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Bluetooth car kit and voice dialling question

Does anyone here use their MS Mobile 2003 “smart” phone with a Bluetooth car kit?
I wonder if you can help me…
With my old Nokia phone, it used to activate the connection to the car kit when I turned on the engine.
However, on the MDA Compact, I have to go to Bluetooth, select the car kit, and select “Set as Hands-free” every time I get into the car, witch is rather annoying.
Does anyone know how to make this automatic? Is there a third party utility perhaps that would monitor the availability of the car kit every so often, and connect to it automatically when it is available?
And another question, does anyone know of a good utility for voice dialling?
I tried Microsoft Voice Command 1.5, it is alright, more or less (apart from awful recognition of spoken numbers, even if spoken by upper class English people) it does recognise the contact names, witch is all that I need - however, I cannot get it to react when I press the action button on the car kit.
I still have to take the phone out of my briefcase, and hold it in my hand, witch is illegal whilst driving.
My dream application, would be something basic, that I can train for certain contacts that I call regularly (like with my old nokia phone, which appeal glows by the minute) – as this way, thick eastern European accents do not matter ;-)
Thanks in advance for any pointers!

I have the MDA Compact Working with the CK7W form Nokia.
Works good exept the voice dailing, You can thakeand disconnect a call with the remote controle.

But do you have to manualy connect to the car kit every time you get into the car?
Once it is connected, I can accept and end calls using the action button. so that is not a problem

No just hold the center button of the remote for 2 seconds, than it will connetct again

tbouman said:
I have the MDA Compact Working with the CK7W form Nokia.
Works good exept the voice dailing, You can thakeand disconnect a call with the remote controle.
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Hold on a minute, I have the same Nokia car kit, and my Compact when connected suffers badly with reported echoes at their end, not mine.
Do you have this problem?
I was to believe that this was a common problem not resolved yet!
Mike.

I'm gonna test this tomorrow in my shop, I will place a list with phones(other than Nokia) that will work with the CK7W[/quote]

My car kit is CK-1W
I am generaly happy with it, apart from the fact that on the MDA I have to manualy connect every time I get into the car.
I used it with many different phones, and it works fine.
so I think that it is the bluetooth manager of the MDA that is to blame.
my compaq Ipaw bluetooth manager was the best!
but this one, I cannot even get the activesync to work...

For the manual connect you have 2 blame the BT manager in w2003se.
I have good results with:
Nokia CK7W:
Qtek 9090
Qtek S100
Sony Ericsson P910(I)
Sony Ericsson P700i
Samsung D500
HP6340

Are there alternative bluetooth managers?
or a reg. hack I can implement?
thanks

Hmmm, I Don't know...Anyone?

Apparently not…

I had the same problems with my mr handsfree genius car kit, and i thought it was the fault of the car kit.
Just upgrade your rom to 1.06 and all your problems will disappear most likely.
Which rom do you have?
Andre

I have an old ROM.
however, all my atempts at upgrading it failed.
my device ID is something like TMOB-005, not 001
cracked update exe file did not help, running the scripts to modify the ROM files did not help...
in the end I felt inept, and gave up ;-)

GPS & BT Headset - Yes You Can Can Use Both At The Same

This is more FYI others.... when I started looking at new phones some times ago to intergrate in to my car system getting one that was able to do BT headset and com port at the same time was important - and in fact to my knowllage the IJam was the first.
Any way as it seems no ones broached the subject and at the time I would have killed for this info I'm please to say I have tried both my BT carkit and GPS with Tomtom at the same time and it works... I'm currious if I can get 3 concurent connections now
Any way - probably no biggy for most here - its just my was of helping any newbie that comes along searching for this info... like I did once.
Terran

Hi Terran,
Out of interest, which BT car kit have you got? I've got to replace two Nokia kits now we've got the 9100's. I've looked at the parrot kits, but am using voice commander and would like a kit that works as well as my Scala bt headset.
Regards
Dox

Dox said:
Hi Terran,
Out of interest, which BT car kit have you got? I've got to replace two Nokia kits now we've got the 9100's. I've looked at the parrot kits, but am using voice commander and would like a kit that works as well as my Scala bt headset.
Regards
Dox
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The Parrot CK3000 - Had it since it came out and never looked back. Used to cost me ( cos no company even my current one which expects me to travel has ever give me a car kit ) a fortune before BT having to upgrade to specific kits... and they where a pain to install.
Parrot - Can't fault em - but my only tip is buy the upgrade cables... I've upgraded mine several times and it has helped depending on the issue.... for example..
I've not upgraded it this time how ever the other half found the quality of sound from me ( ie in the car ) better than with my T610...
Hope that helps - PS if you want GPS some of the higer models have it built in.
Terran
PPS Any one with a basic under standing of plug socket a in to socket b can do the install in about 10 mins or so.... the worst part is getting the radio out.

