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Hi,
I'm a new MDA II owner (since yesterday) and already ran into some weird problems.
One prob is: the MDA II is closing open programms after some idletime in the backround. That means, if you e.g. open pocketinformant, and put it into backround (as an Icon in tray) and you wait some secs (about 30-60), the pocketinformant just pops away. Also with some other programms: Totalcommander, XCPUScalar, almost every programm with icon is being shut down by the MDA II (or some garbagetool).
If you hold them in focus, the resist.
It doens't matter if you are activesynced or not...
Tools like smallmenue or wisbaradv or pocket controller are not shut down.
Any idea?
Sincerely
Dejan
Common,
you're the XDA-Developers, whoelse as you might now, which tweak in the registry, which .dll or whatelse leads this device to handle open programm in such a bad manner.
How can I make the device not closing some programms? Does anybody knows a tool, which prevents other tools from being closed?
Anybody?
128mb and still 94% free RAM, because the device closes the software as soon as it goes in the backround....
Greets
Dejan Ivkovic
Yeah seen the same problem here, no way to fix it yet.
Re: MDA II closing programs after some ideltime
IvkovicD said:
Hi,
I'm a new MDA II owner (since yesterday) and already ran into some weird problems.
One prob is: the MDA II is closing open programs after some idle-time in the background. That means, if you e.g. open pocket informant, and put it into background (as an Icon in tray) and you wait some secs (about 30-60), the pocket informant just pops away. Also with some other programs: Total commander, XCPUScalar, almost every program with icon is being shut down by the MDA II (or some garbage tool).
If you hold them in focus, the resist.
It doesn't matter if you are activesynced or not...
Tools like smallmenue or wisbaradv or pocket controller are not shut down.
Any idea?
Sincerely
Dejan
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Sounds like you're running low on program memory, if thats the case
your device is doing what its suppose to do! Open a few programs and then check your memory and see.
HTH
HTH
Not in my case, over 80Mb free...
@qman
well, this should be the normal way, IF I run into some memory trouble. :wink:
But, my Autostart/Startup is quite filled up with the default programms, which are being loaded by system to handle alle the little goodies form the PE AND which are being installed by default during first initialisation after hardreset.
Dispite that, I only load two other programms while booting: smenue and wisbaradvance (not worth being counted as memoryconsumer). Still have 94% of programm memory free, (or about 65MBRam. So If I load PI4, I might use some 100kb/s, and than PWord, which uses some more 100Kb/s. Ok. I still might have about 90-92% of programm ram free (aprox. 62-63MB, I cannot get the right value, because the MDA just closes the PI4 :x )
So the routine might do the right thing, but in wrong time and toooooo conservative.
BTW, this effect is also shown up on a fresh hardreseted device, just load pie and pword amd pexcel, you will see, how PIE is just vanished....
Greets
Dejan
BTW Does anybody know some dudes at MS Developing stuff (esp. Windows Mobile 2003 Phoe Edition)? In my eyes, this is one ofe these:
1. The memorycoresettings are copied from earlier days, while the devices only had 16-32 mb memory. :lol:
2. Is a bug.
Big Bug in memorhandling for open programms
Big bug in memoryhanding for open programms
I've posted following message to the microsoft.public.pocketps.phone_edition newsgroup with hope, that any of the Microsoft developer would read it, and post an reply:
to "Microsoft Mobile Stuff"
please confirm following bug:
The new Windows Mobile 2003 Phone Edition (at least german edition, might also be at english one) has a big bug at the memoryhandling routine, which handles the closing of open programms to keep programm-memory free.
Situtation: if you load programms and get over 16mb of used memory for programms at the shared memory pool of your device, the device (here especially MDA/XDA II) starts closing programms until it gets under 16 mb again, it doesn't matter, if your device has 128 Mb free, or you moved the slider at memory configuration to the left, so the programm memory is > 80 MB)
If you load enough load-and-stay-resident programms (traytools, menue extensions, desktop enhancments e.g. wisbar, smenue, pocket controler, aso.) to keep more than 16 mb used, you cannot load any further programms, because the device reports insufficant memory for execution. You can only use the loaded tools.
