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Jasjar/Universal: Too many bugs ??

I started yesterday working with my new i-mate Jasjar, and, already, I am lost in so many bugs and bad issues.
1- ActiveSync 4 does not support backup/restore of the device. I know this is a "known" issue, but it is a real bad one!
2- Some programs cannot be installed at all, like SPB PocketPlus. On another hand, all task switchers (and program closers) make problems, and end up by soft resetting the device.
3- A big problem: I cannot uninstall any of the programs I installed, whether on the main memory or the storage card, whether by using ActiveSync (from the desktop), or Remove Programs (in Settings) or any third party software, like SKTools!
4- Synchronizing through ActiveSync is not always straight forward. Sometimes the device is not recognized, or, when recognized, synchronize cannot start, or, when it does start, it never ends.
Did any of you experience any of these problems?
Any suggestions, or we have to wait for a ROM upgrade ?

Spb pocketplus may not be supported by wm05?.Perhaps the next release will work though as i'm getting either the wizard or universal so I hope it does!

personally i wouldnt expect software that worked fine on windows 3.1 to work just as fine on xp.
bugs are ok, it makes the patches more anticipated, and of course, with out this kind of feedback sofware houses wouldn't always reveal the issues before software is released.

Tekflow said:
I started yesterday working with my new i-mate Jasjar, and, already, I am lost in so many bugs and bad issues.
1- ActiveSync 4 does not support backup/restore of the device. I know this is a "known" issue, but it is a real bad one!
2- Some programs cannot be installed at all, like SPB PocketPlus. On another hand, all task switchers (and program closers) make problems, and end up by soft resetting the device.
3- A big problem: I cannot uninstall any of the programs I installed, whether on the main memory or the storage card, whether by using ActiveSync (from the desktop), or Remove Programs (in Settings) or any third party software, like SKTools!
4- Synchronizing through ActiveSync is not always straight forward. Sometimes the device is not recognized, or, when recognized, synchronize cannot start, or, when it does start, it never ends.
Did any of you experience any of these problems?
Any suggestions, or we have to wait for a ROM upgrade ?
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dude all of these are software (activesync and windows 5 related) none are related to jasjar...the jasjar is the most stable imate device EVER
yes there are issues between the new active sync and windows and firewall and the antivirus that you run but these are Microsofts faults not jasjars...
to answer your questions
1) this is a bummer.. i really wish they had given the option of backing up device..anywyas thats why you have ppc softwares that do backup..the one working on wm5 is sunnysoft backup..
2)most of the softwares lag behind.. wm5 is out but not all software makers have updated their products..NOTE AGAIN THIS IS NOT JASJARS FAULT..its YOURs you can wait 6 more months by then spbsoftware should have a pocketplus that works on wm5
3)dude again old applications like sktools dont work on wm5... if you want you can use pocket mechanic and memmaid ..they work fine.. for task manager i use dinarsoft handy sweitcher..not only its an excellent application but it works on wm5 aswelll...
4)you have your firewall and antivirus software and to blame for this...not jasjar..for me i had to FORMAT my laptop and install activesync before i turned on firewall and installed an antivirus program...only then did active sync work..and its flawless now.. oen word my personal experience trendmicro2002 doesnt work with AS however 2005 version of pcillin works with its personal firewall set to off...
hope i cleared up a few misconceptions for you
:lol:

Well,
1) That is annoying. I hadn't noticed that, but I'm sure it'll be addressed in future...
2) As zohaer21 says, that's purely because we have the latest, greatest bleeding edge technology, and the software developers have yet to catch up. (In the meantime, HandySwitcher is working perfectly on my device, no bugs, no crashes, just what it's meant to do!)
3) Have you tried installing anything from a .cab file to see if you still have a problem uninstalling? I'd guess ActiveSync is probably your problem...
4) Can't really help there...I'd suggest removing Activesync completely from your PC and installing it again from scratch. Personally I'm not using the bundled version of ActiveSync (4.1?) because I had an old 4.0.??? already but I don't think I've heard of anyone else with that issue yet so I'd assume it's a problem with your PC installation?

