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I have the Official T-mobile Windows Mobile 2003 ROM!!!!

I have in my power right now which is supposedly the final T-mobile Windows mobile 2003 release.
From the source that I got it from:
I got my hands on a T-Mobile 2003 release for PPCPE!
This is a pretty complete build, and it also updates your radio stack.
Usual disclaimers apply.
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I tried doing it but it tells me that my device is not compatible with the program. I'm guessing is because I'm running the 2003 version that is been circling around the web. Also, I have the AT&T Radio Stack update. I'll try to Restore the original ROM, and then upgrade tomorrow.
One weird thing though, the readme file looks like like the last upgrade that they did (old). It menctions that updates the Media Player to 8.5, whereas the WM2K3 has the WMP 9.0, hmmmm...weird.
Whoever wants to try it, and gives me his FTP server in the next 20 min gets it! is late and I'm going to sleep, if not I'll send it to you guys tomorrow

Update!!!, I couldn't wait and I did the upgrade!!!
once you downgrade things get easier.
Bootimage that says T-mobile "Test Only Not for Sale" :lol:
Rom Version 4.00.10 ENG
ROM date: 06/20/03
Radio Version: 6.24.00
Microsoft Pocket PC Version 4.20.1081 (Build 13100)
I will keep updated!! As I play with it
UPDATE:. One of the programs included is ClearVue PDF and ClearView Presentation. Also AOL AIM!
Also, in the Network settings, there is an "auto pick" and the regular GPRS and VPN GPRS
GPRS is ZIPPPPY!!!
The OS seems very stable and fast, of course, I don't have anything installed. I gotta get some sleep, so, I'll catch up tomorrow, (or later for that matter)

What is the difference from the version 4.00.05 that is available here on the forum? Is it better or more stable (less bugs)?
You think I can flash the just the ROM of T-Mobile version over my xda Asian version without flashing the radio stack?
Does it have the Media Player 9 or still 8.5? And if it's the official release, why does it say "Test only not for sale" on the boot up screen?
Thanks in advance.

Yorch, can you temporary put it in your website??
by the way, its down for quite awhile already right?? what happened??

Thanks to Yorch:
ftp://ftp.alain-net.net
Usr: xda
Pwd: xda
There are 2 ROMs there:
- official-tmo2003.rar (the exe with Radio update)
- 4.00.10 NK.nbf.zip (only the ROM (nk.nbf) without the Radio part)
EDIT:
I haven't tested TMO2003 myself, so be carefull, especially on a non-Tmobile phone because ther is a RADIO update included inside. Maybe we can split the package, but I have to check that later.
(Thanks ejdmoo)

Remember people, this next release from Tmobile includes a radio update. This is the realm where "just reflash with a different ROM" doesn't work.

Remember people, this next release from Tmobile includes a radio update. This is the realm where "just reflash with a different ROM" doesn't work.
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Are you saying you can't just use the extracted NK.nbf file on its own to do a SD flash?

You can do that, but don't run the EXE if you do not want to update your radio stack.

Radio 6.24.00... so it's 900/1900, right?

Gave it a quick try but going back to 4.00.05.
Problems with phone part, no GPRS signal. and obvious T-Mobile branding.
Was interested in AIM but was not built into ROM or at least I couldn't see it :roll:

ZeroXtreme said:
What is the difference from the version 4.00.05 that is available here on the forum? Is it better or more stable (less bugs)?
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Supposedly yeah, is newer as you can see by the number (4.00.05--->4.00.10)
You think I can flash the just the ROM of T-Mobile version over my xda Asian version without flashing the radio stack?
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I don't see why not, I will try to extract the ROM image later, when I get home. We might be able to cook it too in the kitchen
Does it have the Media Player 9 or still 8.5? And if it's the official release, why does it say "Test only not for sale" on the boot up screen?
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Yeah, is Windows Mobile 2003, so It does have WMP9, the readme file I guess Is just the old one, this file is not the Final and Official Release, is the T-mobile release of it, I'm guessing is the Pre-release version and used for testing, and you should considered as such. (if you want to only run whatever is official then don't run it, But If you want to be in the bleeding edge then go ahead and do it). I'm assuming once they are ready for prime time, they will rewrite the Readme file, and take out the bootimage "Test only".
Yorch, can you temporary put it in your website??
by the way, its down for quite awhile already right?? what happened??
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Unfortunately, I'm using my current ISP (Earthlink), which only gives you 10MB of space and limited bandwidth, If someone would be willing to donate Webspace (around 10MB) I would certainly appreciate it (and the community too). I would love to host all the ROMS for people to have a central location and easy access to them, and have a kitchen where people can customize their own ROM, but unfortunately, I don't have the space
Was interested in AIM but was not built into ROM or at least I couldn't see it
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Yeah, is not ovbious, is in the \Windows directory, just create a shortcut to Programs, and that's it. (is pretty much the same as PAC-MAN was hidden in the 1st ROM release [OZONE].

