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I have Tmo for last 4 years, and a Sidekick device for 2 years (SK1, then upgraded to SK2). Now the SK3 is available, but it won't allow me to connect my laptop to GPRS/G3/EDGE, etc...
So now I am considering switching devices to either a Tmobile MDA or Cingular 8125 Pocket PC in order to connect my laptop to these wireless networks via a CF Bluetooth Wireless Card http://www.socketcom.com/product/BL4539-642.asp.
Cingular has a decent plan at $70/month unlimited, and Tmobile is around $100/month. I just wonder which device performs better for this function, the Cingular 8125 Pocket PC or the Tmobile MDA. I'm told that the Sidekick3 is bluetooth compatible, but the data plan is different than for the other devices because the SK3 uses the manufacturer server connections rather than Tmobile's own network. (This would explain why the SK2/SK3 data plan is unlimited versus the PC notebook datacard plans that Tmobile offers at a higher cost.) I really like the Cingular $70 unlimited plan, and the 8125 Pocket PC, but I am partial to the Sidekick device since it's familiar. In addition, I have Bluetooth stereo headphones (by IoGear) that utilize A2DP, but the reviews of the Cingular 8125 Pocket PC all indicate that it doesn't connect with A2DP. Is there a fix for this?
So back to my original question: Who suggests which device over the other for connecting a laptop to the wireless networks (such as EDGE/G3/GPRS, but not WiFi), and what kind of connection speed would I expect to obtain?
Any feedback and advice appreciated.
First of all the Cingular 8125 and T-Mobile MDA are almost the same device sans the casing.
As far as I have known T-Mobile is trailing Cingular when it comes to the Data Server. While Cingular is getting ready for full 3G connectivity, T-Mobile just launched their EDGE server a couple of months ago.
There is actually a huge difference using a device like a Sidekick and a Pocket PC ... while the Sidekick is fun and really popular here in the US, the Pocket PC is slowly starting to be recognized here ... The Pocket PC is a more versatile device compared to a SideKick aka Danger Hiptop or Blackberry ... While all of them are similar functionality, each device is geared toward a different market. BlackBerry is obviously for the business / corporate crowd while the SideKick is for the student / young mobile users. The pocket pc is on both extremities ... it can be for fun and a serious workhorse ...
I would honestly hold off from getting the 8125 or the MDA (or the rest of the world knows is as the MDA Vario) since there is an upgraded model of these devices called HTC Hermes / TyTn / Qtek 9600 / XDA Trion which offers full 3G capability not like the 8125 and the (US) MDA which only uses EDGE.
From experience, either just bring your mobile device (i.e. pocket pc) and use to surf the net ...(that's how i use my XDA Exec / HTC Universal) or just get a separate data card for your laptop ... then if you want to have internet connectivity on your laptop just move your SIM card to your data card and you won't any bluetooth issues!
with bluetooth headset issues, the original ROM which was shipping with obth MDA and 8125 weren't ready for that but there are updates for these ROMs which make them compatible ...
enjoy!
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I would honestly hold off from getting the 8125 or the MDA (or the rest of the world knows is as the MDA Vario) since there is an upgraded model of these devices called HTC Hermes / TyTn / Qtek 9600 / XDA Trion which offers full 3G capability not like the 8125 and the (US) MDA which only uses EDGE.
enjoy!
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Great information!!! I am going to get the 8125 and unlock it to use with my T-Mobile service in a couple of weeks... Do you think I should also hold out for the HTC Hermes??? When is it comming out??? I wont be using EDGE at all, I will be using Wifi. So do you think it would be worth it for me to wait???
Rjp20
is both those odd very locked sidekicks and blackbarry
mainly a american thing ?
never seen much of them other places
apart from ppl wanting pda's to do push stuff like bbarry can
Hey RJP20,
well, it depends if you are just waiting for Cingular / T-Mobile to release them in the US ..... if you are then you'll wait a LOOOOOOOOONG time ... while if your willing to buy the device without a plan the upgraded version will be available in the next month or so ...
if you are just using the WiFi capability, well it would depend on you, but the upgrade isn't just on 3G but also the processor speed as well. Look into getting a HTC Universal if you want it for surfing the 'net through WiFi ... it has the largest screen ...
i don't really see the point of getting a Cingular 8125 / T-Mobile MDA (Vario) and not using the EDGE/3G capability and just using the WiFi component ... i would rather get the Sony VAIO UX series palm sized PC... well that's my 2 cents worth ...