If you remove all \windows\startup entries and boot clean, you can load all the programms, which are being closed before, without any problems, the programms stay in memory for hours....
luck, the telephontool is somekind hardwired, so it functions even if other programms are quit with memoryerrors...
If this value of 16mb is not being set up into registry, than it is a hardcoded bug.
Anyway
Please check this out, especially an foreign language Mobile 2003 OS, and provide an bugfix fast, because with 16mb of usable programm-memory, you hardly can use your PE in a professional fashion!
Sincerely
a frustrated PE user.
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You can check this effect just load programms and look at your memory consumption. It (MDA) should close all programms until you get under 16 megs again, if it cannot, because of resident programms, you will get insufficant memory errors.
Dejan
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Just don't want to retype it again
http://www.tekguru.co.uk/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=512&sid=524b13482c3e2596000dde9a7cc05e09
Is this a hardware problem or an issue with the ROM on HTC Himalaya Phone Edition devices? Or is it a problem with Windows Mobile 2003 Phone Edition?
I mean... Will/Can this be fixed through a software/firmware update?
From the Microsoft Newsgroup:
Windows Mobile 2003 supports only 33 Processes at a time!
After a normal start the XDA II has over 26 running processes, so removing the Flash-Programs and every not needed app in Autostart is a good idea!
Hi,
I've recently started using my XDA II, but I'm having a very frustrating problem which I suspect may be a 'feature' of PocketPC 2003 memory management.
When I open up applications and then switch focus away from them (e.g., by using a task switcher like Go, Smallmenu, MagicButton, etc.) they then 'close' themselves in the background.
This is annoying enough when it's just e.g., viewing a file and then have to reopen it and find your place again, but it's seriously irritating when you're in the middle of a task, swap out for a few seconds, and then try to return only to find that PocketExcel has closed, having 'saved' your file with a silly name, meaning you have to open it again. In some apps it even seems to lead to data loss (e.g., if you're half way through entering a new contact, and then do something else, you lose your half-completed entry).
I've got stacks of memory free, so if it's a memory management 'feature' it's being far, far too zealous in reclaiming what it thinks are "unused" resources.
Does anyone else have this problem -- and if so, is there a way to solve it? (please say yes!)
thanks!
Greg.
Hello gregmarsh,
this is a well-known issue with all XDA2 and alike devices (i.e. MDA2, i-Mate etc.) and early ROM's such as 1.03 etc. Check the following link for more info on this issue with a few suggestions how to (at least partialy) get rid off it:
http://ppcw.net/mobile2003.php?itemid=1645
The good news is that the number of running processes have been reduced in ROM 1.60.
PavelR.
PavelR,
Thanks for your help on this point -- I will try some of those suggestions.
I hope that O2 releases a new supported version of the ROM soon (I don't quite have the guts to flash this myself just in case all hell breaks loose...!)
cheers,
Greg.
Bigface title to a not sure method, but with hoping success for the object.
I think everybody is fighting with this nerve-racking memory bug in wm5+vga+universal thing.
Me too.
Very very hard.
I'm very angry with this statement.
I bought the newest, most professional PDA with the oldest, most amateur speed.
It is not new for anybody, I'm sure.
I've opened this topic to solve this *******, because I think ROMupgrade is coming very slow.
I tried hundreds of different things to keep my RAM's free memory and get my Jasjar/MDApro/Exec more speed.
I'd like to share my experience to you and I'd like you to share your experience to us, to understand why does it happen.
OK....so.....
1) My first and biggest remark in this theme:
gwes.exe (this is a system process, which is runnig continously with the system to let us using functions of our device)
It is runnig with the following modules: (on my device, it is not sure all on yours too, but I think almost)
lrgwesex.dll
touch.dll
commctrl.dll.0409.mui
commctrl.dll
aygshell.dll
keybddr.dll
ddi.dll
toolhelp.dll
gwes.exe.0409.mui
toolhelp.dll
ceddk.dll
coredll.dll.0409.mui
ossvcs.dll
ole32.dll
coredll.dll
So...this gwes.exe starts with the system after a soft reset taking about 6MB RAM memory.