I've alreay extracted the nk.nbf and put it on my FTP.
My FTP is limitted to 5 connections and 45 Kbyte/s. So it is a little slow because when there are 5 users connected you should get around 9KBps. But I guess you guys (and girls ) don't mind since my FTP has continually 5 connections since I put it on my FTP.

Another news from the source of this file:
I got this from a source deep in Tmobile land. I was told this is VERY close the the final release they'll make in August. It is WM2003 that has been customized for tmobile.
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How do you install a RAR file?
I have searched for this info on google and on xda and I cannot find.
Thank you in advance.

You can open it with Winrar or Powerarchiver and a lot of other compression programs.
Good luck

Upgrades
It is posted at http://www.romanweb.com/yorch/official-tmo2003.rar as well. If someone can get me a copy of the .nbf file or if I can get it from the listed ftp then I will post it as well.

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andygee said:
It is posted at http://www.romanweb.com/yorch/official-tmo2003.rar as well. If someone can get me a copy of the .nbf file or if I can get it from the listed ftp then I will post it as well.
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Ok nbf is there now as well.
http://www.romanweb.com/yorch/nk.nbf

Question...?
I have a question, if I load up the test rom on my T-Mo, will I be able to load the final release without a hitch or should i back up my orignal rom before??

Its always a good idea to backup your ROM and I strongly suggest doing so!

one question, I got an XDA with me, I know I will **** up my radio by loading in the PPC 2003 final edition..is there anyway which i can run the update without upgrading the radio stack??
thanks

Always on line for xda 1??

Any body knows for xda 1, you can keep checking new mail arrival through GPRS?
I heard people using xda 2 can do that. But is there any chance xda 1 can do the same thing?
Actually, when u do the setting for POP account, it ask u to set how many minutes to check for new messages. But it never work because the GPRS will close automatically.
Thanks very much. :?

Sure it can be done!
Take a look at:
http://www.o2.co.uk/productsservices/xda/romupgrade/0,,170,00.html
BTW the above is one of many!
also where are you located?
HTH

I am using the most updated PPC2002 version already. (3.20.06 ROM and 4.21 Radio)
Do u mean I have to upgrade to PPC2003?
I doubt that because they are not very stable for me to use in Hong Kong so far from other guy's comments in this website.
Thanks very much.

chris_khho said:
I am using the most updated PPC2002 version already. (3.20.06 ROM and 4.21 Radio)
Do u mean I have to upgrade to PPC2003?
I doubt that because they are not very stable for me to use in Hong Kong so far from other guy's comments in this website.
Thanks very much.
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Since you're already running the latest upgrade its suppose to work but since it doesn't I would have to say that your always-on settings are at fault. So go to Start, Settings, Connections and make sure that its set to not disconnect.
HTH

Are you sure that it is also for xda1 ?
I can't locate that "not disconnect" setting.
Please clarify.
Thanks so much.

chris_khho said:
Are you sure that it is also for xda1 ?
I can't locate that "not disconnect" setting.
Please clarify.
Thanks so much.
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It should say some thing like this:
GPRS connection to remain active once the device enters power save mode.
At least it does on the PPC 2002 latest AT&T ROM and the XDA developers Special Edition ROM v1.2. (which is bases on the O2 3.17.03 ROM).
HTH

That's really strange for my O2 xda!
I only found a setting called GPRS Suspend Mode setting.
It said,
When you are in power-saving mode, do you want to:
- Keep GPRS connection
- End GPRS connection
I clicked on the first one.
Then I close it, and connect to GPRS.
Just for a while, the connection ends by itself.
Any thought?
Thanks a lot again.

