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ActiveSync and Messaging cause a memory leak or sommat?

Hi guys, I've had a look around, but can't find an answer on what I'm babbling on about, so I thought I'd join and ask outright.
I brought an MDA Vario last week on T Mobile, and having used PDAs since the Psion Organiser feel that I'm fairly competent with the technology.
It seems that when ActiveSync or Messaging have been running for any length of time the device slows down to such a grinding halt that it is barely usable. Is this a common issue, and if so, is there a resolution on the horizon. At present, I see the phone as a major downgrade from my 3 year old Axim X5, and I'm hoping someone can reassure me that I haven't been sold a turkey.
Thanks
PG

I think I have the same problem. When I plug in during the evening for a recharge and sync, the device's green LED flashes like normal, but if I press a button or the screen, it is slowed to a ridiculous and unuseable speed (like minutes to draw a screen such as Programs), and a soft reset is needed.
It does happen on AS connection or during/after syncing; I am using AS 4.1 and a T-mob vario with a selective ext ROM install.
Anyone got any ideas please?
Joe

Glad I'm not imagining it. I found a regitstry hack that gives you application cache that seems to improve it, but I still do at least three reboots a day.

Hi,
I got a QTek9100 2 weeks ago and noticed exaactly the same thing. For the first few days, the device was really fast, but it slowed down days after days.
Even a soft reset doesn't fix this.
I finally fixed that yesterday (hope so) and it's again pretty responsive.
What have I done:
- Removed synchro to Outlook e-mails (I don t use it anyway)
- Emptyied the Outlook e-mail box
- In Activesync: Declared that I was connecting to a Server, changed schedules to "Manually", then removed the server.
Since then, no more ActiveSync starting by itself (it still works perfectly when I connect via USB), no more slowness.
The other IMAP and POP3 mail accounts works well, and the performances are good.
Hope this will help.

Thanks the add/remove serversync tip helped me.
After having tried the direct push my device never had more than about 7 or 8 MB free program memory.
Now I am back on 11 to 12 MB. Still not muchm but better than it was.
I still dont know why i have so little memory available.
I am only running in background:
IIWPO
SmartSkeys
MS Voicecommand
and few extra today plugins:
Wireless
SIM status switcher (Wivit, WM2003 version)
HTCTodayscreen
Cant imaging this (together with the WM5 overhead takes up 32 of the available 45MB program memory!!!
Any extra clues??

Memory Leak + ****ty Battery life + Lockups = Getting tired!

I don't know.. ever since I got my brand new O2 Exec I've been getting less and less productive in work. The machine is indeed cool, but only when it works. I'm early adapter but it's been for the past month or so that I'm working for the machine instead of the machine working for me.
Memory leaks are out of this world. Memory is not freed up many times and I end up easily with 3mb of free ram even if no program is on. The battery life is terrible (to say the least) compared to my good old PDA2K (even with it's over 1yrs old battery! it blasts the Exec memory miles away)
Lately, the amount of lockups I am getting is simply unbearable. machine freezes.. sometimes the left soft button's caption (i.e "phone") graphics is seen like a small white box or something(as if all the letter go over each other) and then machine freezes. Something an alert comes up and then machine freezes. I can't trust the machine for business use, for games yes, but not for business.
Please note I don't have many programs running at all, no wisbar or cosmetic stuff like that., no SPB Plus and stuff like that. Just PocketInformant, PocketBreeze, phoneAlarm all of which are must have for me as well as some utils i relay on. I am wondering maybe my ROM is outdated, but I didn't see an update from O2 yet (I don't want to install NO_ID tool and flush other roms than OS own due to warrenty issues)
I have OS2 Exec with following ver:
ROM version: 1.13.82 WWE
ROM date: 11/30/05
Radio version: 1.04.02
Protocol version: 42.37.P8
ExtROM version: 1.13.188 WWE
Is there any Official update from O2 to any of these ?
Help is very much appreciated. That's before a 10kg hammer is blaster over the machine in an act of anger.. lol
MOBILER

Here are my suggestions:
1st Upgrade to the latest I-Mate Jasjar ROM. It is definitely faster than the shipped ROM from O2 and highly stable.
ROM version: 1.30.76 WWE
ROM date: 02/20/06
Radio version: 1.09.00
Protocol version: 42.42.P8
ExtROM version: Delete and install only what you need.
2nd I use Oxios Memory which has 2 useful applications in it. Oxios Close apps and Oxios Hibernate. I learned about this here in one of the forums. It basically free up a substantial amount of unused memory. Here is a link: http://www.oxios.com/memory/
As far as battery is concerned. I don't have a problem with mine. I keep it plugged in every night to charge playing a lecture DVD while I sleep.
So far O2 has not released an update yet. The last official ROM they released, I believe you are already using it. Let us hope when they do release something it would have the complete Windows Mobile Update support for BT headsets and Push email.

