I read somewhere (but cant find the post now) that its suggested if the XDAII is in the cradle and connected to the PC via the USB cable, that you don't need the A/C power connected from the mains.
Is this correct, will the USB supply plenty power for charging?
Power consumption seems high, got xda today, charged for 3 hours then started to play. Was at 100%, but after 20 mins, it had already dropped to 85%. Maybe thats normal
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Battery life initially is not very good, but it improves over time. The consumption you describe is high, but not much higher than normal. It will improve slightly, I think, depending on what you're doing in those 20 minutes. :wink: After a day or so of moderate use (some calls, some screen-on, occasionally Bluetooth) my battery usually sits at around 60%.
You're right about the USB question. Mine charges just fine from the USB cradle without the external power cord connected. It's a good idea to keep the cradle plugged into the PC directly and not through a non-powered hub to ensure that there's enough juice for the XDA2.
The XDA2 charges much more quickly if the screen is off when you're charging, and slightly quicker from the power cord than the cradle.
Lovely Jubly, charging without the need for an extra mains wall socket!. Works fine off the USB. Could always take the mains charger into work now and use it there.
I am on the road a lot and don't want to be carrying the HTC charger with me. For my Treo, I had a foldable USB AC adapter (.8A and 5V) to which I plugged in a Sync and Charge cable and it did just fine.
After reading all the comments about there being two ways to charge a Tilt - fast and slow, I decided to test out a retractable USB data cable with my USB AC brick. I set the option in Power to "Not charge the battery when connected to the PC." and plugged it in. Nothing. I then unticked the box and sure enough, it started to charge. As I was at 70% of the charge, I expected this to drag on, but it didn't. It took about 1 hour and was fully charged.
I'm still a bit worried about charging this way - the description of the Lil Sync cable for the Tilt says that while it might work, under certain circumstances it won't if your battery is below 30% of a charge. Has anyone seen this happen? The last thing I want is to go away for a few days and be stuck with a dead batttery.
Do I need to pick up a special cable from ppctechs or boxwave just to charge? Should I just carry the supplied charger?
I always charge my kaiser just using the sync cable and it works fine even from a flat battery. there seems to be absolutely no need to carry an AC adapter around when you can just connect it to a computer to charge.
Thanks Spooki. Just curious - how long does a charge usually take when you charge against a computer's USB?
it seems to take roughly twice as long as a wall charger but i work with PC's all day so doesn't really bother me, much easier than carrying a charger around.
the first battery charge on the HD is supposed to be a 8 or 10 or 12 hour charge? or on its not necesary
also the time used to charge it to the pc via usb cable is same as if ud plug it in the electric socket?
how long dose it take for u to charge ur phone.....
mine had 4 lines out of 10 and after 3 hours of it beeing conected to my pc and not in use its still got 4 lines....
opinions seem to vary on how long for 1st charge - personally I left mine on (mains) overnight, but that's just because I've had mobiles since year dot, and you used to have to!
But charging via PC doesn't seem to work as well as from the mains charger - depends a lot on the PC and how much juice it kicks out, some are a lot better than others.
Modern phones/batteries do not need "overnight" charging. My Touch HD even came with a little note saying you don't need to charge for 16hrs/overnight. Just charge until it's full...
Better to charge with wall socket because not all USB ports provide enough current. Some can't charge through the USB port while some can.
I can charge through my notebook but it takes a lot longer than the wall socket.
thanks bouth of u for the fast anwsers....
When I set WiFi settings to max performance, my HTC HD will not charge at all, actually it will loose charge during night, display is off, just WiFi, GSM and GPS is active, connected to provided wall charger. Back side of phone is really hot, I measured over 54°C
Problems charging.
guys(and lady's) Just got my HD. been running it for some time to drain the battery, while on my laptop the battery starts charging. I wanted to drain the battery to give it a good charge afterwords so I turnd off the option of charging while unit is active( in batt. menu) but When I got to 5% batt.cap. an tried to charge the unit (batt. option enabled again) it doesn't charge. now my batt. is empty and can't get in the phone. while on power my battery charging led gives a couple of seconds of charge indication then it turns off.
Any suggestions or is my battery dead. (charging unit is oke, and when on power the HD does give sufficient power to the battery (measured with mulitmeter) thx guys edit - Als when on power green and amber lights blink.
Could that be that your battery is too hot ? There is some safety protection that prevent the batyery to charge when it is over a temperature level.
battery not charging properly
My touch hd not charge the battery more then 50% i change the battery but same as before.
any suggestion
Regards
funstuffalex said:
also the time used to charge it to the pc via usb cable is same as if id plug it in the electric socket?