If you are watching carefully, when your RAM is getting less this gwes.exe is getting bigger.
In one of my examples after a soft reset I had 24MB free memory, and when I had just something like 4MB I checked the running services.
And you know what???
gwes.exe was using by then 19.5MB from the memory!!!!!!!!!!!
So I think when you start an application, system files are using more memory with applications, but when you close the application you have just more with the memory using by this application but less with the memory using by the system with this application.
I'm not sure with this, but i'm sure there is a big problem with this gwes.exe service.
I found more processes (device.exe, filesys.exe, cprog.exe, shell32.exe, repllog.exe) which are doing something the same but not that much than gwes.exe.
So if somebody has some reflections about this write it down to us!
2) A lot of people say there is a hack in the registry / storage manager cache keys which we increase, system will operate with higher speed.
I'm not sure now.
I tried a lot with different keys, and my suggestion is totally the opposite than that: when I set different cache keys (glyphcache, storage cahes...) to zero the system eats less memory and something the same with the speed.
Interesting.
I don't have exact results in these points, but thinking about somewhere here the answers.
Please help us to find the solution together to solve this irritating bug!
Sorry for my english, I'm hungarian.
THX
Tuningszöcske (It is in english something like Tuning-Grasshoper)
Here are my results ...
After Reset
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gwes 6.49 MB
filesys 1.86 MB
shell32 1.95 MB
cprog 2.12 MB
device 1.46 MB
services 215 KB
connmgr 91 KB
After Bloating
=========
gwes 12.7 MB
filesys 2.7 MB
shell32 2.39 MB
cprog 2.12 MB
device 2.3 MB
repllog 555 KB
services 407 KB
connmgr 111 KB
GWES really does bloat up a lot over time. Did a search on the net and it appears to be graphics related ...
It's good to see other's same results.
I'm searching for the answers countinously too...
I never have a memory issue with my dopod900, even after a week of usage with various games and application, the memory still remain around 22++M. Will try to check up the result and post it here.
I also want to know why........
After the reset, my machine has around 20M left and after a while, only 11M left and that's last for quite a long time. I have no experience that the memory is only around 4M....
Cheers,
chtan said:
I never have a memory issue with my dopod900, even after a week of usage with various games and application, the memory still remain around 22++M. Will try to check up the result and post it here.
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Are you using the stock machine without all the tweaks ? I mean have you applied optimizations like cache settings, etc ?
I'm just wondering if it might have something to do with some of the changes we made to improve performance :?
The issue is partially duie to Microsoft, but also partially due to 3rd party developers. I know for a fact that a lot of developers do not bother to have their applications issue defragment or compact instructions to the operating system after closing. They take up place and resources in the memory heap but do not "give them back" after they close.
You can blame the Universal as much as you want, but in my opinion it's one hell of a machine that had the misfortune to be the first officially released WM5 machine out there. Microsoft is indeed working on speed, stability and other issues form their end (the latest O2 Exec rom is by far the fastest and most stable ROM there is), but the developers need to do their bit as well and start working on their program's behaviour.
"If a kid does not tidy up his room, it's likely it will start losing things"
Wiz said:
The issue is partially duie to Microsoft, but also partially due to 3rd party developers. I know for a fact that a lot of developers do not bother to have their applications issue defragment or compact instructions to the operating system after closing. They take up place and resources in the memory heap but do not "give them back" after they close.
You can blame the Universal as much as you want, but in my opinion it's one hell of a machine that had the misfortune to be the first officially released WM5 machine out there. Microsoft is indeed working on speed, stability and other issues form their end (the latest O2 Exec rom is by far the fastest and most stable ROM there is), but the developers need to do their bit as well and start working on their program's behaviour.
"If a kid does not tidy up his room, it's likely it will start losing things"
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Hmmm, you would think that Microsoft would be smart enough to put in some checks to automatically release the memory used by a an application after it closes :?