cktlcmd said:
Here are my suggestions:
1st Upgrade to the latest I-Mate Jasjar ROM. It is definitely faster than the shipped ROM from O2 and highly stable.
ROM version: 1.30.76 WWE
ROM date: 02/20/06
Radio version: 1.09.00
Protocol version: 42.42.P8
ExtROM version: Delete and install only what you need.
2nd I use Oxios Memory which has 2 useful applications in it. Oxios Close apps and Oxios Hibernate. I learned about this here in one of the forums. It basically free up a substantial amount of unused memory. Here is a link: http://www.oxios.com/memory/
As far as battery is concerned. I don't have a problem with mine. I keep it plugged in every night to charge playing a lecture DVD while I sleep.
So far O2 has not released an update yet. The last official ROM they released, I believe you are already using it. Let us hope when they do release something it would have the complete Windows Mobile Update support for BT headsets and Push email.
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Thanks man, I highly appreciate your detailed helpful response, but two issues :
1) As I said, I do not want to install the i-mate JJ ROM over the O2 one due to warrenty issues. So I think I would prefer to wait for the official O2 release thought I am starting to loose patience..
2) I also use the MagicButton app on my Exec. It seems very efficient at closing programs and switching tasks with minimal memory footprint. I'll look into the program you mentioned, but I doubt that's the problem. My machine has memory leaks because even when programs are all closed after several hours of use I can get down to 3mb free RAM.
Regards
MOBILER

Do you use the brilliant SBSH Ilauncher as this has very bad memory leaks being looked into at the moment

@mobiler,
we must have twins! I have mentioned similar problems with my Exec to those you discovered and when I reported them here people were unhappy and accused me of not knowing how to use a Exec properly!
You may want to look at the following:
1. Powersave does reduce battery drain but you may a slight delay to being alterted to incoming calls
2. Reformat your SD card if you use data files (eg music, ebooks etc) a lot. I found that MS Reader and Windows Media player were not happy with the use of Powersave - often I would get a systems crash after restarting the device. But after a reformat of the SD card the device was much more stable
3. You can get good quality spare batteries now for the Universal from www.mobilefun.co.uk

I had a few issues with PhoneAlarm, nice piece of software does exactly what I wanted as well, apart from I had some compatability issues.
Slowed the phone down alot and if my memory serves me correctly ( I have a few too many memory leaks of my own going on ) made the phone freeze a couple of times.
Tried the trial version of Pocket Informant ( had it as standard on an IPAQ HX4700 and quite liked it ) but that caused me a few problems.
I now keep things simple, using PocketZenPhone for switching profiles ( very nice and simple solution ). Use the O2 web site to keep track of number of txts sent and phone call allowance.
SPBGPRS monitor for the obvious monitoring of GPRS usage.
Using the standard contacts and calender ( does me ok but not as flexible )
And I have just started messing about with Wisbar, No problems as off yet.
Personally I have found all problems with the phone are linked to software incompatabilities.
I am still in warrenty with O2 but have updated to the latest ROM and radio and if for any reason it has to go back I will try and flash back but my way of thinking is that I should be allowed to change to any ROM image I want in the same way as load any software I want.
Dont know if that is of any help at all, just my views on trying the same software. Regardless of how good they are, they caused problems for me so now I dont use them and everything seems to be running ok.

I know this is anachistic but I am also annoyed by the occasional reboot and have discovered (shock horror) that having as few TSRs running (i.e. none) as possible much reduces this. I used to run magic button and I am convinced that this caused the occasional lockup. These days I only have vbar (2.2) installed and run it at times of need (i.e. I don't run it all the time) as well as using the memory item in the settings to kill programs.
Running the virgin corporate install o2 ROM with no TSRs. Using PIE and Netfront, and the built in outlook, together with a number of games, has meant that my xda is quite reliable. I am hoping that my 'once every 2-3 days reboot' will be gone once the new xda rom comes out :shock:
I can also recommend memmaid to occasionally clear our broken registry settings.
WM5 has been a painfull experience for the PDA manufacturers. If you think we are having a bad time you should read the stuff about the dell axim x50 upgrade on aximsite. I am hoping that WM5.1 will be a free install for universal users as this will make the os more robust.
On an optimistic note the chipset employed by the universal is well used and very reliable in many applications, the construction is robust, so IMHO it all comes down to software/firmware which we hope will improve.

