I use headphones or a Sound-freq speaker when watching movies and videos.When using BS player the video and sound do not sync up.If using the gallery player everything syncs up well on both headphones and speakers..Is there a way to sync up the bs player as well?It handles more formats and I like the extra volume and brightness controls on it. thanks
James-NC said:
I use headphones or a Sound-freq speaker when watching movies and videos.When using BS player the video and sound do not sync up.If using the gallery player everything syncs up well on both headphones and speakers..Is there a way to sync up the bs player as well?It handles more formats and I like the extra volume and brightness controls on it. thanks
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i don't know what BS player is, but this is a common issues across multiple applications. it has to do with BT hardware, the application, BT priority and sound quality.
I have watched several streaming video types using my Potato Tunelink BT adapter. Netflix is by far the worst offender. Off by an entire half-second. Hulu streams great, YouTube has a slight delay. Crackle is about a split off.
If you want quality audio, use the audio port.
BTW, this is true of ANY device. My DROID3/4 both exhibited the same qualities. I thought it was a limitation of the phone. Faster devices do decrease latency, but if the latency exists, it's built into the application.
Maybe I could have been more clear on what I was asking. sorry
I know the problem is there but the BSplayer can be adjusted for audio offset to compensate for the lag.I just can't seem to find out how to do so.The gallery player seems to do it automatically because it always works whether playing files on the device or streaming from my computer or elsewhere. I would like someone to tell me how to adjust this in the BSplayer app. thanks
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bsplayer.bspandroid.full
NO 5.1-channel surround audio in TV Shows and Movies.
I just bought a Mad Catz M.O.J.O. and now i see that i have
NO 5.1 audio, when you put on your website:
Hear thatcatchy background music or those killer sound effects loud
and clear, with support for 5.1-channel surround audio.
http://madcatz.com/mojo/en-us/
http://madcatz.com/pressroom/m-o-j-o-android-micro-console/
So you are lying?
Because i also do not see Enable Passthrough in Settings/Audio.
I hope you can help in some way, i tried XBMC 13.0 ALPHA11,
and used MX Player with the 5.1 audio codec and Archos
Video with Codects, and i only hear and see Stereo sound or
Multichannel sound on my Receiver and not 5.1 audio, tried AC3
5.1 audio and DTS 5.1 audio.
I also have a MeLE M9 and there we have with XBMC Dolby Digital, Dolby TrueHD and DTS, DTS-HD Master,
and with TvdVideo Player Dolby Digital and DTS, and that Android TV BOX cost only $110.64 and with the
Mele F10-Pro Air Mouse it cost only $134.55.
I bought the Mad Catz M.O.J.O. as a replacement for my MeLE M9, but know i can do less with the Mad Catz M.O.J.O.
then with the MeLE M9.
UPDATE: With MX Player and DTS Codec we have Dolby Digital and DTS (not Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master) on our Mad Catz M.O.J.O.
So it is getting better and better, but still not perfect.
MX Player
DTX Codec
We don't support DTS or Dolby surround natively (although Dolby Digital should pass through automatically if received) but we do support straight multichannel 5.1 sound which is likely what you're seeing when you see "Multichannel" on your receiver.
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We don't support DTS or Dolby surround natively (although Dolby Digital should pass through automatically if received) but
we do support straight multichannel 5.1 sound which is likely what you're seeing when you see "Multichannel" on your receiver.
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Then why put on your website that it supports 5.1-channel surround audio, because that was the main reason i bought this device, and that means Dolby
digital and DTS, you cannot get multichannel 5.1 sound without does audio codecs, just pay them for the sounds just like MeLE has don, and there device cost
only $110.
So if you get no 5.1 multichannel then i sent it back to the store, because to pay that much money and not get 5.1 sound support is absurd, and very cheap of
you guys, then just say on your website ONLY Stereo and never 5.1 sound.
Even the Playstation 3 has Dolby digital and DTS, and that one cost the same as this device.
DTS and Dolby aren't the only 5.1 audio codec options! It's often a misconception that if you're not getting DTS or Dolby then you're not getting the best - look at all the discussion about which output option to use on PS4 at the moment and you'll see many people recommending Linear PCM over Dolby or DTS because it's uncompressed. Do that and your amp will only show "multichannel", but it's still 5.1 or 7.1 (depending on the source material).
