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Hey people.
I've been trying to listen to an internet radio station, and after about 45 seconds it says 'buffering...' followed by an error message saying it 'can't play this file', or something similar.
I can re-click on the link and play another 45 seconds before the same problem occurs.
It happens with different stations.
Any help?
thx,
b
anyone?
Update:-
the problem seems to happen when I'm on the move.
Any help?
for me .. my provider blocks audio streaming and get an error when i try to stream audio from the interent........... but in ur case if it only happens when you are on the move it could be bad handing-over between cells......
Hm, don't know if GPRS has enough bandwith to bring you that much information in time.
I guess, the GPRS downstream isn't that wide to carry all that amount of data for that stream. On cell handover or in case you are in public places (where a lot of people are using one single GSM-cell) the bandwith is reduced as well (because voice gets priority over GPRS).
Audio-Streams over GPRS - anyone who did this till yet?
Greetings,
BGK
there is a program for nokia 6630 that you can connect to many radio stations and stream radio in a very good quality.... my friend tested it (works in a GSM company here) and worked good for him.....
As the Nokia 6630 is a 3G Phone (UMTS,Edge), I believe it's more likely that it's possible to use audio streams with it, because 3G supports higher bandwidth.
As our little helpers are only able to use GPRS and this has it's limitations (bandwith is reduced in case of many people using one GSM cell, etc. - as I stated above), I guess the dropouts mentioned by Bennage are technically determined. The stream is - simply spoken - not delivered fast enough to the mobile, so it runs out of data, has to fill the buffer again, plays, runs out of data, and so on...
Maybe I've got time to check this here. Never thought of listening to audio streams via GPRS before (volume charged), but now it's just curiosity which incites me :wink:
Greetings,
BGK
another reason for the dropout when on the move could be related to switching connection as when one moves about one change from one antenna to another
this would likely cause holes in the stream
BGK said:
As the Nokia 6630 is a 3G Phone (UMTS,Edge), I believe it's more likely that it's possible to use audio streams with it, because 3G supports higher bandwidth.
As our little helpers are only able to use GPRS and this has it's limitations (bandwith is reduced in case of many people using one GSM cell, etc. - as I stated above), I guess the dropouts mentioned by Bennage are technically determined. The stream is - simply spoken - not delivered fast enough to the mobile, so it runs out of data, has to fill the buffer again, plays, runs out of data, and so on...
Maybe I've got time to check this here. Never thought of listening to audio streams via GPRS before (volume charged), but now it's just curiosity which incites me :wink:
Greetings,
BGK
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it's true that the nokia 6630 is a 3G phone but both of our service providers are running 2.5G networks.. so they are not using EDGE just plain GPRS........ and just to check i used my friends SIM and went to www.windowsmedia.com and i was able to stream with great quality and no dropouts......... so it is possible to stream audio but sometimes SP they block aduio streaming as in the case of my service provider........
hope that helps
3G == UTSM
2½G == EDGE
2G == GSM
1G == NMT
so if it's on a 2½G network then it have a much higher transfer rate then a xda2 which dont support anything but GPRS on 2G
true but edge is not enabled it here yet.....!
he said it's a matter of installing software to their servers to enable it...
Here's mine
Model: MDA Pro
ROM/Radio/ExtRom: 1.12.42WWE | 1.00.02 | 1.12.126WWE
Design Flaws
No external display. Many cheapie prepay phones have this, why didn't the universal get one?
Usability Issues
When closed and Off, phone does not actually ring until 3rd ring. Leaving just 3 rings to answer it. Most calls hence go to voicemail due to not enough time left to answer.
When closed, and someone rings, the external start/end call buttons dont light up so I cant see which one is green(answer call) and which one is red(end call). 50% of the time I press the wrong one sending the caller to voicemail!
No simple, built in way to close rather than 'minimise' applications
Built in contacts app and calendar still unusable. MS: please just give up and buy Web IS !!
Software Bugs
Sometimes 2 of the wifi icons dissapear from the 'connections' tab under settings requiring a soft reset.
Wifi often fails to connect, needs switching off and then back on again, then it sees AP.
Loses the mobile network signal occasionally, for no reason (i.e even in 4 bar signal areas)
I'll add more as I remember them. But HTC/MS are getting better, the hardware and initial ROMs of the MDA Pro are worlds ahead of those on my XDA IIs (which was totally unusable initially).
Having a low battery means that device switches on every 5 mins to tell you about the low battery thus causing lower battery. Tell me once and then goto sleep! Or tell me once for 10%, once for 5% etc
If software causes the unit to switch on (in order to issue a notification) the same software should switch it off again after, i.e dont wait for the default 'not being used' timeout.
