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Quick question when using pie to surf the net does it hang for a while on locating the web page or does it work instantly.
I have just got the Tytn and looking at web pages using 3g is really slow and really not very usable
I am using tmobile uk 3g network
after inputting a web address it hangs on locating for up to 60 seconds then loads the page very wuickly after that
Anyone any ideas
Thanks
Chris

Very strange. I dont have this problem. The first time a UMTS connection must be established and it is 5 or 6 seconds. The next request are very fast. May be you have established the DNS servers manually?

I get that, browsing using GPRS is painful on t-mobile

how about using opera 8.6 http://opera.com

I too have this problem with T-Mobile, On connecting to the internet over GPRS or 3G GPRS it will hang for some time, wether its internet explorer or other internet services I have on the device (HTC Universal).
As I have web and walk I just leave it connected, but its not ideal. I wonder wether its the T-Mobile servers working slowly to authenticate the handset for internet use.
Its been fine upto the last month or so.

adam_beasley said:
I too have this problem with T-Mobile, On connecting to the internet over GPRS or 3G GPRS it will hang for some time, wether its internet explorer or other internet services I have on the device (HTC Universal).
As I have web and walk I just leave it connected, but its not ideal. I wonder wether its the T-Mobile servers working slowly to authenticate the handset for internet use.
Its been fine upto the last month or so.
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Is weird .... Im using unlimited internet T-Mobile NL (UMTS 3G) without any problem ... never freezing and the speed is very stable...
cheers
indra9110

adam_beasley said:
I too have this problem with T-Mobile, On connecting to the internet over GPRS or 3G GPRS it will hang for some time, wether its internet explorer or other internet services I have on the device (HTC Universal).
As I have web and walk I just leave it connected, but its not ideal. I wonder wether its the T-Mobile servers working slowly to authenticate the handset for internet use.
Its been fine upto the last month or so.
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I have exactly the same problem with an MDA Pro. Fine until a month ago now slow on 3g. GPRS though is fine.
I'm actually quite relieved to find that it isn't just me !
Stu

StuBFrost said:
I have exactly the same problem with an MDA Pro. Fine until a month ago now slow on 3g. GPRS though is fine.
I'm actually quite relieved to find that it isn't just me !
Stu
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Its also become random now, somtimes it connects and its instant, and actually fast even on normal GPRS, other times it can take over a couple of minutes to locate and open a page.
Doesnt seem to matter whether its a full signal or not, whether its after a reset or anything, totally depends on what T-Mobile feels like.
Maybe it cant cope with the number of web'n'walk use now.

Absolutely agree with you as you have described precisely what my symptoms are.
Hopefully if enough people complain to T-Mobile about it, they might actually admit there is a problem and fix it.

Maybe the delays are because http traffic is proxied
Maybe the delays are because http traffic is proxied....
It looks like Orange are operating a proxy or some other form of protection. A few weeks ago I discovered that they had something in place to restrict access to adult sites, wouldn't have bothered me other than the site I was trying to visit was xda-developers.com.
Even followed their link to get the site unblocked and got a nice little responce stating "Your request has been actioned and the content is confirmed as only suitable for customers over the age of 18." before getting their filtering disabled.

adam_beasley said:
StuBFrost said:
I have exactly the same problem with an MDA Pro. Fine until a month ago now slow on 3g. GPRS though is fine.
I'm actually quite relieved to find that it isn't just me !
Stu
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Its also become random now, somtimes it connects and its instant, and actually fast even on normal GPRS, other times it can take over a couple of minutes to locate and open a page.
Doesnt seem to matter whether its a full signal or not, whether its after a reset or anything, totally depends on what T-Mobile feels like.
Maybe it cant cope with the number of web'n'walk use now.
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Exactly how i seem to find it, either it works or doesnt. There seems to be nothing u can do either to make it work, reboot, change from UTMS to 2g ot what ever. Nothing has any bearing and its most annoying, tbh i wish id never got the universal now as its a huge piece of junk, or at least the t- mobile ones are. Ive used a 02 one and its just soooooooooooooo much faster in everything.
im using the latest rom and even after flashing its still sluggish before anything is installed.

