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Just got my nice new XDA2...
And I am dismayed to find that the screen colours/wallpapers etc, all seem to be dithered images in a low colour depth.
Instead of smooth gradients, it seems banded from one colour to the next, and shades are made up of dots instead of many colours.
As this has 65,556 colours, I was not expecting this.
Its much like a real pc running in too low a colour depth - but unlike a real pc where this can easily be changed to 24bit or 32bit colour, I can find no such option on my XDA2. Anyone got any ideas, or is it really this bad (because that's how I would genuinely describe it - bad...)
Bumping ^
Anyone?
Same problem we all have, I think it is down to pixel alignment as if one tilts the top of the Xda II backwards the pixels and display appear how one would expect.
I feel cheated, i used to have a Dell X5 Advance. That display was flawless. Now i cant use some colors, especially blue. It gets really messed up...
Its sad
I still never found a satisfactory explanation, as it STILL looks as though the screen is simply NOT displaying anything like 65K colours...
Discovered this bug early on, but found a workaround. The problem seems to be a contrast issue (too high). Use the Pictures application and adjust the contrast of your pictures one notch downward.
I had an iPAQ H5555 before the XDA II (and a long list of iPAQ's before the H5555 ) I have no complaints over the display on my XDA II colours are crisp and clear, focus contrast and brightness are fine also.
Are you having problems with the default wall paper themes or other inages you have installed?
I have problems with any image used as the today background.
Even those created in Paint Shop Pro.
On my PC, they are smooth, gradiented fills, and blend smoothly.
Soon as you put them onto the XDA2 however, and it gets 'Banded' terribly. Legs appear in what seems like just two colours, a light flesh pink in the mid, and another lighter colour for the outline - a sharp jump from one colour to another - no gradiented fill in between.
Alas, I can't of course attach REAL screen shots, as in so doing the images would appear fine on here, as the images really ARE fine - its only their appearance on the XDA2 that goes haywire.
A simple example of what I mean, SIMULATED however, is as attached.
I have done this simply by posting a view from my window, in true colour 24K format, and then a copy of it, with the colour depth reduced to just 256 colours, with no error diffusion used.
This is almost EXACTLY what the resultant appearance is like on my XDA2. But sure enough, as some users say, if you ANGLE the XDA2, this becomes a lot less pronounced.
I am at a loss to understand why it does it at all however, becuase as far as I know, current screen technology does not need to suffer an issue such as this.
Mmmmmm.....
I have not found any sollution to the problem.
I am saddened to say, but it seems like it's the phone to blame.
So much for 65K Transflective being the bees knees.
I have designed a batch of about 60 themes for the phone, using photos. No matter what quality I save at, or even saving as .bmp based, half of them look terrible, with skin tones such as legs being made up of a lighter outline colour, with a big pool of a darker colour in the middle - TWO colours used to make up a part of an image that should be 100's of colours.
Terrible.
Even worse, I notice now, that this applies to Windows Media Player, playing back videos too.
If you angle your head/the XDA2 a certain angle, this reduces the effect. But I mean come on.
Obviously (based on my last comment there) this is a limitation of the screen technology.
Not impressed by far is all I can really say.
This annoys me too.
It feels like somewhere deep inside the XDA2 there's a hardcoded 4096 colour setting left over from the XDA 1. It's especially noticable on web pages.
You should bring this device back to where you got it from and test it side by side with another XDA II using the same themes.
The quality of my screen is perfect and the colours are all vivid and no banding appears unless the theme itself has banding.
I had an iPAQ 5455 that had the same problem as yours, colours appeared to only show 4096 colours 8bit. I sent back and it was replaced with another one that had a perfect screen.
Cheerio
Howard
Mmm - now this topic is getting interesting...
Anyone else think that there is a problem?
I have hinted all along that it's as if the XDA2 is only displaying images in a limited number of colours, and to now hear other people saying the same kind of thing makes for interesting reading...
hmmm
maybe i'm totally wrong, but: do you use CLEAR TYPE ???
i did activate it, and realized that eg. in the phone application the "talk" or the "number" buttons did really look awful.
so i turned clear type off, and my problems where gone... or was it all imagination ? i don't know ...
just a thought
servus ize|man
I do use it, so I'm about to experiment, and report back.
Was worth a try, but alas, no difference on my XDA2.
Just chose a couple of my themes that seem poorly 'dithered' and colour 'banded'.
Turned Cleartype off.
Did a reset...
And the themes look no different or better alas.