Hey Rudegar,
Yup you are totally correct. The US market is quite odd when it comes to mobile devices. Actually Sidekicks are just for T-Mobile in the US while Blackberries are locked to a phone carrier which is very odd since the hardware is all the same. Essentially you can unlock all of these phones and uses on either network but a vast majority of users here do not know what is the technology behind the wireless devices.
It's a little more complex here in the US since the rest of the world basically uses GSM/GPRS/EDGE technology, here in the US, 50% of the users are using CDMA devices which is basically a standard which should've been laid to rest because you are limited to whatever devices the carrier sells or if you could find an "unlocked" CDMA phone ...
There is an aggressive marketing plan here in the US to keep the competition between GSM and CDMA at a very high level.... proof? ... well the largest CDMA based carried is Verizon and who owns Verizon? it's one of the biggest GSM carriers in the world - Vodafone ... The only way Vodafone would be able to get into the US Market was to use CDMA technology and not GSM according to the government.
Just out of curiosity, why do think there will be such a long wait for Cingular/T-Mobile to release Hermes in the U.S. associated with plans?
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Hey RJP20,
There is an aggressive marketing plan here in the US to keep the competition between GSM and CDMA at a very high level.... proof? ... well the largest CDMA based carried is Verizon and who owns Verizon? it's one of the biggest GSM carriers in the world - Vodafone ... The only way Vodafone would be able to get into the US Market was to use CDMA technology and not GSM according to the government.
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not to come on strong but if you really knew where verizon came from you wouldnt be saying that. verizon is one part of the former AT&T or as it is referred to as MA BELL. if that isnt enough infrmation then i suggest google. cingular was also born out of this.
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Hey RJP20,
There is an aggressive marketing plan here in the US to keep the competition between GSM and CDMA at a very high level.... proof? ... well the largest CDMA based carried is Verizon and who owns Verizon? it's one of the biggest GSM carriers in the world - Vodafone ... The only way Vodafone would be able to get into the US Market was to use CDMA technology and not GSM according to the government.
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not to come on strong but if you really knew where verizon came from you wouldnt be saying that. verizon is one part of the former AT&T or as it is referred to as MA BELL. if that isnt enough infrmation then i suggest google. cingular was also born out of this.
I am very excited to see all the great work that has been done to achieve voice+data on the AT&T Galaxy Tab (and T-Mobile). I am a VZ customer, and have been for 6+ years. I was hoping to pickup a VZ GT, and be able to use voice on it (at some point), but going to the AT&T store tonight and playing with a GT has made me far too impatient to wait. I want my GT now!
Leading into my question..
As I have no relationships with AT&T, I have no idea their plans, pre-pay options, etc., not to mention what will work best for the GT. I want to know what is the best way to setup a plan and get a SIM that I am going to be able to use in an AT&T device to achieve voice+data.
Thank you, and I hope forthcoming answers will be of assistance to all the others out there like myself!
Need more info. How heavy do u use internet? 250MB is $25+voice plan i believe, 39.99.
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Need more info. How heavy do u use internet? 250MB is $25+voice plan i believe, 39.99.
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Fairly heavy, and I can only see it going up with the GT. The voice - not a ton. Something like 200 minutes per month. I doubt that wold be increasing.
After reading around, I think the best solution for me is going to be:
AT&T Galaxy Tab
SIM Unlock
Voice Hack
Simple Mobile $60/mo plan for 'unlimited everything'/
cafcwest said:
After reading around, I think the best solution for me is going to be:
AT&T Galaxy Tab
SIM Unlock
Voice Hack
Simple Mobile $60/mo plan for 'unlimited everything'/
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Don't know if this is apparent from their website, but Simply Mobile is a T-Mobile reseller, so you won't get 3G data from them... only EDGE.
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Don't know if this is apparent from their website, but Simply Mobile is a T-Mobile reseller, so you won't get 3G data from them... only EDGE.
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For my needs right now, I think EDGE is going to be ok.
As this is a device I "want", but dont have to "have", I can take some time and keep looking for a better way to make this work the way I want though.
I see it nowhere displayed, so i am fearing that no there is not. I don't understand why they would leave such a thing out, a tablet is not a tablet in my opinion until it's full media hub, i.e. i need to be able to anything with it, including making calls.
I'd buy it in a heartbeat, if it would have. It does have SIM slot for the data connection obviously, and seeing android is an open platform, if the motorola does not have the capability, would any future open source updates do have it ?
GSM-capabilities are so 2010. 2011 is the year of Google Voice.