adam_beasley said:
StuBFrost said:
I have exactly the same problem with an MDA Pro. Fine until a month ago now slow on 3g. GPRS though is fine.
I'm actually quite relieved to find that it isn't just me !
Stu
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Its also become random now, somtimes it connects and its instant, and actually fast even on normal GPRS, other times it can take over a couple of minutes to locate and open a page.
Doesnt seem to matter whether its a full signal or not, whether its after a reset or anything, totally depends on what T-Mobile feels like.
Maybe it cant cope with the number of web'n'walk use now.
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Exactly how i seem to find it, either it works or doesnt. There seems to be nothing u can do either to make it work, reboot, change from UTMS to 2g ot what ever. Nothing has any bearing and its most annoying, tbh i wish id never got the universal now as its a huge piece of junk, or at least the t- mobile ones are. Ive used a 02 one and its just soooooooooooooo much faster in everything.
im using the latest rom and even after flashing its still sluggish before anything is installed.

Having been in a T-Mobile 3G area most of today (Loughborough, Leicestershire) the service itself has been as quick as ive ever used it, getting around 270k on a fairly medium signal.
The times it hasnt worked (long first time loading) it has returned to me with a server or IP error. I just assume that as web'n'walk is unlimited, but has restrictions on use, that the servers are overloaded trying to monitor or prevent certain services working.
Its been picking up a bit lately tho, im suffering the waiting times less and less each time I try. Tho 3G UMTS has really sucked the life out of my battery today, it may be best I keep it on 2G instead.

Haven't noticed any of these problems on T-Mobile in and around London. Have you all removed your "Content Lock"?
As mentioned earlier by Taz69, connection may be slowed down by the T-Mobile servers checking to see if you're 'allowed' to visit various sites?
I disabled my content lock ages ago using 'My T-Mobile' on www.t-mobile.co.uk - give it a go if you haven't already, it may make a difference?

My content is unlocked and always has been so it isn't that umfortunately.

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I get that, browsing using GPRS is painful on t-mobile
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So, Im not the only one :roll: Do you get the problem where it can take 30+ secs to switch between GRPS and 3G too?
Also, I spoke to T-Mobile about slow speeds and lack of connetivity - I can hardly get a signal in my office, although I am sat across road from a T-Mobile mast!!!
They said that as the mast across road was congested, my device was connecting via a mast further away (I like the idea of it not trying to get on a congested mast, but distance causes problems with connectivity too :roll: )
Other thing they pointed out was, if you call them with the postcode that has the problem, it gets logged...enough logs and they escalate it (I'm up to 6 logs in my postcode now lol)

How can I tell if it's switching? Mine says "Connected (GPRS, 3G)"
Since (re)removing the lock it does seem significantly faster though

If your connected via standard GPRS then the connected logo at the top of the screen will have a G on it, if your connected via 3G GPRS then it changes to a U (for UTMS).
Ive always had a delay swapping between the 2, yesterday my 3G signal kept dropping so it would switch back to 2G, and it kept doing this so much I couldnt get any internet for about 5 mins. I know you can turn the UMTS band off, but this makes buying a 3G phone pointless.
I have content lock off since day one, and its always been fast. Today theres been bo problems with the service at all, fast logon, good speed connections etc.
Seems a random thing lately, but its only been lately. Its been fine for a few months before, so hopefully its somthing there working on and it slowly getting sorted.

The problems could be down to the pay and go users Web and talk, for a max of £1 per day they get unlimited internet, see t-mobile for more info, this could be eating servers bandwith within certain areas, i was able to logon this morning, but after 9am i keep getting page cannot be found errors, The little u and the 2 arrows show me I'm conneted but i cant load any pages, I hope this is the case and t-mobile sort this out asap

I have had the same problem now for around a month. I am using Opera 8.60 and it takes around 1 minute to actually resolve the host name. Sites with adverts on take forever. I contacted T-Mobile and they said that the signal in my area is really good and there shouldn't be a problem. They told me to take the sim card out, wait 30 seconds and then reinsert it, and then try.
I have not yet had any luck, and it seems to be the same throughout the country, as I was in Cornwall over the weekend on holiday and it was just as bad.
P.S. I am in Liverpool, and I have a full 5 bar umts signal.

M3100 Reconfigured to T-mobile UK - Slow 3g data ?

Hi Everyone,
I got a Orange M3100 and reconfigured the settings for T-mobile.
Now, I thought I'd get fast 3g data speeds, but I find the data speeds are abit faster than GPRS.
Any ideas of some "Tweaks" or other settings to get faster data speeds ?
Thanks.