Nigel
Grrrrr
Ok .. I have an M5000 on orange, I have owned it for almost a week. My Rom/Radio gubbins are whatever Orange lock it at. My biggest complaints are:
1) Service Plans - There doesn’t seem to be a network in the UK that offers a service plan (more data, less voice) suited for the device. A trick was missed here I think!
2) My manual talks of GPRS counters and graphs.. My phone does not have any such features. All the more relevant given my 1st point and that the price per MB is horrendous on most networks.
3) Tolerance - My unit needs a reset at least twice a day. Sometimes because it can’t find GPRS coverage, sometimes coz it’s just slow. Back in the day when i purchased my 1st IPAQ I had to reset that a few times a day. I have been off in UIQ land for the past few years and I am surprised that this far into product evolution you die hard windows mobile/PPC fans have been putting up with the same crap for years. You are perfect customers and a tolerant bunch ;-).
4) Incoming call delay – I read that this is fixed in later roms. I tried to install a JASJAR rom and failed. My phone is locked. Blastit !
5) Windows Mobile Media Player 10 – a pointless piece of software, how do I delete it
6) Speed – In between reboots my unit is inconsistently slow. I have tried all of the points suggested in this forum aside from the rom updates (I cant do that).
7) Email – The email client is dire. I use IMAPS and SSL SMTP. Everything is find on mail accounts with low numbers of messages in ( < 100 ). The wheels fall off very quickly if you ask the client to download mail from a mbox with a few thousand messages in and lots of folders. So far I have lots a mail account twice and left it saying “updating folders” for 3 hours while connected via wifi.
8) Email Again – Like I said .. I use IMAPS and SSL SMTP. I use self signed certs. The 1st time I created my mail accounts and connected the unit asked me if I wanted to proceed with the self signed cert shenanigans. After that I was not asked. When I look for the certs in the certificates app they are not there. Where are they?
>1) Service Plans - There doesn’t seem to be a network in the UK that offers a service plan (more data, less voice) suited for the device. A trick was missed here I think!
Agreed, t-mobile with web-n-walk are the closest, but poor 3G coverage and no possibility to upgrade bundled data from 40MB (other than £1/MB Pay-as-you-go) + unused data not carried over to next month are the main issues.
>2) My manual talks of GPRS counters and graphs.. My phone does not have any such features. All the more relevant given my 1st point and that the price per MB is horrendous on most networks.
You should have found an application called 'spb GPRS Monitor' on the CD?? install this after having got the machine connected via activesync and you'll have the missing part of the puzzle. This is somet else that should be included within the OS -- MS please buy spb !
>4) Incoming call delay – I read that this is fixed in later roms. I tried to install a JASJAR rom and failed. My phone is locked. Blastit !
Indeed, phone should have never gotten to market with this major bug.
>7) Email – The email client is dire. I use IMAPS and SSL SMTP. Everything is find on mail accounts with low numbers of messages in ( < 100 ). The wheels fall off very quickly if you ask the client to download mail from a mbox with a few thousand messages in and lots of folders. So far I have lots a mail account twice and left it saying “updating folders” for 3 hours while connected via wifi.
Webis mail is an improvement, but still not great. My main issue with imap is the inability to set a specific imap root folder. My mail is served from my linux box at home, and there is stuff other than mail in my user directory - I dont want it finding all this stuff (at all!) Yeah, I know you can tell it to sync only specific folders, but initially it tries to sync the lot. I gave up with imap and use pop3 now. Perhaps push email availability will fix this.
Nigel
@veletron
O2 has a tariff called Data 36 for around £16.50 per month for 36MB and voice calls are on a pay as you go basis (max 25p per minute).
I agree with most item you guys mentioned especially about the phone's ringing late than the actual incoming call. If I carry JJ, on that particular day I would miss most of my calls due to that.
Here is the bug I consider annoying and hopefully they get fixed soon:
1. The Caller ID sent to the BT headset (still number instead of contact name). Have not heard anything yet till now. Dunno until when they're going to fix this.
2. When used in PDA/tablet mode, there is no hardware button for both of the softkeys that are being introduced in WM5. Pretty annoying. Other hardware buttons on the side are mostly dedicated buttons. I have to sacrifice the record button and assign it to click the OK.
3. If you have not found this one out yet. please try it with your JJ/Universal. With a SD card inside the slot, use one finger, pull it out by moving the edge slowly (without pushing it in to release it). The SD card will come out!
I was pretty :`( with this, but when the SD card inside the slot, even I shake the JJ it will not come out. At least we have to be extra careful with this.
jah said:
@veletron
O2 has a tariff called Data 36 for around £16.50 per month for 36MB and voice calls are on a pay as you go basis (max 25p per minute).
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Exactly... 36Mb is pretty poor, A few hours of streaming monkey radio, some GRIB files, email and web pages etc.. and I am stuffed....