I never knew people were planning on using their tablets to entirely replace their phones. And apparently Verizon nor T-Mobile was either =/
This simply sounds redundant. In my opinion this is in no way what they are for.
Could you imagine holding this thing up to your head?
Will there be a GSM version of this tablet? not just CDMA
not asking to use it as a phone, but connecting to the internet...
I am curious too. Can I use 3G services from a GSM service provider or will I have to necessarily use a CDMA provider????
The Xoom will also be released in the UK, where GSM is used. Therefore, there will be a GSM version.
From the UK's where I'm going to order my Xoom from, as as always, a Dutch release will take far too long.
I'm just going to use my galaxy s tethering on it to get internet if no wifi is available.
I'm a little drunk tonight. You tether with your galaxy s? I'm going to tether my xoom with my weiner
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i would like to know do you guys actually use it as a phone or do you guys have 2 sim card? (one for your phone and one for 7.7)
i am not going to have 2 sims as it is too expensive for me and if i wana switch the sim from my desire hd to 7.7 i will need to switch off my phone which is very inconvenient. Which makes me think that even if i have the phone feature will i actually use it? or should i just get the wifi version and connect to the internet through my phone.
also if i wana insert/remove sim for the 7.7 do i have to switch off the tab?
thank you guys
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i would like to know do you guys actually use it as a phone or do you guys have 2 sim card? (one for your phone and one for 7.7)
i am not going to have 2 sims as it is too expensive for me and if i wana switch the sim from my desire hd to 7.7 i will need to switch off my phone which is very inconvenient. Which makes me think that even if i have the phone feature will i actually use it? or should i just get the wifi version and connect to the internet through my phone.
also if i wana insert/remove sim for the 7.7 do i have to switch off the tab?
thank you guys
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The Tab will restart by itself when you insert a SIM. You can turn off packet data for your Desire while the SIM is in another device and use it on wifi.
For myself, I've not bothered to use the 7.7 as a daily phone since I like to walk around unencumbered. But, for short weekend trips and the like it is useful to just have one all-purpose device.
burhanistan said:
The Tab will restart by itself when you insert a SIM. You can turn off packet data for your Desire while the SIM is in another device and use it on wifi.
For myself, I've not bothered to use the 7.7 as a daily phone since I like to walk around unencumbered. But, for short weekend trips and the like it is useful to just have one all-purpose device.
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i agreed especially if the phones battery died lol
thanks for your reply
K999rrl said:
i would like to know do you guys actually use it as a phone or do you guys have 2 sim card? (one for your phone and one for 7.7)
i am not going to have 2 sims as it is too expensive for me and if i wana switch the sim from my desire hd to 7.7 i will need to switch off my phone which is very inconvenient. Which makes me think that even if i have the phone feature will i actually use it? or should i just get the wifi version and connect to the internet through my phone.
also if i wana insert/remove sim for the 7.7 do i have to switch off the tab?
thank you guys
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No need for 2 Sims as long as your sim has both data and voice you are good to go.
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No need for 2 Sims as long as your sim has both data and voice you are good to go.
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I think the question was more was it worth it to have a data-enabled 7.7 when they already have an Android phone with a data plan and if the phone functionality of the 7.7 was a compelling reason to get it over the 6810 model.
It's really a choice that you'll have to make yourself based on your usage and finances. If you can use your phone as a hotspot for the 7.7 and don't ever plan on using it to make voice calls (you can still use various apps to make calls with your Google Voice account over wifi). But, charges for a separate data plan can add up and may not be worth it. I have a SIM from my work-provided Elevate hotspot so I use that with the 7.7, but if I didn't have that comped I'd probably go without a second plan.
Bottom line, in this case I would probably spend the extra money to get the 6800 over the 6810. The 6800 works fine over wifi without a SIM (although it will have an annoying message on the stock lockscreen about it). Then, you'd have that full functionality when you needed to use it with your phone's SIM.
I still have a phone and this tablet mainly because i don't wanna part with my good sprint sero plan. However for now i do have a tablet data plan for the 7.7 and i have made a call or 2 using a voip client and it worked no problem.
I use my 7.7 as a daily driver because I'm usually just sitting at work most of the time anyway. If I know I'm going to be on the move, I can just as easily swap my SIM into my GS2 or Note instead, and leave the 7.7 at home. It's nice having options!
I am using my 7.7 with a data only sim which I got from my cable/ISP company for free. On my phone I only have a 100 MB/Month data plan (using it only for e-mail and this plan is more than enough) and I am using the tablet for internet browsing and entertainment.