Anybody ?
I was also wondering how people on T-mobile (UK) are finding data speeds for browsing and email compared to GPRS ?

If you subscribe to T-Mobile (UK)'s Web n Walk then simply call T-Mobile Customer Services and ask them to activate HSPDA on your account. I have and the speeds are VERY impressive for a mobile phone! :lol:

Thanks for the reply.
I've already done that and it didnt make a blind bit of difference.
Spoke to T-mobile again today and they think its because I haven't got good 3g coverage in my area. I'm not sure if they are telling me the truth or just fobbing me off.
I'm gonna try a couple of other areas (to the North and West of me as advised by T-mobile).
I just wasn't sure if there were any technical reasons that a reconfigured M3100 should have problems with running on T-mobile.
So Is your speed SUBSTANTIALLY faster than GPRS ??

YES. When it works it works very well. I too suffer from time to time with coverage issues but thats to be expected.

The area that I am in has 3g coverage and I can make a 3g video call without a problem.
I'm going to try out a few more areas later on and see if it makes a difference, but I think the coverage in my area is fine.

Pulling about 850k/sec on my m3100 on T-Mobile at the moment in Greenwich..

850k ....... damn ..... Is that Kbytes or Kbits per sec ??

My T-Mobile connected 3100 is getting 871kbit/sec in Central London.
There are a few factors which can make it seem slower:
1. Pocket Internet Explorer is not fast, and it does take a while to render pages.
2. DNS lookups on T-Mob DO seem to be a little slow.
3. If you're using Netfront or Opera and have auto-proxy on, it'll take a while to discover that you don't have a proxy before even beginning to render the page.

What application are you using to check data speed ?

ash99 said:
What application are you using to check data speed ?
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This works from PIE:
http://www.bandwidthplace.com/speedtest/
Direct link to speed test here (I have it on bookmarks).
You can find it in the wiki page, under the SetHSDPA section:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Hermes_Utils

So ..... what would a good browser to use ???
Also from one of the previous points, I find it does takes AGES to find and then actually open up a page.

Using the speed test above on the TyTN built in Pocket IE I could not get a speed result. But using Opera I just managed 1.2 megabits per second. 1MB file downloaded in 6.9 seconds.
Better than my desktop PC!

Cool. I'll do some tests myself later, but for now I've phoned Oranged, cancelled the upgrade and I've ordered the Vario II on a a new line with T-mobile.
I might as well use a t-mobile phone on t-mobile
Should get it tomorrow.

Got my MDA Vario II Today. I'm giving back a Orange SPV M3100 and in comparison the MDA seems
- a little bit slower, possibly due to additional software loaded by T-mobile
- Damn ugly, Silver, bergundy, black ..... WHY ???
- Buttons are not as good. Smaller red and green buttons.
But .......... life goes on.

battletank said:
2. DNS lookups on T-Mob DO seem to be a little slow.
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Paul at Modaco posted this news item about slow DNS lookups on T-Mobile. His solution was to alter the DNS settings from their default (assign by ISP) to 217.115.138.24 and 83.217.93.246 which he found on OpenNIC.
Please read his article for more details. I have altered the settings on my Tytn (I use T-Mobile) and it does seem better.

TyTN II keyboard buttons for Tilt?

When I get my Tilt I'll wanna purchase the TyTN II's buttons, I just dont know where to get any. someone have an idea?

mikeeey said:
When I get my Tilt I'll wanna purchase the TyTN II's buttons, I just dont know where to get any. someone have an idea?
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Can't help you out on where to acquire the keypad. However, like most, I saw pictures of the Tilt and thought the keyboard was quite ugly. But now that it's in front of me, I like it a lot. It makes it much easier to make a quick dash to those number keys.

TaurusBullba said:
Can't help you out on where to acquire the keypad. However, like most, I saw pictures of the Tilt and thought the keyboard was quite ugly. But now that it's in front of me, I like it a lot. It makes it much easier to make a quick dash to those number keys.
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really? well that's good to know, yea i guess i will just have to see.
when did you get your Tilt? and what state are you from? im still waiting here in washington for a shipment to arive. it sucks having to wait knowing it's in other states.

TaurusBullba said:
Can't help you out on where to acquire the keypad. However, like most, I saw pictures of the Tilt and thought the keyboard was quite ugly. But now that it's in front of me, I like it a lot. It makes it much easier to make a quick dash to those number keys.
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I have to agree. When I saw pictures, I thought it was horrible. But then I thought about it... it will be much easier to see the number keys if they stand out so much.