Damn.
Thanks for the suggestion though mate.
It REALLY does seem as if the 65000 colour XDA2 is forced into running with just 4096 colours - possibly even less.
But the way or angle you look at the screen makes all it look different, so then again, this could be an inherit issue, and in effect, 'feature' of the screen technology.
A very poor one if so, given the hype of how much much better this new screen is over the original XDA.
Probably one of the poorest that I have seen...
Here's my image quality.
I took your good image and put it onto my machine and took a screen shot. Here's the sample.... no banding!
Cheers
Exactly the same for me: no banding, good quality.
Perhaps something is wrong with your device.. :roll:
Er no guys...
Because that was just a SIMULATED screen shot, which I don't even use on my XDA2 - I just took a photo I had from my back window, and recoloured it down to 256 colours, to simulate what I see (as this is EXACTLY what it looks like with other themes).
I SHOULD have done it with a real theme I use, but in this case I hadn't.
I will post a theme file that is bad for me, and you can try that if you like...
My problem of course, is that all my many themes, are ADULT based images of my gf and her gf etc, so not suitable to post in a general forum such as this.
I have attached a screenshot of one of the 'tamer' ones though.
The screenshot, taken straight from ActiveSync Remote Display, appears FINE on a PC - it's on the DEVICE that it looks bad though.
So take a look at the screenshot, the area where I indicate bad 'banding' then run the also attached theme on your device, and tell me if you get 'banding' where I indicate, when you put the theme on your actual device?
Shadamehr,
It's the result of too much contrast. Try this:
1. Take the background bitmap you used for your theme and copy it to your XDAII.
2. Load the Pictures application and view the picture you just loaded.
3. Click Edit|Brightness And Contrast and adjust the contrast one or two settings downwards until the picture looks okay.
4. Save the picture, copy it to your PC and us it in your theme.
5. Try your new Theme on your XDAII and see if the banding problem goes away.
Hope this helps,
Rene
Yeah well, I convert images to 240x320 to fit my XDA II, and they come out REALLY light, and bright, they dont show up that light or bright on my PC, they are dark on PC, and really bright on my XDA II, is there anyway to fix this? Even if I take a picture with my camera in a dark spot and set it as background its really bright.
turn down the brightness!
try making them themes with a themebuilder
also there is some registry which is suppose to help with some transparency thingy try doing a search
i already figured out the prob thx anyway
Why is it that today screen images show up rather poor? They seem to be locked to 16-bit color instead of 32. The original image show up fine in the album but has visible shades when used as today. I read that the Theme Generator (from Microsoft) always locks em to 16-bit. Any ideas? Thanks.
sekinoss said:
Why is it that today screen images show up rather poor? They seem to be locked to 16-bit color instead of 32. The original image show up fine in the album but has visible shades when used as today. I read that the Theme Generator (from Microsoft) always locks em to 16-bit. Any ideas? Thanks.
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The Magician can only show 16-bit colour i.e. 65536 colours. But I know what you mean about the today screen. I used theme generator and get the impression its using closer to 12 bits.
sekinoss said:
Why is it that today screen images show up rather poor? They seem to be locked to 16-bit color instead of 32. The original image show up fine in the album but has visible shades when used as today. I read that the Theme Generator (from Microsoft) always locks em to 16-bit. Any ideas? Thanks.
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try to save your wallpaper in .gif 256 clrs 294*320, rename it to Default_stwater.gif and replace the default in /windows dir. Then, reset your today and all be fine!!!
I see. Almost forgot that the screen's only 16-bit. The problem is, the image showed up great on the Album, but displayed poorly when used as today (thru theme generator, image as wallpaper, etc.). GKill, I don't understand what you're talking about, but I'll try it out anyway. Thanks!
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GKill, I don't understand what you're talking about, but I'll try it out anyway. Thanks!
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I am talking about replacing the standart windows wallpaper (blue with win. logo) that located in widows dir. This image you cant delete, but it is possible to replace it! TYou must search this .gif file (see above) and copy to your desktop, then open in photoshop. Make own wallpaper and save it with similar dimensions in .gif. Then replace, like I said and you will receive own designed wallpaper as windows default!!!
It is good because it suitable as for portrait, as for landscape modes!
Hey thanks! The pic looked better now but I just realized that today's are limited to 256 colors (GIFs)?? If so then is there any way to display 16-bit pics? Thanks!
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Hey thanks! The pic looked better now but I just realized that today's are limited to 256 colors (GIFs)?? If so then is there any way to display 16-bit pics? Thanks!
