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Hi all.
Been in discussion with the others and apphoen will transfer the funds to me this week. We will (if all goes to plan) be buying either 1 Ameo (near new for £425.00) with 12 months guarantee from a shop (known very well to myself - have done a lot of business with them). I say near new because the Unit is not in an unopened box from T-Mobile, but as far as I know it is in great condition (I will inspect and test it myself thoroughly ).
As the Euro fund stands at around 790 or thereabouts, this only equates to around £531. Not a great start for the next device, but at least the development on a CID/Sim unlocker can begin.
Unfortunately as you are all well aware, in order to get the 2nd device for our ROM cooker Midget, we will have to raise more money as we may have to pay full price (worst case scenario), but I will try within the same shop (franchise) to see if they have other units at their other branches across the country. They had an X7500 a month ago, but I didn't pay much attention as we hadn't started the project.
I prefer to deal with an establishment with a 12 months guarantee and a place I can physically take any potential device back to, if the need should arise. E-bay is great, but personally I like to buy expensive equipment from places where I can return it in person should I need to.
Any objections?
If not, we may have our first Unit this week. As I said...Blow the original supplier with his cheap prices...he was a time-waster and our contributors wasted no time in donating to this cause, therefore it is only right that we don't allow anyone else to hold up progress.
So thanks to all contributors thus far, apphoen, boinger66, ltxda, Midget, Olipro and others who I have neglected to mention. Thanks for your dedication and and hard work. We'll get it done.
Meanwhile you can contribute to the new paypal account which I setup a week ago or so..it's verified and good to go. Why another one, you ask?
Because I'm based in the UK and so are the developers. So I can quickly purchase a device and send off to the devs as soon as I get a Unit (same day special delivery). No other reason. Another contributor can take this responsibility on if there are any objections. But if there are none....you can count on me to do my best for the benefit of us all.
Between apphoen, boinger66 and myself, we are finalizing the mailing system...been a long time coming, I know. But once established it will serve us well in keeping all contributors updated about progress and also any problems developers might face.
Anyway...that's enough waffle from me.
I'll be in touch.
Please don't PM me unless it somehow contributes to the project...just until both devs have their units. It takes me a long time to answer all these PM's and not all are relevant to what we are trying to achieve. I need to stay focused as I have to work for a living too. Hope no one takes offense to this...it's not intended to.
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Current Donations Towards the 2nd Athena
apphoen - £20
Unknown - £20
mackaby007 - £20
hdbueller - £10
wgary - £10
jpvdp - £20
stupiddog - £20
Unknown - £20
Rougenator - £50
Boinger66 - £20
Anonymous - £20
cayotte - £15
Unknown - £10
mikechannon - £50
Payout to Mark as he needed more for the 1st Athena
-£47.55
Recieved back from Mark (ended up getting a better deal)
£135.00
Loaned from mikechannon
£50
Paypal Fees
-£20.74
Totals:
Total: £421.71 (I will pay the rest)Required: £50 to payback mikechannon
Please PM me (Midget_1990) when you Donate!
Develop or shens.
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mackaby007 said:
Hi all.
Been in discussion with the others and apphoen will transfer the funds to me this week. We will (if all goes to plan) be buying either 1 Ameo (near new for £425.00) with 12 months guarantee from a shop (known very well to myself - have done a lot of business with them). I say near new because the Unit is not in an unopened box from T-Mobile, but as far as I know it is in great condition (I will inspect and test it myself thoroughly ).
As the Euro fund stands at around 790 or thereabouts, this only equates to around £531. Not a great start for the next device, but at least the development on a CID/Sim unlocker can begin.
Unfortunately as you are all well aware, in order to get the 2nd device for our ROM cooker Midget, we will have to raise more money as we may have to pay full price (worst case scenario), but I will try within the same shop (franchise) to see if they have other units at their other branches across the country. They had an X7500 a month ago, but I didn't pay much attention as we hadn't started the project.
I prefer to deal with an establishment with a 12 months guarantee and a place I can physically take any potential device back to, if the need should arise. E-bay is great, but personally I like to buy expensive equipment from places where I can return it in person should I need to.
