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Phone Unlocking?

Completely out of curiosity...
why is it that iPhone users with At&T can Jailbreak then Unlock their phones via software hacks, but I have to either call up T-Mobile for some code, or pay some dodgy guy over ebay??
http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/how-to-tech/how-to-unlock-cell-phone3.htm
doesnt explain anything :S

Try this, more phones coming all the time.
Great way to root your android.../bit.ly/aa4jxJ
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thanks but i was looking for Unlocking from Network providers, not rooting?

from the limited knowledge i have on the subject and the things ive picked up while owning an iphone:
the iphone started out being locked to the networks indefinitely. at&t, to this day i believe, didnt/dont provide unlocking of the iphone. the way regular unlocks work, ie by code, is that the imei of the phone is used with an algorithm to provide the code. the people who have this algorithm are either the phone manufacturer and/or the network provider.
tmobile may be able to generate the code themselves, or go direct to the manufacturers for the code. the ebay sellers pay for your specific code, and then sell it onto you, basically middle men.
however with the iphone, neither at&t nor apple wanted to assist in unlocking, so without access to the algorithm generated codes, the only other option was software hacks.
problems with iphone software unlocks are that they can be wiped off with a restore; when a baseband update is released in a new firmware update, it can take a while for an update software unlock is released; you can get signal problems (blacksn0w, ios4.0.2 on unlocked 3g). nowadays, uk carriers at least, unlock phones eg o2, with t&c of course.
all in all, id rather pay the £6 to the "dodgy guy" on ebay, than have a software unlock.

ah thanks for that!

[Q] Help with Galaxy S5 carrier and bootloader unlocking?

So I am going to buy a probably used Galaxy S5, most likely from Swappa.com and I am going to activate it with Metro PCS, which is a GSM carrier, so I know I need a GSM carrier GS5, like from AT&T or T-Mobile. I did a bit of googling and I only ended up with more questions... Are the AT&T and T Mobile versions of the GS5 carrier locked? From what I read online, the ATT is locked and the Tmobile is unlocked, but I cant be certain from the couple forum posts I could only find. If the phone is already unlocked, I can just bring it into the Metro PCS store and activate it, right?
Now, what if it is locked? Can I carrier unlock it myself? How do I do that? Do I really need to buy an unlock code online? Seems kinda sketchy to buy these codes from random unlocking sites, but if I have to...? Also, can I have it unlocked by Metro PCS or T-Mobile or ATT?
Next part of my question is about the bootloader. Again, I did some research, but found only one relatively... relevant forum post. So I come here for direct help. I was chatting with AT&T tech support on their site asking about the bootloader.
Anyways, ATT told me the bootloader on their GS5's are encrypted locked. What about TMobiles version? Supposedly if they are encrypted, there is near to no chance of really getting that unlocked. Although, if they are not encrypted, would they be able to be unlocked? I have no idea about T-Mobile having a locked bootloader or not.
Lastly, has the bootlader been unlocked already for any GS5? I ask because ive seen some GS5's with custom ROM's and launchers and stuff, but last I heard, they were still locked.