I suppose that is what I was getting at.
Keep it simple.
Whether it is a stability problem with WM5 or just the third party software solutions I dont know.
But when I keep it simple, it works and works well.
I never mentioned battery life earlier, this weekend I went away with a full charge, granted I took another smaller phone with me but I did use it quite heavily ( playing Bejewelled, surfing the net and sending MMS ) and it was always on .
This morning it was on about 40% charged. Not too bad I thought compared to previous Windows Mobile phones I have had.
I use memmaid as well to do a bit of house keeping.
I was using spbPocketPlus mainly for its Task Handling, but thought I would give WisBar a shot. Having a proper close option to hand is very handy and should be included as a standard option in any version of Windows Mobile.
If I am not using a program I want it to be shut down properly. Like using a PC I only have the programs running that I am using.

FWIW, I am new to this device, but not to PPC, so I am familiar with minimize/close distinction. My orange SPV M5000 loses about .3MB per program invocation. I shut down programs using either the program's own Exit function (where it exists) or the Memory tab in the settings area. But the memory is slowly eroded. The worst culprit is Activesync to my laptop, that consumes around 5MB that never comes back. After a soft reset there is about 23MB free, this quickly drops to around 18, then steadily drops. Something in the OS is not releasing memory. I have to soft reset to get the memory back (which takes about 3 minutes).

I suppose that is what I was getting at.
Keep it simple.
Whether it is a stability problem with WM5 or just the third party software solutions I dont know.
But when I keep it simple, it works and works well.
I never mentioned battery life earlier, this weekend I went away with a full charge, granted I took another smaller phone with me but I did use it quite heavily ( playing Bejewelled, surfing the net and sending MMS ) and it was always on .
This morning it was on about 40% charged. Not too bad I thought compared to previous Windows Mobile phones I have had.
I use memmaid as well to do a bit of house keeping.
I was using spbPocketPlus mainly for its Task Handling, but thought I would give WisBar a shot. Having a proper close option to hand is very handy and should be included as a standard option in any version of Windows Mobile.
If I am not using a program I want it to be shut down properly. Like using a PC I only have the programs running that I am using.

Have you tried using the Exec in Corporate mode? It works fine for me

@ChristopherTD, I setup a dummy Activesync server and then set Activesync to manual and I have found this make my Exec more stable - perhaps it is because it does not lose as much RAM as before.
It is surprising that after 6/9 months of WM5 availability that we are still having instability problems with major/popular WM5 apps. I only use GSPMagic, Agenda Fusion, MS Reader and Opera. Only GSPMagic and AgendaFusion have been trouble-free.

WM5 was intended for programs to keep running. I know we like to hack our machines to death + sometimes the memory gets too full and you have to kill stuff. But sometimes if you keep MS stuff running, and don't kill it all the time with something like magic button, you find the system runs better.
I have activesync, contacts, outlook and PIE open all the time. I used to kill activesync all the time and I think this caused problems.
Normally my games have proper exit buttons, together with pRSSReader (totally excellent program). For the MS built in programs I tend to leave them running as the OS was designed for this.

Wow I think its pretty clear I ended up with a good unit afterall, either that or o2 really really messed up with your ROMS.
I have to charge my battery every night but thats to be expected with the usage I have. And im running Wisbar Lite, PhoneAlarm, PocketBreeze, and Wisbar Advance Desktop, all no worries, the only time I notice a distinct loss of memory is after player Warring Nations.
I feel for you guys, I think your summing it up that your working on your device as opposed to it working for you says it all.