I have had to jump through hoops just to get something half decent. I ended up with a 400MB a month add on but only after I signed up on a business tariff as a sole trader.
The guys at expansys were selling the JJ with an orange all you can eat (1GB per month) data card sim in it. While he told me voice calls would work he could not confirm that that would always be the case, when I spoke with orange they told me it would never work.
For me the most annoying thing is that the Jasjar in about 20% of the cases freezes upon arrival of a new SMS. You know this makes the thing so very unreliable. You never know when the unit has froozen and find out only when you need to use the unit again. Then you start wondering that don't know how many people tried to contact you while the Jasjar was lying frozen, unnoticed.
Kind Regards
I have no complaints at all, i have it exactly as i want it, now Lakeridge have sorted the screen switch time to be instant on wisbar i am happy, I have the following installed
Wisbar Advance 2 (newest release)
Pocket Informant (newest WM5 Release)
Pocket Breeze
Dinarsoft HandyMenu & Launcher & Switcher
Expea2 Theme
Blank Black Wallpaper
The Show and Hide Bottom Bar App (Assigned to a custom Wisbar Icon)
PSShutxp
FlexWallet 2006
CodeWallet Pro 5
Resco Keyboard Pro 4.34
Resco Explorer 2005 v5.20
I have 27.74MB Storage & 17.77MB Program Memory Free
It has taken 5 Hard resets, and much hair pulling and waiting for new releases, but my JasJar is now stable as hell!
Now if only someone could figure out how to display animated gifs as caller ID's i would be as happy as a P.I.S!!!! at last
Richard
jah said:
@veletron
O2 has a tariff called Data 36 for around £16.50 per month for 36MB and voice calls are on a pay as you go basis (max 25p per minute).
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Aye, I am aware of this. I was gonna go with o2 on data 200 originally, but they buggered up my order, charged me for the device but never sent it, performed a total of 15 credit checks, screwed my credit history, and then started sending me final demands for data200 even though the contract had already been cancelled. Took 4 weeks to get credit record straightened out, and £139.99 for xda refunded, and a further 2 weeks to get them to realise that I had returned the sim within the usual 14 days.
Ruddy Nightmare, after that I dont consider any O2 products to be worth a mention!! I am a long time contract customer, and they were not even interested in keeping the business by way of money off sweetners!
Besides.... 40MB+200 anynet mins still costs much much more on O2 than on t-mobile ;-)
Nigel
My Universal is losing email accounts. I think memory is not safe in WM5!
See
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=202617&highlight=mail+accounts#202617
Have seen much of that discussed above on my new T-Mobile MDA Pro, however in addition to the overly long call delay, with extremely heavy use over the past month I have observed the following two rather disconcerting "critical" bugs:
- occasionally, the GSM system loses the network despite the network being present and displays a "no service" exclaimation mark next to the service twig. No problem here, except that it does not recover from this state even if the network comes back, or if the location (ie. cell) is changed. For example, this happened in central London today, and after 4 hours of monitoring, it was still lost to the world...
- very occasionally, I've seen my little green service light flashing happily with the clamshell closed, appearing to indicate all was well. However, upon powering up the MDA Pro, I've discovered it had crashed, requiring a reset.
This is serious, because in both cases, my MDA Pro had irrecoverably gone out of network service for a considerable time, during which time any incoming calls had been lost.
In short, I cannot depend upon this device for voice, although I'm happy to live with these issues for data only. So it's a mini laptop... and I still have to get/carry another phone and SIM.
Bosseye
Have seen much of that discussed above on my new T-Mobile MDA Pro, however in addition to the overly long call delay, with extremely heavy use over the past month I have observed the following two rather disconcerting "critical" bugs:
- occasionally, the GSM system loses the network despite the network being present and displays a "no service" exclaimation mark next to the service twig. No problem here, except that it does not recover from this state even if the network comes back, or if the location (ie. cell) is changed. For example, this happened in central London today, and after 4 hours of monitoring, it was still lost to the world...
- very occasionally, I've seen my little green service light flashing happily with the clamshell closed, appearing to indicate all was well. However, upon powering up the MDA Pro, I've discovered it had crashed, requiring a reset.
This is serious, because in both cases, my MDA Pro had irrecoverably gone out of network service for a considerable time, during which time any incoming calls had been lost.
In short, I cannot depend upon this device for voice, although I'm happy to live with these issues for data only. So it's a mini laptop... and I still have to get/carry another phone and SIM.
Bosseye
bosseye said:
This is serious, because in both cases, my MDA Pro had irrecoverably gone out of network service for a considerable time, during which time any incoming calls had been lost.