For AT&T Tilt /Kaiser/TyTN II Owners like me....
Well, it was hard for me to get the AT&T Tilt! They advertised (on internet/newspaper articles) that they'd have the phone by Oct. 5th, but I called a gazillion AT&T stores in the Wash. DC area and NONE of them had the phone. The following day, I tried a store in Springfield, VA (1 out of about 15 stores that I called!) and they had the phone! I purchased the phone and I must say that I am happy with it. However, the battery life is not too long (using MSN Messenger, 3G, and Wi-Fi) as the phone must be recharged every 6-8 hours (without talking on the phone!) after using it. It also gets slightly hot/warm!
Now, here are my questions:
- Where in the world is the theme being used on here: http://www.htc.com/support/support_htctytnII.htm My phone only has 4 themes and none of them is the one shown on the page above.
- Where is the "Internet Sharing" program for 3G broadband connectivity (to the laptop)? I think AT&T only included a way of using the phone as a dial-up modem, but NOT as a broadband/3G modem! In the official HTC TyTN II site, they mention a way to connect (via broadband?) to the 3G network by using a program called "3gnetopt.exe" on our laptops and by using a "Internet Sharing" program found on the phone! I could not fine any of these on the CDs that came with my phone! I downloaded the 3gnetopt.exe from this site (xda-developers is the best!), but I do not have the "Internet Sharing" program on my phone. What can I do? Any ideas?
Thank you!!!!

mrneras2 said:
Well, it was hard for me to get the AT&T Tilt! They advertised (on internet/newspaper articles) that they'd have the phone by Oct. 5th, but I called a gazillion AT&T stores in the Wash. DC area and NONE of them had the phone. The following day, I tried a store in Springfield, VA (1 out of about 15 stores that I called!) and they had the phone! I purchased the phone and I must say that I am happy with it. However, the battery life is not too long (using MSN Messenger, 3G, and Wi-Fi) as the phone must be recharged every 6-8 hours (without talking on the phone!) after using it. It also gets slightly hot/warm!
Now, here are my questions:
- Where in the world is the theme being used on here: http://www.htc.com/support/support_htctytnII.htm My phone only has 4 themes and none of them is the one shown on the page above.
That theme is for the TyTn II, not the Tilt. If you want that home screen, read this thread.
- Where is the "Internet Sharing" program for 3G broadband connectivity (to the laptop)? I think AT&T only included a way of using the phone as a dial-up modem, but NOT as a broadband/3G modem! In the official HTC TyTN II site, they mention a way to connect (via broadband?) to the 3G network by using a program called "3gnetopt.exe" on our laptops and by using a "Internet Sharing" program found on the phone! I could not fine any of these on the CDs that came with my phone! I downloaded the 3gnetopt.exe from this site (xda-developers is the best!), but I do not have the "Internet Sharing" program on my phone. What can I do? Any ideas?
You won't need to install anything extra onto your desktop to run Internet Sharing. The program is on the Tilt, but ATT just removed the shortcut to it. Check out the \Windows dir on the phone. You'll find the .exe there for it. Just connect your phone to your desktop via USB or BT and start up Internet Sharing. The drivers should automatically install on the computer and you'll be good to go.
Thank you!!!!
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So, that should do it. Have fun (and be sure to search the site before asking a question).

mikeeey said:
When I get my Tilt I'll wanna purchase the TyTN II's buttons, I just dont know where to get any. someone have an idea?
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www.cnn.cn has they TyTN II Keypad. (click on HTC and then TyTN II) They sell it for 9.99. I have purchased blackberry housings from them before without a hitch.
Edit: Here is a link to the keypad http://cnn.cn/shop/tytn-iitilt-inner-keyboard-p-2058.html

csurfr, this is a great link!
Thank you.
It's especially useful for foreign-language users, who want to engrave their language on the keypad, and the engraving doesn't succeed for some reason.