Thanks for all the responses. You're all great guys!
Please see my responses below to all suggestions:
Darren_Bridgeland said:
Do you use the brilliant SBSH Ilauncher as this has very bad memory leaks being looked into at the moment
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Thanks, but no. I don't use SBSH Ilauncher. I use MagicButton which has a minimum memory footprint
jah said:
@mobiler,
we must have twins! I have mentioned similar problems with my Exec to those you discovered and when I reported them here people were unhappy and accused me of not knowing how to use a Exec properly!
You may want to look at the following:
1. Powersave does reduce battery drain but you may a slight delay to being alterted to incoming calls
2. Reformat your SD card if you use data files (eg music, ebooks etc) a lot. I found that MS Reader and Windows Media player were not happy with the use of Powersave - often I would get a systems crash after restarting the device. But after a reformat of the SD card the device was much more stable
3. You can get good quality spare batteries now for the Universal from www.mobilefun.co.uk
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Thanks, I felt I was the only one having problems Anyway:
1) I am always in powersave, still loosing battery power.
2) I just purchased a new SD card yesterday because I thought that may have caused the problems, but it's not it.. same problems.
3) I'll look into spare batteries, thanks for the link
ninja12innotts said:
I had a few issues with PhoneAlarm, nice piece of software does exactly what I wanted as well, apart from I had some compatability issues.
Slowed the phone down alot and if my memory serves me correctly ( I have a few too many memory leaks of my own going on ) made the phone freeze a couple of times.
Tried the trial version of Pocket Informant ( had it as standard on an IPAQ HX4700 and quite liked it ) but that caused me a few problems.
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I appreciate the reply.
1) I've purchased and used phoneAlarm for about a year straight with my PDA2K and it never failed me any problems. I consider it a must have, and since it ran quite smoothly on my PDA2k I don't see why it should cause the Exec these issues. Further, I did remove it and still exeprienced the same issues, so that's not the problem either.
2) I've used PocketInfromant for 1.5 years now and no problem on my old PDA2K.
colonel said:
I know this is anachistic but I am also annoyed by the occasional reboot and have discovered (shock horror) that having as few TSRs running (i.e. none) as possible much reduces this. I used to run magic button and I am convinced that this caused the occasional lockup. These days I only have vbar (2.2) installed and run it at times of need (i.e. I don't run it all the time) as well as using the memory item in the settings to kill programs.
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Thanks for the reply, I've been using MagicButton for almost as long as I can remember and it never failed me. It worked superb on my PDA2K. Further, I tried removing it for a few days to check how things would work without it. Same lockups, same memory leaks, same mediocre performance, unfortunately (or fortunately) this isn't the problem either.
weasel said:
Have you tried using the Exec in Corporate mode? It works fine for me
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Sure I actually never ran my Exec in any other mode than the Corporate mode, so I never even experienced the other modes.
jah said:
@ChristopherTD, I setup a dummy Activesync server and then set Activesync to manual and I have found this make my Exec more stable - perhaps it is because it does not lose as much RAM as before.
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Pitty, that's not the issue with my machine as I already did that trick 2 weeks ago.
I just ran memaid to see what running processes do I have and I see to be having the following ones. Note that I have no running programs in the background and no today plugins enabled whasoever, just VoiceCommand I guess is working in the background but that's it. It seems to me that the WM5 core doesn't freeup memory.
Here's what memaid reports
gwes.exe 5.26MB
device.exe 2.83MB
filesys.exe 2.41MB
cprog.exe 2.29MB
VoiceCmd.exe 1.81MB
shell32.exe 1.51MB
(smaller processes below
tmail.exe 275.57KB
services.exe 159.81KB
connmgr.exe 115.81KB
MemMaid.exe 27.90KB
psShutXP.exe 11.90KB
srvtrust.exe 7.90KB
Nk.exe 0 bytes

the most memory you can clear is about 26-29mbytes. The rest of the running processes need to be there. There is a good thread somewhere on what each process does, will post it if I come across it again.
29mb is disappointing considering there is 64mbyte memory, but thats the way WM5 works.
rgds

I've got a O2 XDA ii (himalaya) and im running wm2005 2.01.64
After a soft reset I have 31.x MB or RAM left, even if I dont run a single program or make a single phone call within say 6hours my RAM is at 21-24MB. This has nothing to do with not correctly closing programs but either a wm2005 leak or in my case a lot of the problem is being pointed at SBSH Ilauncher.

Well here is a comparison just done a soft reset started memaid and my results are in brackets after yours for the ones in common running :-
gwes.exe 5.26MB ( 4.6 MB )
device.exe 2.83MB ( 1.46 MB )
filesys.exe 2.41MB (1.82 MB )
cprog.exe 2.29MB ( 1.46 MB )
VoiceCmd.exe 1.81MB
shell32.exe 1.51MB ( 1.21 MB )
(smaller processes below
tmail.exe 275.57KB
services.exe 159.81KB ( 315.76 kb )
connmgr.exe 115.81KB ( 115.81 kb )
MemMaid.exe 27.90KB (23.0 kb )
psShutXP.exe 11.90KB
srvtrust.exe 7.90KB (7.9 kb )
Nk.exe 0 bytes ( 0kb )
also I have :-
Wisbaradv2.exe 787.71 kb
sddaemon.exe 67.9 kb
Pimhelper.exe 11.9 kb
Poutlook,exe 3.9 kb
( i have Wisbar, SPBdiary and pocketzenphone open )
going to have a look later tonight to see if anything changes.
ROM Ver. 1.30.76
Radio 1.09.00
ExtRom ver 1.30.164