You ARE getting 5.1 sound if it says Multichannel on your amp. If you're unsure, many amps have the icons for each speaker channel which only illuminate when that channel is getting output - if you have them, see if they're getting lit.
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DTS and Dolby aren't the only 5.1 audio codec options! It's often a misconception that if you're not getting DTS or Dolby then you're not getting the best - look at all the discussion about which output option to use on PS4 at the moment and you'll see many people recommending Linear PCM over Dolby or DTS because it's uncompressed. Do that and your amp will only show "multichannel", but it's still 5.1 or 7.1 (depending on the source material).
You ARE getting 5.1 sound if it says Multichannel on your amp. If you're unsure, many amps have the icons for each speaker channel which only illuminate when that channel is getting output - if you have them, see if they're getting lit.
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I see MULTICH and PCM and in movies i only get 2.0 audio.
I have used allot of sound test files and i never hear my back and center speaker and subwoofer in movies.
But i hear in the Google Play Music App 5.0, but not in movie players, so how to get 5.1 sound in movie players?
I used does 7.1 and 5.1 24bit/48kHz multichannel wav files:
http://www.jensign.com/bdp95/7dot1voiced/
But TV shows and Movies don't have Linear PCM codec, and the Playstation 3 and 4 can do the decoding true Linear PCM, but what i can see is that the Mad
Catz M.O.J.O. cannot do the decoding, so you're answer is a little bit still don't you think, but what i can read is that you cannot hear the difference
between Linear PCM and DTS(-HD Master).
But why can't you just buy a license for Dolby Digital and DTS, just like MeLE and VidON has don?
Could you try one of the files here?:
http://www.dolby.com/us/en/consumer/technology/home-theater/dolby-digital-plus-download.html
The basic surround test is a good one.
Edit: I just tried the 5.1 test file from that link of yours and it works fine - I get audio response in all channels.
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Could you try one of the files here?:
http://www.dolby.com/us/en/consumer/technology/home-theater/dolby-digital-plus-download.html
The basic surround test is a good one.
Edit: I just tried the 5.1 test file from that link of yours and it works fine - I get audio response in all channels.
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That may be but i do not have it in movies, and sorry to say but people do not buy it so that they can listen to some (and i mean almost non) 5.1 music,
they buy also you device to look at movies with 5.1 sound, not only to play games on it.
Same for Xbox and Playstation, allot of people also use it to look at movies with it.
And it is ****y to put loud and clear with full support for 5.1-channel surround audio, on your website, because that is bad advertisement.
So i called the store and tomorrow they are gone take it of my hands, and get my money back.
Now i just gone use my MeLE more also for gaming, gone use my Logitech cordless rumblepad 2, and Mele F10-Pro Air Mouse.
I hope you all good luck, but if you are someone that likes to look at movies allot then stay away from this product.
Well, that's your prerogative but I have to point out for anyone reading this thread that I've proven to you that Dolby Digital works and 5.1 PCM files are also fine.
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Well, that's your prerogative but I have to point out for anyone reading this thread that I've proven to you that Dolby Digital works and 5.1 PCM files are also fine.
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HAHA yes of course, but still it's bad advertisement, If you really want to be honest you put on your website that it cannot play movies and TV Shows in 5.1-channel surround audio, then you are honest.
As long as the TV shows and movies you're watching are outputting Dolby Digital or PCM then you're fine.
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As long as the TV shows and movies you're watching are outputting Dolby Digital or PCM then you're fine.
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Come on will you, ALL TV shows and Movies are Dolby digital and DTS and more, and Dolby digital is not 5.1 on the Mad Catz M.O.J.O. only Stereo.
Did you try the test file I linked you to on Dolby's site? I assume you did and found that you got 5.1 sound from it. I certainly did - just like I did from the PCM test file that you linked. If you did then that shows you that Dolby Digital sound is working on MOJO - the next step is for you to confirm the exact audio that's encoded on the files that you're using. If they're DTS then you will get stereo, but if they're correctly encoded in either 5.1 Dolby Digital (remember that there is also such a thing as Dolby Digital 2.0!) or PCM then you'll get 5.1 sound.