Fed up and im getting rid of my ameo

After 14 months of of ownership im finally getting rid of my ameo, there have been highs and lows, in some respects it is an excellent device, but the facts are these.
1) it is awkward to use as a phone
2) it is not competent enough to be used as a media device and struggles to play windows media video without the correct drivers for the ATI GPU, (and it seems that HTC dont care enough to try to fix that)
really and truly all the web browsers suck compared to a desktop PC, (but they have come along way in 14 months I have to admit)
the bottom line is this, it tries hard to be a computer but fails, it tries hard to be a phone but fails (so close on both counts and yet so far)
I have now gone and purchased myself a used oqo 01+ at the very knock down price of £288 it is roughly the same size as the ameo but (being a windows XP machine) infinitely more competent, I will be linking it when necessary to my phone (which will hopefully be a vario 4 *hsdpa 7.2Mbps*) when my contract ends in 4 months. At last, I will have an easy to use pocketable phone that I can hold to my ear and a fully fledged 30GB media device when I need it.
I finally see why Leoni did what he did !
PS
Another thing that used to wind me up was the fact that even though the ameo has HSDPA 1.2 mbps it was so slow loading web pages, infact being on wifi made no difference either, but when connected as a modem to my laptop, my laptop connection was really quick, it just made me think if my ameo is capable of passing this speed through to my laptop why can't it use it for itself, and then I realised it must just be yet another limitation with Win mobile.
PPS anybody want to buy an ameo, mint condition as it was replaced under warranty a month ago (including documantation to prove this) however the keyboard is tatty as it was not replaced !
£270 can meet up in london ! boxed with all the usual accessories + a docking cradle charger station + a second battery (now in poor condition)

I think you're the first person since Spacecat to agree with me. I sometimes miss the Ameo and consider buying another but in the end it would just be a toy.
I obtained a TyTn 2 recently (having initially HATED the Vario 3) and with the latest Dutty ROM it really is rather good. The QVGA screen matters little as Opera Mobile does such a stoic job, and browsing is my only cause for a VGA screen.....it would be nice though.
People bring up the size and weight of the TyTn 2 in conversation, which is a nice means of putting me off EVER getting an Ameo again....jeez.
You're right about video quality - the Ameo just doesn't cut it. The TyTn 2 isn't much better - though Coreplayer offers Qtv support for the Qualcomm chipset - but the Ameo only heightens the jerkiness and tearing with its 5" screen. I don't really watch much card-based video anyway, it's usually just Youtube.
Correct me if I'm wrong but the Vario 4 - is that the Touch Pro?
Looks pretty hot, though I imagine some people just won't be happy unless their phone has a 5" screen. Me? I'm going for the Diamond: I've gotten used to the brilliant Diamond touchpad and enjoy using it. Although its memory is not expandable I've decided that 4gb is enough for me; If need be I've got an EEE to watch films on the train in a swankier fashion and conserve precious battery life.
Good luck with your sale sir

TBH I do a lot of streaming from home using ORB, and the ameo just strugles with a service that other phones do so easily ! I prefer the form-factor of the OQO over the eee, but I see why you went in that direction, I am not to fussed on the spec of my new phone, as it is solely going to be a phone/satnav and 7.2 mbps HSDPA modem, the fact is only the Vario 4 and compact 4 (touch diamond I believe) really fit the bill, but I want number buttons instead of a touch screen numeric pad, and a qwerty to text with, hence the vario choice.

ice_coffee said:
TBH I do a lot of streaming from home using ORB, and the ameo just strugles with a service that other phones do so easily ! I prefer the form-factor of the OQO over the eee, but I see why you went in that direction, I am not to fussed on the spec of my new phone, as it is solely going to be a phone/satnav and 7.2 mbps HSDPA modem, the fact is only the Vario 4 and compact 4 (touch diamond I believe) really fit the bill, but I want number buttons instead of a touch screen numeric pad, and a qwerty to text with, hence the vario choice.
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It might seem dreadful to say this...
GULP
but the Iphone 3g might fit the bill for you....that is, if you can live without Winmo.
There's coreplayer so you'll be able to play virtually any video file - no doubt in much better quality than any graphics-driverless HTC device!
A DEDICATED orb client which is absolutely brilliant: no more web-based Orbing, and it happily plays your streams in the background while you check mail, browse etc....
3g and HSDPA which you can share via WIFI adhoc.
GPS (Tomtom is already set for release)
Dedicated bbc iplayer support
And let's not forget it has the best browser and email client available....
And a whole host of companies queuing up to make software for it.
I'm certainly interested in it with so much cool stuff coming out, shame there's no keyboard but the onscreen QWERTY is very good.....
Apologies in advance if my suggestion is offensive to you!

