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hi guys, i couldnt help noticing that when i previously used nokia 6600 (symbian s60) they had few 3rd party that is able to make use of their audio mechanism during callls. for example, one software can make selected background noise for opposite callers so they think that u are at a train station for example when infact u r silently at home. another software is an on board answering machine, which after the phone rang for a few times it answer the fonecall with your automated recorded voice and recorded a msg left by the caller on the fone. this is convenient for us so we dont need to call back our voicemail and reduce cost as well as some telco charge to use their voicemail service. im surprised these kind of software have not came out for our windows mobile device when its already available for symbian. im sure it shouldnt be that hard to make it. any coder expert wanna give it a go??
cutefox, what kind of searches have you made for this software on this board? Did you have much luck?
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i already tried commercial such as handango and pocket gear.. even freeware sites also no luck.. jus dun understand why no 1 made one yet.. shouldnt b too hard to make one.. it will be a big market to sell such a software for our ppc phone device now that more devices is coming out..
Cutefox: have you tried searching this board? Let me save you the effort, but it'll be a good idea next time. It's not generally considered possible, at least on WM2003 devices because of both hardware and software limitations. It's not that no one has thought of it before: someone seems to think of it approximately every two days... but there are many many threads on this issue.
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Look at what I said here...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=9761
That sums up why we can't do it using the api's available to us now. The funny thing is the way bluetooth sends the audio stream to a headset. Obviously the data is getting there somehow but I suspect it is not (directly) via windows. Dose anyone know if the radio hardware for bluetooth is connected to the radio hardware for the phone? My guess is that if you could write a program that windows "sees" as a headset then you could get the audio that way. But thats a problem in itself.
I would love this kind of program myself. How is it that such usefull devices with so many capeabilities can be kept secret from us. We can't use the camera, we can't get the cell id on towers, we can't programatically controll the partnerships in blutooth, we cant get the audio stream of our own phone, the events on some ppc's that control brightness are secret..... the list goes on. This kind of #@!!$$ is going to hurt the future of these devices which I otherwise love.
OdeeanRDeathshead: I had read your previous posts, and as ever, very interesting and informative reading. I had the same idea regarding a "dummy" bluetooth device a while back, but mamaich put me in my place!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=179839#179839
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thanks vijay555, thats what I have suspected about the hardware. What I want to do is a bit different. The bluetooth can communicate to many devices at once. If your program could appear to be a headset to the os, then the phone bluetooth hardware could transmit the audio to the headset at the same time your program uses bluetooth to receive it. Kind of like a loop out of the box to bridge the lack of functionality. This shifts the problem to how dose a hardware bluetooth headset communicate. Emulate this and we are on a winner. I don't think I have the willingness to pull my devices appart. I also do not have the money for some of the hardware (eg good digital oscilliscope) that I would need to measure whats going on. I did read that microsoft are about to expose some new api to allow control over the pairing process (but not the audio stream). I hope that we get some soon.
Is there going to be any new (for 2005) free development tools like the evc versions used today?
OdeeanRDeathshead: re eVC, I don't think so. The "express editions" are free, but they specifically omit the functionality to develop "mobile solutions".
Re the loop back. That's a good idea. I think mamaich is our best bet on schematics, I think that would be very helpful. As you "rave", it's mindboggling that Microsoft still haven't revealed or implemented a way to interact with the audio channels. It must have been one of the first things one could imagine doing once you develop a PDA with a phone stuck on the back of it.
Any idea if the bluetooth stacks could support transmitting and receiving simultaneously in this manner? I know some of the boys are working on alternative bluetooth support for the stereo headset profiles, so they might be able to shed some light on the issues involved. I guess the processor overhead could be hefty, but for the benefit it would be beneficial.
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I have MS Voice Command, but it doesn't work very well inside the noisy environment of my car. I would like to dial the number like a regular phone, but the onscreen dialpad has tiny phone buttons. Is there a dialpad software that provides LARGE buttons?
Bigger buttons!
I'm also interested in seeing if this is possible as voice command has trouble recognizing with environmental noise in the car (not even with a headset)
I am surprised that these people forgot that this is a PHONE first, and anything else next.
ssaibal said:
I am surprised that these people forgot that this is a PHONE first, and anything else next.
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no it isn't
pda phones tend to be pdas first then a phone
if you wanted a phone first, you should have gotten a smartphone edition instead
to help with your original question though, try the eten dialer
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=35326&start=0
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=48325&highlight=eten
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no it isn't
pda phones tend to be pdas first then a phone
if you wanted a phone first, you should have gotten a smartphone edition instead
to help with your original question though, try the eten dialer
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=35326&start=0
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=48325&highlight=eten
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I have seen the eten skin and that just widens the buttons a bit, but the height is still very small which doesn't make it easy to hit the buttons accurately. And I disagree with you that it should be a pda first. I purchased this from a cellphone service provider (Cingular) and they sold it as phone with pda functionality.
No no....this is a PDA first then a Phone.....
why do you think a SmartPhone is called a smartphone? because it's a phone first then a pda....but that's neither here nor there...