I had similar problems when I first bought my O2 exec (on Ebay).
I downloaded the latest update from O2 website and re-flash the phone. I used Corporate install. So far it has been solid and I am even using the phone with Goodlink without a problem.
About the same time I bought the phone, I bought a 2G SD card (sandisk) , when I got the card I insalled a few software on this card (TCMP and Total Commander). Everytime I ran those applications, I can see that the phone crawls like a snail and worse it hangs. It even take a long time for me to transfer files from my laptop to the SD card even when I used a SD Card reader.
I replaced the SD card with a 2G MMC+ (Kingston) and I install the same apps. My phone is working as it should be, I can say that I didnt experience any hanging at all and it was never slow as well. I can even upload a ripped DVD movie on the phone faster compared to when I used the SD card. Right now I have one full season of Alias in my MMC+ card.
I have the phone setup to turnoff after a period of time (3 minutes) when there is no activity as opposed to others that they wanted to have the settings uncheck Start>Settings>Power. I also make sure that the backlight is set to a minimun when on battery and I uncheck the part where the phone will not recieve all incoming beam.
So far, my phone has been stable and battery lasts for 3 days.

From personal experience I found wisbar caused issues with the phone not ringing on an incoming call. It would ring for the first call after a soft reset and then stop for any further calls...
The other major issue which could cause delays and slowness is installing to the sd card any apps which ought to be installed to ram. ie: today plugins etc.

JASJAR Slow wakeup and dialing

Hay,
I'm using i-mate jasjar, and since day 1 (bought it sep 2005) i've had the problem of slow wakeup and generally slow response. I've run suggested apps such as pocket mechanic etc to remove duplicate wake-up hooks etc, with only slight effect. I've tried several ROMs, none better than the other... I have no extra software installed (i don't want to make it slower than it already is!)
*From i hit a button till the device is (awake) accepting commands takes 10-20 secs...
*From someone starts ringing till my phone is awake enough to start ringing takes 8-10 seconds. clicking the answer button takes another 5+ seconds.
*Dialing is slow (pressing numbers), i suspect it's the DTMF .wav files that take time to load. If i dial too fast, the order of keys pressed are messed up! (say i dial 1-2-3-4, phone takes 4-5 seconds to react, then types 1-2-4-3)
*When i have the usb on, and screen is on, from i click start button, it takes 5-10 seconds before it's displayed. I've tracked this down to a problem reading the icons of certain programs.. any fix for this?
I'm using rom 1.30.76(ext .164), radio 1.09.
This is the latest i-mate rom.
Is my device faulty or is this normal behaviour? Should i try another ROM? Is there any unbranded *good* ROMs out there?
please help,
Michael

VERY abnormal! I had same issue. Solved it here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=281735
Hope it's the same thing for you. If not, work HARD on ID'ign what's on the SD card - and do my test I descroibe with the SD card removed - I bet you see an immediate improvmeent.

Try this
"HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\StorageManager\FATFS\"
Change "CacheSize" value from "0" naar "4096".
"HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\StorageManager\FATFS\CacheSize=0x1000(4096)"
Change "EnableCache" value to "1"
"HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\StorageManager\Filters\fsreplxfilt\"
Change "ReplStoreCacheSize" value to "4096"

disable the 3D phone skin and use the default one it dont has the feature where when typing in a number thats already in the phone book will show . it also looks flat . but its fast .check wiki registry hacks for it . if that dont work install the latest o2 rom with out o2 crap apps then get sktools use sktools and config divise to proformance. trust me it will make your divice fast as wip.
faster than all cooked roms on here

Hi again,
cragiecragie4, I tried removing SD card, no improvement whatsoever on speed.
niketkumar, I tried the cache registry changes, no improvements.
tattootroy, I've run several performance optimizing programs but none make it for the better. What makes this app different?
I still suspect my device may be faulty or bugged, since my friend's device appears faster...
The old I-mate rom was alot faster than the current one, but i don't want to downgrade radio and functionality etc...
Any ROM suggestions?