Any objections?
If not, we may have our first Unit this week. As I said...Blow the original supplier with his cheap prices...he was a time-waster and our contributors wasted no time in donating to this cause, therefore it is only right that we don't allow anyone else to hold up progress.
So thanks to all contributors thus far, apphoen, boinger66, ltxda, Midget, Olipro and others who I have neglected to mention. Thanks for your dedication and and hard work. We'll get it done.
Meanwhile you can contribute to the new paypal account which I setup a week ago or so..it's verified and good to go. Why another one, you ask?
Because I'm based in the UK and so are the developers. So I can quickly purchase a device and send off to the devs as soon as I get a Unit (same day special delivery). No other reason. Another contributor can take this responsibility on if there are any objections. But if there are none....you can count on me to do my best for the benefit of us all.
Between apphoen, boinger66 and myself, we are finalizing the mailing system...been a long time coming, I know. But once established it will serve us well in keeping all contributors updated about progress and also any problems developers might face.
Anyway...that's enough waffle from me.
I'll be in touch.
Please don't PM me unless it somehow contributes to the project...just until both devs have their units. It takes me a long time to answer all these PM's and not all are relevant to what we are trying to achieve. I need to stay focused as I have to work for a living too. Hope no one takes offense to this...it's not intended to.
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Thank goodness!
huh?
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Huh???
mackaby007 said:
Hi all.
Been in discussion with the others and apphoen will transfer the funds to me this week. We will (if all goes to plan) be buying either 1 Ameo (near new for £425.00) with 12 months guarantee from a shop (known very well to myself - have done a lot of business with them). I say near new because the Unit is not in an unopened box from T-Mobile, but as far as I know it is in great condition (I will inspect and test it myself thoroughly ).
As the Euro fund stands at around 790 or thereabouts, this only equates to around £531. Not a great start for the next device, but at least the development on a CID/Sim unlocker can begin.
Unfortunately as you are all well aware, in order to get the 2nd device for our ROM cooker Midget, we will have to raise more money as we may have to pay full price (worst case scenario), but I will try within the same shop (franchise) to see if they have other units at their other branches across the country. They had an X7500 a month ago, but I didn't pay much attention as we hadn't started the project.
I prefer to deal with an establishment with a 12 months guarantee and a place I can physically take any potential device back to, if the need should arise. E-bay is great, but personally I like to buy expensive equipment from places where I can return it in person should I need to.
Any objections?
If not, we may have our first Unit this week. As I said...Blow the original supplier with his cheap prices...he was a time-waster and our contributors wasted no time in donating to this cause, therefore it is only right that we don't allow anyone else to hold up progress.
So thanks to all contributors thus far, apphoen, boinger66, ltxda, Midget, Olipro and others who I have neglected to mention. Thanks for your dedication and and hard work. We'll get it done.
Meanwhile you can contribute to the new paypal account which I setup a week ago or so..it's verified and good to go. Why another one, you ask?
Because I'm based in the UK and so are the developers. So I can quickly purchase a device and send off to the devs as soon as I get a Unit (same day special delivery). No other reason. Another contributor can take this responsibility on if there are any objections. But if there are none....you can count on me to do my best for the benefit of us all.
Between apphoen, boinger66 and myself, we are finalizing the mailing system...been a long time coming, I know. But once established it will serve us well in keeping all contributors updated about progress and also any problems developers might face.
Anyway...that's enough waffle from me.
I'll be in touch.
Please don't PM me unless it somehow contributes to the project...just until both devs have their units. It takes me a long time to answer all these PM's and not all are relevant to what we are trying to achieve. I need to stay focused as I have to work for a living too. Hope no one takes offense to this...it's not intended to.
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Cool.....let's Rock and Roll!!!
A bit slower than hoped for, but no more than 5 days
OK thanks for your support guys. Funds should now hit my account within 5 working days or sooner and I'll get straight to it...no delaying.