I would also like to see a larger dialer....perhaps one that takes up the whole screen and all you have is the one number line to show you the numbers you're dialing...
that's cingular's advertising and they can advertise whatever they want and it doesn't make it true. ask any long term / heavy pocket pc phone edition user. they'll tell you it's a pda and the phone part is built around it. windows mobile smartphone edition is a phone with pda functionality, not a pocket pc phone. think about it, why else would there be 2 different windows mobile operating systems? also, if you consider how the pocket pc phone edition came about, you'll know it was basically added to the pocket pc os.
besides the eten i don't know of any other dialer that has much larger keys that supports WM5
looks like i hit the post button a bit late
Thanks for explaining the difference to me. I thank you for that. I wonder if it is quite simple for many of the programmers here to prepare one. I wish someone would.
Hi all,..
On my old Nokia 7650 I had software whichmade my device a answering machine. incomming calls will be automatically picket up after several rings, and the person on the other line can speak into my phone.
This way I didn't needed to call my voicemail, which costs money at T-Mobile NL.
Is there answering machine software available for the WM5 Universal?
Regards
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do a search
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=46301&highlight=
Dude, I know the exact software you mean!!! I use to have a 7650 too, ah the original camera phone, feels like a lifetime of phones ago...
memories..
In any case, the useless thread Hanmin points you too pretty much sums up that due to the OS there is no such software.
My suggestion would be to set the phone to automatically answer calls and use PMRecorder. Ive tested the software a cpl times, it definitely records the other persons side of the call however I was using speakerphone when testing it so...
But give it a go, PMRecorder+Set the phone to auto answer. Thats about the best your gonna get I think.
Bit of a noob question here, but is there a way to use SAP to utilise my cellphone's SIM contacts and network so that when I'm indoors I can text and call on the AMEO and then disconnect when I'm out and about. Currently I have to SIM swap as I don't like making calls on the Ameo in public.
Basically I want my Ameo to act a bit like a RSAP car kit....utilizing my phone's SIM list and transmitter when needed. This would not only be very convenient but would I think make the Ameo's battery last a hell of a lot longer as in my experience GSM/3G drains a lot more power than BT.
could the Ameo do this?
Or is it possible to develop a programme to do this?
I trust that someone out there knows.....
(Both handsets support SAP)
is that a no then?! Surprised noone else has thought of this considering the size of the ameo. Does anyone even know if it's possible to 'trick' the ameo's bluetooth stack into thinking it can act as a handsfree car kit? Or would this fall down to the capabilities of microsoft's stack? Come on people.
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is that a no then?! Surprised noone else has thought of this considering the size of the ameo. Does anyone even know if it's possible to 'trick' the ameo's bluetooth stack into thinking it can act as a handsfree car kit? Or would this fall down to the capabilities of microsoft's stack? Come on people.
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I seem to remember this has been asked before about 3 or 4 months ago and not reply was received then, either (sorry!)
apd said:
I seem to remember this has been asked before about 3 or 4 months ago and not reply was received then, either (sorry!)
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That's a real shame.
Would be nice to develop a little app to allow this, after all it's manipulability and flexibility like this which has allowed the bluetooth protocol to develop the way it has.
Surely someone out there knows whether it is AT LEAST possible. This sort of development would perhaps also form the possibility of using the HTC shift for voice calls if a similar SAP mod can be developed - as this is the only feature the device lacks!
Come on - I'm gagging for someone who knows about this to give an answer.
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That's a real shame.
Would be nice to develop a little app to allow this, after all it's manipulability and flexibility like this which has allowed the bluetooth protocol to develop the way it has.
Surely someone out there knows whether it is AT LEAST possible. This sort of development would perhaps also form the possibility of using the HTC shift for voice calls if a similar SAP mod can be developed - as this is the only feature the device lacks!
Come on - I'm gagging for someone who knows about this to give an answer.
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SAP? You mean the software SAP? I use it with remote desktop. I dont think the software is meant for windows mobile. Also I message my clients using Outlook so there is no real problem. I can be logged into SAP as Admin 24/7 via HSDPA or GPRS.
it was i who created that post about using a SAP profile as a remote phone...
and not a single person chimed in then...
i have done soem extensive research on this subject...
i have found that you need teh development kit for a sim access server (as our phone already has a license)
basicly if someone has a nice car (dump the os) =p
but if we dont have as im access server its not possible...
if someone can get their hands on a sim access server this could very well be a possibility
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SAP? You mean the software SAP? T0I use it with remote desktop. I dont think the software is meant for windows mobile. Also I message my clients using Outlook so there is no real problem. I can be logged into SAP as Admin 24/7 via HSDPA or GPRS.
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No sap in this case means sim access profile. It is the same protocol used by bluetooth car kits which basically allows you to remotely view your contacts and call them or text them remotely. Such a utility would i think be brilliant with the ameo as one could connect to, say a nokia n95 and use its transmitter and phonebook whilst at work or static to make and receive calls and browse the internet, then disconnect when out and about. This would be worlds apart from using a bluetooth headset i think.
Hello Dev. forum,
this is my first posting in this forum, (sounds advanced for me )!
oh well iam wondering if there is already an app. that routes the calls (speech) while the phone is connected to the PC thu USB (activesync) to the PC's Audio device and vice versa from the mic on PC to mobile?
iam aiming to be able to answer calls exactly like in skype on PC and communicate using my PC audio device! without needing to get the mobile out of the docking station!
if it doesnt exist, do you think its feasible? could be a good start for me
have fun
if the bluetooth on the pc support it the pc can be used as a bluetooth handsfree headset for the phone
hey mate, i agree with Rudegar, a friend of mine, uses some similar sort of thing. And, at the end of the day, Feasibility stands nowhere for Developers.
Adieu..
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