I'm using the ROM covered here - seems good.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=279258&page=1
Done a LOT of installation and work after basic re-flash, but overall I havn't found any bugs at all (despite what others complain about). Sorry, except that the .NET CF2.0 is badly installed.
Did you run my test? Remember that if you remove SD it will still be slow once, then fast thereafter. Did you work thro it properly. I SOOO had your symptoms, and was so pissed with the whole thing I was about to reflash - then I found that this was definitely the issue.

bheam said:
niketkumar, I tried the cache registry changes, no improvements.
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Did u waited for 10 secs and after dat did the soft reset if not try again .

hi, i had the same pb. i didn't find any solution on french forums and as i suspected my radio upgrade (from 1.09 to 1.13) and my downgrade to 1.13: i decided to hard reset and re install every app on my qtek 9000. Since then it works perfectly. hope it will help...
for info, i got version rom 1.30.97 FRE radio 1.13.00 and extROM 1.30.186 FRE

Loosing the will to live!

Hi Guys
Been having the usual "Turn on" problem with my TyTN since having it, you know, very occasionaly - maybe once a week - you try to turn it from the button on the side and it wont. No matter what you do it stays off and you have to soft-reset.
Well, over the past few weeks its been getting MUCH worse. Im now resorting to rebooting the phone maybe 8 or 9 times a day! I have tried various diferent ROMS and the same issue keeps occuring. I've also checked the ROMS threads to see if anyone else has had this problem as severe as me and they haven't.
I REALLY like my TyTN and don't want to be forced into buying a new phone with the Ultimates just down the roads.
Any ideas???
Thanks in advance!
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Current build (remember, tried with a few diferent ROMS):
Crossbow Prof
CE OS 5.2.1236 (build 17741.0.2.1) = LVSW build
ROM: 3.30.0.1
Date: 17/4/07
Radio:1.41.00.10
Proto: 32.74.7020.18H

Monty Burns said:
Hi Guys
Been having the usual "Turn on" problem with my TyTN since having it, you know, very occasionaly - maybe once a week - you try to turn it from the button on the side and it wont. No matter what you do it stays off and you have to soft-reset.
Well, over the past few weeks its been getting MUCH worse. Im now resorting to rebooting the phone maybe 8 or 9 times a day! I have tried various diferent ROMS and the same issue keeps occuring. I've also checked the ROMS threads to see if anyone else has had this problem as severe as me and they haven't.
I REALLY like my TyTN and don't want to be forced into buying a new phone with the Ultimates just down the roads.
Any ideas???
Thanks in advance!
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Current build (remember, tried with a few diferent ROMS):
Crossbow Prof
CE OS 5.2.1236 (build 17741.0.2.1) = LVSW build
ROM: 3.30.0.1
Date: 17/4/07
Radio:1.41.00.10
Proto: 32.74.7020.18H
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The problem is you have told us nothing about what is running whether you leave it to sleep by itself what's on the today plugins whether you have active sync turned off (ie set to manual) etc etc etc and which of the freezing fixes you have tried. Whether your plugins are on sd card whether it freezes with sd card not inserted etc etc.
Mike

right o' ... get your laughing gear round this
I let it "sleep" itself.
Im running:
Activesync (Exchange push mail - no pattern discovered with regards to receiving new emails)
SPB Weather (Today plugin)
Everything else is standard.
Connecting over 3g/HSDPA
There are other apps installed but these are always "closed" after being used. All apps are installed to the phone memory and not SD card - i've never tried without the card, guess I will try this now! Although, if this is the problem, how do I get around it???? I need my card.

Monty Burns said:
right o' ... get your laughing gear round this
I let it "sleep" itself.
Im running:
Activesync (Exchange push mail - no pattern discovered with regards to receiving new emails)
SPB Weather (Today plugin)
Everything else is standard.
Connecting over 3g/HSDPA
There are other apps installed but these are always "closed" after being used. All apps are installed to the phone memory and not SD card - i've never tried without the card, guess I will try this now! Although, if this is the problem, how do I get around it???? I need my card.
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Well I can see why you kept those things secret. If someone asked me to compile a list of things more or less guaranteed to cause freezing and refusal to turn on, I think I'd give 'em a link to your setup!!
If you must have push mail (that requires active sync to be active) and weather applications then you will likely continue to have problems.
You may be able to reduce the number of them by NOT allowing device to sleep by itself. I have mine set to never sleep. However I do always use the on/off button when finished.
It's fine to have applications that require connection to internet and today plugins on main memory BUT others should be on SD card. The reason is that running low on main memory (and not even that low!) can cause freezing.
PIE can rack up loads of storage memory - can move storage to card.
Regularly run a third party clean out application.
Mike
PS. resisted the urge to get my laughing gear out. Think I was in shock actually. You could consider writing a "how not to setup your Hermes" guide.