For DTS encoded files where you're only getting stereo I'll bet your amp features an option to enable Dolby Pro Logic IIx on the stereo signal which, in my experience, creates a surprisingly effective surround effect.
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Did you try the test file I linked you to on Dolby's site? I assume you did and found that you got 5.1 sound from it. I certainly did - just like I did from the PCM test file that you linked. If you did then that shows you that Dolby Digital sound is working on MOJO - the next step is for you to confirm the exact audio that's encoded on the files that you're using. If they're DTS then you will get stereo, but if they're correctly encoded in either 5.1 Dolby Digital (remember that there is also such a thing as Dolby Digital 2.0!) or PCM then you'll get 5.1 sound.
For DTS encoded files where you're only getting stereo I'll bet your amp features an option to enable Dolby Pro Logic IIx on the stereo signal which, in my experience, creates a surprisingly effective surround effect.
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Strange because the MKV movie(s) i played that had AC3 5.1 (is Dolby digital) played in Stereo, and yes i have Dolby Pro Logic IIx, but DTS or DTS-HD Master sounds MUCH better then Dolby Pro Logic IIx.
But it doesn't matter, i do not have the MadCatz M.O.J.O. anymore, it went back to the store.
But why do you sell a Android TV Box that has no video players installed on it, with Codec packs so you can hear sound if you play Movies with Dolby
Digital, Dolby TrueHD and DTS, DTS-HD Master, that is very strange.
All and i mean all the Android TV Boxes out of china have them already installed, so that it works good on there Hardware.
Like the very popular MINIX NEO X5 and MINIX NEO X7, and MeLE M9 and MeLE A1000G.
And yes gaming on then is the same as on the MadCatz M.O.J.O., you buy a PS3 GPS3CT01 (Gamepad) for $14.00 at tinydeal, and can play all the
games that has Gamepad support, and more with a air mouse, that comes with the Android TV Boxes.
MOJO is a completely open system onto which you can install any media player that you like. We do make recommendations (such as linking to the apk for MXPlayer on our getting started site, linked on the homescreen of MOJO) but ultimately it's your box to do with as you wish.
Regarding gaming being the same, well that's already not true with a lot of the latest games coming out and the gap is only going to get wider with some of the apps we know are coming this year.
Update: we've been talking to the guys at XBMC and this looks like an issue with the pass-through function in XBMC on Android. We'll update once we have a solution - in the meantime the pass-through function works fine in MXPlayer.
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Update: we've been talking to the guys at XBMC and this looks like an issue with the pass-through function in XBMC on Android. We'll update once we have a solution - in the meantime the pass-through function works fine in MXPlayer.
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Ok then, but can you please buy a DTS pass so that we can hear all the audio codecs, just like MeLE and VidOn has don?
After seeing a post on reddit about someone wondering if this is possible I decided to try if I could get this to work. Could be useful if you could listen to the audio by headphones plugged into your phone and watching on the big screen. Found a solution quite fast in BubbleUPnP and using it's ability to send the audio to a DLNA renderer, this feature is called Audio Cast. You will need:
-Rooted FireTV with Xposed installed
-BubbleUPnP and the license, or you will be limited to 20 minutes audio streaming per app Launch.
-Mouse plugged into your FireTV, or droidmote/wukong/etc
Install BubbleUPnP and the license on your FireTV and enable BubbleUPnP in Xposed, then reboot your FireTV. Next you will need to install BubbleUPnP on any other DLNA renderer app on your phone/tablet/whatever you want to stream the audio to. Open BubbleUPnP on your phone so that the version on your FireTV can find it. Then open up BubbleUPnP on your FireTV, open the sidebar and as the renderer select your phone. Next to the renderer you can see a switch which you can use to turn Audio cast Off/On.
I would recommend first starting your movie/episode in XBMC before enabling Audio Cast, this seemed to give me the best result. So play your media in XBMC, enable Audio Cast and go back to XBMC and resume. You will notice there is a delay in the Audio. Use the Audio offset to correct for this. I needed to set the Audio ahead by 1.8 seconds to get it to sync up properly. However this can vary quite a bit between plays and it can be tricky to find the correct offset to fix the delay.