In short, I cannot depend upon this device for voice, although I'm happy to live with these issues for data only. So it's a mini laptop... and I still have to get/carry another phone and SIM.
Bosseye
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Agree, the Universal is not really a phone its is a PDA/mini tablet. There are lots of people, however, here and at Howard Forums who think the Universal is as good as SE/Nokia phones.
When I had my first Vodafone was about 15 pages long. Hundreds of GPRS/UMTS connections and disconnections. Does not sound right to me! Sure is something funny with the JasJar radio.
bosseye said:
- occasionally, the GSM system loses the network despite the network being present and displays a "no service" exclaimation mark next to the service twig.
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Hi
I have seen this also, hopefully a future radio revision will sort it out. I have noticed that even with this (!) mark, the phone *IS* still in service. Some 3rd party progs dont check for a network connection before they try and send data, these still work even with the (!) WiFi is disabled so its not that. I see the same also with wifi, it says 'connecting' but it is in fact connected!!
Basically, the built in stuff is using an API to query the phone about its connection state, and its getting back a 'false'. Stuff that does not bother to query does not get the 'false' and thus works.
Its a pain in the @rse, I think that the display icon displays its state based on the same API call, so perhaps the whole lot is linked together. The status of the device is not being updated correctly.
Oh... it will also ring at times when it is displaying the (!)...
All supposition of course!
Mine will usually come back, if it does not then switching from auto to gsm or umts and then back kicks it into gear. I.e a soft reset is not usually required.
Mine is an MDA Pro flashed with the O2 original ROM.
Nigel
On my O2 Exec, I find that the backlight often isn't working when I switch it on. I have to go into the Settings, select Backlight, and then uncheck and recheck one of the settings there.
I had the same problem with the Ipaq I used to have, although it seemed to happen less regularly.
Calendar\Task alarms dissapear, no Notification with Alarm
the WM "Notification Que" Issue
After 3 weeks of usage of my Qtek9000:
- all the Calendar notifications dissapeared (no text, no sound);
- the Alarms did have sound and vibra, but no text and Notification softbutton on the screen;
- alarms sounds could appear on their selfs on a random time and no Text on the screen.
I've searched the forum and it learned out that it is a Notification Que Issue.
It looks that upon a time, that que is being oversized or some mess (duplicates?) happened in it.
So, after that the "Notification Que" Issue appears.
cross-posted: http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=236733#236733
After trying to use my XDA Exec as my main device I had to finally just use it for PIM, eBooks & web (with Opera) and I used a Moto v3X as my main mobile/cell phone as the call quality of the Exec is poor relative to other standard 3G phones and I don't like the delay in altering you to an incoming call. But even as a eBook reader mini tablet I suffered because of the poor battery life and the need to reboot every two days. So I have now gone back to using my Nokia 9500 and I feel so much less stress now! I can't wait for the 3G Nokia Communicator.
Anyone got a fix for this?
lost wifi wep keys every time i soft reset? - keep on having to eneter the bloody wep key!!!!
Hi All,
I am using O2 XDA Exec. here is the system info:
ROM Version: 1.13.82 WWE
ROM date: 11/30/05
Radio version: 1.04.02
Protocol version 42.37.P8
ExtROM version: 1.13.188 WWE
Since my last ROM update from O2 the machine is extremely fast. I got of O2 and installed corporate one and never looked back. I laways have 28MB program and 28MB storage and no hacks involved. I have 512 MB SD card (getting smaller need bigger one).
Incoming calls: always answers the after the first ring.
pressing the phone button brings the dialer up in a split second.
I have buletooh car kit and always connect with my Exec for at least 1 hour at a time twice day without dropping a single connection ever.
WiFi extremly robust and never had problem connecting to mine or a paid one and it is beautiful used with SKYPE to make cheap phoen calls abroad.
I hardly need to reset the machine unless an application behaves badly. I just dont install unnecessary applications, or pretty ones (it is a matter of taste this one)
There is no proper close for application, it would be nice but hardly an issue to me (only a couple of taps away), actually some application I want them running.
Never had problems with call connections, and I travel between London and Swindon everyday.
As for Battery, when not using the display I switch it off (I can still get calls).
I leave a USB cable at work for recharging and a a car charger in the car. I also bought a spare battery. I am never out of battery (ofr my kind of usage).
All applications are standard and I use them heavily, appointments, alarms, contacts (2550 names of all the company employees), emails, word, and especially presentation (power point) and they do the job adequately.
I donwloaded and tried (with intention to buy) many application that might replace the standard ones but I always unable to justify spending the money as they don't do anything special (prettier maybe).
the only application I have is
WiFiFoFum for scanning wireless networks.
