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BT Stack Question

Hello:
I was wondering if someone could explain the difference between the BT Stack that comes in the XDA/MDAII and the Widcomm BT Stack. I have read in other forums that this is the reason the XDA/MDAII BT does not work well with many devices.
Can someone clarify? Sorry if this question is too "dumb".
Fernando

The Bluetooth "stack" is the software portion of the Bluetooth. It provides various profiles, like a serial profile to connect to a COM/Serial Port, a network profile, a headset profile, etc. Each device provides different profiles.
MS Bluetooth stack some troubles with COM ports.
People are extracting the WidComm Stack, which comes on Ipaq, and using it on XDA II, till a patch is provided.

@palmop
Please how to do?
step by step

Hi Palmop, here we go again!!!
I am trying to create a bond between my MDAII and a BT device. It is asking me to insert a PIN, which I do not have. The device manufacturer (igo.com) claims that a PIN is not necessary, since their device works well with the iPaqs and the Loox. So I am stuck in the middle of BT stack compatibility.
I have also tried to setup a BT bond between my MDAII and my desktop PC (with a BT USB dongle), and in this case the MDAII does not even recognize the desktop.
Is this all the result of a crappy BT stack in the MDAII? Do you think it can be fixed with a patch, or perhaps the Widcomm stack?
Thanks again for your advice.
Fernando

palmop said:
The Bluetooth "stack" is the software portion of the Bluetooth. It provides various profiles, like a serial profile to connect to a COM/Serial Port, a network profile, a headset profile, etc. Each device provides different profiles.
MS Bluetooth stack some troubles with COM ports.
People are extracting the WidComm Stack, which comes on Ipaq, and using it on XDA II, till a patch is provided.
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Could you please provide link for such resource? Thanks.

I believe you should be able to Active Sync via Bluetooth using current stack, at least, but haven't tried myself.
It is the Bluetooth GPS thread here on XDA-Developers.com, search for widcomm, you'll find it

Thanks. one question has not been answered there - after this mod BT headset is still functional?

Apparently no. However, they have used some files dated May, not the latest. So I don't know if those files would fix it.

I have a XDA II and a TDK BT dongle for my PC and can confirm that it does hook up successfully.
You just need to set the serial port to the COMM port of the BT dongle in Activesync, then hit use bluetooth in the activesync menu.
Dom

I need it.... Widcomm - BlueTooth - PPC/Phone Edition

Hi!
This is my first topic and i hope somebody can help me...
i need the Widcomm file "BT-PPC/Phone Edition" that i think that will end all the problems with Bluetooth...
"BT-PPC/Phone Edition leverages current BTW-CE/PPC features and includes the following profiles (GAP, SDP, SPP, GOEP, OPP, FTP, SYNC, DUN, HSP, HFP & PAN).
Key features of this product:
Addition of WAN connectivity features
Implement cellular connectivity
Manage audio traffic routing to headset
Display radio signal strength (RSSI) on screen
Implement power management scheme (enable WAN connectivity while PPC is off/sleep)
Initial release OMAP platform
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www.widcomm.com
I allready have the BluetoothGps file but this version is not for phone edition...
If anyone have it, please share it... :wink:
Sorry my English. :?
thanks.

You're not alone
I really hope that we will see something shortly after new HP PE will hit the shelves. I really want to get my dirty hands on this unit and exctract BT stack form it ASAP.

Maybe other new ppc have the same software...? like toshiba, for exemple? :?:

My girlfriends iPaq uses the Widcomm 1.4.1 BT stack.
I don't know if I can do something to help. :?:

OK I think I have the right Widcomm BT stack, testing it now on my Qtek 2020

Please share the file if it is working. thanks in advance

I want it too!!!
I was begging for this a couple of months ago under the header "is this the answer to all our bluetooth problems?", so if anyone can produce this file, I'd be tremendously pleased!
-Bastian

I did not get it working. I can instal it but don't know how to disable/remove the original BT stack.
If someone gets it working please, let me know.
http://www.com1-support.com/archive/TECH0862_CE_3.zip

BT from iPAQ
The idea is to get a BT Stack from the Phone Edition.
Getting BT Stack from normal PPC will not resolve problem with headsets... only with accessing network... at least i would think so