I don't blame the universal, the hardware is fine and I'm quite happy with it. I do however blame Microsoft. WM5 is just soooo slow. If I didn't do all the performance tweaks that's been discussed here, I don't think I can live with this device. You have to understand that I come from using 3 generations of Palm devices previously, and even though they are using much slower processors, they are waaay more responsive than WM5.
The last Palm I used was the Sony Clie NX70. I used it for 2 years without having to do ROM upgrades, etc. and it worked just fine. One would think that given the number of years that Microsoft had to improve WM, that they would be able to do a better job. As it is now, I'm finding all kinds of weird bugs all over.
Well, I'm just frustrated, sorry for ranting :lol:
christan said:
The last Palm I used was the Sony Clie NX70. I used it for 2 years without having to do ROM upgrades, etc. and it worked just fine. One would think that given the number of years that Microsoft had to improve WM, that they would be able to do a better job. As it is now, I'm finding all kinds of weird bugs all over.
Well, I'm just frustrated, sorry for ranting :lol:
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I have been making the same point - M$ should know better and memory management is not bleeding egde tech. My Symbian devices have rock solid memory management, they just keep running for weeks and months without the need for a reset. For a US$1000 we should expect better quality all round. Lets hope in te next 6 months we finally get what we paid for.
jah said:
christan said:
The last Palm I used was the Sony Clie NX70. I used it for 2 years without having to do ROM upgrades, etc. and it worked just fine. One would think that given the number of years that Microsoft had to improve WM, that they would be able to do a better job. As it is now, I'm finding all kinds of weird bugs all over.
Well, I'm just frustrated, sorry for ranting :lol:
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I have been making the same point - M$ should know better and memory management is not bleeding egde tech. My Symbian devices have rock solid memory management, they just keep running for weeks and months without the need for a reset. For a US$1000 we should expect better quality all round. Lets hope in te next 6 months we finally get what we paid for.
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I sure hope someone here can figure out a hack to fix this soon, cause as it is now, I'm having to soft reset at least once a day, quite often more.
Can any users here who are NOT experiencing the memory leak issues come forward ? I think we would all like to know what we're doing differently that might be causing the memory leaks ...
chtan said:
I never have a memory issue with my dopod900, even after a week of usage with various games and application, the memory still remain around 22++M. Will try to check up the result and post it here.
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Hi chtan!
Is it possible to ask you to backup your registry to a file and upload here?
Just to see what is different in your system than ours.
And which is your ROM and ExtendedROM version?
THX
Hint
Hi Guys,
The above phenomenon is due to the reason that now we all have data in the flash memory.I was using earlier Nokia Symbian phones, viz 6600,9500...in all these the same used to happen and I had to restart the device...but there are 3rd party softwares, which compress the RAM if the above thing happens and we are at the initital full RAM memory w/o restarting the device...like Stacker, Switcher etc...similarly we also have "Place Maker" for Smart Phones...to do the same...someone can try this app...or someone can make an app to do the same...I hope this gives some light to solve this problem..
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hdubli said:
Hi Guys,
The above phenomenon is due to the reason that now we all have data in the flash memory.I was using earlier Nokia Symbian phones, viz 6600,9500...in all these the same used to happen and I had to restart the device...but there are 3rd party softwares, which compress the RAM if the above thing happens and we are at the initital full RAM memory w/o restarting the device...like Stacker, Switcher etc...similarly we also have "Place Maker" for Smart Phones...to do the same...someone can try this app...or someone can make an app to do the same...I hope this gives some light to solve this problem..
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Yes, you are right.
This is a secondary option to solve this problem.
But I don't know any application for pocket pc which does RAM-compression.
Do you know one?
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Tuningszocske said:
hdubli said:
Hi Guys,
The above phenomenon is due to the reason that now we all have data in the flash memory.I was using earlier Nokia Symbian phones, viz 6600,9500...in all these the same used to happen and I had to restart the device...but there are 3rd party softwares, which compress the RAM if the above thing happens and we are at the initital full RAM memory w/o restarting the device...like Stacker, Switcher etc...similarly we also have "Place Maker" for Smart Phones...to do the same...someone can try this app...or someone can make an app to do the same...I hope this gives some light to solve this problem..