SBP GPRS Monitor (O2 gives me 100K a month free - wehehehe)
Adobe Reader 2.0
Microsoft Reader
PocketTV
CodeWallet Pro 5.0
Inesoft Cash organizer 05 Premium
Skookum for RSS news
and of course SKYPE 2.0
and with mobile google and a list of mobile websites in my Internet Explorer favourites and skookum I can get all the news and info that I need.
What I don't like;
no front screen to see who is calling without opening the device (this would have been a killer to me).
A-GPS or even a full blown GPS would have been very nice indeed.
I bought themachine 4 months ago from O2 high street; now hwyI don' thave these bugs people talk about, is there different versions of bad batches? I am not the only one I met quite few people who also get surprised when we read the bugs. Strange; could it be the way people use the device?
Thanks
SO MANY PROBLEMS......BUT MY MAIN ONES ARE
PHONE DROPPING CALLS WHEN DRIVING..UPGRADED TO LASTEST ROM STILL DOING IT ........I REALLY WISH I COULD FIX THIS...DOES ANY ONE ELSE HAVE THIS PROBLEM?
CASE MARKS...
STUTTERING RING TONES
ANSWER DELAYS
I THINK HTC SHOULD DO THE RIGHT THING AND RECALL THE LOT OF THEM MY OLD XDA 2 WAS A GREAT PHONE....THIS IS A PIECE OF CRAP.
I was watching the idiot box the other day and it indicated that due to the 911 phone issue and requirement, all mobile phones were required to be able to be located to an address when calling 911, and thus all phones were required to have GPS unit installed, is this correct?
If that is so, are these phones illegal in the US as they dont have one, or do they have one and we dont know about it?
In the UK it is possible to track a mobile phone, and is done with 999 call in certain circumstances a number of ways. But I don't believe they use GPS in any of them yet. the main way is to tri-anglated (spelt sommit like that!) where the signal came from, which pin-points it to a faily small, but not perfect, radius.
The US are normally slightly more advanced with that sort of thing, but probably use a similar system.
Sorry, I just read your post again, the located to an address might be what we in UK do as a Subscriber Check, which is how we locate the owners of mobile phones in the police in UK. It can only be done in certain circumstances again, due to human rights, data protections, etc etc. But does not locate where the phone is when the signal was made, instead informs us who owns and registered the phone, and to what address.
Great if the phone is a contract phone.... But with PAYG it's not always that simple... you can pick these up anywhere now, and some people don't bother registering them...
When you use your mobile phone it can usually communicate with more than 1 base station & pick the nearest, it will also identify which transmitter on the base station has the strongest signal. You may also move between base stations as signal strength varies.
This information along with the amount of time to send & receive a signal can be used to identify the location of the mobile.
If the mobile can only see 1 base station it can be used to identify the location of the mobile in relation to the base station along with the distance.
If it can see 2 or more base stations it can be used to triangulate location.
Hope this helps.
Mike
Operators are required to upgrade their networks to support E911 service and have (I seem to remember) until November 2006 to complete said upgrade. There is presently no provision requiring individual handsets to provide GPS coordinates - or any other location-indicating function. There are several initiatives being explored that, if they come to fruition, would require location-reporting functions to be an integral part of new handsets.
Many of the dumb phones (Motorola etc) do already have some kind of GPS receiver, mostly AGPS (Assisted GPS) where the mobile network provides time, ephemeris and almanach, and the receiver only needs to listen to the sat time.
But only the HP iPAQ 6515 and 6915 have a similar chip at the moment, other smartphones or Pocket PC phones (like the Universal) don't have it. With all the hype around LBS it won't take long, maybe two or three generations of devices, until this is standard anyhow.
The E911 compliance has been delayed over and over again, and will be delayed through november. To cite the late Douglas Adams "I like deadlines, especially the swooshing sound they make when they pass by."
My TyTN arrived on 8/9. I have a 2GB microSD card.
General
It's serial number is HT628.
The kbd backlight timeout on this device is 30 seconds . This one only has a detent on the right side. The caps lock mode is different: you now have to hit <alt>CAPS to lock caps mode. In fact, this is graphically displayed by showing the "Caps" function in blue on the Shift key. Doing another <alt>CAPS disables. Locking Alt mode still requires a double press on the blue dot key, but now its disabled by pressing the blue dot again once.
I have not tested UMTS since its not available in my area yet.
Processor Speed-wise, it feels about the same as my 8125 overclocked to 240mhz
I set up exchange direct push with no problems. Vibrate on new mail alert works just fine when the device is in powersave mode.
I have not been successful at enabling the Edge Icon using the known reghack. I also tried installing the Cingular EdgeIconEnable cab from the extrom and this had no effect either. However, speed comparisons between the TyTN and my 8125 produced startling results. Using www.2wire.com, my 8125 turned in 50-70 KB/sec. The TyTN never dropped below 100KB/sec in 5 successive tests. In fact, one test ran 294KB/sec :shock: I didn't think edge ran that fast.... Nevertheless, the Edge issue is icon only. The performance of this device on Edge networks is better than my wizard by about 2X.