hi there,
Its a shame u feel u need to discard ur Ameo, am a junior hear, regular user of the website but with limited knowledge when it comes cookin rom(s) or dumping application to creat d best application, however i've had my amoe since last october, and only till a couple of months ago when the AP4 rom was released with window 6.1 then that my is d ultimate device:
1) Better Tcpmp player with SUPERB QUALITY VEDIO PLAY BACK,
2) HSDPA is brilliant
3) Support fring application for SUPERB VOIP app.
4) Opera for web browsing
5) Touch flo included but my tots: just a gimik.
6) Mobile Office i used for work
7) Screen with realvga so using Excel is brilliant
8) Google map that works with d built in Gps as i dont drive
9)

leoni1980 said:
It might seem dreadful to say this...
GULP
but the Iphone 3g might fit the bill for you....that is, if you can live without Winmo.
There's coreplayer so you'll be able to play virtually any video file - no doubt in much better quality than any graphics-driverless HTC device!
A DEDICATED orb client which is absolutely brilliant: no more web-based Orbing, and it happily plays your streams in the background while you check mail, browse etc....
3g and HSDPA which you can share via WIFI adhoc.
GPS (Tomtom is already set for release)
Dedicated bbc iplayer support
And let's not forget it has the best browser and email client available....
And a whole host of companies queuing up to make software for it.
I'm certainly interested in it with so much cool stuff coming out, shame there's no keyboard but the onscreen QWERTY is very good.....
Apologies in advance if my suggestion is offensive to you!
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not offensive at all, but I want my next phone to just be a phone with qwerty texting keyboard, (not on iphone) and hsdpa 7.2 (not on iphone)

fair enough! in respect to the 7.2mbps HSDPA, do you think this is a gimmick or will speeds genuinely be upgrading? I still have the same speeds - around 1.2mb - I had when i first got my Hermes/vario 3. Even with the category 6 3.6mbps N95 I never saw any discernible difference.
Just a thought.
I've just bought a Toshiba Portege G900 really cheaply, though I'm hoping i dont suffer the signal problems and glitches other people have. The screen is supposedly really nice (800 by 480) but I'm concerned that I wont be able to install some of my favourite applications because of it. We shall see. I'm starting to think I should settle on one phone for more than 3 months!

I am getting 2-3 Mbps in London (on Voda), which is faster than my home broadband !
It is all about deciding what you want first, and then chosing the device. I love the OQOs, but battery life is just too short, and the Transmeta processors only just about cope. As long as you don't push it too hard, it is a "proper" computer for a couple of hours. Vista on the E2 devices is another matter, grrrrrr so slow. But like the Samsung Q1s and HTC shifts etc, if you MUST have Windows then you have to compromise on battery and speed. If you MUST have all day battery then you compromise on the OS.
Instant on and pretty much all day battery ... ain't many laptops that can do that. And there are none that will fit in your pocket as well. If there were, we would all have one

only Voda offer 7.2 at the mo, and it is restricted to some areas of london ! but there will be more soon, so I might aswell be ready for it ! TBH I could manage without the keyboard so maybe I will go for a compact 3, I would really be happiest with one of the new hsdpa 7.2 LG's or samsungs they have a normal numeric pad, (fine by me) but unless I find one running symbian or win mo I will loose my tomtom, which is NOT acceptable.
I also want something with internet connection sharing, so I can get away with the cheaper data plan.

ice_coffee said:
only Voda offer 7.2 at the mo, and it is restricted to some areas of london ! but there will be more soon, so I might aswell be ready for it ! TBH I could manage without the keyboard so maybe I will go for a compact 3, I would really be happiest with one of the new hsdpa 7.2 LG's or samsungs they have a normal numeric pad, (fine by me) but unless I find one running symbian or win mo I will loose my tomtom, which is NOT acceptable.
I also want something with internet connection sharing, so I can get away with the cheaper data plan.
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Really it sounds like Nokia is the way forward for you. Personally I wouldn't touch Samsungs or Lgs as they are too basic and only have proprietary os's.
If you can cope with 'just' 3.6mbps then how about the N96?
16gb of true usb 2.0 speed storage plus a micro sd cardslot, large screen, wifi connection sharing (via the excellent free walking hotspot solution), flash support from within the browser, better integrated java manager than windows mobile, superb camera, integrated dvb-h player and recorder (though not immediately available in the UK)and its VERY pocketable. worlds away from the Ameo.
Oh and for the record it is now possible to use Tomtom 6 with the integrated GPS with a BINpda app.
It may be that the N96 IS 7.3mbps (category 8) HSDPA capable, the spec isn't too easy to obtain at the moment.
Just another idea for you anyway.