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Yes, you are right.
This is a secondary option to solve this problem.
But I don't know any application for pocket pc which does RAM-compression.
Do you know one?
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By RAM compression, do you mean an active app that runs in the background to automatically compress stuff in RAM then decompress stuff in the RAM on-the-fly when used ?
If it is what I think it is, I don't think RAM compression is the way to go unless there is absolutely no other solution, cause compression-decompression will have a significant performance impact.
I think it's more important to get to the root of the problem
NO.
There are many applications for PC which make the RAM free from unused services, applications, files...
Using this method, you don't need to restart your machine.
It worth it for me to push a button or a shortcut to free the memory without a softreset.
Tuningszocske said:
NO.
There are many applications for PC which make the RAM free from unused services, applications, files...
Using this method, you don't need to restart your machine.
It worth it for me to push a button or a shortcut to free the memory without a softreset.
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Opps, I misunderstood the use of the term "Compression" there ...
Yes, if someone can come up with an app that can "clean" up the RAM, that would be good too
Wiz said:
The issue is partially duie to Microsoft, but also partially due to 3rd party developers. I know for a fact that a lot of developers do not bother to have their applications issue defragment or compact instructions to the operating system after closing. They take up place and resources in the memory heap but do not "give them back" after they close.
You can blame the Universal as much as you want, but in my opinion it's one hell of a machine that had the misfortune to be the first officially released WM5 machine out there. Microsoft is indeed working on speed, stability and other issues form their end (the latest O2 Exec rom is by far the fastest and most stable ROM there is), but the developers need to do their bit as well and start working on their program's behaviour.
"If a kid does not tidy up his room, it's likely it will start losing things"
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No hack or tweak applied, everything in stock condition. This confirmed my suspicious that Exec and I-mate only having this problem and this is due to their highly customized rom set.
That is strange.. I also have Dopod 900 and suffer from the same problem of memory leaks. The first time I got my Dopod 900 with factory default settings and applications, I played with it for 2 days and noticed that the memory went down to 15++ M.
So I would assume that without any 3rd party applications installed, memory leaks problem is there..
Chtan!
Then you could be a magician, because - i think - we all use the ROM with factory settings after a hard reset, and then - same as you -, when we install a lot of different applications and games, we have the memory leak.
So, what about this registry backup for us?
Or can you write it here the apps and games you use?
I have not performed a soft reset for 5 days. I am performing a test on how long my EXEC can last without having to perform a soft reset. I use mine regularly everyday, about an hour on phone calls, 2 hours on browsing using PIE, the usual opening and closing of applications, and I leave it at night charging while playing a DVD on a continuous loop for non-stop movie playback. I do admit the only time I notice slow downs (4 seconds to open an application) is if I leave about 10 open applications at the same time running in the background. That is why I make sure I close all open applications after use using Handy Menu's option to close all. As of now here is my memory allocations:
Storage
Total: 43.72 MB
In use: 14.52 MB
Free: 29.19 MB
Program
Total: 49.93 MB
In use: 30.94 MB
Free : 18.99 MB (with active sync open and running attached to my computer) If I unplugged my EXEC and close active sync, it goes back to 20.19 MB
These are all my open applications and memory usage without any slow downs:
gwes.exe: 7.48 MB
filesys.exe: 2.72 MB
device.exe: 2.43 MB
cprog.exe: 2.33 MB
shell32.exe: 1.43 MB
repllog.exe: 499.69 KB
services.exe: 227.76 KB
tmail.exe: 163.62 KB
connmgr.exe: 131.81 KB
HandyMenu.exe: 123.81 KB
rapiclnt: 115.90 KB
poutlook.exe: 47.90 KB
SDDaemon.exe: 47.90 KB
MemMaid.exe: 23.90 KB
shfind.exe: 19.90 KB
srvtrust.exe: 7.90 KB
NK.EXE: 0 Bytes
Even with these applications open. My EXEC runs fine with no slow downs.