WiFi connects well and switches smoothly from GPRS.
Bluetooth
This device set up perfectly with my BMW bluetooth handsfree system. All contacts were downloaded correctly and connect time is very fast
This device set up perfectly with my ThinkOutside bluetooth keyboard. I used the latest kbd driver available on think outside's website. However, if my TyTN is in landscape mode and it enters powersave mode, portrait mode is re-selected when I exit powersave mode. This is a bit of a PITA if I've got the TyTN on the keyboard stand....
A2DP
I'm testing with the HP iPAQ Bluetooth stereo headphones, also sold by Logitech. This device was one of the best of all devices tested on the HTC Wizard btw.
Where do I start.... My current impression is: not ready for prime time. I'm thinking of installing the A2DP cab from the Torando hack as it loads different versions that may have a positive effect on functionality.
I applied all the reghacks suggested and still get breakups.
A2DP stops working if you place the TyTN in powersave mode by tapping the power button
After playing for a while, I actually lose my ability to use the digizer. Taps aren't recognized. Fixing this is touch and go without resetting. I am generally able to go into powersave mode then return. However, the audio stream becomes so distorted when I do this that I have to kill TCPMP then shut off/turn on my headset again.... Major PITA!
WMP doesn't even recognize the headset and still plays through the speakers. It will completely lock up my TyTN if I pair my headset while its playing music.
Everything eventually slows to a crawl when A2DP is active. Something is using up more and more of the processor and this may have some bearing on the breakup issue because interestingly, when you first start using A2DP, everything is fine; it just degrades slowly over time and eventually even trashes the digitizer.
edit: I installed the dll's and associated cert from the Tornado A2DP project and these had no impact on performance. In fact they may have made performance a little worse. I also tweaked the registry settings to match the Tornado project and these had no effect either. What seems to have worked the best so far is tweaking the Priority256 settings of the bluetooth and WAVE processes to lower values (somewhat counter intuitive). More on this later if I find these settings are significant to a successful tweak. My gut feeling is that they are not and that the real issue lies elsewhere.
Applications
Spb Pocket plus installed with no issues
Spb Backup installed with no issues
Sbp Time throws a SpbTimeNotify.exe execution error on startup. Usually auto-timezones is the culprit here. However, the timezone page reghack didn't enable the timezone page in phone settings.
Novii Remote appears to work just fine (although, with IR on the bottom instead of the side I'll need to re-work all my setups). IR range is dismal though, about 1 meter max vs. my 8125 which easily did 4-5 meters. Bummer here
My SipChange app works just fine (naturally)
Initial Conclusions
As a business device, this thing is rock solid. Push email works great and the jog dial makes one-handed use much more possible. The faster Edge processing makes data retrieval better even if you don't have a UMTS signal.
The good stuff isn't working though. There's a major bug in the A2DP implementation. Some process slowly eats up processor cycles when its running until the entire device slows to a crawl. I'll keep working on this.
It took all day to wear down the battery. On GSM, at least, this device seems to have the same battery life as my 8125. I'm also thinking this might use the same battery as the CDMA Apache. If so, there's drop in replacements that add more capacity. I'll be checking into this too...
More posts to follow....
sleuth,
Thanks for the post. I'm using the 8125 currently on T-mobiles network. I consistently get Edge speeds of 70 to 124 kpbs using www.dslreports.com. I tried the www.2wire.com and it was even faster (134 kbs). Though I have measured speeds with other services, it is unusual. Please try the speed test on dslreports.
I also find it odd that the A2dp isn't working. Have you tried the I-Phono, Motorola, or Jabra stereo headsets. I thought they had better reviews?
Thanks again for the heads up. I may wait a bit before getting the TyTN. I've also considered getting an Apache which I've tested between 300 and 700 kpbs on the Verizon network.
Keep in mind how I did the Edge test: I put my SIM in my TyTN and did 5 successive tests. Then I put the SIM in my 8125 and did 5 tests. Thus I compared the performance of the two devices with the exact same tower layout/signal strength. My TyTN operated, on average, about twice as fast in this test. Now I know that in the Chicago area, I consistantly got better than 100KB/sec out of my 8125 too so this test indicates the TyTN's ability to achieve the same high thruput in conditions where my 8125 (running AKU2.3 and the 02.25.11 Radio ROM) didn't.
DSLReports tests with Cingular 3G
All of these were at 9:20 PM EDT and using the wireless.cingular.com proxy server.