Carnivor said:
personally i wouldnt expect software that worked fine on windows 3.1 to work just as fine on xp.
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no, but you'd expect software that worked on windows 2000 to work on XP. Why compare something with an 11 year gap to something with a 2 year gap?

mat1t said:
Carnivor said:
personally i wouldnt expect software that worked fine on windows 3.1 to work just as fine on xp.
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no, but you'd expect software that worked on windows 2000 to work on XP. Why compare something with an 11 year gap to something with a 2 year gap?
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True, but MS changed WM5 significantly from WM2003, many more changes than Windows 2000 -> Windows XP. The biggest changes were (1) persistent storage and new memory handling and (2) WM5's compatibility with MS Smartphone apps. I am not surprised a good number of apps aren't working.
By the way, SPB's PocketPlus looks like it works with WM5 because they have screen shots on their web site of it running on a Windows Mobile 5 OS. But it may just not be compatible with the JasJar yet.

Carnivor said:
no, but you'd expect software that worked on windows 2000 to work on XP. Why compare something with an 11 year gap to something with a 2 year gap?
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It does not depend on that gap but on what they did durring that gap. If you do not change structural things, backwards compatibility can last a long time.
Actually the gap between WM2003SE and WM5 is quite large for some software developers. Notably some applications that synchronise databases (TimeTTRacker, Commontime mNotes) have to be rewritten from the ground up, even though we are only talking about a 1 year gap. Microsoft did change some crucial things, even if it does not show at first glance.

sorry, my post came across a bit bolshy. It wasn't intended.
I meant that developers would hope that they wouldn't have to re-write their apps every few years. I like the changes, because it adds more structure and makes it more of a uniform platform, but we've got to hope that they don't change these very often.
It would help if MS supplied the emulators for WM5 free of charge. (I'm yet to find any)

No worries
WM 5.0 SDK including emulator for PPC
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...F2-F524-4EC5-9155-717CBE5D25ED&displaylang=en
WM 5.0 SDK including emulator for Smartphone
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...CB-738A-4B97-8910-5CD29AB5F8D9&displaylang=en

SPB Pocket Plus version 3 works just fine on an i-Mate JasJar. Older versions of Pocket Plus will not work on WM5 devices of any kind, so upgrade to Version 3 and you can install it on your jasJar. I'm running it on mine.

hey mat1t dont worry about it,
just dont get put deisel in a petrol car, my analogy of the issues

louisk said:
SPB Pocket Plus version 3 works just fine on an i-Mate JasJar. Older versions of Pocket Plus will not work on WM5 devices of any kind, so upgrade to Version 3 and you can install it on your jasJar. I'm running it on mine.
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Correct!
It does work under WM5.0 Just make sure you are on version 3
If you are on Version 3 and still refuses to install, copy the CAB file over the device and execute/install from there.

DaleReeck said:
mat1t said:
Carnivor said:
By the way, SPB's PocketPlus looks like it works with WM5 because they have screen shots on their web site of it running on a Windows Mobile 5 OS. But it may just not be compatible with the JasJar yet.
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hi
it works but it makes it really slow (inlcuding the start up if you use the quick launch menu whatever)..i guess you can say its not wm5 optimized as yet
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SPB Pocket plus does install and work. I had to do a hard reset after I initially used my Jasjar and everything worked right. Like email accounts etc. What I would like to see is a program like gb tweak that keeps the gprs allways alive. But so for there is nothing out there. NO problems with my JasJar at all.
Mike

@Tekflow
Since you got a Jasjar, plz can you upload for us the Arabizer package from the Extended_Rom ?
Click Here! This is how they managed to copy it!
Thank you.