You didn't do much "research" via Google or searching this forum or you'd already have the answers your are looking for. These questions have been asked and answered innumerable times.
Very few carriers other than ATT and Verizon lock bootloaders. TMB's bootloader is not locked. Generally speaking, TMB model has the most GSM bands and is arguably the most desirable model but you need to check whether those include the bands you need with the carrier you plan to use. Do that by checking and comparing the bands that both carriers use or simply find out what S5 model your carrier uses itself.
Most phones, incuding TMB, ATT, et al are SIM locked. But you can easily get a third party vendor to provide an unlock code for about $20 and thereafter use it on another carrier.
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fffft said:
You didn't do much "research" via Google or searching this forum or you'd already have the answers your are looking for. These questions have been asked and answered innumerable times.
Very few carriers other than ATT and Verizon lock bootloaders. TMB's bootloader is not locked. Generally speaking, TMB model has the most GSM bands and is arguably the most desirable model but you need to check whether those include the bands you need with the carrier you plan to use. Do that by checking and comparing the bands that both carriers use or simply find out what S5 model your carrier uses itself.
Most phones, incuding TMB, ATT, et al are SIM locked. But you can easily get a third party vendor to provide an unlock code for about $20 and thereafter use it on another carrier.
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Sorry, this is just totally new to me. Ive never had an android device other than a Nexus 7 I was gifted that i hardly use. Ive never even had a smartphone, so Ive had to find and absorb all this info about rooting, bootloaders, unlocking. Its been kinda mind boggling. So in the meantime after I posted this I pieced together this info.. I hope I am corrrect:
-AT&T and Verizon have been locking their bootloaders for a while and everyone hates them for that
-Any GSM carrier phone can be unlocked to work with any other GSM carrier
-CDMA cannot be unlocked at all
Kinda iffy on this one, not 100% sure... -Rooting is the same as unlocking the bootloader. If the bootloader is not encrypted, the phone can be rooted and custom ROM's/recoveries can be installed.
-Supposedly Verizon and AT&T GS5's can now be rooted... (cant link to outisde links, but just search "How to Root ANY Samsung Galaxy S5 Variant (Even AT&T & Verizon) in 20 Seconds Flat" and its the first link.
Based off this new info I have gathered... I want a T-Mobile GS5 (or AT&T if they can in fact be rooted and have custom ROM's installed on them). I will have to carrier unlock it myself unless it is already unlocked (someone on Swappa.com says they are selling a "factory unlocked" T-Mobile GS5 for $480, so I guess T-Mobile also sells carrier unlocked versions). I will unlock it using a code from theunlockingcompany website for $40 (seems like a steep price, but supposedly its the best site to use). I will then unlock it with the code which should take a couple minutes after I get the code, code taking up to 5 hours to arrive in my email. I will then have to take it in store to Metro PCS (hopefully I can do it online too if I order the SIM card online to ship to me for $10) to have it activated with them and get service. Then it should be activated, have my phone number, have cell and data service, paid/pay $40 a month. All is well in the world.
Is that info I discovered above true, what about the steps I should go through in the last section, above?

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Is that info I discovered above true
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I wouldn't know where to begin. Yes, a TMB phone is ideal IMO for ATT because it covers all of the ATT frequencies and then some, plus has an unlocked bootloader. Most of the rest you have wrong.
Any GSM carrier phone can be unlocked to work with any other GSM carrier
No. You can unlock phones, but models will seldom work well on a different carriers frequency allotment.
CDMA cannot be unlocked at all
Not true.
Rooting is the same as unlocking the bootloader.
They are not the same thing.
If the bootloader is not encrypted, the phone can be rooted
Not correct. You can root phones with locked (encrypted) bootloaders.
Supposedly Verizon and AT&T GS5's can now be rooted
Almost any Android with a pre-June6th firmware build can be rooted.
so I guess T-Mobile also sells carrier unlocked versions
Nope.
I don't know how you managed to adopt so much misinformation. I can only assume that you haven't done much reading yet and /or made a lot of assumptions. You should read some of the sticky posts to get a better general understanding of how everything fits together. Then you can pose more informed questions.
It has nothing to do with being new to smartphones. You just thought that it was easier to ask than to do a proper search or puzzle out a few confusing points. It would be in your own best interests to do some reading, but whether you do or not is entirely up to you.
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Verizon version - GSM Unlocked?

Has anyone tried to use the Verizon variant on a GSM network yet? We've gotten lucky in the past with other Verizon prepaid LTE phones working.

I don't think the XT1609 is GSM capable. It has no 3G UMTS bands enabled, though it does have the full range of GSM 2G/EDGE bands enabled.
So, pretty much unless you're in a VoLTE area, you might be out of luck for voice calls if it is unlocked. I'm not even sure if this phone does VoLTE anyway though.
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somebody has a moto g4 play to try the same method of moto e 2º generation ?? following the steps with Network app to get gsm capable in the phone.

moto g4 play verizon
i bought one moto g4 play verizon and their coming locked i need a imei code for unlock help me

kamelsouki said:
i bought one moto g4 play verizon and their coming locked i need a imei code for unlock help me
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did you try the "network" app and follow the same method than moto e 2° verizon?

best buy have them $64.99 at the moment hurry hurry someone please completely confirm if unlockable to work on gsm lol
http://www.android.gs/sim-unlock-verizon-moto-e-2015/
this is what you mean a possible unlock method?