Test 1: 839 kb/s
Test 2: 915 kb/s
Test 3: 929 kb/s
Test 4: 900 kb/s
Test 5: 894 kb/s
Avg for Test: 895.4 kb/s
At other times, I have seen as high as 1.2 Mb/s.
hjkl;' why no delete?
Update:
I have bad "." and uparrow keys. They only work if I press them really hard. I am exchanging this TyTN for a new one because of this.
In general, UMTS/HSDPA speeds and the ability to simultaneously handle voice/data is the only reason to upgrade from a Wizard IMHO. I believe that the A2DP issue will eventually be fixed, but for now you must be prepared to trade A2DP for high speed data.
more A2DP settings info
I've got to say this: lowering the priority256 value of the WAVE process sure does improve things. I made it 255 and the btaudio driver 254 and its the best I've had it. Damn near usable. There may be other issues with the WAVE driver priority being so low though like stuttering notifications.
However, after 5 minutes or so, the problem slowley builds up until its bad again. This leads me to believe that there are two problems. One having to do with processor slowly being eaten up by an unknown process and the other having to do with priority interactions between the wave and bt audio drivers. If you want to play with the relevant priority256 values yourself, here's the values:
HKLM/Drivers/BuiltIn/BtA2dpSnd/Priority256 = 254
HKLM/Drivers/Builtin/WaveDev/Priority256 = 255
The system seems to work best if the btaudio driver has a higher priority than the wave driver. Priorities are higher if their Priority256 values are lower btw.
I'm still working to understand what is slowley eating the processor. Has anybody here seen a task manager that shows %proc utilization by process like the Windows Taskmanager does?
more A2DP settings info
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goestoeleven,
Thanks for the report. Those speeds are amazing. They are similar to the EVDO speeds of the Apche on the Sprint and Verizon networks.
I may just have to give my son the wizard and go for this phone.
sleuth,
Have you tried the zokie a2dp .cab? It worked well adding a2dp to wizards which had ROMs without a2dp.
I'm sure a future ROM will cure any a2dp or other software problem I'd the phone is adopted widely which it will be.
Sleuth255, have you tried this Taskmanager from buzzdev http://buzzdev.net/component/option...view/id,18571/catid,27/limit,15/limitstart,0/
looks perfect. Tks!
Hey Sleuth you made any progress with the A2DP yet?
Great notes btw!
Can someone try these reg settings and report what they find? I applied them and did a quick test and didnt have any skips. But i'm at work and my battery is in the red (charged 2 days ago) so i cant test it extensively and be without a phone till i get to a charger.
Note: decimal values are in brackets
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Drivers\Builtin\Wavedev]
"Priority256"=dword:00000080 (128)
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Bluetooth\A2DP\Settings]
"UseJointStereo"=dword:00000000 (0)
"BitPool"=dword:0000003a (58)
"MaxSupportedBitPool"=dword:00000050 (80)
"MinSupportedBitPool"=dword:0000000e (14)
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Drivers\Builtin\BtA2dpSnd]
"Priority256"=dword:0000003c (60)
cam05 said:
Hey Sleuth you made any progress with the A2DP yet?
Great notes btw!
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I'm waiting for my replacement TyTN. s/b late next week I'm hoping, then I can get back on it.
Great! Out of curiosity I didnt see you mention anywhere that you had to send it back... what for?
The period and uparrow keys wouldn't work with normal pressure and the camera flash was inoperative: turning on the flash instead seemed to just short out the screen backlight.
Regarding the replacement of my TyTN...
My online supplier, www.phonesource-usa.com hasn't yet responded to any of my emails and phone calls into the status of my replacement. The device was returned within their 3 day exchange policy period and they received it on the morning of 8/18. I'm not concerned about this yet, however I will carefully document my ongoing experience, either good or bad here with regards to this online seller as well as with the replacement process here in the US for the TyTN itself.
Interestingly, phonesource-usa also no longer offers the TyTN on their website. This may be because they are out of stock and may very likely be having some impact on my replacement.
edit:
Christian from phonesource-usa got back to me today and they are indeed waiting on their next shipment of TyTNs. Apparantly there's also some issues with email correspondance and his earlier replies didn't reach me. At any rate, he's hoping that my replacement TyTN will be in my hands next week. Then I can start playing around again. I live for this btw.
Sleuth255 I also bought from phonesource and sent him an email on Saturday and havent heard anything back. Others though seem to have had good results with him so keep trying to contact him. Keep us updated on how things work out.
@efjay: see the edit to my post above yours. Christian at phonesource seems to be having issues with email deliveries. I did an explicit accept to my Spam filter on him and his reply got right through. Maybe a spam filter has locked into his address for some reason.
Thanks Sleuth255 for the info. I will probably try again later today.