mikechannon said:
Well I can see why you kept those things secret. If someone asked me to compile a list of things more or less guaranteed to cause freezing and refusal to turn on, I think I'd give 'em a link to your setup!!
If you must have push mail (that requires active sync to be active) and weather applications then you will likely continue to have problems.
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Why would these apps cause it to lock up? One comes with the operating system and one connects to the net once a day. Surley Outlook can't be that unstable as to cause lockups on average every two hours. I doubt SPB Weather is that unstable as well!
Yes, I must have push email. Why waste battery power polling every thirty minutes or so with pull email?
The memory card is going back in. I took it out, went to Sainsburys and BAM its locked again
I will now try the "no auto sleep" thing and see how that goes so thanks for that suggestion.

i had problems like these with my Tytn and eventually upgraded to WM6 (Black 2.5). It really made a difference. Much faster, never freezes and battery life is better.
Severe fix I know but worth considering

mikechannon said:
.....You may be able to reduce the number of them by NOT allowing device to sleep by itself. I have mine set to never sleep. However I do always use the on/off button when finished. .......
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TOTALLY agree with you there Mike. I was having some real issues with the "coma" effect once the device has automatically gone into sleep mode, this wa admittedly on the original HTC ROM, and was caused by pocketzenphone however since I have (without fail) set the device to NEVER switch off automatically and have got into the good habit of using the on/off button liberally.

warmkiwi99 said:
i had problems like these with my Tytn and eventually upgraded to WM6 (Black 2.5). It really made a difference. Much faster, never freezes and battery life is better.
Severe fix I know but worth considering
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See my orginial post Crossbow
It has! Sadly though it was still "sleeping".
However, i have taken it out of auto sleep and put it to manual, guess what .... been a couple of hours now and NO lockup! Yay!

Monty Burns said:
Why would these apps cause it to lock up? One comes with the operating system and one connects to the net once a day. Surley Outlook can't be that unstable as to cause lockups on average every two hours. I doubt SPB Weather is that unstable as well!
Yes, I must have push email. Why waste battery power polling every thirty minutes or so with pull email?
The memory card is going back in. I took it out, went to Sainsburys and BAM its locked again
I will now try the "no auto sleep" thing and see how that goes so thanks for that suggestion.
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Even official applications are not immune from problems. The Hermes perhaps for some configurational reasons (though it's not just Hermes)does not like running active sync from sleep mode and it does not like running other applications that require syncing (eg. weather type ones).
Active Sync is not a particularly stable app and combine this with the Hermes weakness when being allowed to sleep by itself and you end up with a lock-up. (I have seen some explanations for this but only guess work and theories)
Many people have set their devices up to run active sync in manual mode only and this does help to reduce freezing. Of course you cannot do this with push mail enabled. (It might be possible to run some script or a scheduler programme to start and stop Active sync at set times - though the complexities here are as likely to cause a freeze as anything else!!
I am pleased your SD card seems not to be the cause - it can be for some.
I see you are possibly getting some benefit from a manual shut down rather than auto sleep
You may find the odd other idea on my site - freezing/lockups:
http://michael-channon.spaces.live.com
There is a thread here somewhere but i'd need to search for the thread.
You could also try doing without the weather app for a test. However you may not see a difference as active sync is already running for the mail.
Mike

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See my orginial post Crossbow
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Sorry, didn't notice that......

Hi Mike
Turning off the auto sleep thingy has worked a treat. I'm down to one reboot a day now and that has been related to t-mobiles 3g network failure collapse me thinks
So this tip alone is worth its weight in gold!
SPB Weather is running and so is Activesync/push email.
Also now added today plugins:
RhinoStats (CPU/memory monitor - realtime)
RhinoLaunch (custom program launcher)
All seems pukka and "coma" free

Good news, pleased things have improved.
Of course I suppose we could all agree auto sleep should not cause the device to go into a "coma", but still, I've got used to just using the on/off button. Curiously this has improved my battery life as I turn off as soon as I finish, rather than waiting for it to turn itself off (which it won't anyway as I disabled that mode).
Mike