mrw187 said:
best buy have them $64.99 at the moment hurry hurry someone please completely confirm if unlockable to work on gsm lol
http://www.android.gs/sim-unlock-verizon-moto-e-2015/
this is what you mean a possible unlock method?
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It would probably be a waste of time and $. Someone already bought one in the other Verizon moto g4 play thread and returned it because it looked like a no go. And without unlocking the bootloader, how would you flash a custom or alternate ROM to use the bands needed for GSM (as mentioned above). That's if it's a firmware thing and not a hardware limitation. If we want an unlocked Moto G4 play, the only option looks like we're shelling out $100 to Amazon for the one with ads or $150 without ads.

ryanl2299 said:
It would probably be a waste of time and $. Someone already bought one in the other Verizon moto g4 play thread and returned it because it looked like a no go. And without unlocking the bootloader, how would you flash a custom or alternate ROM to use the bands needed for GSM (as mentioned above). That's if it's a firmware thing and not a hardware limitation. If we want an unlocked Moto G4 play, the only option looks like we're shelling out $100 to Amazon for the one with ads or $150 without ads.
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please show me in the above link where there is any mention of a needed bootloader unlock or custom rom? stop spreading your negative bs without any factual backup other than your negative assumptions

mrw187 said:
best buy have them $64.99 at the moment hurry hurry someone please completely confirm if unlockable to work on gsm lol
http://www.android.gs/sim-unlock-verizon-moto-e-2015/
this is what you mean a possible unlock method?
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yes, i have 2 moto e 2º from verizon 4G LTE and it work completely in Movistar Mexico, but a relative bring a samsung j1 , from verizon too and it can´t be unlocked, the menu "network" is disable and if yiu try to run network app, it close..... so, i don´t know if all verizon 4G LTE can be unlocked to get gsm signal like the moto e 2 , samsung s4,etc.....

mrw187 said:
please show me in the above link where there is any mention of a needed bootloader unlock or custom rom? stop spreading your negative bs without any factual backup other than your negative assumptions
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What link do you need, the link to the product page? Did you even research this phone one little bit before posting or was it a case of post now, think later? What network are you even looking to use this phone on? I'll tell you right now that several of the bands used for other networks are completely missing for this phone (can see this clear as day on any product or spec listing for this phone). Then there's the matter of this phone being carrier locked (it's not as simple as popping in a different sim anymore - Verizon changed their policy this year). People need to stop comparing this to the Moto e from last year because this clearly isn't. What else do you need to know?

ryanl2299 said:
It would probably be a waste of time and $. Someone already bought one in the other Verizon moto g4 play thread and returned it because it looked like a no go. And without unlocking the bootloader, how would you flash a custom or alternate ROM to use the bands needed for GSM (as mentioned above). That's if it's a firmware thing and not a hardware limitation. If we want an unlocked Moto G4 play, the only option looks like we're shelling out $100 to Amazon for the one with ads or $150 without ads.
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EDIT: NEVER MIND. I just realized you were saying they'd need to flash a rom to enable the GSM 2G bands the phone hardware IS capable of. I thought you were trying to say you could magically enable 3g/UMTS bands that it's NOT capable of with a rom lol. Disregard the parts below about enabling bands the hardware isn't capable of, that's my misunderstanding!!
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I don't know what you're smoking bro. It most certainly IS a hardware limitation. You can't just enable bands that the antenna isn't capable of. SOME devices, very rarely, have antennae capable of more bands than are enabled in the radio firmware(NOT the Rom) but those are very few and far between.
Simply put, you can't make a 1609 into a 1607 just by flashing a new radio. If you could, then hell... I'd make every one of my old phones work with all carriers by turning on the bands they don't already have. Sadly, this is not possible.
As I said earlier in the thread, it's capable of EDGE (2g), and some of the GSM LTE bands that CDMA carriers use for data, BUT you wouldn't be able to call/text over LTE and it would fall back to EDGE for voice and sms (so no simultaneous voice and data) if you got a carrier unlock code from Verizon, but most GSM carriers are phasing out EDGE for postpaid accounts so if it's not a prepaid SIM it likely wouldn't register to the network at all for voice calling.
tl;dr unlocking the XT1609 for use on GSM carriers would be a very painful and unpleasant experience on prepaid where calls would go to voicemail when you're using data, and the SIM wouldn't register at all on a contract/postpaid account.