Got another member willing to sell his brand new Insurance replacement Ameo...just trying to come to an agreement on best price.
Either way..as soon as I'm in receipt of the funds, 1 Ameo will be sent off within an hour of buying it. (Will test it first though ).
Still need more donations people, nothing has come through as yet.
If you guys feel more comfortable in donating direct to Midgets paypal account (in his signature), let us know here, that is no problem for me This means he can get one directly as he's next in line for a device after our CID/Sim unlocker 'OliPro'. It's all been discussed and agreed with the devs, as we need these solutions before any cooking can take place.
Let me know peeps...I'm not that hot with paypal stuff anyhow.
It's coming along but we need donations please, to make it come together.
Hi all.
Been in discussions with some of the others including our developer Midget_1990. We agree that it is best for future donations to go straight to Midget's paypal account, but he will set up a dedicated account just for this purpose...to get one Ameo/Advantage or Dopod.
Sorry about mucking you all about, but as there haven't been any donations since the last announcements, it will be easier to donate directly to him. If he can't get a Unit cheap enough, he will transfer the funds back to me to buy him an Athena through the contacts built up through this community or my personal channels. Either way things are moving forward for sure.
Not much else to say right now except that I'm liaising with a few peeps out there for devices and we'll let you know when we've actually got one.
No we haven't forgotten the list at all, it's just that everyone's so busy with work that it hasn't all come together as yet...but it will, especially where it counts most of all...development progress.
P.S. Please be assured, absolutely no-one is benefiting personally from this in any way except when we all share in the end result of this venture.
Hi, just set up the email + paypal account, click the button below
As usual I will provide a list of all donators + amounts so we can keep track, an athena will cost around £420 so lets aim for that!
Midget_1990 said:
Hi, just set up the email + paypal account, click the button below
As usual I will provide a list of all donators + amounts so we can keep track, an athena will cost around £420 so lets aim for that!
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Nice one Midget_1990. You'll also get the remainder of the funds after the purchase of the 1st Ameo next week. I'll send it via paypal to you account & donate some myself to get this kickstarted again.
C'mon guys were almost there! Development has already started with our devs guys and some of our xda members with regards to SIM unlocking...were just not publicising anything yet until it's a safe and useable solution for all.
We need your money.
P.S. Midget_1990 can you please add the new Doantion code to your signature please? ....just until we have the required funds for the 2nd Athena. Just in case new potential contributors do not see this thread/post? Cheers matey.
mackaby007 said:
Nice one Midget_1990. You'll also get the remainder of the funds after the purchase of the 1st Ameo next week. I'll send it via paypal to you account & donate some myself to get this kickstarted again.
C'mon guys were almost there! Development has already started with our devs guys and some of our xda members with regards to SIM unlocking...were just not publicising anything yet until it's a safe and useable solution for all.
We need your money.
P.S. Midget_1990 can you please add the new Doantion code to your signature please? ....just until we have the required funds for the 2nd Athena. Just in case new potential contributors do not see this thread/post? Cheers matey.
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Hi Guys, won't be around much now - £20 donated to help us get moving again.
Thanks
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Hi Guys, won't be around much now - £20 donated to help us get moving again.
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You're a gentleman apphoen. Cheers.
C'mon friends we need your support...again
Just donated £20 to help get this kickstarted again.
Thanks for being swift about setting things up Midget. I like the fact that one can also pay by Debit or Credit card.
Yeah, as i said ages ago if you set it up as a non-profit organisation then you can accept direct card payments, no need for an account
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Shens is forum speak for shenanigans or bulls4!t.
Hope that helps
Funds are here...
OK all. Funds are cleared in my account £522.98
We're giving the waste of time supplier one more opportunity to come up with the goods and report something positive today, by 2.00 P.M. GMT, else the purchase of another Ameo will be going ahead...no more time-wasting!
Thanks for your patience all and please keep contributing. So far we will have a minimum of £180.00 towards the 2nd Athena if original supplier (with cheapest prices) falls through again. This is based on the remainder of funds with me after a purchase of £400.00 and including contributions Midget has already received.