I am happy with my EXEC. Even after 12 hours of continuous Movie playback at night, I don't feel my EXEC over heating. This thing is amazing!
Does anyone know how I can get more program memory on my Wizard? I've come to the conclusion that the only way to get zippy program access on the WM5 device is to leave the programs running. Unfortunately I'm always running into "low on memory" conditions. With no software running I have 20 meg free program memory. With my regular suite of tools running I'm down to 4 megs making use of pocket IE limited. I looking for either a software or hardware solution.
Thank you
Richard
i second the question...
is there maybe a way to use the storage card for program memory?
Sadly, there is no easy way to increase the RAM available AND keep programs "zippy".
My personal solution is, set programs to close (with Pocket Plus or any other similar program) and overclock.
yeah, i am doing the same like romp, but if we can find a way to repartiion the memory of the device to make more available memory for the apps will be great
closing works but not the answer
I had the skey program set to close apps except the ones I specified but truthfully this isn'th the best answer. WM5 progs take to long to initially load so I like to leave them open to have the speedy appearance of a treo650. The list of programs I had set to minimize on close with skey was more than available memory would be able to handle.
I did check on a hardware solution and it appears that on WM5 devices we are out of luck. PPCtechs tried on a few treo 700W's with no luck memory size is hard coded into the OS.
Shame too since I'm almost a convert to this device for hacking reasons. For business use the Palm OS treo's kill WM5 devices and that's shamefull since OS updates have been almost nonexistent. Heck even palm os can use 4 gig cards with fat32.
Anyway different thread i've found enough third party software to make my wizard experience close to the treo's. I must say this though no matter what I have done this is not a one handed use device. it requires the pen too often.
Cheers
Many users, including Kevin Rose from Digg.com, have dumped Windows Mobile phones for the sake of other platforms, because they had impression that these phones are slow, much too slow. This impression results from the fact that in Windows Mobile Pocket PC edition applications continue running in the background after user pressed (i.e. tapped with stylus) "X" button of the given program. This is counter-intuitive and makes people think that applications were closed. Big number of applications running in background, of which users are unaware, results in slow operation.
"HTC X-Button" application is included in latest Pocket PC phones manufactured by HTC and recently it even surfaced on the Internet in form of "HTC X-Button.CAB" file, that can be installed:
... and can run in any Pocket PC device (no just HTC-manufactured):
Unfortunately due to legal reasons we cannot publish "HTC X-Button.CAB" application, but we hereby ask developers to develop similar (or the same) program! HTC has proven that not only it is possible but also, that such program works in non-HTC manufactured Pocket PC phones (we tested it). It is not for us to judge how difficult it is to develop such application, but certainly for sure it is possible as HTC shows.
By the way: it is worth noticing that HTC really cares about customer satisfaction because it includes this HTC X-Button application with their latest Pocket PC phones. Such (at first glance) small things really make a difference...
from msmobiles.com
who can get it ?
digifan said:
Many users, including Kevin Rose from Digg.com, have dumped Windows Mobile phones for the sake of other platforms, because they had impression that these phones are slow, much too slow. This impression results from the fact that in Windows Mobile Pocket PC edition applications continue running in the background after user pressed (i.e. tapped with stylus) "X" button of the given program. This is counter-intuitive and makes people think that applications were closed. Big number of applications running in background, of which users are unaware, results in slow operation.
"HTC X-Button" application is included in latest Pocket PC phones manufactured by HTC and recently it even surfaced on the Internet in form of "HTC X-Button.CAB" file, that can be installed:
... and can run in any Pocket PC device (no just HTC-manufactured):
Unfortunately due to legal reasons we cannot publish "HTC X-Button.CAB" application, but we hereby ask developers to develop similar (or the same) program! HTC has proven that not only it is possible but also, that such program works in non-HTC manufactured Pocket PC phones (we tested it). It is not for us to judge how difficult it is to develop such application, but certainly for sure it is possible as HTC shows.