Yeap thats the correct setting and the same one I'm speaking of!
I read a lot of bad reports about the 4.21 radio stack so it might be at fault.
Maybe you should think about upgrading to the Qtec radio stack, heard nothing but good reports on that one.
The Qtek 1010 Radio Stack Upgrade can be found at:
http://www.carrierdevices.com.au/downloads.php?region=Asia Pacific
Download Radio Upgrade File : RSUv1.15_(GPRS_T32500_ENG).exe
BTW read the WARNING.
BTW do you have a URL for that newer o2 ROM, I'd like to install it and see if it does the same for me/
HTH

Here it is.
http://www.myxda.com/web/template/SoftwareUpgradeIntroduction.vm
BTW, I am a bit nervous to install the radio file cause I have bad experience that almost kill my phone.
Is it really okay just to install the radio file?

chris_khho said:
Here it is.
http://www.myxda.com/web/template/SoftwareUpgradeIntroduction.vm
BTW, I am a bit nervous to install the radio file cause I have bad experience that almost kill my phone.
Is it really okay just to install the radio file?
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Like I said I've heard nothing but good reports on upgrading to this radio
stack (no failed upgrades have been reported but as with any upgrade there is always a possibility). :wink:
BTW thanks for the link!
HTH

Hi Qman,
Have u tried to update that ROM?
Is there the same problem?

chris_khho said:
Hi Qman,
Have u tried to update that ROM?
Is there the same problem?
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Unable to download, it kept asking for a IMEI.
You wouldn't happen to have the direct download link would you?

Oh! I didn't realize that...sorry.
I am still a bit nervous for upgrading (or is it actually downgrading) to the i-mat ROM.
If it is downgrading, I will definitely not try that...

Hi Qman,
I just notice that Yorch.net got the 3.20.06 ROM.
Also they have the 4.00.21 ROM (pre-release T-Mobile version). Is it for the US market only?
Chris

hi; Are you sure that Yorch.net got the 3.20.06 ROM??? Can't find it. I have downgraded my XDA yesterday from the kitchen wm2003 because of bugs to kitchen 2002 but it says 3.17.03 and not the one you mention???!!!

Hey,
That's not from the "kitchen". It's from the "upgrade" just under "kitchen". Check it out again and you will find it.
Anybody knows that 4.00.21 is good for o2 xda?
Chris

hmmm, currently I am using it
so far so good but there is one major BUT for me - most possibly that version makes wipe out my 256MB SD card every up to 48 hours
for me it is a major .... item
regards,
monika

That's terrible. What about the GPRS and phone reception?
To be honest, I won't use it if it will wipe off the sd contents every 2 days.
Have you tried to burn again?

so far GPRS is not working ....
but that is due local GSM provider that has some complicates setup as to make GPRS to work, phone recption is ok ... I am living in area where virtually all GSM phones had reception problems (i.e. majority of nokia phones), although in a city center it is perfect ....
just for you to know ... I have received a link from one of the group members for the most recent update - look there for details :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=4556&highlight=4+01+00
regards, monika

Thanks very much for your reply.
But I think that Upgrade exe file is for US only cause that include the radio upgrade as well.
So, are you able to downgrade your 4.00.21 easily?
I am not sure whether its worth to downgrade your device to 3.20.06 to see whether its a real problem with SD card. And to upgrade it to 4.00.21 again to verify it. It may happen only at some occasion as you know electronic device can never guarrentee functioning 100%.
Hope you can fix your device.
Cheers

New Kitchen online....