IMHO if you already have a data enabled phone and a good data plan it is not worth to spend extra cash for a 3G enabled 7.7, as u can use the phone as a hotspot
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regius said:
I am using my 7.7 with a data only sim which I got from my cable/ISP company for free. On my phone I only have a 100 MB/Month data plan (using it only for e-mail and this plan is more than enough) and I am using the tablet for internet browsing and entertainment.
IMHO if you already have a data enabled phone and a good data plan it is not worth to spend extra cash for a 3G enabled 7.7, as u can use the phone as a hotspot
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Man, I wish my ISP would give me a data SIM for free. I need to remind myself that I calibrate my cost/value estimates based on the BS that US carriers require, and not every country is like that.
Tab 7.7 with 3G sim + HTC HD2 Android with 3G sim. My ISP has a neat deal where for an extra $10SGD/mth, I get to use an additional sim that shares the data of my main plan.
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Geez, thanks for all the reminders that US telecoms are complete rip-offs [REDACTED RANT ABOUT CAPITALISM]
I have the Gnote using my ATT sim card (from my previous Atrix).
Im paying for the 2G data plan along with my 700 minutes phone plan.
On weekends, I pull the Note's sim and put it in my 7-7.....
I have no problems as the 7.7 does fit in my pocket about 90%.
All is well!!! I like it this way!
good luck.....
same here
Theory said:
Tab 7.7 with 3G sim + HTC HD2 Android with 3G sim. My ISP has a neat deal where for an extra $10SGD/mth, I get to use an additional sim that shares the data of my main plan.
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Same here exept my provider delever 2 extra 3g simcard for free. If this was not the case i dont think i would buy another plan for the tab
I got a multi sim plan from my provider in Singapore. Basically it's 2 sim card tied to the same mobile number. I put one into my mobile and another one in the tab and from there I share both outgoing voice and data on a single mobile plan. I do need to select one of my device as the primary incoming phone and this can be easily switched by sending a short code through the phone which I want to designate as the primary phone. With this I use my tab as my phone on weekends.
How well does this Tab work for any of you that use it as a daily driver? I'm SERIOUSLY thinking about trading my GSM GNex off for one, and just use it for a daily driver. I thought about the 7.0 Plus, but this is so much better specced, and the size difference is fairly negligible between this Tab and the 7.0 Plus, so why not go with the better version? I figure a set of headphones, like the Klipsch S4a, and I'm in business.
I have one simcard at the moment in the tab, and haven't used my HTC Desire in a week.
But I consider putting the card back in the Desire and get a prepaid dataplan for 14.99 a month with 5GB at 3g speed and unlimmited GPRS.
I would recommend getting the 3g version of the 7.7 because the signal reception is better than a phone because of the increased size. I was on holiday recently and I could not get a reliable high speed Internet connection on my Note where I was staying so tethering was not possible, but I got a good high speed connection on the 7.7. Also, with a 3g version of the 7.7 it can act as a backup phone and allow the 7.7 and phone to use the Internet independently.
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I would recommend getting the 3g version of the 7.7 because the signal reception is better than a phone because of the increased size. I was on holiday recently and I could not get a reliable high speed Internet connection on my Note where I was staying so tethering was not possible, but I got a good high speed connection on the 7.7. Also, with a 3g version of the 7.7 it can act as a backup phone and allow the 7.7 and phone to use the Internet independently.
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I bought a One X, but still considering this. I take it you love the 7.7 for all around use? How awkward was it as a DD?
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I bought a One X, but still considering this. I take it you love the 7.7 for all around use? How awkward was it as a DD?
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The 7.7 is very good for all round use and the screen resolution is a vast improvement over the original P1000 which makes it much better for Web browsing, watching videos etc. It is also very portable because of the 7" format and slim design and can easily be carried in ladies handbags or large pockets.
However, there are certain situations with any Tablet or smart phone where it is not possible to zoom Internet pages making it very difficult to select items using fingers for example when selecting items on financial charts when trading. You can overcome this problem by using a Bluetooth mouse or wired mouse and USB adapter. I would like Samsung to add their S-Pen to the 7.7 like the Note which would solve the problem without the need to carry extra hardware.
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The 7.7 is very good for all round use and the screen resolution is a vast improvement over the original P1000 which makes it much better for Web browsing, watching videos etc. It is also very portable because of the 7" format and slim design and can easily be carried in ladies handbags or large pockets.
However, there are certain situations with any Tablet or smart phone where it is not possible to zoom Internet pages making it very difficult to select items using fingers for example when selecting items on financial charts when trading. You can overcome this problem by using a Bluetooth mouse or wired mouse and USB adapter. I would like Samsung to add their S-Pen to the 7.7 like the Note which would solve the problem without the need to carry extra hardware.