By the way: it is worth noticing that HTC really cares about customer satisfaction because it includes this HTC X-Button application with their latest Pocket PC phones. Such (at first glance) small things really make a difference...
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i have it runnig in my wizard .i have extrated from another device rom.nice
but is integrated in the rom.as soon i got time i will make a cab.
i also got htc backup but is not runnig yet.
Which device did you get it from? Herald?
doedoe said:
Which device did you get it from? Herald?
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funny enough it was from a prophet rom.
Which ROM? I would also like to extract this application.
This HTC app is nothing new. There are plenty other legal free and commercial task managers out there.
Here is an excellent example: MagicButton.
It lets you close apps by clicking the X as well as switch between apps like Alt + TAB on PC.
There is also WizBar and SPB TodayPlus etc.
There is no need to extract anything from ROM or to re-invent the wheel (unless you wont to hone your programming skills).
Also I am quite curios as to how MS will respond to this move. According to a blog of one of their developers (don't remember the link now) they care about this "smart-minimize" crap so much, at first they didn't let manufacturers add any app in to ROM that had as much as an EXIT option in the menu. According to them "user should not manage memory".
levenum said:
This HTC app is nothing new. There are plenty other legal free and commercial task managers out there.
Here is an excellent example: MagicButton.
It lets you close apps by clicking the X as well as switch between apps like Alt + TAB on PC.
There is also WizBar and SPB TodayPlus etc.
There is no need to extract anything from ROM or to re-invent the wheel (unless you wont to hone your programming skills).
Also I am quite curios as to how MS will respond to this move. According to a blog of one of their developers (don't remember the link now) they care about this "smart-minimize" crap so much, at first they didn't let manufacturers add any app in to ROM that had as much as an EXIT option in the menu. According to them "user should not manage memory".
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is about choice and prefences.as how they will react? how do they do react to the stuff we been doing to roms for years in this site?
im suprised tey havent shut down this site yet! or maybe they are learning from it!!!!!!
Well there is a big difference between this site and a company like HTC.
After all this is an unofficial gathering of enthusiasts and MS probably doesn't want to come down to hard on potential consumers even when they tweak ROMs here and there.
HTC on the other hand is one of the largest mobile OEMs in the world that works closely with MS (according to an article I recently read) so it comes across as sort of betrayal, don't you think?
It is 110% right move for us users though.
I find closing applications to be slower than smart minimising them. A Microsoft blog I read when WM5 was launched specifically stated that devices work faster when minimising, providing you have suffecient program memory (not lacking on the Prophet). This is because understandebly Windows takes much longer to open an application than maximising it.
Once in while I just end all programs and give the phone a restart (power off and power on rather than soft reset).
Yes that is the theory, but note the providing you have sufficient program memory bit.
Media player alone when active can eat 5-7 MB (which is why I never use it).
Unfortunately program memory is still short since maximum devices have is "64 MB" which if you are very careful can leave you with 30MB free on the Prophet after reset.
Yes, maximizing apps is faster than loading, but MS forgot a critical point:
There is no easy way to switch between minimized apps built in to WM which only makes things worth. Once you minimize something not only does it keep taking memory, but you also need to go all the way through Settings->System->Memory->Running apps to reactivate or get rid of it.
Sorry to drag this thread towards an argument, but there is no question in my mind that this is one of those cases where MS made a huge mistake and instead of fixing it now trying to sell it as a "feature".
When WM OS runs out of memory, it automatically closes the unused (minimized) apps. It just sees no need to close them if there are unused RAM available anyway, so apps are "cached" in case they will be used again.
You can easely switch between "current set" of apps - just reduce the number of "fixed" icons in the start menu. I leave only Help there and entire Windows Start menu becomes a large MRU list, like on smartphones - and I easely use it to switch between active apps.
The problem of "running slow" lies with badly designed apps. Actually, application should never consume significant CPU resources when lieing in background, but some bad developers forget about this fact.
All built-in applications behave nice. I have a process CPU utilization viewer, and can easely see that these apps when minimized dont even use 1% of processor time.