instead. In the last couple of days I've ONLY been getting them from the phone.
3) While typically when I'm using the headset with voice command the feedback DOES come over the headset, sometimes it gives me the confirmations from the phone instead
I think there were a few other flaky issues too but this is the majority of them. Also many of them were present before the rom upgrade so I don't think it's responsible for most of it.
edit: oh, one other thing is that after the ROM upgrade I can't get the default input to stay on anything but keyboard. Even if I change it, I turn around and it's back to keyboard again. I'm thinking, though, that there's a reghack for this?

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===A) I can't enable wifi at all. At one point I could but the phone locked up on me while I was trying to resetup my connection. I had no choice but to soft reset it. Now I can't enable wifi at all. If I click on it in the comm manager to turn it on it will sit there with the spinning wheel like it's enabling then go back to the same icon with the x on it. I've tried turning flight mode on and off, etc but nothing seems to help it.==
I have the same problem with you. Can anybody help?

any solutions i have the same problem

Try this: back up your PIM, then flash phone back to OEM ROM (cingular, t-mobile, whatever it is for your model). Then unlock it again (if needed), and flash the ROM again. If it's still garbage, try reading the thread for the ROM you loaded (chances are you're not the first to experience this problem, and the other testers of that ROM may offer solutions). If it's still garbage after all that, consider using a different ROM altogether. CRacing's CR86 Touch HD and SVI's ANGEL are both quite nice, and VERY reliable for functionality.

Power management problems/disillusions

I have my P3600 since Saturday and I updated it with the latest ROM which included the GPS.
Now I’m having problems with the power settings and functionality. I search all the threads for solutions but no similar problems are described so I post a new thread.
Problem 1:
The power settings are: backlight off after 30 sec. power off after 1 min. (on battery power). After 30 sec. the backlight dims to the lowest setting but the device does not switch off after 1 min (or any time for that matter). This is a huge drain on the battery! I can switch off the device with the power button but once it turns on again (e.g. while receiving an SMS or email) it stays on with the dimmed backlight.
Problem 2:
Using a Bluetooth headset and the media player the player pauses when switched of with the power button. This means just listening to music for around an hour and the battery is completely flat. My previous device was a S200 and that worked fine (could be switched off with the power button).
My guess is that both problems may have simple solutions so I’m asking you all to help me with this.
Thanks in advance,
Stefan

niobium said:
I have my P3600 since Saturday and I updated it with the latest ROM which included the GPS.
Now I’m having problems with the power settings and functionality. I search all the threads for solutions but no similar problems are described so I post a new thread.
Problem 2:
Using a Bluetooth headset and the media player the player pauses when switched of with the power button. This means just listening to music for around an hour and the battery is completely flat. My previous device was a S200 and that worked fine (could be switched off with the power button).
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Well for problem 2 you haven't searched enough! Anyway you should not use the power button; go to the Windows Media player settings and map the "Toggle screen" function to a hardware button. Then toggle the screen off when you play music.
Regarding your other problem: what software have you installed? Have you got this problem on a freshly upgraded phone?

The solution you propose for problem 2 probably works for other devices but not for the Trinity. You can only assign buttons up, down, left, right and enter and they are needed within the player for obvious functions.
Problem 1 after fresh ROM update but right after that I installed TomTom 6.
I might try a new ROM update and check but rather as last resort...

niobium said:
The solution you propose for problem 2 probably works for other devices but not for the Trinity. You can only assign buttons up, down, left, right and enter and they are needed within the player for obvious functions.
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It works for the Trinity too. You can also assign other functions to buttons if you keep them pressed. Toggle screen is assigned to "Hold Down" in my case. So if I press down once I decrease the volume, if I keep pressed I toggle the screen.

As to your first problem; i'm having the same problem too...
To narrow it down a bit; my device turns off (to standby) just like it should when i just briefly check the time or something and then put it away with the todayscreen on (so with no aplications running except some today-plugins ofcourse). However; it DOESN'T go back to sleep when the system has given any sort of notification, like a missed call or a received text-message or reminder for a calendar-item.
So my best guess is that it has something to do with the databases notification que (where WM2003/CE 4 had the problem of overflowing this notification que).
It's really anonying the hell out of me too, cause it really drains the battery fast if you don't discover it soon enough...
As for problem 2; map the screen-toggle to pressing the silver 'enter'button.....that workd great for me. By the way; i'm tinking about getting the new wired media remote control HTC is releasing shortly (check this link). I wonder if these buttons will be mappable.....
Edit: just as i posted this, i received a text message and this time it nicely turned back to standby (ie turned of) state when i didn't check it right away. I did however soft-reset last night before going to sleep. So i really do think it must be in the notification que somewhere, as PocketPlus will still clear that everytime i soft reset. Anyone having the same problem exactly as described ?

Well I found my phone again on after I received an SMS and this made me decide to completely reinstall the original ROM (including the GPS).
Step by step I installed all the applications (and tested the device in between: I started some programs and got some notification).
So far the result is that it all works fine now.
The difference might be the different ROM (from smartmobility.nl in stead of europe.htc.com although the version is exactly the same).
For problem 2: I unmapped the button 1 (was speed dial and moved that one to press&hold). In media player I mapped the button to ‘toggle screen’. I still like the S200 for this better because it only kept the media player & Bluetooth alive so that’s the best for preserving the battery…

niobium said:
For problem 2: I unmapped the button 1 (was speed dial and moved that one to press&hold). In media player I mapped the button to ‘toggle screen’. I still like the S200 for this better because it only kept the media player & Bluetooth alive so that’s the best for preserving the battery…
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Hmmmm....i do the screen-toggle everytime i use it as a musicplayer, and i get considerable good batterylife....
However, i'm not using the BT headset anymore cause the volume was too dim...i'm using the 3,5mm adapterplug now. But batterylife with bluetooth was about the same when i used it.

After all the work yesterday, this morning the problem with not going to standby occured again!
But now I know more. It happened only after I added some sites to my RSS feedreader.
I use pRSSreader from David Andrs (http://pda.jasnapaka.com/prssr/)
Using the 'update settings' with 'automatically connect' the program tries to create a notification on the today screen if new messages arive.
This notification process is the problem. If I switch it of and soft-reset, the device works fine again.
I will mention this problem to David Andrs...
I hope this will help you as well.

BlueTooth - Mogul not waking from Standby Mode

I recently got a Sprint Mogul as a company phone. I was able to successfully pair my phone with Jabra JX10 bluetooth, however, I noticed that whenever I try to wake it from standby mode, it does not like to wake. I could see the lights blinking (both Blue & Green), hear my calender appointments alarm setting off but I just cant see the screen.
Anybody with similar issue? Any luck in fixing this? Am I missing something?
Oh yea! I got HTC home plugin & customizer. Hope this did not break something.
P.S: I did search for similar problems in this forum, couldn't find any matching result.