Thanks for the reply Terran.
My only concern (aside from the Parrot compatibility, which you've cleared) is that with two 6310i's, if my personal phone rang, I could ping the work one out of the kit and plug in my own within a couple of seconds. I can't find a way to disconnect the 9100 from my BT headset (which operated in hands-free mode too).I asked here, and after 70 views, there have been no replies... I don't know if there's a quick way on the Parrot kit, and if so, how fast I could "connect" the other handset, or, if I'd have to have two kits, one for each phone...
Dox

Dox said:
Thanks for the reply Terran.
My only concern (aside from the Parrot compatibility, which you've cleared) is that with two 6310i's, if my personal phone rang, I could ping the work one out of the kit and plug in my own within a couple of seconds. I can't find a way to disconnect the 9100 from my BT headset (which operated in hands-free mode too).I asked here, and after 70 views, there have been no replies... I don't know if there's a quick way on the Parrot kit, and if so, how fast I could "connect" the other handset, or, if I'd have to have two kits, one for each phone...
Dox
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Never tried but my Parrots update is supposed to support up to 3 handsets... you can set which one gets priority...
I think they have a forum so may be its worth having a chat with em.
Terran

If you have a CK3000 then this thred ( especially post #20 ) is worth noting...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=31755
Dear Sir,
Thanks for visiting our forum.
Concerning your request, with the K750and W800 it's not possble to use the phone's voice recognition system
with the CK3000. This issue to the phone software and unfortunately only Sony Ericssson can make some improvments
on it.
However with the CK3000 evolution, you have the possibility to send contacts from the mobile phone to the car kit.
Thanks to this function, you can use the car kit voice recognition system and no more the phone voice recognition system : we are no more depend on the mobile phone. The knob of the evolution's remote control allows you to select this function by spoken menus. It's the same way like for the CK3100 however instead of a graphic indications you have voice prompts. This function was not possible with with the CK3000.
To change your CK3000 into a CK3000 evolution. You just need to change the car kit software and to change the buttons.
However the software update have to be done using a Parrot Serial cable or by Bluetooth using a Parrot Flash Kit.
That's why we ask to send us the unit.
If you have the buttons and a way to make the update , the transformation into a CK3000 evolution is possible.
However for technical reasons, please send us before an email to our technical support : [email protected] .
Some situations can cause bad issues and it will be wise to check with us if the transformation is possible.
Please note : Before to make the software update, please erase the car kit memory. You just need to press the green and red button of the car kit at the same time: you will hear MEMORY ERASING PLEASE WAIT and then your can release the buttons. Once you hear PLEASE PAIR DEVICE, the car kit is OK for the update.
Best Regards
-Adviser 2-
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In other words if you have the flash kit ( which I do ) all you need to do is upgrade the buttons for £18 and flash the ROM and you have a new upto date Carkit...
Terran

Anyone got Sim Access Profile working?

Hi
I wondered if anyone had successfully used the Sim Access Profile capabilkity of the of TyTn to connect with a Bluetooth car kit. I'm trying to get the connection going with a Merc. car kit, but I can't get them to pair.
Thx

Hi petes, I have an slk 55 amg with command and bluetooth. The bluetooth in the command system does not work for pairing with a phone. Even though it says it has bluetooth. To use bluetooth you need an extra module.
Hope this helps...
http://www.benzworld.org/forums/r17...y-arrived-but.html?highlight=bluetooth+module
http://www.wireless4mb.com/phones.html
http://www.benzworld.org/forums/r17...pic-seems-kit.html?highlight=bluetooth+module

Hi Dale
Thanks. I actually already have the module - the european version of the module is different to the US one in that it uses Sim Access Profile, rather than just acting as a headset. The TyTn says is supports SAP, but I just can't make it work - wondering if anyone's actually got SAP working.
pete S

Hi Petes,
I also have an Mercedes-Benz with the european bluetooth module. But I have a Qtek 9100 updated to AKU2 (Which is supposed to support SAP), but no luck at all. Actually the module can not even identify my phone and display it at the search screen of the comand screen. I tried also with a NOKIA 6230i (SAP Compatible phone) which actually I was able to see at the search list of the comand screen which means that the module is working with SAP compatible phones. What I will do next, is to try again with the new firmware I installed to my 9100 (T-Mobiles 2.21 Version) which has a SAP application for bluetooth (Something like SAP Server).
I can not do it yet because I am abroad and I will be back again 1st of September. I will let you know the results ASAP.
If you have any news from your site with TyTn please let me know because I was intending to change my 9100 to TyTn just for the SAP functionality.