what about international use? is it possibly just locked in usa unlocked international for roaming?

mrw187 said:
what about international use? is it possibly just locked in usa unlocked international for roaming?
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I'm afraid that you're misunderstanding the meaning of "locked" in this scenario. It's probably carrier locked to Verizon prepaid no matter where you take it, but that can be remedied very easily (it was brought to my attention last night in a different forum that there are now unlock codes for these on eBay for around $2.50, so buying an unlock code takes care of that problem). But the real issue is the bands that this phone is capable of using and what is available where you're going and what network you'll be using. I believe the bands Verizon uses are more prevalent over seas, but I'm sure you can find this out with a quick web search.

ryanl2299 said:
It would probably be a waste of time and $. Someone already bought one in the other Verizon moto g4 play thread and returned it because it looked like a no go. And without unlocking the bootloader, how would you flash a custom or alternate ROM to use the bands needed for GSM (as mentioned above). That's if it's a firmware thing and not a hardware limitation. If we want an unlocked Moto G4 play, the only option looks like we're shelling out $100 to Amazon for the one with ads or $150 without ads.
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ryanl2299 said:
I'm afraid that you're misunderstanding the meaning of "locked" in this scenario. It's probably carrier locked to Verizon prepaid no matter where you take it, but that can be remedied very easily (it was brought to my attention last night in a different forum that there are now unlock codes for these on eBay for around $2.50, so buying an unlock code takes care of that problem). But the real issue is the bands that this phone is capable of using and what is available where you're going and what network you'll be using. I believe the bands Verizon uses are more prevalent over seas, but I'm sure you can find this out with a quick web search.
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I see. Need to find out what 3g bands get unlocked if any because according to gsmarena the 4g bands on this model are not applicable in my country and rolling 2g only is not worth it.

agentfusion said:
EDIT: NEVER MIND. I just realized you were saying they'd need to flash a rom to enable the GSM 2G bands the phone hardware IS capable of. I thought you were trying to say you could magically enable 3g/UMTS bands that it's NOT capable of with a rom lol. Disregard the parts below about enabling bands the hardware isn't capable of, that's my misunderstanding!!
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I don't know what you're smoking bro. It most certainly IS a hardware limitation. You can't just enable bands that the antenna isn't capable of. SOME devices, very rarely, have antennae capable of more bands than are enabled in the radio firmware(NOT the Rom) but those are very few and far between.
Simply put, you can't make a 1609 into a 1607 just by flashing a new radio. If you could, then hell... I'd make every one of my old phones work with all carriers by turning on the bands they don't already have. Sadly, this is not possible.
As I said earlier in the thread, it's capable of EDGE (2g), and some of the GSM LTE bands that CDMA carriers use for data, BUT you wouldn't be able to call/text over LTE and it would fall back to EDGE for voice and sms (so no simultaneous voice and data) if you got a carrier unlock code from Verizon, but most GSM carriers are phasing out EDGE for postpaid accounts so if it's not a prepaid SIM it likely wouldn't register to the network at all for voice calling.
tl;dr unlocking the XT1609 for use on GSM carriers would be a very painful and unpleasant experience on prepaid where calls would go to voicemail when you're using data, and the SIM wouldn't register at all on a contract/postpaid account.
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Part of me says that the disabled bands is a firmware thing rather than a hardware thing since it's much cheaper for moto to make "one phone" with different programming, but it's probably just wishful thinking on my part. Either way, I'm sure Verizon locked these phones down so we'll because of the whole moto e thing last year (hordes of zombies flocked to bestbuy to buy $10 Verizon branded phones only to use them on other networks). All it took was a couple of commands in abd from what I remember (there was an ultra long thread about it at the time). Probably pissed off Verizon and I hope they lost their shirts. I'm sure that these types of phones are subsidized in some way since the unbranded ones are almost always double or more in price (especially with verizon- they usually have cheaper phones but more expensive service - great way to hook you).
And I know exactly what you're talking about with using this in stock form on gsm carriers. If you're in need of a laugh, go check out the thread for Verizon moto g4 play over on slickdeals. There was one poster who got this phone unlocked (via eBay) and was going to try to use this for VOIP with Google voice or something (data only I suppose) since he claimed to have excellent LTE in his region. I believe that he's in for an underwhelming experience and constant missed/dropped calls. I guess it might work if you stand in one spot all day. To each his own. Some people would do just about anything to save a few bucks. Here's a link and their username was TheLao :http://slickdeals.net/f/9195543-16g...ipping-free-store-pickup-best-buy-ebay?page=7

