Some criticism about this device - Moto X General

Just bought my Moto X from motomaker, made an order on thursday and received it this morning - so fast (St Louis, MO)!
So my main concert is the screen brightness. Even my Galaxy Nexus was not the brightest phone that I ever had, but Moto X screen is even dimmier. It is probably the same screen that was used at Galaxy Note 2 except being smaller. That screen was dim as well. That causes the display to be reflective to lamps and sun which annoys me.
Second thing that I did not like so far, is, surprise, the phone's shape which everybody likes. For me the edges are too sharp, maybe I just have too big hand.
Camera is a little bit better than Galaxy Nexus camera, for me the quality of it is ok so far.
But active notifications rock.
Do you know if it will be possible to increase the brightness somehow?

DarkVasyaK said:
Just bought my Moto X from motomaker, made an order on thursday and received it this morning - so fast (St Louis, MO)!
So my main concert is the screen brightness. Even my Galaxy Nexus was not the brightest phone that I ever had, but Moto X screen is even dimmier. It is probably the same screen that was used at Galaxy Note 2 except being smaller. That screen was dim as well. That causes the display to be reflective to lamps and sun which annoys me.
Second thing that I did not like so far, is, surprise, the phone's shape which everybody likes. For me the edges are too sharp, maybe I just have too big hand.
Camera is a little bit better than Galaxy Nexus camera, for me the quality of it is ok so far.
But active notifications rock.
Do you know if it will be possible to increase the brightness somehow?
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I don't find the brightness to be an issue, even turned all the way down - any chance you can go to a retailer and check to see how the brightness compares on one of their floor models? It seems like that could be a defect, rather than working as intended.

I don't know the Max brightness is fine for me. I actually wish the brightness went Lower. That is really not that big of a problem. As for the camera I don't know what all the criticism is about. The low light could be better but I think the regular shots are very good
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Eh, depending on the kernel drivers maybe increasing the brightness is possible. But I doubt it. I think its happened before on other devices, but usually LCD screens. This is amoled so I bet it won't happen.

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I don't find the brightness to be an issue, even turned all the way down - any chance you can go to a retailer and check to see how the brightness compares on one of their floor models? It seems like that could be a defect, rather than working as intended.
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2nd, i find it quite bright. In most cases i have it set pretty dim. I'd compare in store.

That's AMOLED for you. I had 2x GNEX and both had different brightness and colour. One had to be 55% to be equivalent to the other at 30%.
If you think it is too dim, you are probably right. Just exchange it.

RogerPodacter said:
Eh, depending on the kernel drivers maybe increasing the brightness is possible. But I doubt it. I think its happened before on other devices, but usually LCD screens. This is amoled so I bet it won't happen.
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My Gnex with Faux kernel can be set to a ridiculously bright setting through rgb and gamma. Then you have active display/screen mode on the other Galaxy devices so it's possible.
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May just be defective. I leave my screen around 40 percent and it's more than bright enough even in sunlight.
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KNiGHTx4 said:
I don't know the Max brightness is fine for me. I actually wish the brightness went Lower. That is really not that big of a problem. As for the camera I don't know what all the criticism is about. The low light could be better but I think the regular shots are very good
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I find the camera to be inconsistent. Some photos look great and others look like they have a gray haze over them. I think it just has issues with white balance, really. Because of that, in outdoor sunlight photos look pretty good, but with LED lighting, or CFL lighting, they look washed out.
Hopefully the new update makes it more consistent.

Lemme go a lil' offtopic
How pure is this Moto X android in comparison with the GS4, HTC One, Xperia Z
You know the pure android.
How much is this android distant with the "pure edition"? (Manufacturer bloatware (except for google))
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AnMotass said:
Lemme go a lil' offtopic
How pure is this Moto X android in comparison with the GS4, HTC One, Xperia Z
You know the pure android.
How much is this android distant with the "pure edition"? (Manufacturer bloatware (except for google))
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According to the reviews I've read on Android Central by Phil and Jerry, it is stock Android with a couple of added features that are beneficial rather than gimmicky. The skin looks like vanilla Android, whereas TouchWiz, Sense, etc. use difference icons, different menus, OEM-specific apps (like Samsung's S Voice, for example), etc. The Moto X seems to be stock Android 4.2 with a transparent navigation bar, active notifications, and the Motorola app to connect the phone to the computer (so you can get incoming texts, etc. on your desktop).

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Lemme go a lil' offtopic
How pure is this Moto X android in comparison with the GS4, HTC One, Xperia Z
You know the pure android.
How much is this android distant with the "pure edition"? (Manufacturer bloatware (except for google))
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It has a very pure Android feel. As mentioned above, there are just a couple nice additions. The active notifications really should be included on all smart phones.
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DarkVasyaK said:
Just bought my Moto X from motomaker, made an order on thursday and received it this morning - so fast (St Louis, MO)!
So my main concert is the screen brightness. Even my Galaxy Nexus was not the brightest phone that I ever had, but Moto X screen is even dimmier. It is probably the same screen that was used at Galaxy Note 2 except being smaller. That screen was dim as well. That causes the display to be reflective to lamps and sun which annoys me.
Second thing that I did not like so far, is, surprise, the phone's shape which everybody likes. For me the edges are too sharp, maybe I just have too big hand.
Camera is a little bit better than Galaxy Nexus camera, for me the quality of it is ok so far.
But active notifications rock.
Do you know if it will be possible to increase the brightness somehow?
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I completely agree with the edges but I also agree it is because you have big hands. I was dropping the phone all the time because of its size. I got this case that fits nice is a little bit thicker and looks pretty nice. I actually only got the case because I wanted a little but more grip on the phone with these shaq like hands I have.
http://www.qmadix.com/covers-cases/s-series-cover-motorola-moto-x-rdblk.asp
I can post/send you some real pictures later if you would like.