Hello XDA-Users.
Now i´ve got my new internet connection and i think it´s time to share it with you. I set up a ROMkitchen for the good old XDA I.
It might me an alternative to the kitchen of Yorch.
In the moment i would say my kitchen is not perfect, but who is perfect?
The workspaces are limited, since i´m only using an good old PII with 266Mhz and 64MB RAM. Maybe in the future i will upgrade it.
Also there is a limitation in "Opening Hours". It will be available from Mo. - Fr, 8pm - 8am and all of the weekend. Timezone is Europe / Berlin.
If you´re out of time you will see it soon, with an different layout.....
If there are problems, hints, or wishes concernign the kitchen, please write me an PM.
The Link to the Kitchen is:
http://lumpistefan.dyndns.org/
Hope it will work allt he time....
Stefan
PS: Who wants me to add some software or maybe will donate me some better hardware can contact me via Email [email protected]

Thank you, but where can I find a french rom ?

THis is cool alternative to Yorch site
Which ROM is the original AT&T WM2003 (i.e. not BETA/ Test version)?
Are the software such as Omegaone BatteryPack , Spb softwares etc. etc. demo version or already registered?
thanks

is it just me or does this thing take along time to make a rom ive tried 2 times waited like 10 min but nothing still says making rom....

kitarolivier said:
Thank you, but where can I find a french rom ?
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Don´t know where you find a french rom....
But i´m also interested to insert it into my kitchen....
andhy said:
THis is cool alternative to Yorch site
Which ROM is the original AT&T WM2003 (i.e. not BETA/ Test version)?
Are the software such as Omegaone BatteryPack , Spb softwares etc. etc. demo version or already registered?
thanks
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The software are the demo-Version, so you need to registrate dem to use it unlimited....
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is it just me or does this thing take along time to make a rom ive tried 2 times waited like 10 min but nothing still says making rom....
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That´s what i meant with poor Hardware.
Just in teh moment i´ve got:
Load Averages 3.66 3.81 3.03
I think it will be better using an faster processor and more RAM.
If anyone have better hardware and a fine Internetconnection, I will help to transfer this Kitchen to him.
I preffer an Debian Linux to install it....
HTH
Stefan

no worries working now downloading as i speak lol crappy 56k modem i blame lol :roll:

wow how did u manage to fit Voice Command and Calligrapher in there,, not sure if they work as i an still cooking mine (as i type) but when i chech/uncheck the s/w it does not affect the rom usage???
tagenda !! excellent today plugin plz try to add it if possible is a freeware
http://www.freewareppc.com/utilities/tagenda.shtml
also total commander (excellent file browser) http://www.freewareppc.com/utilities/totalcommander.shtml

If those file sizes are correct they wont fit into the available space, I have chosen the voice command and the available space stays the same, it will be interesting to see what kind of it produces. Regarding the tomtom, how will the reg code work if its in rom, and also how will it be affected when updates from tomtom have to be applied.

built my rom and 100% totally happy with it cheers LumpiStefan for allowing me to make one
one program the kitchen could really do with....
Button plus v2.0 from yorchs site in thedownlaods section
i dont think voice commands or the vb files will fit into the rom
also no point in putting tomtom gps in as when you come to update it you wont be able to meaning a new rom will have to be cooked without this in
cant get connect 4 or snake to work even with the runtime file things they just dont load up
but great work man keep it up

If you want to add software that requires a key, you have to add the complete "group" firts. if you don`t select "add Software that needs to register" the sotware won´t be added, and because of this, the required space won´t change....
HTH
Stefan

Hi, can you describe which rom works with O2/europe T-mobile and which rom is for USA market?
thx

Hi,
I just cooked my own rom, and added GPRS-Monitor and Pocketplus. Pocketplus is installed correctly, including the today-plugin, GPRS-Monitor works, but without the today-plugin. Is there anybody out who can tell me how to get the plugin?
Bye, Dennis.

GSM tools said:
Hi, can you describe which rom works with O2/europe T-mobile and which rom is for USA market?
thx
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All this ROMS are working with all the devices. Difference between Europe and USA are the radio stacks, that ar not included with the ROM...
HTH
Stefan

ok, so the latest rom A.30.09 ENG is safe flash to any device XDA1?
LumpiStefan said:
GSM tools said:
Hi, can you describe which rom works with O2/europe T-mobile and which rom is for USA market?
thx
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All this ROMS are working with all the devices. Difference between Europe and USA are the radio stacks, that ar not included with the ROM...
HTH
Stefan
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Will you be adding the official WM2003 upgrade from Siemens/ATT.

cruisin-thru said:
Will you be adding the official WM2003 upgrade from Siemens/ATT.
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The A30.09 must be the official VErsion from Siemens/AT&T....
Stefan

My eyes are failing or something, I see it now, thanks.