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right o' ... get your laughing gear round this
I let it "sleep" itself.
Im running:
Activesync (Exchange push mail - no pattern discovered with regards to receiving new emails)
SPB Weather (Today plugin)
Everything else is standard.
Connecting over 3g/HSDPA
There are other apps installed but these are always "closed" after being used. All apps are installed to the phone memory and not SD card - i've never tried without the card, guess I will try this now! Although, if this is the problem, how do I get around it???? I need my card.
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I'll share my experience so that maybe it will help. I use WM6 on my 8525 and have found the "unable to wake" problem to be related to my SPB Mobile Shell. When I have the phone set to display SPB Mobile Shell's "Now Screen" upon wakeup, it quite often will not wake. But if I manually put the phone to "sleep" mode, then it will always pop alive fine. Disabling the Now Screen all together leaves me no problem. My guess is maybe it's an SPB issue. So maybe SPB Weather is causing it. I used to use SPB Weather before Mobile Shell, but since Shell has weather built in, I don't need SBP Weather any longer.
Hope this helps diagnose the problem a bit. For the record, I never had a wakeup problem with WM5.

Since going to black 2.5 and then 3.0 I have not had any of the sleep issues.
I run SPB Weather which is set to update every 5 hours, I run activesync to the exchange server which checks emails every 2 hours. My phone auto-offs after 3 minutes.
I did have AS set to When it arrives - but found this to be bad for battery and also stability. Every ten minutes was fine when I needed more urgency. All programs are installed to the phone, exept pie cache and outlook attachments which are on the card. I have not done any special tricks to avoid any sleep/card problems.

Device.exe process using 100% cpu slowing everything down to a crawl

Hi everyone, I'm new here, couple of weeks ago if you'd asked me what a prophet was, I'd I've talked about religion. I was given a hand-me-down imate jamin that i"m trying to get working properly.
The prophet in question was previously working properly without any issues, the previous owner had just gotten a new battery for it when the issues started. The phone slowed down to a crawl, nothing could get done with it, takes like 1 min to open a text msg, around 10sec to answer a phone call. Having gotten it and thinking its a firmware problem, I did a hard reset, nothing, then I upgraded the firmware to the latest JAMin_WWE_213923_2139123_022021_ship.zip again, nothing!
Funnily enough, this behaviour is erratic, do a soft reset, load sktools and the cpu usage app reports that all is fine, give it some time then ka-boom! the cpu usage gets maxed out by device.exe seemingly for no reason.
Anyone here ever seen behaviour like this? If you have or just have a suggestion on what I can try, please post. I'm not sure what to do now since I'm on the latest firmware and I don't know where I can get a rom for wm6 for the phrophet. I"m hoping upgrading to wm6 will fix this issue.
Thanks in advance.
John.

device exe
Same problem with my HCT Diamond.
Dia Duit Rom.
Trying to find a solution!

Firmware
You could try a cooked rom, but make sure you perform a hard SPL first as this will save your prophet from bricking.
The other thing is have you tried a different battery as a bad battery can seriously affect the phones performance espcially if it is a cheap copy.
If your'e worried about flashing have a deep read of the following link
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Prophet
Hope this helps

Sorry mate, just seen your reply.
The phone eventually died, won't charge, nothing doing, looks like its bricked. I moved to a Kaiser, which then started having 3g problems, though I got a temporary fix by keeping it on 2g.
Now I have a mytouch which needs unlocking. I think me and htc should part ways, I'm yet to have a simple good time with any of their products.
As regards the prophet... is there a way I can resuscitate it? It wont' charge, no light shows either on usb or charging from a normal charger.
Thanks
John

It's not like that. HTC phones work good as long as you keep them good. I'm not saying you didn't keep it good but maybe some softwares ruined your Pocket PC. ANytime this happens, a hard reset and revert from backup should solve most of your problems.
Looking at your Prophet, smells like the battery is dead? Try changing and see if that helps.
Regards,
Carty..

This looks like a day that is going to be special. This phone has been in my drawer over a year now, I'd given up on it long ago. Well I stripped one of my old chargers down to the wire, charged the battery manually for a few mins and presto the phone has come on.
It's still slow as hell, so I see device.exe is still hogging cpu.
Time to review the prophet roms, been a while since I checked on it.

happens the same to me too
for me this issue rises up when i connect with my pc :S
due to the calnot or calpd or poutlook or someother exe ... it streches the cpu usage to a 100%
some ppl say that having the correct time zone helps u out in both, the pc and ppc solves the issue ... well i have windows 7 (UTC) and in ppc (GMT ... using http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=401161 ) does it make any difference ?
now the only option i got is to either hard reset although this happened with my previous ROM too :S