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Power socket gives about 1amp - USB 500mA (.5 amp)
Touch HD Battery Charging Problem
The rom i am using is Energy 3 Rom
and try to use both sources wall socket and pc usb both are same.
if i charge the battery on usb cradle and put the phone it shoes 100% but after some use of the phone the charging start again and never show's full even left it over night.
Best regards
Not sure what's going on there,but try draining the battery to almost empty each time and then turn your phone off before charging it. Do this a few times and see if it helps. Mine took about a month beforeit came good.
Dear samlives
Thanks for helping
I will try it
Best Regards
HTC Touch Battery Charging Problem
I got a solution its not 100% but for time being its working for me.
Long press the power button and put the device in sleep mode.
All Done now charging 80 to 90% quite better then before.
Thanks a lot
This morning I almost got a shock because my X1 stayed black and seemed to be totally dead. Luckily I soon figured out that the Battery was empty, no currrent left on it to let the device even blink. But what happened? When I went to bed yesterday I connected it to the USB cable and left it charging! Everything seemed the same as all the times before. What may have caused this?
Only things that were diffrent from my usual charging procedure:
The Cable were connected to the PC USB Slot.
I shut the PC (laptop in this case) down but the USB Slots had still power. The charging lights of my X1 followed their normal pattern.
Normally I unplug the power cable from PC to prevent the USB Slots to have power. Because my USB harddisk keeps rotating while having power from the USB.
Normally I charge the X1 directly from the power outlet. X1 turned off.
So this time PC was off. X1 was off. USB Slots still got power. X1 connected with USB Slot. X1 seemed to charge normally.
Well, the result was that my X1's Battery was totally empty the next morning. Obviously instead of charging the USB slot drained of the whole battery power! But note that the charging lights were active as normal and the Battery was still warm in the morning.
Perhaps this helps others to prevent such issues.
you are crazy if you:
1. charges from laptop
2. from powered OFF device
you can repeat this case endless - xperia will be drained
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This morning I almost got a shock because my X1 stayed black and seemed to be totally dead. Luckily I soon figured out that the Battery was empty, no currrent left on it to let the device even blink. But what happened? When I went to bed yesterday I connected it to the USB cable and left it charging! Everything seemed the same as all the times before. What may have caused this?
Only things that were diffrent from my usual charging procedure:
The Cable were connected to the PC USB Slot.
I shut the PC (laptop in this case) down but the USB Slots had still power. The charging lights of my X1 followed their normal pattern.
Normally I unplug the power cable from PC to prevent the USB Slots to have power. Because my USB harddisk keeps rotating while having power from the USB.
Normally I charge the X1 directly from the power outlet. X1 turned off.
So this time PC was off. X1 was off. USB Slots still got power. X1 connected with USB Slot. X1 seemed to charge normally.
Well, the result was that my X1's Battery was totally empty the next morning. Obviously instead of charging the USB slot drained of the whole battery power! But note that the charging lights were active as normal and the Battery was still warm in the morning.
Perhaps this helps others to prevent such issues.
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Don't charge it in standby mode, how stupid is that?
What? I don't see any reason not to charge it from a laptop. Even if it's powered off, as long as the USB ports have power (mine has a BIOS setting for this) there is nothing wrong with that.
Also, what does it matter if you're charging the phone powered off or powered on?
On an interesting note, however, the same thing actually happened to me last night.
I plugged the phone into the wall socket to charge it (battery was at about 20%) and I actually saw the battery percentage rise as I was still using the phone. I turned it on in the morning (from standby, not powered off), and as soon as I pulled the power cable it went dead as the battery was completely empty.
I have no idea what might have caused this, and it hasn't happened to me before.
Next time dont power off ur X1,
if same happends then your battery is suffed.
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1. charges from laptop
2. from powered OFF device
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1) This was accidently
2) Why? I dont like it when mobile phones are on standby while I'm asleep. Charging the device when powerd off should make absolute no difference? Worked everytime but the one where it was connected to a powered of laptop.
Why will the Xperia been drained?
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Don't charge it in standby mode, how stupid is that?
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Do you mean standby or powered off? Why should it make any difference? And why does the battery getting drained?
Jasand said:
Next time dont power off ur X1,
if same happends then your battery is suffed.
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My Battery is quite healthy. *lucky*
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What? I don't see any reason not to charge it from a laptop. Even if it's powered off, as long as the USB ports have power (mine has a BIOS setting for this) there is nothing wrong with that.