So either way, we are on target. We'll keep you informed. There will be an update later today.
Update over at the Athena Project
Hi all. There's an update over at the Athena Project (link in my signature). Xda is running very slow for me today...don't know if anyone else is having the same problem?
Anyway it's all good so far. Won't repeat the update here again...too much to do...too little time.
nobody is interested in this?
28.43 can hardly get an athena
Midget_1990 said:
nobody is interested in this?
28.43 can hardly get an athena
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I do not understand the current fiscal situation. Mackaby007 wrote "So far we will have a minimum of £180.00 towards the 2nd Athena", so I am a bit puzzled here...
Hi all.
Today we have purchased our first device for our developer Olipro...Midget is soon to follow.
The unit cost £425.00 no managers about to give me a discount. But the Ameo is mint )
After sending it insured to Olipro tomorrow morning, it should be with him by this Saturday morning. The balance of the funds then will be shown here, but sent straight to Midgets Paypal account to kickstart the donations for Midget's device...
Please guys & gals we really need your support again. If you can donate anything, it all helps. Don't mean to *****, but if fellow member 'antivirus' hadn't strung us along from the start, I think we may have already had our results.
Instead he has caused us to keep shifting the goal post and pushing progress back..anyway we've moved on now.
The balance of what's left should be about £120.00 or more..but I'll donate again to help get things moving again.
Donate to the special link in Midgets signature. Cheers.
If you can...please donate for Midgets device as with your help we have already got Olipros device.
Thanks again all for your help and support in getting this realised.
Mark
Yes, I can say this whole Antivirus/Reiner debacle has been a major bloody pain in the arse, I would go as far to say there was never any Athenas, the whole thing has been a sham to string us along with alterior motives unknown; possibly to get in touch with members of the community, who knows, either way, the whole thing stunk of bull****, right up to the fact that he claimed to have posted the device off and said he's "scan in" the tracking code... honestly, it's no problem to type the code out.
anyway, there's my two cents, clearly this guy doesn't know the meaning of courtesy or business, so, there we go.
antivirus (german user) was involved here?
if only i would have known....
he told so much ****, postet that much weird stuff on the biggest german ppc forum that every german user could haven warned you. of course that doesn't automatically mean that he's a liar or whatever, but i know this guy just posts fake stuff and is a total pain in the ass. sry to say that, i didn't know he was involved in this project.
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antivirus (german user) was involved here?
if only i would have known....
he told so much ****, postet that much weird stuff on the biggest german ppc forum that every german user could haven warned you. of course that doesn't automatically mean that he's a liar or whatever, but i know this guy just posts fake stuff and is a total pain in the ass. sry to say that, i didn't know he was involved in this project.
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Haha lol. Thanks for confirming what we have now come to learn. I think we could have already achieved the projects objectives if it were not for him.
Well all's well that ends well. Cheers zwuncki.
Hey,
As most of you know, I am the sole owner of touch innovation. I have done alot to this website (and I still have more to come). THe problem is, over the next half year I have alot of work ahead of me, that affects my future. But I don't particulary want to go into it.
I want someone that can look after and keep the site going for up to 6 months. I know you're thinking "What's the point in this, what do I get out of it?". Well, you get experience.
You'll get a weekly number of emails, submissions etc from people that use the website, you can monitor these, and help out there questions.
You can add programs from here etc.
Why Am I asking this?
I have spent months and months of coding this website (considering the website is only 4 months old, it's a lot of work). And I've hit a niche in the market, people want a website like this, and I am supplying them with one, but I need it to be updated while I am gone. Maybe some marketing (aka advertising) as well, so everything is running peak, and more users are coming.
This is a non-profit organisation, I make no money out of it.
I will pay the guy at the end (maybe), dependant on how much they have done to the website. And I want them to take it upon them self to make any adjustments. The site will potentially be yours for the half year (I will be checking up on it, and If there are some changes that are iffy, I will contact you about it).
It's good experience, and maybe helping me + the community out for a while.