Hi Barsam
The reason you can't find the 9100 when you search with the BT module is that it only looks for devices which identify themselves as Phones. The TyTn (and no doubt the 9100) identify themselves as Pocket PCs and so the (stupid!) Mercedes kit ignores them. The good news is that you can hack the registry to tell the Bluetooth stack that it's a phone. The bad news is that you can't pair with it. Getting it into the search screen doesn't mean it supports SAP - I could see my old T68 just when I was testing. Could you actually pair with the 6230i - i.e. when you see it in the list select Call?
When you're back, PM me and I'll send you the hack.

To tell you the truth I didn't try to pair the 6230i, but it's one of the phones that mercedes have tested on the bluetooth module. If I don't manage to do it with the 9100 I may get a 6230i. At least I can use the one that my brother has to test it and even copy my contacts to comand. Have you tried the hack with the TyTn? Can you tell me what is the the registry set to do that?
Where did you find out that the bluetooth module ignores enything elese than phones?

Make the following registry change
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Bluetooth\SYS]
"COD"=dword:52020C
On your own head etc.. Keep a copy of the current value of course. Then do a soft reset. You'll then see it as a phone. I've tried this, and can now see the phone, but can't pair. I've had a mail back from HTC that they're aware of some problem with the SAP and are working on it.

I wish a nice car kit would be released in the USA that supports SAP/850 & 1900/ external aerial...

hello,
i'm trying to get my TyTN working with my Meceder Command too... does anyone tried the English ROM-Update? Someone wrote that he can use it's TyTN with his Audi after updating the ROM. And tha Audi-MMI-System works also with SAP... perhpas after the ROM-Update it works with Mecedes Command System too...

I haven't tried it yet - I've been waiting for the TyTn update to come along, but nothing from HTC yet. If I don't get anything soon, I'll switch over to the iMate ROM and report back.

I have used a nokia 6233 6280 onmy E55 2005 with B/t Module
The mercedes module in conjuntion with the command system is problimatic, hoever I think I have another peice of the puzzle. With both the above phones they only worked using Vodaphone 3g cards Three 3g cards paired using SAP however could not get recieption....Mercedes say (there guessing) its the way the sim card is configured.....

Mercedes BT
I have a TYTN on order and Im desperate to find a solution to the issue before it arrives.....
As a follow on to my last post ...basically what I THINK found out was if the sim card was configured to work only on a 3G phone..(some networks do this so that they cannot be put in a 2.5g phone and constantly roam on).....then it would pair with the Bluetooth module in Mercedes however never get recieption.
I tried this on several phones including 6233 6280 N80 E61.....just to name a few....ALL PAIRED....however If I put a Vodaofone 3g Card in then IT worked .....IF i put a Three 3G card in it didnt.....BUMMER CAUSE I'm with THREE.....
I hope this helps in some way and Im more than happy to be corrected however these are my first hand expeirnces....I WANT TO USED THE TYTN in my MErc so Im keen to help in amy way....I have unlimited access to phones...so if anyone has any other suggestions Im happy to give it a go....
Mark

At the moment, you'll find that by default the merc kit won't even see the Tytn (it's a pocket pc, not a phone as far as Bluetooth is concerned). You can hack the registry to change this, but then the phone will be seen, but pairing will fail. Hopefully, the forthcoming firmware update will fix this - I've had mail back from HTC support to suggest they know there are problems with the SAP support.

Mercedes BT
Is there anyone who had paired Nokia phones with Mercedes BT(euro spec) successfully? I had tried for several Nokia phones (6230i/6270/6280) to pair with BT ,all failed. I can just find the 16-digit PIN on Comand, no phone appears on Comand. Phone & Comand can't find each other. Do I have to set other setting except the "bluetooth setting" for mobile phone? Even I try to "search for audio enhancements" and 'find no devices' at all .

Thanks Petes,
Did they give any idea on time frames?...Did you have any thoughts about my experience with the different sim cards....
Mark

I am considering buying the HTC TyTN and the Merc Bluetooth module so I am very keen to know if anyone can get this working.
Thanks,
Ady

Nope - no news on timescales I'm afraid - just waiting for the firmware update from HTC. I'm reluctant to try the iMate firmware at the moment - until there's an HTC to go back to in case something goes awry. Has anyone had a chance to try SAP with either of the newer firmwares (iMate or Dopod) - might give us a good clue if the HTC one's going to work.