I have the file for you but cannot upload it on the server...
Please send me a PM and I will tell you where to donwload them.
Cheers

Daimaou said:
I have the file for you but cannot upload it on the server...
Please send me a PM and I will tell you where to donwload them.
Cheers
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Pm Sent

Just replied, and if someone can tell me why I cannot UL files on the server it would help me
Cheers

You have to use username:xdaupload password:xda to be able to upload
ftp://xdaupload:[email protected]

M3100 - starting to get annoyed with this thing

Is anyone else having issues installing software onto the phone?
I have tried to push Agile Messenger (as no MSN) and Spb PocketPlus onto the device but hit issues:-
If I execute from the laptop, as I used to do with the M2000, it does not seem to push the files into the phone - looks like it is but they do not appear anywhere.
If I drop the files onto the phone and try to run them from the phone it seems to have a default message saying "....is not a valid Pocket PC application", even though they clearly are, and stops considering even trying to open them.
Am I doing something wrong, or can anyone offer advice before I lob this thing in the bin? Getting very annoyed.
Plus it has awful icons down the side and looks less like a Pocket PC and more the girlfriend's Samsung - I hate Orange. How do I get rid of these?
Please help - my blood pressure is going through the roof :lol:

Have you downloaded Agile Messenger for WM5 - beta. If not there is a huge thread on it

Hiya,
Yes I have tried that and it tells me that this is not a valid Pocket PC app.
Just spoken to Orange Level 2 tech support - they are not providing direct support for the phone other than it works with the SIM card and can get to Orange World - I need to speak to Microsoft apparently

It's a Windows executable you run it on your PC :roll:

The icons down the side are a today plugin. You should be able to untick the orange homescreen plugin.

Ok - I'm happier now.
Embarrassed to say that I had not realised I needed to reset the phone after launching apps. On the Blue Angel it did it as it transferred. With my TyTn it seems to need to restart before things take action.
Cheers guys, thanks a lot.

Requesting software like wisbar

Hello,
i heard from a friend that he knows a pocket pc software.. that u can make ur pocket like real windows xp. the theme ofcourse.. should look like.. this
http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?i...mages?q=pocket+pc+xp+theme&svnum=10&hl=en&lr=
does anybody know.. the names of this software that can do for pocket pc.. this above link is for palmos.
but he doesnt remember the name anymore.. i hinted him many software like wisbar.. none of them were right.. maybe u guys can help me to fill in the names of all wisbar alook like.

That is clearly WisBar Advance Desktop. Take a look at the few screen shot / today thread, they have the exact (or rather similar) screen shot.

nope..
wisbar cant be..
1. its a graphic design company that released that.
2. my friend says.. wisbar aint.
3. it comes with softreset, hardreset, shutdown etc. wisbar aint.. u have to install separately..

hi i found this software Shutdown (Windows XP Style)
Shutdown (Windows XP Style) enhances your PocketPC with an XP-style shutdown screen. It includes a shortcut in the start menu and can be used to perform a soft-reset without having to use the reset button.
or
PocketWin is a new kind of Pocket PC launcher that is intended to completely replace your Today screen. It features a sleek design and a Windows-like interface. PocketWin is made with Macromedia Flash and requires Flash Player 6 for Pocket PC installed. What makes PocketWin different from other program launchers is it's extreme flexibility. You might compare PocketWin to a set of Lego pieces that you yourself can add up to build that very thing you've always dreamed of. With it's extended plugin capability there are virtually no limits to what can be accomplished with PocketWin. The new update provides a number of new features and interface improvements that will put all other launchers to shame!
Please visit our website to read about PocketWin's exciting features.
The latest update has the following set of new features:
Full WM2003 compatibility!
Requires only Flash Player to run, no need for extra software such as Flash Assist or eVB libraries!
Free skins that support animation and transparency effects (two free skins included!)
Create your own skins with our SDK (Skin Developer Kit) *soon to be released
Browse for files - no more inputting by hand
Create unlimited number of folders to arrange your shortcuts more efficiently
New interface elements, such as improved Windows XP like start menu and control panel
Shut down and restart your Pocket PC - XP style!
Requires only 800kb of storage memory
Plus MUCH more!!!!

im talking about a software like wisbar.. which includes shutdown, softreset, hardreset etc.. its INCLUDED.
and beside.. if u look clearly.. the wisbar windows xp are nothing compared to the link i showed.. first of all.. start is at the bottom. and there are alot ****s.. that u dont find in wisbar.. if u look close to that site.
for pocketwin.. i gotta check it out.