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Glad to hear this!!!!! :wink:
Do you really want 16 bit??? Heh, but try to notice any difference (withe bare eyes) between your 16 bit unconverted (jpg for examle) and converted 256 colors .gif!!! What do you see??? Yes, it is VERY hard to see ane difference! Man, dont f*ck your brain, girl is better :lol: :lol: :lol:
Could someone help me with this: the gifs have only 256 indexed colours, so if you have a nice picture, like a sunset, the smooth gradient turns into bands or ugly pixels (dithering?). So how cannot one make the difference between a jpg and this horrible gif ? The jpg files are displayed OK in the album view. If I try to set one of these jpgs as desktop image it gets whitish like through a fog. How can I set a sunset without pixels or bands as the "desktop image". It seems so complicated ...Could someone please help ?
Could someone help me with this: the gifs have only 256 indexed colours, so if you have a nice picture, like a sunset, the smooth gradient turns into bands or ugly pixels (dithering?). So how cannot one make the difference between a jpg and this horrible gif ? The jpg files are displayed OK in the album view. If I try to set one of these jpgs as desktop image it gets whitish like through a fog. How can I set a sunset without pixels or bands as the "desktop image". It seems so complicated ...Could someone please help ?
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Could someone help me with this: the gifs have only 256 indexed colours, so if you have a nice picture, like a sunset, the smooth gradient turns into bands or ugly pixels (dithering?). So how cannot one make the difference between a jpg and this horrible gif ? The jpg files are displayed OK in the album view. If I try to set one of these jpgs as desktop image it gets whitish like through a fog. How can I set a sunset without pixels or bands as the "desktop image". It seems so complicated ...Could someone please help ?
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When converting in photoshop, set dithering options to "off" (no dither). remember that display in Magician is 65K. This means maximum colour depth is 16 bit. In any case, I'm using the 256 .gif pics with beautiful landscapes and it looks great! If you want, I can post here one...
I wanna save energy, so, how do I turn the white background into a black one, and foreground vice versa?
Could someone please help me I'd be very grateful
Dan
There was a black theme here somewhere, look for a thread on WM 5 theme creating.
Note that this changes absolutely nothing battery vise (though it is easy on the eyes and matches my Jamin case color).
The colors LCD displays make no difference in terms of power consumption (there is a blog on this by some MS guy but I really don't remember the link).
If you want to save battery reduce your back-light intensity (Start->Settings->System->Backlight) as this is one of the major battery eaters on the device.
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The colors LCD displays make no difference in terms of power consumption (there is a blog on this by some MS guy but I really don't remember the link).
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Thx found it here.
K. Now there wouldn't be a way to turn this down with any more steps than in the built-in-system, coz I can only turn this down one notch before blackness and then it's still pretty bright. Thanx.
Dan
Hi Guys,
I need you help on ELF P3450 screen resolution problem. I upgraded my HTC touch from 6 to 6.1 professional. After I did it, I am facing screen resolution problem. The screen display is not clear and sharp. Its fuzzy with colored background. Seems like resolution is less. The videos are not good quality and pictures with faint colors. Does it have to do anything with display driver?How can I fix this?
Thanks in advance.
Hi could you post a screen shot of your display
Screen resolution problem
Currently I can not post the screen shot. But to precisely describe, its like bitmap image, not sharp, you could see blurry colors in the background.
Thanks for your time.
sandeepshimpi said:
Currently I can not post the screen shot. But to precisely describe, its like bitmap image, not sharp, you could see blurry colors in the background.
Thanks for your time.
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Hi in your signature please add up your device information, like the ROM and stuff. Which Rom you're using is it the stock Rom? If I'm right it happened only after you upgraded the Rom. You can pose a screen with another camera from top of it. Have you tried re-flashing your ROM? Also it might be a digitizer issue.
Following is the info:
ROM version - 2.20.710.2B WWE
radio version - 4.1.13.51
model - ELF0101
Yesterday I also installed a new touch screen panel (do you call this part digitizer?). I did not try re-flashing it yet though. You are right it happened only after I upgraded to WM 6.1 version.
Right now I do not have any camera handy, thats why can not post any screen shot. Sorry about that.
What you think the problem would be?
Thanks a lot ivanmatz.
One more thing I would like to add, I noticed only images like background image of win mobile 6.1 professional, back ground of phone panel, videos, pics have low resolution background (like bitmap). The outside back ground of these guys is very clear.Thanks