Also, what does it matter if you're charging the phone powered off or powered on?
On an interesting note, however, the same thing actually happened to me last night.
I plugged the phone into the wall socket to charge it (battery was at about 20%) and I actually saw the battery percentage rise as I was still using the phone. I turned it on in the morning (from standby, not powered off), and as soon as I pulled the power cable it went dead as the battery was completely empty.
I have no idea what might have caused this, and it hasn't happened to me before.
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What does this BIOS setting say? I assume that my USB slots had too less power when laptop is off. But its very strange that your Device got drained while connected to the wall socket and in Standby mode. Maybe my USB slots were not the cause? Weird ...
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What does this BIOS setting say? I assume that my USB slots had too less power when laptop is off. But its very strange that your Device got drained while connected to the wall socket and in Standby mode. Maybe my USB slots were not the cause? Weird ...
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It is weird. Since your phone was off I don't think it would use any of its battery power.
I have a ThinkPad, and IIRC the BIOS setting is something like "Always On USB", in the USB settings. With this turned on the laptop will power its USB ports even when turned off, as long as the laptop itself has the power cable connected.
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2) Why? I dont like it when mobile phones are on standby while I'm asleep. Charging the device when powerd off should make absolute no difference? Worked everytime but the one where it was connected to a powered of laptop.
Why will the Xperia been drained?
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from powered off PC, when power on usb enough to wakeup PC or feed LEDs,
but not to charge another device. in that case power go into the weaker side, means from x1 -> pc
I had this problem too... seems after hard resetting my phone one time, one option was different to normal after I hard reset,
Click on the battery icon at the top of the screen
Theres a tick box, that says:
"When device is turned on, do not charge the battery when connected to the PC."
this was ticked for some reason. Unticked it, and all was fine.
Try it
I noticed this happened to me too for the first time, after i put in the wall charger and the the phone seemed to charge, i found it completely dead after 3 hours and the battery was warm, running a vanilla R1A
Battery
Also I think for the X1 to charge- it requires activesync. from my experience, when connected to the pc- without activesync, the X1 would indicate charging- but never actually gets charges. Hence when your notebook is off, activesync obviously wouldn't be running-> no charge either.
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Also I think for the X1 to charge- it requires activesync. from my experience, when connected to the pc- without activesync, the X1 would indicate charging- but never actually gets charges. Hence when your notebook is off, activesync obviously wouldn't be running-> no charge either.
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I assume a turned off PC would only power its USB port power pins and wouldn't respond to any transmissions on the data pins. So to the phone it should look just the same as if it were connected to the wall charger (just probably with a bit less power).
Also, when I have my phone connected to my laptop through USB Internet Sharing it does actually charge (it doesn't connect to ActiveSync when using Internet Sharing).
The device should charge in any USB mode as the USB port's power pins supply power regardless of the protocol used on the data interface.
Does the X1 have no safety feature that does prevent the battery from being drained?
In my case I assumed it happened because of the USB Port had too less power. But when you turn off your PC (+USB power) and let the X1 connected it would still mean a movement of current from the X1 Battery --> inside the PC as long as they are not on the same potential. If the PC is earthed somewhere (for example connected to the wall socket) the Battery would be drained out totally! They never get to the same potential as long the Battery has power.
As jjm34 mentioned, if the PC is on and USB slots powered normally the X1 should charge in any case.
Maybe this is not the real cause of the problem. People are reporting that the X1 got drained while connected to the wall charger! That's really weird. How can the battery being drained by this? Any suggestions @Ethermind ?
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I plugged the phone into the wall socket to charge it (battery was at about 20%) and I actually saw the battery percentage rise as I was still using the phone. I turned it on in the morning (from standby, not powered off), and as soon as I pulled the power cable it went dead as the battery was completely empty
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I noticed this happened to me too for the first time, after i put in the wall charger and the the phone seemed to charge, i found it completely dead after 3 hours and the battery was warm, running a vanilla R1A
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It could be:
It's drawing power FROM your x1 to provide power for laptop internal components.
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Maybe this is not the real cause of the problem. People are reporting that the X1 got drained while connected to the wall charger! That's really weird. How can the battery being drained by this? Any suggestions @Ethermind ?
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Mine has. Put it on the wall charger and the charging symbol is there. It reaches 100%, the charging symbol disappears and it shows 100. Then in the morning it's at 90% even though it was still on the wall charger.