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Thanks. Yeah, if Sammy wants to differentiate, S-Pen at 5.3,7.7,and 10.1 makes sense. I would just buy the Note, but kind of curious about this year's model.
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Hi!
I am going to switch to sprint from AT&T because I lost my job. I am going to get onto my mother-in- law’s plan because my wife is already on it. They have a family plan so I was just going to jump onto their plan to save money.
The only problem is that I have a Dell Streak and am so in love with it. I have the awesome stock unlocked factory ROM on it and can tether with an unlimited data plan. It’s a great phone but does seem a little out dated by being a little slow. Also I am tired of paying 85.00 a month for unlimited mobile to mobile, unlimited data, and unlimited testing. I know it’s a decent deal but money is tight at the moment.
The only solution so far is to go to sprint because that is what my wife and mother-in-law are have. The only close phone that sprint has that is close to what I have is the Samsung Galaxy S II Epic 4G. The phone would be 19.95 a month and 10.00 a month for the data for that phone. I am wondering if there is a huge ROM support group for the Galaxy S II if I wanted to say put Ice Cream Sandwich on it stock style with unlock tethering with the sprint network. I know some networks make it real hard to change your ROM’s phone.
The other choice would be just to go with the Samsung Replenish because it seems like a decent phone and has Android capabilities but I just think I would find myself depressed going from an extreme mod phone like the Dell Streak to the Samsung Replenish.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Let me know the ins and outs of moding a Galaxy S II on the Sprint network. And what phone you think would be best. You think the extra 10.00 is worth the Galaxy S II? I just think I will be going for the Galaxy S II because that is what I am used to.
Side note is that I am 8 months from my contract expiring with AT&T and have unlimited data smartphone plan. I was thinking about using an extra lame old phone that I have laying around the house and taking of my data plan by calling in and say I do not have it any more I just have a basic phone and ask them to remove my data plan. This was when I port my number over to Sprint they will only charge me the basic termination fee than the more expensive one because I had a smartphone. Do you think this would work?
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If you get the GT-19100 model then development is awesome, there are new roms and themes every day. I moved from Dell Streak to Galaxy SII, the only thing I miss is 160dpi being readable
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How do you know if you get that model? check the back of it? do you get that one at the Sprint store?
I have not bought one yet. I could call and ask or go by there and ask to see the one in the box before I get it.
Also do you think its a big deal to give up my unlimited data plan on AT&T?
Are the brand new ones in the stores today the GT-19100 model? Also are the white ones GT-19100?
I called the store and they say its the D710? Is that an entirely different model?
Thats the unlocked version and is not compatible with Sprint!
Why give up your streak? Check slickdeals, fatwallet or howard forums to learn about mvno's. Straight talk is 45 unlimited everything on at&t. You have to sign up in a particular state to avoid tax. Otherwise simple mobile is unlimited everything on tmobile's network for 40. Both these mvno's supposedly have fine print on data usage but everyone says they don't care if you abuse the data usage.
Personally I use H20 another at&t mvno. I use groove ip the majority of the day since I have wifi and I just switch my phone out of airplane mode when I'm not near wifi. I know there's a tasker app for this... H20 has a cheap plan that is 100 up front for the year for 2000 min and data.
There's also page plus which I've set up a lot of people on- they use verizon's network- no unlimited data but they have the best plan for 30.
Could I use my Streak on any of those carriers?
The i9100 is the International version which is unavailable at any carrier. You will have to buy it outright off ebay or somewhere like that....Any other model has límited ROM development....
I have one and love it but the ICS roms are still buggy
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Are the brand new ones in the stores today the GT-19100 model? Also are the white ones GT-19100?
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There is the GT-19100 which is the one you'll find in Europe and America, then there's an GT-19100G which has a different graphics chip, it is not as powerful as the original. It says under the battery cover, there's a lot more development for the original, the G lacks devs. You can unlock any Galaxy phone from an app in the market too
That link that you posted was for the Galaxy S I not the II.
Sprint is getting the Galaxy Nexus soon.
Will that have good 4G LTE? Should I wait for the rumored Galaxy Note? Or should I just get the Nexus 4G LTE?
When you root it or flash a new ROM does it give you portable wireless hot spot?
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When you root it or flash a new ROM does it give you portable wireless hot spot?
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Mine had that without having to root it
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S 2 is fast and good device with TONs of custom ROMs