If you experience audio drops try increasing the audio buffer length in the BubbleUPnP Audio Cast settings on your FireTV. Not a perfect solution but seems to work well enough for the occasional movie when someone else is sleeping in the same room.
This is the response I got from bubbleupnp back last year when I was trying to get this to work.
Hi,
Audio Cast cannot technically be used to send synced audio with video. There is no way around it.
The only valid use of Audio Cast with videos is if you are only interested in the audio part of the video.
Cheers,
Bubblesoft
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Tried as much as I could, it wasn't a solution. Ended up with better results with xbmc and audio delay with BT headphones. Until a real.solution comes ....
If you have bluetooth headphones there is obviously no need for anything like this. I don't have any so listening through my phone can be useful at times.
There will always be a delay if you stream the audio to your phone while watching on the FireTV. However XBMC audio offset works well and it usually doesn't take too much effort to get the video and audio to sync up.
Hello,
I am trying out this phone due to it's built-in DAC. I have had other phones that I connected to an external DAC via an OTG USB cable. I have used USB Audio Pro and the Onkyo HF players successful to with good results. It would be nice to have a phone and a quality DAC/Amp/Player all-in-one device.
I noticed that with the Sprint variant of the V20, it only comes with the Google Music Player application. I don't really like the program very much as it is very limited in functionality. It seems to play all of my PCM and DSD files. I did notice, however, that my DSD files don't sound quite right. I believe that the Google Music Player application is doing a conversion to PCM first. Can anybody authenticate or rule this out?
I tried using USB Audio Pro and they claim that they are unable to play DSD files via the Android operating system. As a result, their application does a pcm conversion when an external DAC is NOT attached to the phone, but plays native DSD to a USB attached DAC.
The Onkyo HF player app seems to do the same thing.
Am I missing some settings?
Is Google play converting to PCM prior to output?
Is there a setting in the Onkyo HF Player app that needs to be toggled/adjusted?
Where can I get DETAILED specifications and instructions for use of the DAC in the V20?
mlknez said:
Hello,
I am trying out this phone due to it's built-in DAC. I have had other phones that I connected to an external DAC via an OTG USB cable. I have used USB Audio Pro and the Onkyo HF players successful to with good results. It would be nice to have a phone and a quality DAC/Amp/Player all-in-one device.
I noticed that with the Sprint variant of the V20, it only comes with the Google Music Player application. I don't really like the program very much as it is very limited in functionality. It seems to play all of my PCM and DSD files. I did notice, however, that my DSD files don't sound quite right. I believe that the Google Music Player application is doing a conversion to PCM first. Can anybody authenticate or rule this out?
I tried using USB Audio Pro and they claim that they are unable to play DSD files via the Android operating system. As a result, their application does a pcm conversion when an external DAC is NOT attached to the phone, but plays native DSD to a USB attached DAC.
The Onkyo HF player app seems to do the same thing.
Am I missing some settings?
Is Google play converting to PCM prior to output?
Is there a setting in the Onkyo HF Player app that needs to be toggled/adjusted?
Where can I get DETAILED specifications and instructions for use of the DAC in the V20?
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Whoa. Sounds like you are a connoisseur of good music, high fidelity audio files, and equipment that gives great sound quality. You've opened a new door for me to venture through. Curious to hear what others will reply to this thread...
mlknez said:
Hello,
I am trying out this phone due to it's built-in DAC. I have had other phones that I connected to an external DAC via an OTG USB cable. I have used USB Audio Pro and the Onkyo HF players successful to with good results. It would be nice to have a phone and a quality DAC/Amp/Player all-in-one device.
I noticed that with the Sprint variant of the V20, it only comes with the Google Music Player application. I don't really like the program very much as it is very limited in functionality. It seems to play all of my PCM and DSD files. I did notice, however, that my DSD files don't sound quite right. I believe that the Google Music Player application is doing a conversion to PCM first. Can anybody authenticate or rule this out?
I tried using USB Audio Pro and they claim that they are unable to play DSD files via the Android operating system. As a result, their application does a pcm conversion when an external DAC is NOT attached to the phone, but plays native DSD to a USB attached DAC.
The Onkyo HF player app seems to do the same thing.
Am I missing some settings?
Is Google play converting to PCM prior to output?