I could maybe live with 3.6 mbps, until my next renewal but it would need to support internet connection sharing, over HSDPA, as far as I know the symbian phones don't ! I want my phone to fool the newtwork into letting me use my laptop/oqo without paying the extra, If I use a nokia I have to set up the dialling properties and account in the browser and it then uses the nokia as a modem ! which is why it needs to be win mo, however I might get a winmo smart phone, im not fussed on a camera my only criteria is
1) HSDPA 3.6/7.2 ICS
2) Easy pocketable phone maybe with a keyboard but defo with a numeric pad
3) Tomtom capable
this limits me to the vario 4 and win mo smart phones !

i'm not entirely sure I follow: there is no way to 'fool' the network with regard to your usage settings. With regard to internet connection sharing on a windows mobile device, ics simply uses the activesync drivers and creates a pseudo ethernet connection. If you use Nokia PC suite then essentially it does the same thing but via the modem utility. there is no difference in speed (despite the option in dial-up settings to alter the baud rate) and as far as the network is concerned you will still be using the same access point - they will not be able to tell whether you're using a Nokia, a windows mobile device or a Samsung D600 other than that you're usage will spike (and technically they could track what browser you are using, whether you are using IM, VOIP etc).
The easiest solution for Nokias is Walkinghotspot, through which ANY device can 'share' your internet connection via wifi. Walkinghotspot uses exactly the same connection as the built-in browser and has support for encryption and power saving. It's also free! the same software is also available on windows mobile.

lol, I guarantee you my friend there is a big difference between tethered mode (phone as a modem ) and internet connection sharing (phone as man in the middle) !
1) Tethered Mode.
You put your internet access settings in to your computer, your computer then uses your phone as a modem, the network operator can tell you are doing this because your phone Identifies it self on the network as inuse as a modem
2) Internet Connetion sharing here your actual phone itself goes on the internet, your laptop does not require any of the settings required to go onto the network because all of this is done by the phone, the phone identifies it self as going on the network directly (not as a modem)
The difference being the networks can charge different rates for going on the internet, either direct on your phone or if your phone is used as a modem for a laptop, Provided they can tell.
T-mobile charge £7.50 for unlimted internet on your phone if you want the ability to connect to your laptop it will cost an extra £5 per month, however using ICS T-mob can't tell as all your requests appear to be coming directly from your phone, not your laptop, and so you can get away with the cheaper rate. as I have been doing for the last 14 months !

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are you sure that's the case? as far as I was aware whatever method you use still connects to the same apn. what I do know is that since april 06 I've been on the standard 7.50 web n walk tarif and have never had a charge for going over my allowance. I have used all manner of different handsets- though mainly nokias - to connect my dell inspiron and eee to the internet. perhaps this will allay your fears. seems like we're both on the same network - good choice!

hmm intresting, how do you connect, are you using bluetooth pan and then getting your laptop to dial *99# or whatever it is to connect over HSDPA
I will try your method and see if I get any data bills !!

Ice Coffee...Wanna Trade?
I have a Tilt, it is used; however, I can have it replaced through the warranty. The only drawback would be that I have the 7200 Chipset (most common) and the new ones have the 7201 (causes problems with the cooked roms, etc) I have a ton of accesories (4gb, 2gb, TomTom 7, North America, Motorola s9 headset, etc...Not sure if you think it is a fair trade but I should be able to sell it on ebay for 270 pounds, so we could go that route also...anyway, if interested, let me know!