Just got off live chat with motorola with 2 different csrs neither knew anything outside of public info on what bands the xt1609 has or it truely has no 3g gsm bands.
may have to wait until someone who physically has this and can confirm what bands it has once unlocked? i tried searching for an app on store that can tell you available bands on the device but gave up after about 4-5 apps.

ryanl2299 said:
Part of me says that the disabled bands is a firmware thing rather than a hardware thing since it's much cheaper for moto to make "one phone" with different programming, but it's probably just wishful thinking on my part. Either way, I'm sure Verizon locked these phones down so we'll because of the whole moto e thing last year (hordes of zombies flocked to bestbuy to buy $10 Verizon branded phones only to use them on other networks). All it took was a couple of commands in abd from what I remember (there was an ultra long thread about it at the time). Probably pissed off Verizon and I hope they lost their shirts. I'm sure that these types of phones are subsidized in some way since the unbranded ones are almost always double or more in price (especially with verizon- they usually have cheaper phones but more expensive service - great way to hook you).
And I know exactly what you're talking about with using this in stock form on gsm carriers. If you're in need of a laugh, go check out the thread for Verizon moto g4 play over on slickdeals. There was one poster who got this phone unlocked (via eBay) and was going to try to use this for VOIP with Google voice or something (data only I suppose) since he claimed to have excellent LTE in his region. I believe that he's in for an underwhelming experience and constant missed/dropped calls. I guess it might work if you stand in one spot all day. To each his own. Some people would do just about anything to save a few bucks. Here's a link and their username was TheLao :http://slickdeals.net/f/9195543-16g...ipping-free-store-pickup-best-buy-ebay?page=7
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I'm sure in some phones it is probably just a firmware thing. I remember some of the early Kindle fire models that were on the low end were really underclocked high end models with a smaller NAND. If you rooted them and flashed a new kernel, you could enable Bluetooth and set the clock speed up to match the higher end model and all you'd be missing is some storage. In the case of the Moto g4 play, though, it's probably cheaper to just leave out the physical antenna hardware for non VZW bands than disabling them via firmware. That's likely just a matter of dropping a step from the assembly process, so it wouldn't cost them any extra... Might even save a few pennies per run. But I'd imagine on high end flagship devices where it's a different model for every carrier, it's just a firmware thing. That's probably the REAL reason some phones have locked bootloaders. Like the LG G4, the only one with bootloader unlock is the international version with all bands enabled. I bet if I COULD unlock the bootloader on my sprint LG G4, I could turn it into a GSM phone.
And LOLOLOL about that link. Dude is going to hate life. When my LG G4 was in for repair and the Moto G4 Play hadn't shipped yet, I was using a LG G Pad F7 LTE tablet with Google voice, using hangouts and hangouts dialer for sms and voice. Missed calls SO many times because it would take too long to start ringing on my end, and I'm in one of the major US markets so LTE coverage is literally everywhere.

Welp, TIFU. I bought two of the Moto g4 play at walmart... got home and found out that Verizon locks 4g phones again. Paid for an unlock, found the phone doesn't allow connecting to GSM networks, but that is because even with a GSM sim in the phone it still only connects to Verizon. With my t-mobile sim in the phone, I make a call and get the "your call is being transfered to a representative who will take your credit card info to complete this call". Leave it to verizon to only allow the phone to connect to their network even after you unlock it...

Xt1609 doesn't have connection of gsm or 2g
Hi! I bought a "Moto 4G play" of Veirzon USA (XT1609). Unfortunately, My network operator in Mexico (Telcel) hasn't compatible with the VoLTE.
The cellphone doesn't have connection of GSM or 2G only LTE 4G. I did unlocked it and use everything, photo, video, WhatsApp. The cellphone recognize my SIM Card and network carrier, but I can't make, or receive, calls.