I've not left it plugged into a 'running' pc or laptop long enough to see if the phone runs off the battery after it's reached 100%, but it shows the same symptoms. Charging symbol until 100%, then it changes to 100%, no more charging symbol.
Even MSVC stops reporting '% & charging', just reports the % level once it's reached 100%.
I made 2 observations :
It seems the X1 need usb data pins active to charge the battery. The wall plug has something enabled to give power to the data pins (by the way, the wall plug can charge an iPod or an iPhone, it works perfectly). I tried using a cheap wall plug bought in china, no way to charge the X1 or my iPod as there was no power on the data pins. So when connected to an off PC, I'm not sure what's happening. If someone can give a try to analyze this with a multimeter, that would be nice.
It seems also the X1 stop charging after going to 100 %, and won't charge anymore unless you unplug - replug it.
Thanks for your contribution.
Maybe there exists a real hardware failure.
Normally the X1 should charge until the Battery reaches the 100% level. Then there has to be a switch that prevents the Battery from getting overloaded which is good. So charging stops.
The switch blocks charging until you unplug the device once it has reached the full battery level. Thats ok, too. You should not loose much Battery after a full charge and with a device on standby or powered off. And it prevents the Battery getting reloaded at high percentages. Otherwise it would start charging at 99% and stop again at 100 and so on, all the time.
But now assume the switch has sometimes, somehow a failure.
Instead of preventing current to get inside the battery it enables that current can flow into the wall charger.
I do not expect that the current flows into the power outlet. Maybe it gets "lost" in the current transformer that you've plugged into the power outlet (Thats the one you plugged the USB cable in.). Lost means it simply gets warm / hot.
Measuring the current with a Multimeter would be a nice proof. If someone has the technical knowledge and qualification to disassemble the current transformer and the USB cable, you have the go .
I haven't tested it, but I doubt the current flows back into the charger, or back into the USB port on a laptop / pc.
But how does the Battery discharge then? When there is no current flowing out it will stay loaded. (it goes like d(q)/dt+div(j)=0 )
Did you all charge your phone while it is on (standby)? I noticed the same problem when I charged my x1 while it is standby. When I pull the plug from my laptop (I used my laptop for charging, laptop powered on), I get 90% battery life. It seems like there is a switch to cut out the power input if the battery reaches 100% and power the phone from the battery.
Try to charge your phone while it is off. I did it yesterday, and it had stopped charging even before I unplug it from wall output, and I got 100% battery life.
Btw, this is not confirmed yet... it is just based on my experience...
I went out of town this week and made sure to grab my USB cable, but left the AC adapter at home figuring I'd just charge off my laptop via usb. Apparently not... I also tried plugging the USB cord into my iPhone AC/usb adapter with no luck. The only thing I've found is that when you turn off the Tab and connect to one of these devices, a green battery indicator will pop up showing that it is charging. Well, after about 16 hours, it made it from 15% all the way up to 48%. Does anyone know any way around turning it off to charge or why it is barely charging when it is off?
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I went out of town this week and made sure to grab my USB cable, but left the AC adapter at home figuring I'd just charge off my laptop via usb. Apparently not... I also tried plugging the USB cord into my iPhone AC/usb adapter with no luck. The only thing I've found is that when you turn off the Tab and connect to one of these devices, a green battery indicator will pop up showing that it is charging. Well, after about 16 hours, it made it from 15% all the way up to 48%. Does anyone know any way around turning it off to charge or why it is barely charging when it is off?
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Well seeing as it has a 7000mAh battery, just about any run-of-the-mill USB charger isn't going to cut it. The amperage would have higher as well. Now i would hazard that an iPad charger (10 watts) would probably work just fine vs an iPod charger.
Your laptop's USB port isn't providing enough juice to charge fully. With the screen off it will only trickle charge and very slowly at that.
You'll need at least 5 Volt 2 Amp chargers.
You can also try this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=14890063&postcount=16
Or this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/190522553195?ru...ee-All-Categories&_fvi=1&_rdc=1#ht_3085wt_905
I've ordered both last week but neither have arrived yet. I'll report back.
You need a 5vdc supply that will provide 2A. 10W, not 5w as the previous post said. That adapter on ebay won't help the charge, it just disconnects the data line so it does not change its mode when connected to a computer. There are a lot of power supplies that will work and even more that won't, just made sure it supplies 2a. If you want to charge off your laptop then you will want a Y adapter similar to what is on usb powered hard drives but even then you will need to use 2 usb 2.0 or 3.0 ports and will provably only get 1a out.
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