Thanks. I've been looking for 4.01.00 in a Kitchen.

Please help as the d/l button never appears.

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Bah, I click the button to build the ROM, it goes through the making process... then nothing . I dunno about it being slow, but I left it overnight. It'd be faster to row a boat over there, copy it onto my USB disk and row back.
How can I get this kitchen to work?
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why dont u freaking do it... get the boat out and set SAIL
this guy is trying to contribute for free... and spending his time/money for ur benifit and u still complaiin... ppl have managed to get ROMS, i have too so obviousely it seems to be USER ERROR!!!
plz get a life and be more polite, ask what us did wrong instead of blaming the kitchen
lets see u set one kitchen up for 2 hrs only... then u will know the pains it takes...
just get it to run then we will talk abt letting others get to it....

WM2003

I was looking at the website for "Traffic-I". This is a subscription system for traffic info (and a sort of GPS ?)
The free trial refers to XDA2 not XDA1. I assume that is because the XDA2 has W2003 0n as standard?
Is it possible to upgrade my O/S to 2003. I'm not sure what version i have as i bought mine used.
Thanks

icelolly said:
I was looking at the website for "Traffic-I". This is a subscription system for traffic info (and a sort of GPS ?)
The free trial refers to XDA2 not XDA1. I assume that is because the XDA2 has W2003 0n as standard?
Is it possible to upgrade my O/S to 2003. I'm not sure what version i have as i bought mine used.
Thanks
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Yes you can do it my recommendation persists just on upgrading the RUU not the RSU, there's a lots of threads posting how to upgrade to WM2003, search, read more and learn

Thanks for the tips. I assume then that upgrading the RUU only, will allow all Wm2003 programs to work on my device. This upgrade is reversible if the threads regarding original back ups are followed?

icelolly said:
Thanks for the tips. I assume then that upgrading the RUU only, will allow all Wm2003 programs to work on my device. This upgrade is reversible if the threads regarding original back ups are followed?
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Yes what you need is upgrading the RUU. It will allow all wm2003 to work on ur unit, thus you could back up as well your original default rom before installing the one that you'll cook

Ok thanks for that. I'l llook up how to back up old ROM first then get my oven gloves on and start cooking

Where Can I Download ROM WM2003
i try up grade to wm2003 T-Mobile 4.00.21 but i cant do cause i have Error message my machine use PW10A1, that version just for PW10B1..
So how can i get version for my machine??
Now i use :
ROM. 3.20.06
RS 4.01.

4.00.21 is very outdated ... try 4.01.16 and don't worry about the version as long as you do NOT touch the RSU part

Where ??
Where i can download ROM 4.01.16 have u or give me link

http://lumpistefan.dyndns.org/

I've had to stop using my XDA for the moment. It's a great piece of kit but the incoming signal quality is quite poor (Compared to a normal mobile) I've missed several calls that have gone straight to my answerphone when i normally never miss any. There are some threads about signal quality but shouldnt this be built in from new as being totaly reliable. Any comments appreciated.

RSU flashing might help ... but it's VERY risky

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RSU flashing might help ... but it's VERY risky
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Yes point taken on that!. To be quite honest the RUU part of the XDA (The programs etc) work really well and i'm not too bothered about any mods there. I'ts just that i use it for work and i can't really afford to miss calls and not being an expert in these things i find it hard to accept that the incoming signal quality is dependant on what sort of RUU software you have. :roll:
I suppose that as i'm not using it at all, and upgrading is risky but recoverable? and if it was out of action temporarily whilst a software failure was being put right then this would not be a problem for me. What i would worry about is if it all went belly up would i be able to get help on restoring it back to it's former glory?
Doug

recovering failed RSU flashing is a very tough process, and might not work as well ... you have to be very careful.
As a matter of fact, I 've done many RSU flashing before and all went OK ... but I know about many horrible stories about dead devices that can't be repaired except by h/w replacement.
If you can't really use it, it's ok to go for RSU flashing but pick the right RSU upgrade ... and stay away from O2 RSU 4.21