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hmm intresting, how do you connect, are you using bluetooth pan and then getting your laptop to dial *99# or whatever it is to connect over HSDPA
I will try your method and see if I get any data bills !!
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I've used bluetooth DUN (not pan) with my EEE - which I've performed a bluetooth mod on - along with walkinghotspot (wifi router software) and standard Nokia OTA software/manual modem setup through windows. On the Nokia calls log you can see a rundown of the flow of information that's gone through the phone (SMS, GSM calls and packet data). No matter what connection sharing option I choose the log only displays 'T-Mobile Internet' and the ingoing, outgoing data quantity. There is no reference on the phone to what means of connection has been used, other than that the APN and password/proxy settings for 'T-Mobile internet' have been used. There is no way the network could tell that I'd connected my phone to my laptop other than by picking up download spikes and the use of certain ports for things such as IM and VOIP.
A friend at T-Mobile however told me (off the record) that T-Mobile tend to turn a blind eye to irregular use unless it starts to get ridiculous. The most you can expect (after 3 consecutive months of misuse) is a letter asking you to curb your use, or a threat to bottleneck your connection. They will NEVER charge you for going over your allowance or for misuse, unlike some networks.
On a separate topic I can also offer you an unlocked TyTn 2 with an eleven month warranty with CEX (and maybe some extra cash for your pocket). Depends how near you are to Derby though! I've got this Portege G900 coming so I was going to sell it anyway.

Leoni, I own a Tytn2 and a Advantage and very much interested on the Portege G900. Let us all know your impressions about the G900 asap.

Orange Internet - Cost of connection

Hi. Well firstly just a quick hello as this is my first post on these forums!
I've just got my HTC Touch HD and think it's a great phone. However I'm having a few interent connection problems. I'm with Orange and have 500mb a month internet with them. I would like my phone to access my home wifi when at home, my work wifi when at work (which is patchy at the best of times) and when these aren't availabe, connect via orange through my phone.
The problem I have is that I woke up this morning to find my Orange Interent had been on all night (Just over 10 hours)........is this eating into my 500mb limit, or do I have to accessing a program for it to run the 500mb down?
Also, does the GPS for tomtom and google maps need interent access?
Thanks for any light you can she don this!

The 500mb is how much you download to your phone for the month. If your orange internet is on all night, but not downloading anything you are fine, if on the other hand, you had a site eg BBC on opera all night, it will eat up each time the page refreshes.. does this make sense?
One tip I do to ensure I only use wireless is to turn off data communication when in the house, so it only picks up my wifi..

Hi
I'd recommend downloading Tweak HD. It's got lots of options to disable Orange internet and wap to stop things like this happening. I was having the same problem until I got this brilliant program.

Ah great.Thanks guys. There wasn't any programs running, so hopefully it wasnt actually downloading etc. I have tried turning the connection off...but it seems to turn itself back on whenever it needed it!
I'll try the HD Tweak program, I've seen it about but not tried it yet.
Thanks again.

Im on Orange aswel and have the 500MB a month package.
I downloaded an app that you can put in your data plan (500MB) for the month and then it gives you a % of your used and your remaining.
Pretty cool app I must say, and i've never maxed that out and I use my phone constantly, 3 e-mail accounts constantly syncing, google maps (latitude), you tube, tomtom, web pages etc.

Hi JayPeg
I dont suppose you remember where you downloaded it? Or what it was called. Sounds like it would help me get used to knowing the limit.
Thanks for your reply

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Im on Orange aswel and have the 500MB a month package.
I downloaded an app that you can put in your data plan (500MB) for the month and then it gives you a % of your used and your remaining.
Pretty cool app I must say, and i've never maxed that out and I use my phone constantly, 3 e-mail accounts constantly syncing, google maps (latitude), you tube, tomtom, web pages etc.
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In future try and provide names of software to help other users otherwise your post is useless.

You can achieve that with SPB Wireless Monitor (http://www.spbsoftwarehouse.com/products/wirelessmonitor/).
They have a 14-day trial to try out the tool.

The HD will always use wifi in preference to 3g, unless you've changed something there.
The problem comes if you don't close apps fully, many of them stick with the same connection they used last. You can demonstrate this with websites like whatismyip.com , note your 3G and wifi ones and do some experiments.

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You can achieve that with SPB Wireless Monitor (http://www.spbsoftwarehouse.com/products/wirelessmonitor/).
They have a 14-day trial to try out the tool.
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SPB Wireless Monitor is useful, but I found there was often up to a 50MB difference (sometimes over, sometimes under) when compared to my Orange Bill. Visiting http://orangeworld.co.uk from your phone will give you an accurate (accurate in terms of what Orange will bill you for anyway and it's also sometimes a little out of date) measurement of network usage.

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Visiting http://orangeworld.co.uk from your phone will give you an accurate (accurate in terms of what Orange will bill you for anyway and it's also sometimes a little out of date) measurement of network usage.
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I only get info on SMS and call timers from there? Any ideas why that might be?