Thanks guys,
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Okay, another idea, A team of people can request to be part of the team, and keep the site running well and keep it updated for the time I'm gone
Touch Innovation team (to-be's):
nir36
jackkkkk
Kenshino
jdiperla
AkshayGenius
Hannigan174
churka
Thanks for anyone who helps in advance, I will be up for giving a little price tag at the end, dependant on whether they've applied effort to maintain the site
No one?
I think it would be awesome to have this opportunity but I have no experience in html coding. Just the basics.
I thought I had replied to this :/
Erm, you dont need any html coding skills. You just need to know how to keep a website updated (using xda, and others) using my simple but easy and clever admin panel. Also advertise to keep hits up etc.
Napbree, I would gladly take this website, but i'm MEGAbusy with studies and work.
I suggest that instead of granting this website to another "sole" person, you create users in your admin panel and grant them to a few people who will keep it updated. I build websites and I can tell you that there's no way i'd be able to handle even one of those i've built, myself.
If a group of people are willing to help, I will be one of them.
I'll also try creating commercial opportunities for the website - profitwise.
I'd usually say "This is not the place to post these kind of posts.. use the Q&A section".. which comes naturally nowadays..
but considering the importance of this... I think we need this thread bumped up until you manage to get what you wish for.
Yes, that would be great. You've given me an awesome idea. A team of people that can mointor and keep the site up and running well, and content updated etc.
I'll start making a list of people who want to become part of the team
And if you could get a commercial opportunity, that would be amazing. I'd be up for selling it as well (maybe). It's just I want to keep the site of my hands for a while. Because my dad died only a week ago, and i'm entering a state of depression, and I need to get out into the world and keep myself busy.
Thanks
Someone?
I really like this site, and would like to see it continue.
Nathan has done such great job on developing this site, it would be shame, to see it gone waste!
So anyone who has motivation and some time to take this site under ownership, please contact nathan!
Ps. I'm one of admins of this site, and can tell you that it's really easy to update site, because of the nathan's clever admin panel. I would do it myself if i had the time, but my studies and and other projects takes too much time.
All friends of this site, let's get this thread bumped until we get some help for nathan
Firstly.. i'm sorry. Be well.
Secondly, I have some connections.. I can't promise anything but i might be able to get some advertisments going.. we'll see how it goes.
Also, if manage to get some time off .. sometime.. I'll create flash banners and put them up.
COUNT ME IN.
Thank you allevant
And nir36 thanks again, that would be mucho appreciated! very generous
I'm willing to help...
But I'm not sure if I got any use thou as I got no tech experiences or running a website.
My best experience is being a gaming forum moderator and basic computer/pda knowledge.
But, if you think I'm a good canadiate please let me know as I would like to help in anyways.
You don't really need experience in running a site. As long as you can spend some time on the admin panel to add content, it's all good.
I've added you to the to-be team , hope you don't mind.
Thanks! future for the site is looking brighter this is just a bump post
I'll bump your bump
Dear Napbree,
I am an Application Consultant and actually my job consists of making corporate websites for government entities.
Websites I've done include (not exhaustive list)
http://www.infocommsingapore.sg/industry/
and
http://www.infocommsingapore.sg/games
Same domain but totally different things.
So do count me in if you need help running the website.
I am certified in JAVA (Have Sun Certified Java Programmer and Developer certs) and am proficient in both JSP and Applications.
Currently I am writing CMS based websites using PHP, CSS, HTML and Javascript.
I can definitely write some code to add more cool functionality to your website
I'll bumb your bumbing my bumb
Hi Kenshino,
Application consultant heh, nice!
At the moment, I will be able to code up new sections for the site, for example, the new update that will come sooner or later (when I have time to finish it), has live submission, which means users can instantly add applications, as long as it applies with a few of my automated checks.
But if you have any ideas, and you want to code them up, you can definately! But I wouldn't be able to give source code, but you can code it seperately and then I can incoroporate it nicely
Thank you lots for your interest
Nathan
Hey, I volunteer too. I am a PC administrator and had had success in hosting my own sites in the past as well as prior administration duties to games like http://www.swcombine.com
Sounds great
Added you to the list, I will contact you all in the future, once I have a nice big list of contributors
Thanks
let's keep this on top.