OK Biso007 i think you have convinced me. I think i will reluctantly sell the XDA (Someone will get a bargain as it has TT3 and maps on it) and wait a little while and see what else comes up.
Cheers
Doug

AT& Wireless WM2003 Upgrade

Ok so bear with me here. I am very new to this stuff (1 week). I just bought a used Siemens SX56 for AT&T Wireless from a friend of mine. I inserted my SIM, Syncronized my Outlook and things are GREAT! I love this thing. But...I'm greedy. I want more. I want to upgrade to WM2003. Based on what I have read there are a few features that would make this baby even nicer. The problem is the following:
1) I don't know where to get the upgrade. Siemens no longer posts it on their Website and niether does AT&T. I have read some really advanced stuff on some of the other topic areas regarding loading the Rogers version but I'm not sure how to do this and I don't want to mess this thing up. Does anyone know where I can find the AT&T version of WM2003 for my Siemens?
2) Is it really worth the upgrade? I have seen some complaints from people saying that the wish they hadn't upgraded because it not a stable. Or that the installation went bad and messed up the ROM.
3) Is the Siemens/ATT version of the WM2003 actually the right way to go or is there a better version?
Sorry for the really dumb questions but like I said I'm a newbie.
Thanks,
J

Ok, I found it! this is the original Siemens/AT&T WM2003 upgrade. http://www.wireheadtechnologies.com/sx56/sx56_wm2003_update.exe
I ran this last night and it works like a charm. Be sure to have Activesync 3.7.1 and remove SD card. Took about 10 minutes.
good luck!

does your SD card erase after awhile

:lol: I was looking for this upgrade for two days until I found this site. Thank you for not using the link straight from the Siemens website and thanks for the file.
jusanche said:
Ok, I found it! this is the original Siemens/AT&T WM2003 upgrade. http://www.wireheadtechnologies.com/sx56/sx56_wm2003_update.exe
I ran this last night and it works like a charm. Be sure to have Activesync 3.7.1 and remove SD card. Took about 10 minutes.
good luck!
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:lol: I was looking for this upgrade for two days until I found this site. Thank you for not using the link straight from the Siemens website and thanks for the file.
jusanche said:
Ok, I found it! this is the original Siemens/AT&T WM2003 upgrade. http://www.wireheadtechnologies.com/sx56/sx56_wm2003_update.exe
I ran this last night and it works like a charm. Be sure to have Activesync 3.7.1 and remove SD card. Took about 10 minutes.
good luck!
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I've been using WM2003 which I cooked in Lumpstefan's kitchen for about 3 weeks with NO problems. (A.30.09)
I also flashed the RSU with the newest AT&T RSU ROM Ver A.20.10 from
Yorch: www.yorch.net > upgrades.
The only thing I don't like is the RUU from Lumpistefans comes with an add-on program "Pocket NAV". It causes the operating system to freeze, requiring numerous reboots. I shut down Pocket NAV, and no more freezing.
Have fun,
Carey

Light at the end of tunnel?
Hello,
I am really frustrated, I would greatly appreciate any help-
I just finished reading Carey's post about the RSU upgrade to A20.10 from Yorch's website. I have a sx56 (USA-MN) and in areas of low signal, the signal is lost and the phone will not reaquire signal until a soft-reset. The phone has the following config:
Upgraded toWM2003
R33.02
A30.09
l'm not asking for a guarantee, but do you think that Yorch's RSU download (A20.10) might work for this phone. Yorchi's site mentions unzipping the files from A20.10 into the \windows folder then running the RSUpgrade.exe. Does this mean unzip the files to a desktop PC then copying them into the \windows directory on the sx56?
If i've got the method wrong, do you have a link that you can direct me to regarding the method of installation?
Thank you for any help!!

I am wondering about the same thing . MY sx56 drops signal all the time in my apt and I am hoping the new RSU will help the sx56 latch on and hold on to the signal better.. oh well.. if someone has tried it please share your experience...