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Welp, TIFU. I bought two of the Moto g4 play at walmart... got home and found out that Verizon locks 4g phones again. Paid for an unlock, found the phone doesn't allow connecting to GSM networks, but that is because even with a GSM sim in the phone it still only connects to Verizon. With my t-mobile sim in the phone, I make a call and get the "your call is being transfered to a representative who will take your credit card info to complete this call". Leave it to verizon to only allow the phone to connect to their network even after you unlock it...
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Well, that's what the Moto E 2nd gen did out of the box as well, they removed the setting to swap CDMA/GSM in the menu, but the folks over in that part of the forum figured out that using the app "Network" from the play store, and a sequence of turning on/off airplane mode, they were able to switch it from CDMA to GSM and make it stick. Otherwise, it would keep trying to connect to Verizon just like you describe.
So it doesn't mean anything that you didn't get it to work immediately after unlocking. You probably have to force it off CDMA in a similar fashion. Bigger issue is whether or not the phone will be able to actually access the appropriate bands you'd need, whether because the hardware doesn't support it or because it is disabled in firmware. We don't really know for sure yet. But if you've come this far and have a penchant for torture but don't want to give up until you know for certain, give it a try!

Important Google-Pixel Information: Verizon (USA) and EE (UK). READ BEFORE PURCHASING

!!! IMPORTANT FOR ANYBODY IN THE UK or USA WHO WANTS TO ROOT A GOOGLE PIXEL!!!
The ability to root is blocked on handsets ordered on contract from EE (the same with Verizon in the USA). The reason for this is to do with the sim lock. Upon putting the EE (or Verizon) sim into the phone, it activates and locks to the network. Google, unfortunately, cannot remove this block due to their exclusive deals with these networks (hence why Pixels on other UK and US networks are sold via Carphone Warehouse and other providers).
So, if you wish to root your Pixel, order one from a third party (CPW in the UK) as, again, EE/Verizon Pixels have the "enable OEM unlock" function disabled, and there is no way past this as of Android version 7.1.1.
(In the UK, if you have already ordered a Pixel on contract direct from EE, you have 14 days to return it for a full refund. At the time of this posting, o2 are doing a deal via Carphone Warehouse on the Pixel, for £35 per month, 6GB data, unlimited minutes and calls. It's a couple of pounds more expensive per month than EE, but you'll be able to root the phone. Not sure about other providers: I went with o2).
If you are unfortunate enough to have already purchased a PIxel on contract direct from either Verizon or EE, you may still be able to root it with the following method, providing it is fresh out of the box (this won't work on handsets that have already been opened, set-up and have an EE/Verizon sim-card in them):
DO NOT PUT A SIM CARD INTO THE PHONE.
Turn the phone on.
Skip the setup.
Do not connect to WiFi.
Go to settings and disable ALL automatic updating (of both OS and apps).
Check the Android build in device settings. If you are on Android 7.1, then be happy: you might have avoided the lock. If you are Android 7.1.1 , 7.1.2, or newer, then unfortunately you won't be able to root.
If you are one of the lucky ones on Android 7.1, then proceed to root the phone as you normally would, without a sim card attached. Avoid all automatic updates and most importantly, keep your boot-loader unlocked. Once you lock it again, it is unlockable (and you may brick your phone if the OS at the time of locking is a custom one).
SUMMARY: Handsets on contract direct from EE/Verizon are un-rootable if your firmware version is 7.1.1 or higher. Check details on how to potentially root a 7.1 or older EE/Verizon contract Pixel. Otherwise, order from third party like CPW in the UK.

I'm kind of confused, I think I heard that Verizon Pixels will work with any network, e.g. T-Mobile, AT&T.
And you are saying they will be locked??
Shouldn't their phones be unlocked by default, like the Verizon Galaxy S4?

Wolf2231 said:
I'm kind of confused, I think I heard that Verizon Pixels will work with any network, e.g. T-Mobile, AT&T.
And you are saying they will be locked??
Shouldn't their phones be unlocked by default, like the Verizon Galaxy S4?
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He's talking about bootloader unlock not carrier unlock. So many of the statements in the OP are incorrect and dis-proven, which is why no one responded to the post, that I'd just ignore it and move on. It was a noble effort but one that is misplaced and misguided.

I had mine replaced two weeks ago under warranty due to a fault by EE in the UK. The replacement device is not bootloader locked and I'm running the paranoid android no problems. This could be a mistake or could mean they are no longer locked oe maybe it came from Google rather than EE stock?