Would anyone like to help me. I'm trying to raise money for the developers that are directly making Android happen for the HD2.
I would like to be able to post their Paypal Donation links next to each of their names in my blog post and start trying to spread this around the Internet. If not the actual donation button then maybe I can post a link to an xda post with their donation button.
Here is the page I made for this(please copy and paste as I can not yet post links): h t t p : // androidontmobilehd2.wordpress.com/2010/08/15/money-bomb-for-hd2/
I need people to help me get all their donation links together and permission from each to use them. And I also need help to make sure that I have every deserving developer in the list.
Thanks
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I'm building the list here too so that xda members have it for quick refrence.
Dcordes:
https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=NF3YYSMALGXUJ
Cotulla:
https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=3C7JC3YZYBU2U
Netripper:
https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webs...bn=PP-DonationsBF:btn_donate_LG.gif:NonHosted
Why not contact the devs directly
Paypal Donation Links for Top Devs:
Dcordes:
https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=NF3YYSMALGXUJ
Cotulla:
https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=3C7JC3YZYBU2U
Netripper:
https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webs...bn=PP-DonationsBF:btn_donate_LG.gif:NonHosted
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Thanks!
Anyone with the other ones please post up.
lol if the dev's needed donations im am very sure they would ask...DIRECTLY
whats your cut
Still trying to add the donations links to my blog page everyone. Here is the list that I got from the discussion page:
cr2
NetRipper - Link added
dcordes - Link added
Markinus
LeTama
Cotulla - Link added
dan1j3l
Parad0XUA
manusfreedom
Please help me add the other links.
developers that wanted to be donated to have provided links to their paypal donation...dont really see the point of what your doing...sounds more like your trying to make a scam or something
wow you people really are hating on this guy or girl.
I don't see ANYTHING that would make this a scam. he/she even offers to send you to each developers own xda page to donate if you don't believe the links actually go to the real developers. I would suggest having the developers themselves reply here with a donate link so no one can doubt.
The poor guy/girl just wants to help the people that deserve it. And why do you assume the developers won't want the money??? are you insane? "If they wanted donations they would ask for it" well maybe they're to humble to ask for money! They may not think they deserve it but if I could I'd drop a dump truck full of cash on their doorstep, like it or not! lol
If you're to much of a d**k to want to donate to a good cause then just leave this thread.
I for one would love to encourage and reward the people who will one day bring me a 100% andriod/linux OS on my HD2. That is why I HAVE donated what small amount I could to the developers and will do so anytime I can.
P.S. to the people who will invariably say I am in on this so called "scam" you can ask TAEL or NRGZ28, they'll tell you I do/give as much as I can as often as I can and ask for nothing in return. also see that little star near my avatar that means I have donated to XDA for their part in the awesomeness, maybe some of you haters could try that?
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wow you people really are hating on this guy or girl.
I don't see ANYTHING that would make this a scam. he/she even offers to send you to each developers own xda page to donate if you don't believe the links actually go to the real developers. I would suggest having the developers themselves reply here with a donate link so no one can doubt.
The poor guy/girl just wants to help the people that deserve it. And why do you assume the developers won't want the money??? are you insane? "If they wanted donations they would ask for it" well maybe they're to humble to ask for money! They may not think they deserve it but if I could I'd drop a dump truck full of cash on their doorstep, like it or not! lol
If you're to much of a d**k to want to donate to a good cause then just leave this thread.
I for one would love to encourage and reward the people who will one day bring me a 100% andriod/linux OS on my HD2. That is why I HAVE donated what small amount I could to the developers and will do so anytime I can.
P.S. to the people who will invariably say I am in on this so called "scam" you can ask TAEL or NRGZ28, they'll tell you I do/give as much as I can as often as I can and ask for nothing in return. also see that little star near my avatar that means I have donated to XDA for their part in the awesomeness, maybe some of you haters could try that?