NEW BLUETOOTH DRIVER (^-^) AMAZING (^-^)

Hi guys,
just listen to the story:
in one of the summer night ..... :lol: cute hu
ok i have found a new bluetooth driver that works on magician
i have tested it in my i-mate jam and it worked well
it has much more services which i never found in a bluetooth driver
which are:
Headset
File Explorer
Personal Area Networking
ActiveSync
Telephony (i think this is Dial up networkig)
Rendering (Don't ask me, i don't know :wink: )
Serial port
Bluetooth ftp server
Object push
Object push server (i really don't know what's the difference..)
Bluetooth chat
i think that's enough, or i think there is nothing else :lol:
finally try and let me know.
by the way it's a Toshiba product.
Enjoy
but i don't know it couldn't be uploaded so these are the links:
English
http://aps.toshiba-tro.de/bluetooth/pages/disclaimer.php?dt=bts&download=4us
French
http://aps.toshiba-tro.de/bluetooth/pages/disclaimer.php?dt=bts&download=4fr
German
http://aps.toshiba-tro.de/bluetooth/pages/disclaimer.php?dt=bts&download=4gr
Italian
http://aps.toshiba-tro.de/bluetooth/pages/disclaimer.php?dt=bts&download=4it
Japanese
http://aps.toshiba-tro.de/bluetooth/pages/disclaimer.php?dt=bts&download=4jp
Spanish
http://aps.toshiba-tro.de/bluetooth/pages/disclaimer.php?dt=bts&download=4sp
Just Remember to Let Me Know :wink:

Is there A2DP and AVRCP support?

dmitry1972 said:
Is there A2DP and AVRCP support?
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This one is rather old Toshiba's proprietary BT stack. nothing good. I have used it with my TOSHIBA E800 + TOSHIBA SD BT card combo 2 years ago. And had many problems with it. Anyway.
here is some info for you:
Profiles supported by your Toshiba Pocket PC
Headset Profile
Serial Port Profile
Dial-up Networking Profile
Object Push Profile File
Transfer Profile
LAN Access Profile
Personal Area Networking Profile
General Access Profile
Bluetooth specification
V1.2 Not compatible with Bluetooth V1.0B
devices.
as you can see - this one is not even BT 2.0 compliant.

do you mean that it's a useless software
what about blueSoleil, bluetooth adds..... and other softwares
comparing to that which one is better, :?: :?:
and i've sayed that it worked well on my i-mate jam. i don't know what about other devices.

Hi,
i'm testing the bluesoleil stack (bluesoleil_r2.arm with switch from this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=36395)
since 2 weeks on my magician (qtek s100 rom 1.12 FR , radio 1.13) and i'm very happy with it;
PAN network works fine for accessing my LAN (files, internet, activesync),
and file transfer with other mobiles works better (i didn't test others BT services like dun, fax...)
Just have to switch to ms stack for GPS use with my BT338 and TT6(very laggy with bluesoleil stack)
Regards.
Sk

Widcom stack for Artemis?

Do anyone have working widcom stack for artemis? I read in helmi's universal forum that it could be done via some reg changes. Made it anyone working. I'm gonna give it a try. Keep fingers crossed

didn't have time to try everything.
download
KING HELMI_C's widcomm stack
install
ad following registry entries:
Code:
unfortunately too long post :mad: so check the .reg included
I just finished so far I tried
filetransfer Orbit <> Universal works
AD2P (or whats name bt stereo) Orbit<> Moto HT820
AVPRC (or whats name remote control - next,previous,pause,play) Orbit<> Moto HT 820 (using m$hit media player) works
PAN not yet
Headset not yet.
regfile included.
to Helmi: I posted this in artemis upgrade forum as well
please feel free to post or PM or mail me any bugs.....
BTW: I'm using O2 Orbit - Arte200

Sorry for noob question ... but what is the difference betwin Original one and Widcom?
Cheers ...