EE has been proven to be carrier lock related to bootloader/OEM switch.
6 months and EE unlock your handset, simple legal smooth

bobby janow said:
He's talking about bootloader unlock not carrier unlock. So many of the statements in the OP are incorrect and dis-proven, which is why no one responded to the post, that I'd just ignore it and move on. It was a noble effort but one that is misplaced and misguided.
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Incorrect. I forgot my password, but I'm the OP. I can tell you with one hundred percent certainty that the bootloader lock on contract Pixel handsets bought directly from EE and Verizon is directly related to the network lock. In fact, the very message which appears under 'Enable OEM unlock' on carrier locked phones is ' feature not available on carrier locked devices".
This is why I had to send my Pixel bought direct from EE, back to EE, and get one from O2 via Carphone Warehouse instead.

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Incorrect. I forgot my password, but I'm the OP. I can tell you with one hundred percent certainty that the bootloader lock on contract Pixel handsets bought directly from EE and Verizon is directly related to the network lock. In fact, the very message which appears under 'Enable OEM unlock' on carrier locked phones is ' feature not available on carrier locked devices".
This is why I had to send my Pixel bought direct from EE, back to EE, and get one from O2 via Carphone Warehouse instead.
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Verizon Pixels (or any other Verizon phones) aren't carrier locked. It's illegal in the US for any carrier to carrier lock their phones. In the US you can buy a Verizon phone and use it on any network you choose to. The only thing needed to do so is a SIM for the network you choose to to use.

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Verizon Pixels (or any other Verizon phones) aren't carrier locked. It's illegal in the US for any carrier to carrier lock their phones. In the US you can buy a Verizon phone and use it on any network you choose to. The only thing needed to do so is a SIM for the network you choose to to use.
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Verizon is no longer allowed to sell carrier locked devices but that's not true for every carrier..

aholeinthewor1d said:
Verizon is no longer allowed to sell carrier locked devices but that's not true for every carrier..
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It's true for every carrier in the US.

aholeinthewor1d said:
Verizon is no longer allowed to sell carrier locked devices but that's not true for every carrier..
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Although Verizon's postpaid devices are not sim-locked, the same is typically not true about Verizon Prepaid phones, as noted in their policies.
http://www.verizon.com/about/consumer-safety/device-unlocking-policy
robocuff said:
It's true for every carrier in the US.
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The Verizon Pixel phones are not sim-locked, but there are lots of phones currently sold in the US that are still sim-locked. My understanding is that if you buy an AT&T phone on installments it will be locked to AT&T. Similarly AT&T prepaid phones can be used with some AT&T MVNOs, but they have to be unlocked for other service providers. Cricket sells locked phones. I think Sprint commonly locks their phones, which is supported by their unlocking policy. The last time I skimmed US Cellular's policies, my impression was that they were not selling unlocked phones. Tracfone brands have been reported to have sim-locks on their iPhones. Anyway, Howardforum and Slickdeals discussions clearly indicate a significant portion of phones sold in the US today are sim-locked to various service providers.

robocuff said:
It's true for every carrier in the US.
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I just switched from AT&T, and I was not able to bring my S7 Active and my wife's V20 would not work either, they were locked to AT&T. Given that, we both now have Pixels. I can see maybe the Active being an issue as it's a exclusive to AT&T, but the V20 is not.

Unlock T-Mobile

I have a Samsung tablet E that is locked to T-Mobile. How would I be able to unlock it for At&t?

I feel for you as once, years ago, I had to jailbreak an AT&T iPhone to get it to work on T-Mobile, so I know the feeling of wanting to change what the phone can do but which the carriers locked you out of doing.
Hence, I would like to see you get that tablet unlocked where I have been on T-Mobile in the USA for over a decade and they've unlocked EVERY device I ever asked them to unlock for me.
There are a few caveats, of course, which you didn't mention so I have to ask you.
a. Do you own the device (or does T-Mobile still own parts of it in your contract?).
b. Have you been on T-Mobile for more than two billing cycles?
c. Do you owe T-Mobile any money (e.g., unpaid bills)?
Depending on the answer to a,b,c above, did you ASK T-Mobile to unlock it for you yet? If you did ask, what did they say?
In addition, many people have asked T-Mobile for a temporary unlock when they travel from the USA to Europe but it doesn't seem like you want just a temporary unlock.