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Thank you, I'm glad to see that someone actually gets it. I didnt want to waste my time responding to people with negative comments. I get really tired of all the greedy and ungrateful people that just take and expect that it is a developer's job to provide them software. I'm sure that they have no idea what development hours cost when you have to purchase them. I know first hand that they are not cheap. And I am also vested in the fact that I own this phone and cant stand to use it with WM6.5. So it's either do everything I can to learn and help so that we can realize a complete Android replacement of WM or just send the phone back because two things I wont do are one, complain to people who have already given tons of their time and hard work and two, use windows mobile.
no problem. I'm not usually such a d**k myself but they just caught me off guard at the wrong moment
wow i carnt post about the jig offer because they at xda keep deleting my threads whats that all about then, and whats the differance with donate and selling c**p. Just because i send it via a package they say no selling, what is donate then, selling or donating your services.:
The donation must be voluntary.
Also this should be in the General section.
Well.. In my case:
I provide Voltage Control application for free;
however some volunteers donated money to me voluntarily, making voluntary donation
Donation is like: you can get the product, no matter if you pay or not.
Selling is like: you can get the product, but you MUST pay for it sooner or later.
Hope it is all clear now
Why not "send" ppl a jig only if they "donate"
Fyi this should go in general.
I can understand where you are coming from. You are just trying to help out the community. If you are selling for a profit, then it is taboo in this forum, and go against the very essence of the spirit of Xda.
Ask yourself this, if you are the one, will you allow this?
Just my 2 cents.
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If this about the usb jig to force a dead sgs into download the idea method and all details are already given freely here. He is only selling it to those who cant wont not able to do it on their own. I think he needs to mention this.
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Simple question. If i donated a penny then would you send me a jig? If not then there is clearly a set price which classes it as a sale.
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Thats pretty sad - if you can publish a cost breakdown to show that you are not doing this for profit but to help the community, they SHOULD NOT remove it. Sometimes people cant wrap their head around a rule to make exceptions. On the other hand - we'd be swamped by ebay vendors "making screen protectors for the community". I think your project is an exception and has to be treated as such.
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Simple question. If i donated a penny then would you send me a jig? If not then there is clearly a set price which classes it as a sale.
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You see.. unlike software which is "made once and distributable unlimitedly", he has to make 1 FOR you. If he is kind enough to volunteer his services- you can chose to donate for that or not. But to have him cough up for the cost of material and postage - its ridiculous.
Although this is in the wrong section, I do have to agree that he should certainly be allowed to charge a minimum price for it. The components that make up this jig cost him money, he should be able to charge exactly the same price (plus shipping). In this example, he would have freely volunteered his time to build the jig. So users should then be able to donate money to help compensate him for his time, on-top of this minimum price (if they wish).
However in saying that I think some members of this community has the wrong idea in general. Everything doesn't need to be free and generally should not be free. A good community should want to compensate other members of the same community who have helped out the community as whole. The issue is simply that it's not always practical to charge a fee. Even if a community member wants to compensate someone else for their efforts, it's not always possible or practical. There should be no such situation where someone who has been helped doesn't wish to express the basic human concept of gratitude. Money is not always practical, but in the case of a good community some sort of thanks should always be in order. Gratitude is a form of currency also, especially now that XDA has a thanks button.
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Although this is in the wrong section, I do have to agree that he should certainly be allowed to charge a minimum price for it. The components that make up this jig cost him money, he should be able to charge exactly the same price (plus shipping). In this example, he would have freely volunteered his time to build the jig. So users should then be able to donate money to help compensate him for his time, on-top of this minimum price (if they wish).
However in saying that I think some members of this community has the wrong idea in general. Everything doesn't need to be free and generally should not be free. A good community should want to compensate other members of the same community who have helped out the community as whole. The issue is simply that it's not always practical to charge a fee. Even if a community member wants to compensate someone else for their efforts, it's not always possible or practical. There should be no such situation where someone who has been helped doesn't wish to express the basic human concept of gratitude. Money is not always practical, but in the case of a good community some sort of thanks should always be in order. Gratitude is a form of currency also, especially now that XDA has a thanks button.