Hello,
I have just upgraded to the official GPS ROM and I am on the Swedish 3 operator. I have noticed since the upgrade that the network connection is switching from 3G to HSDPA when there is a demand of bandwidth or simply when there is data in either direction.
I can see that the purpose of this was to make it possible and more reliable to place and receive calls during data sessions. I have figured out though, that with the old ROM, there was no such switching (but there was no distinction with the icon, so you really had no idea) and the connection speed was always constantly 1Mbits/s when using Internet Sharing for example. Now with the HSDPA/3G switching/throttling, the connection often drops down to 3G speeds and Skype-calls are lacking quality from this a bit when using Skype in the car which i do quite regularly nowadays using my Jabra JX-10 headset.
I also realize that there is still a problem with outgoing and incoming calls during these automaticly switched-on HSDPA-sessions. That is probably why HTC has decided to keep the HSDPA sessions as short as possible, that's fine, but what boggles me is the algorithm used for the switching. It seems to always kick in HSDPA in the beginning of a new data session, and after a short time of inactivity (while pondering what favourite page to open this time) the connection drops down to 3G and it won't kick back to HSDPA even when you start browsing again, until a certain period of "non-HSDPA-ratio" has been reached and the phone thinks it would be OK to kick in the highspeed again for a little while.
I also noticed that using Skype would keep HSDPA alive once you place a call from a fresh started data session and keep talking ;-)
This is not a particular problem to me, I was just wondering of anyone else here has noticed and had an idea of what the programmers had in mind?
BTW: I am running TomTom 6.010 and Franson GpsGate on the machine now and it works absolutely like a dream. I used to have a Blue-I Bluetooth GPS in the car (Trimble based chipset, only 8 channels but quite OK piece of hardware) but this is far superior when it comes to HOLDING a persistent fix also when moving indoors. The TTFF is quite fast as long as you are outdoors, most of the time i have a fix before i leave the parking space. I noticed there being a dynamic number of satellites of the receiver, sometimes i see 7 out of 8 satellites, and then sometimes i see 10 out of 12! Anyone noticed?
Thanks in advance! Cheers...
It’s not your phone that decide to change from HSDPA mode to normal R99 (384kbits) mode and vice versa. Everything are always controlled by the network. The behaviors that you describe are normal. Besides the HSDPA is quit new for the operators and new parameters needs to be tuned for best performance for every users.
BTW, the degradation that you notice. You are not alone that use HSDPA.... Its finally the big success for 3G
I use Phone Alarm profiles and BandSwitch to control my connection based on business hours. I get a poor singal unless on 3G where my office is located. I force it to GPRS otherwise to save battery.
I have similar problems, cannot receive or start calls when HSDPA connected. Shouldn't that be possible anyway, calling and transferring data at the same time? Or is this a network provider problem?
I too am on the Swedish operator 3. I have an unlocked, non-operator distributed HTC TyTN that I had updated the radio to 1.40xxx and the ROM to Black Dymond 3.5 and was having the exact same problem. I could reproduce the incoming call not getting through error every single time I got the phone to go into HSDPA mode.
After some initial searching I read somewhere it was network dependent (Nokia switches vs Ericsson) and the only way to solve it was to disable the HSDPA using e.g. HTweakC, which I did and it solved the problem, but then of course I couldn't take advantage of the high-speed data access, which was the major reason I got this phone.
I recently noticed that 3 released a new extended ROM with instructions to update the ROM to the latest (as is available on the ftp here) then install their ExtROM. I went to the trouble to try and breakdown what was in this extended ROM, but being a newbie to pocketpc it was all hyroglyphics to me, so I went ahead and installed it over my old HTC ext ROM (which I saved for later use just in case).
When I get around to it I may mount this extended ROM here (I have it, but don't have too much time to put it up right now, so someone may beat me to it).
Anyway, Black Dymond 3.5 didn't install the Extended ROM after a hard reset (assuming that was the intention), so I did it myself afterwards. One initial bug that showed up quickly was the Comm Manager not wanting to start saying it would only manage a max of 7 items (whatever that means). So I installed Schaps latest Comm Manager and it worked fine.
Well, guess what, now there's a daemond that starts on boot and the phone app is different (another bug is that the text on the phone app buttons remain in the 3 theme although I changed back to black, but that's minor), but now I cannot replicate the no incoming calls during HSDPA error.
Apparently they've added something that makes the phone connect properly to their 3G/HSDPA network for call handling. Now I've got full HSDPA speed and no problem on incoming calls (plus still have Black Dymond's great VOIP/SIP WM6 solution).
Ok, as a noob I of course missed the fact that the daemon starting at boot is Voice Commander. Still the actual phone app/dll is somehow different with this ExtROM and it's solved my problems.