I think what you have is the iSpin Launcher which is a Palm OS program, not for Pocket PC. That's as far as I can read, I can't read Thai, sorry.

What about this:
http://www.freewareppc.com/utilities/experience.shtml
A little program called eXPerience. Never tried it. Could this be it?

helterskelter..
i asked my friend. yes thats it.. thanks alot man..
pocketwin looks alike.. but its far from experience.

hi just install pocketwin on my spv m500 i did not like it was making my pocket pc slow so i uninstall it and now my sound it not working try to turn the sound up but i gose back to the bottom agine any body i need your help thanks

use experience.. its alot better

Extend desktop to PPC

Is there a free bit of software that will allow me to use the ppc as an extended desktop.
I have played with side window, but would rather not pay for it as i don't think I will use it enough lol

RDC is another option

Would that extend the desktop (use the ppc as a monitor)?

yes..its a short form for REMOTE DESKTOP SHARING..just as u do in wiindows..btw which device do u have and which OS ?

I am on windows XP with an htc touch running wm6

daverage said:
Is there a free bit of software that will allow me to use the ppc as an extended desktop.
I have played with side window, but would rather not pay for it as i don't think I will use it enough lol
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With MyMobile you can do that!
You find it here

Not quite what i need, i use that to control my ppc, what I want is to actually use my ppc as a second monitor, but thanks NatroXz

if u have WM6..remote Desktop sharing is already their..just configure it to connect it to ur computer

ok, so that is letting me remote control my pc, how do i get it to act as a monitor instead? thanks so far!!

sorry a bit off subject
basically my mouse has died on me and i was wondering wheather there is a app to turn my ppc into a touch pad which would connect via activsync and control my pointer on my desktop pc ?????
thanks

yep, look up ppc tablet (not free mind)
http://www.aacompserv.com/AACompWeb/Modules/PPCTablet/WhatIsIt.aspx

Check out http://www.innobec.com/en/products.php for what I am looking for. It is good, but I want to find a free way of doing it, as it is quite handy having somthing like notepad open in the ppc whilst i work in the main screen

thanks for the reply i downloaded to software you recommended but it did not install on my x51v .
i ran the cab file and went through the set up ............it said it is installed but could not find it anywhere on the ppc looked in programs and file explorer ....nothing!
i ve got a axim x51v with a cooked a03 rom
thanks for your help
PRE

os x
I was just looking for a program like SideWindow for OS X - I can't find anything. Does anyone know of something that will let me use my WM6 device as an external monitor under OS X?
-GB

So i´ve tried sidewindow.. @ my ppc (htc p-3401 wm5) and the ppc screen stay a little bit white, it lose the phone signal(what?! conflict ?) and nothing works..
tehre´s any equivalent software? or anyone knows how to fix the problem with sidewindow?

Can a Palm OS platform run simultaniously on a WM6 phone?

Hi guys, I have an HTC touch (sprint) and got a job with a air balancing company and they have software that links their ppc's to their server for live data entry. however the application is only available for the palm os. Does anyone know if installing multiple OS's on a phone is even possible, like installing linux on an ipod? or if not, any way to convert a palm os application to WM6 combatible application. If needed, i have the install files for my application, any assistance would be greatly appreciated. If nothing exists i would even consider payment for the application to be convtered if anyone is intrested.
Thank you
Matt

you would probably have to build the application up again from the ground up if its a native palm application, although, if its written in a common language, i dont see why it couldnt be ported over
somebody more knowledgable should be able to help you better
and welcome to xda-devs

you can use styletap to run palmOS apps on windows mobile, if this is what you want to do.

Well, im 50% there, styletap works great, im able to load the software and run it, no glitches yet, however styletap doesnt seem to be allowing the application to sync with my server. any1 have any ideas? i even tried first establishing a data conn in WM6 using IE and hopped back to style tap to sync again. no luck