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Exactly. I agree - and i dont see the same vehemence in people encouraging donations to the devels who work so hard that i see in people protesting against soliciting money.
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If this about the usb jig to force a dead sgs into download the idea method and all details are already given freely here. He is only selling it to those who cant wont not able to do it on their own. I think he needs to mention this.
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Simple question. If i donated a penny then would you send me a jig? If not then there is clearly a set price which classes it as a sale.
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Thats pretty sad - if you can publish a cost breakdown to show that you are not doing this for profit but to help the community, they SHOULD NOT remove it. Sometimes people cant wrap their head around a rule to make exceptions. On the other hand - we'd be swamped by ebay vendors "making screen protectors for the community". I think your project is an exception and has to be treated as such.
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You see.. unlike software which is "made once and distributable unlimitedly", he has to make 1 FOR you. If he is kind enough to volunteer his services- you can chose to donate for that or not. But to have him cough up for the cost of material and postage - its ridiculous.
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ok thanks for all replys, origionally i sent an email to xda asking them if i could have a sticky and every sale i would give xda 50p donation which also gives them some support. was i wrong.
As 1 of the readers posted, the parts do cost. At the moment it is quite hard to find the micro USB plugs which are costing roughly between £1.50 and £2.50 locally. The resisters work out at 42p each and there are 2 of them. 1 is a 300k and the other is a 1k. Also the heat sinc tubing is costing about 20p per plug. Then there is the solder, the electric, petrol to fetch the items and finally the postage that works at £1.00. Therefore the is no profit, not to mention that my time to make them is FREE.
All I wanted to do is to support XDA with a donation of 50p for every one sold and help people with illness or bad eyesight or just not the ability to recover their phones with out having to send it back to the service department because of a lack of knowledge in electronics.
P.S. Selecting the wrong pins on the plugs when soldering could potentially wreck your phone and I think it is really courageous of people with no electronic experience to try and do this.
Thanks for all you replys and support. Let's hope XDA support this and give people the chance to support XDA with their donation.
i also believe that because this site is very public and people are free to download the roms it all sounds very easy and things can and will go wrong from time to time.
lets have a safety net.
Right mate. What I suggest you do is put them on ebay and say these are cool on xda, or post them in xdamarketplace. And quit moaning.
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Right mate. What I suggest you do is put them on ebay and say these are cool on xda, or post them in xdamarketplace. And quit moaning.
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who's moaning, i realy dont mind putting them out somewhere else, just trying to put a safety net in the same place as the roms. But do other people think there should be this option.
and why do you care anyway who am i to you.
Although I dont know about whole issue, so just posting based upon info in this thread
Your point is totally valid, but the way you presented it might have been wrong.
You could have proceeded like this
I am giving solution of so and so problem... here are steps
All the steps in details with components required...
With usual warning : Try at your own risk
Those who are unwilling to take risk/lack skills could have asked you to assemble components and mail it by paying cost of components + postage
People happy with service/willing to support you could have Voluntary donated......
ok what i have asked xda is, if people send me the parts with a return envolope i will assemble it and then return it, with donations wecome if you like my work.
this is a free service with no commitment to give me anything.
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Although I dont know about whole issue, so just posting based upon info in this thread
Your point is totally valid, but the way you presented it might have been wrong.
You could have proceeded like this
I am giving solution of so and so problem... here are steps
All the steps in details with components required...
With usual warning : Try at your own risk
Those who are unwilling to take risk/lack skills could have asked you to assemble components and mail it by paying cost of components + postage
People happy with service/willing to support you could have Voluntary donated......
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great minds think alike
I've got a better idea.
I don't know how much your selling these for but lets just say £5
I think you should charge £7.50
The £2.50 is a donation to XDA developers to continue running the site, and then you cover your costs.
Personally speaking, I could get these manufactured in bulk for peanuts if you wanted just PM me and i'll do the work - they will be coming from China though...