I've connected my 6230i easily enough, just remember to allow "auto connect without confirmation" on the phone after entering the 16 digit code
I have tried my HW6915 pocket pc but like the other PPC's it is not recognised

A reply I got from HTC support on 21/09/2006 asking about the Merc SAP problem was:
At present the TyTN is only compatable with a limited number of kits. A ROM update will be released shortly to update this.
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So fingers crossed that it will be soon and solve the problem.

I asked them the same thing a while ago and just checked back in on availability. Just got ...
"At present the HTC ROM for the TyTN is being written and tested and we expect it to be released in the very near future."
So, patience is a virtue I hear....

Bluetooth problem on hw6915

Firstly, I love this phone, it almost does exactly what I want, Ok Windows Mobile 6.x would be good but I can without that, what I can't live with is the Bluetooth problem I have.
My device will not connect to the integrated bluetooth within my Skoda Octavia - it pairs up OK, but won't transfer the phonebook, and then after 5-10mins the connection is dropped! While it's connect it'll receive calls OK. The BT in the car is identified as SKODA_UHV, which I understand is the same of other VAG (Volkswagen Audi Group) cars, albeit with a different name.
It's been back to HP three times, the last time it came back with different BT version software installed, but that hasn't helped.
The car works fine with my old Nokia phone (and the HTC S710), the BT kit installed is the latest Skoda version....
Beer tokens await anyone who can provide a fix.....

do you see "hand free" on this connection? more things iI can think of is that lots of problems are due to lack of memory (device not card) pleas look at other thread on this issue it dose happen with new users ,one more thing is that you can set the connection to be not scure go over the settings

Yes the icon appears - everything is fine and works well for around 10mins, the the connection is broken.
The same happens if the unit is cold booted (thus ensuring maximum memory) and regardless of the security settings.

look for "ms-bt-stock" on xda ,you can also use google like "xda ms-bt..." see if one f the cabs will do the trick but from that day on you will not have your current bt screen (you can uninstall orHR) backup your device before installing so you can hr and restore ,good luck

X2 and PBAP (Phonebook Access Protocol)

Anyone can confirm that the supposedly present PBAP protocol is working ?
Altough my X2 is working generally better than expected, the my Alpine Car stereo is not able to show the phone's contacts.
That Car stereo was able to show the contacts with almost any phone I tried in the last couple of years.
Notably the samsung i780, the Xperia X1, the imate 8502 (which is a Mobinnova product), all the sonyericsson featurephones (k800, w995, G705, etc...).
So, is that protocol truly present (as stated on the bt cpl), and there is some compatibility issue, or is simply missing ?
Can you share your experience ?

I have no problems with the RBAP protocol on my Parrot MKi9000.
Maybe there's a problem with you Stereo.
Cheers.

Jolo_ said:
I have no problems with the RBAP protocol on my Parrot MKi9000.
Maybe there's a problem with you Stereo.
Cheers.
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Thanks for the info.
Maybe wm 6.5.x has changed something on the protocol so the radio won't recognize it.
I'll try to flash the radio with the latest firmware to see if the problem is solved.
I haven't upgraded the FW, since it worked W/O a single problem, with any device I tried (excluding the N900 that was released w/o PBAP support).

Ok, updated the car stereo's firmware (not so easy task) to the latest revision, the caller ID is still unsent, and the phonebook unavailable from the radio's display.
The compatibility list of this FW is huge
http://italy.alpine-europe.com/file...ion3.60/CC_CDE_103BT_CDE_113BT_ver3_60_IT.pdf
So I'm still convinced that something is wrong on the X2 itself or on the windows version installed.

I have the same problem, my car can access the phone book on other phones, but not on the X2.
Anyone know what to do?

svert said:
I have the same problem, my car can access the phone book on other phones, but not on the X2.
Anyone know what to do?
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I have the X2 and a JVC KD-NX5000 car stereo (outboard/integrated BT attachment). The X1 worked fairly flawlessly over BT (with gtrab's custom firmware).
Although I have not figured-out how to get MS Voice Cmd on the X2 to initiate calls from the JVC, the following software cured the Phonebook problem:
http://www.jetwaremobile.com/
They offer a free 30-day demo, and it's only $15 for the registered version. There's a command on the menu where (once you are paired with your BT radio), you 'force-feed' the contacts over to the radio. Worked like a charm for me. And, it's actually a bit preferable to the 'phone handles it' method. On the X1, it took the phonebook on its own, but it would update only under unknown/unexpected circumstances. With JetMobile, I believe you can re-send/overlay the contacts whenever you'd like.
(Note: This is using X2 and the May MR2 firmware release with the Saturn theme.)