Is there a setting in the Onkyo HF Player app that needs to be toggled/adjusted?
Where can I get DETAILED specifications and instructions for use of the DAC in the V20?
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Have you tried the stock music app?
Sent from my LG-H918 using Tapatalk
Have you tried Poweramp? I'm pretty sure it will play hi res music files as is..
mrwinkle13 said:
Have you tried the stock music app?
Sent from my LG-H918 using Tapatalk
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The stock music app for the Sprint variant is Google Play Music
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Have you tried Poweramp? I'm pretty sure it will play hi res music files as is..
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Thanks for the suggestion but you are incorrect. It will only play PCM files and not beyond 48khz.
Someone uploaded the image of the stock music player - if you can't find it let me know and I'll try and pull it myself.
I use this app to enable the DAC for GPM (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.phascinate.lgv10.dacfix&hl=en). You can really hear a difference flipping the on/off switch. I'm considering completely dropping GPM just because the quality is so much lower for no reason. Even on my G2 the same MP3s would sound better on the default player.
TIDAL also works natively with the DAC, almost as well as the stock launcher. The built-in DAC is far better than my Audioquest Dragonfly USB DAC I've been using
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Someone uploaded the image of the stock music player - if you can't find it let me know and I'll try and pull it myself.
I use this app to enable the DAC for GPM (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.phascinate.lgv10.dacfix&hl=en). You can really hear a difference flipping the on/off switch. I'm considering completely dropping GPM just because the quality is so much lower for no reason. Even on my G2 the same MP3s would sound better on the default player.
TIDAL also works natively with the DAC, almost as well as the stock launcher. The built-in DAC is far better than my Audioquest Dragonfly USB DAC I've been using
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I am going to cancel my GPM too now that I have the 20 and just use tidal for streaming way better. Hoping they were going to have a better dac in the pixel and upgrade the music on GPM but didn't happen.
I don't have a subscription to the google play music service. I just have the app on the phone and it is the ONLY music player that comes with the phone. It is horrible for playing local music files.
Neutron. Try neutron first and see what happens. And maybe mx player pro though mx is more for video than audio but the type of audio you're using is something that might be embedded in a video file. Worth a shot.
Anyone have issues with gapless playback?
I've tried it with PowerAmp and Black Player and neither work.
Only time it seems to work is if I intentionally skip to the last few seconds of a song to test it.
My music is on my SD card but that really shouldn't be an issue.
Unfortunately, my suspicions were confirmed about the implementation of the ES9218 DAC:
The following is from the developer of the NeutronMP player:
According your logs (Thank you for making them!) OS declares only one
(!!!) frequency - 48000 kHz. You can see it in logs:
[13:08:16] I <SFX>| enum: device 0
[13:08:16] I <SFX>| enum: id = 1
[13:08:16] I <SFX>| enum: type = 1
[13:08:16] I <SFX>| enum: name = LG-LS997
[13:08:16] I <SFX>| enum: is sink = 1
[13:08:16] I <SFX>| enum: is source = 0
[13:08:16] I <SFX>| enum: channels [1]:
[13:08:16] I <SFX>| - 1
[13:08:16] I <SFX>| enum: sample rates [1]:
[13:08:16] I <SFX>| - 48000
[13:08:16] I <SFX>| enum: sample types [1]:
[13:08:16] I <SFX>| - 2
It means firmware does not expose Hi-Fi DAC via this new API. Why LG can not make it and expose DAC and solve the problem with using full potential of the device - puzzle. Neutron would use it automatically if DAC is exposed by the firmware.
Hi guys, and thanks for your information. Can someone point us toward how to use an equalizer effectively? I believe many times folks who put down simply don't understand how to maximize the benefits. In terms of real cans I have HE400s. In terms of ear buds I have the BOs and a set of HE600 ear buds. How do I understand how to maximize my sound and how do I use an equalizer (with Nuetron or other apps).
Thanks Guys
Do some research. Look at the frequency response of the source you're using and the frequency response of the cans you're using. Go from there. Unless you're a tech head st this and have proper equipment it is a little testing and tweaking. Like if you're mids are low on the source and cans you want up the frequencies in the mid range to get it back. But if you doing it blindly then it's a lot testing and tweaking.