check menneisys (soory for misspelling) posts somewhere in General/networking
it has more bt profiles at least

pnsnake:
Are you with helmi also working on this hack?
Your widcom stack made for universal works on artemis as well?
Do I simpy follow the same procedure described by you on the link specified by you?
Apps such as Sniper, which require widcom/broadcom stack, will work on Artemis, as with MS stack it is not?
For newbies here is the article from pocketpcmag.com blog about the difference:
http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/index.php?blog=3&p=1649&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1#more1649

dont know, i'm just trying to port it for arte, my Universal is running with Widcomm, so i decided to port it to my Orbit.
So far A2DP,AVCPR is working, file transfer, serial port are working. Headset profile not yet. I'm still trying to figure it out. Maybe Helmi will help.

so far i can transfer all sound from phone to my moto ht820 but not yet phonecalls

Tnx for quick reply. Guess I will try it out. I hope it is easy to remove it and come back to default settings (ms stack). I don't need bluetooth profiles, neither plan on using bt earphones.
File transfer (both ways), bluetooth sync and modem are indeed required. Hope it works.

I have a big problem. I tried this stack and bluetoothe works fine but GPS stoped working. If I uninstall it and try to activate MS Bluetooth stack, bluetooth stops working. So I have to decide: Bluetooth or GPS.
Is there any possibility to reactivate the MS Bluetooth stack?
Ah, I do have WM6 btw...

I was looking at a fix to get my car working with my WM6 Artemis, and thinking of trying the Widcomm stack. However, reading through this thread am I right in understanding that this version of the Widcomm stack won't yet support hands-free kits anyway?

Help needed: How to pair bluetooth without SDP signal?

Hey all,
I'm trying to pair a PPC with SonyEricsson's bluetooth watch MBW-150 to use moneytoo's brilliant SmartWatchM. This worked fine with my old PPC running the Microsoft bluetooth stack. My new PPC (LG KS20) uses the Widcomm/Broadcom stack, believed to be cleverer than the MS stack.
Here's the problem:
The PPC will not pair. The watch does not send out information according to the BT Service Discovery Protocol (SDP), because it was never meant to be paired with anything else than SE phones. The Microsoft stack didn't care and paired nonetheless. The Widcomm/Broadcom stack, however, will pair with BT devices only if it finds a supported profile. The watch uses the Serial Port Profile (SPP), but it doesn't say so, not sending any SDP information to the PPC. The PPC would support SPP of course, but doesn't pair as it has no way of knowing that the watch supports this profile.
In the end, when I try to pair, the PPC will see the watch but doesn't know what to do with it, and will not pair.
Is there any way of pairing (using a Widcomm/Broadcom stack) without SDP information? Can I enforce pairing with the watch? (I can easily insert serial port settings in the reg manually.)
Or can I somehow change my BT stack? I've read that the only way to do that would mean changing the ROM ... :-(
Any ideas? Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Many thanks,
N.

I'm using 32feet.NET library that supports only MS BT Stack. Fortunately I have just found this lib http://franson.com/bluetools/ that seems to support Widcomm Stack. I will try it soon.
EDIT:
What BT stack is on it? Is it Broadcom? Widcomm on Motorola Q9 is ok and lets you to pair device without any service but Broadcom on a one HP iPAQ I have tested doesnt.
EDIT2:
Not a good news. Franson Bluetools doesnt work on smartphones. I dont know much about this stuff but from what I have read it seems like pairing/bonding request is possible only in MS BT stack (via some non official function) and it's disabled in other BT stacks because of security issues.

Thanks for chiming in, moneytoo!
moneytoo said:
What BT stack is on it? Is it Broadcom? Widcomm on Motorola Q9 is ok and lets you to pair device without any service but Broadcom on a one HP iPAQ I have tested doesnt.
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This may be a noob question but: How do I tell whether it's Broadcom or Widcomm? Is there still a difference since Broadcom bought Widcomm?
Anyway, BT manager will not pair ("no supported protocol found").
moneytoo said:
it seems like pairing/bonding request is possible only in MS BT stack (via some non official function) and it's disabled in other BT stacks because of security issues.
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I'm afraid that's true. I haven't found anything so far that would point me to a workaround, backdoor or anything - and as my KS20 is a company phone I can hardly change the ROM
Let's hope someone comes up with an idea!