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Nexus S super amoled display Vs Vibrant

I have both the Nexus S and a Vibrant. I must say that the Nexus S super amoled display looks better then the Vibrant super amoled display and, it's not the brightness. I turned the Nexus S screen to the lowest setting and, I turned the Vibrant to the highest setting as a result the Nexus S screen looks alot better. What's you all thoughts on this?...please don't say that the vibrant is a defective product because, this will be my 4'th Vibrant do to this...thanks.
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Every SAMOLED screen has its own characteristics, there are no two SAMOLED screens that are identical, they just have to fall between an upper and lower specification
JD
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Thanks.
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I think that a newer display should come with a change log...lol but, trust me the Nexus S display is indeed a different better screen. I thought that a LCD was a LCD Super Amoled was a Super Amoled, just a different resolution and, size. It would be nice to let a customer know what they are buying. Thanks.
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Really, looking at both displays and back of the boxes checking to see if both are super amoled displays drove me crazy, I knew it was't my eyes. Sucks my Vibrant SUCK!
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I've noticed this as well... that is of you didn't get one with the ugly yellow/grey tint screen. I'm on my 6th sns and this one has the best amoled screen I've ever seen. I went through a few vibrants and ended up with a pretty nice one there too but there's no comparison with the particular nexus s. It even looks better than my buddy's fascinate which has a better screen than any vibrant I've seen or owned. Whites on this phone are awesome and very neutral with barely any tint at all. Even at its lowest brightness setting I don't have any purple or pink on the status bar pull down. Even on my phones that didn't have this exact quality screen still were great looking amoleds.
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I had 3 NS prior to the one I have now. The first one had a piss yellow screen, the second one had a off purple hue and the third had wifi issues....
The forth one is perfect in every way
JD
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I switched from the Sprint Epic to the Nexus S and i have to agree, my epics screen just didn't look as good as the nexus one did. On the epic i would normally set the brightness to halfway and it looked decent but on my nexus i leave it on auto and regardless of where i am it looks amazing. I don't know why but it does look better
So I take it, Super Amoled's are not all the same. I think they don't tell us this because of business reasons. Besides, I think it would be cool to know the name of my Nexus S screen cause I know for a fact the Nexus S has the best Amoled display out there.
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jalyn02 said:
So I take it, Super Amoled's are not all the same. I think they don't tell us this because of business reasons. Besides, I think it would be cool to know the name of my Nexus S screen cause I know for a fact the Nexus S has the best Amoled display out there.
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My guess is that they use the same basic technology but given the time between release dates some new parts or processes may have gone into the making of the Nexus S screens. The Nexus S definitely has a Super Active-Matrix Organic Light Emitting Diode (SAMOLED) but just looks slightly better. Heck it might even be due to the Contour Display (as it is called), who knows?
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My guess is that they use the same basic technology but given the time between release dates some new parts or processes may have gone into the making of the Nexus S screens. The Nexus S definitely has a Super Active-Matrix Organic Light Emitting Diode (SAMOLED) but just looks slightly better. Heck it might even be due to the Contour Display (as it is called), who knows?
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Contour Display is just what I was about to say but, you beat me to it. Thanks Guy's I thought this would be a good post and it was. Again thanks.
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My Vibrant's screen looks a million times better than my Nexus. I'm on my second Nexus, both of them were bad, and so was the demo in the store. I'd rather have the blue tinge on the Vibrant over either screen I have seen on the Nexus.
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My Vibrant's screen looks a million times better than my Nexus. I'm on my second Nexus, both of them were bad, and so was the demo in the store. I'd rather have the blue tinge on the Vibrant over either screen I have seen on the Nexus.
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sorry but if that's the case you need to return your ns again
vdub804 said:
sorry but if that's the case you need to return your ns again
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I also dabble in mastering the obvious on occasion.
its funny when it comes to screen on the nexus S, we find almost the same people replying " including me "
i think we reached a points where we are the " experts " of the screens now.
**** the phone. lets test screens. more fun
i think i would be a great quality control employee if this keeps up ^_^
I've been talking to supercurio about the screen issues, he says that they are fixable and that the contrast and gamma settings aren't correct. This totally makes sense to me, but I'm waiting to hear back on whether it will be included in his program or if this is a setting somewhere where I can adjust it.
j0hnZ said:
I've been talking to supercurio about the screen issues, he says that they are fixable and that the contrast and gamma settings aren't correct. This totally makes sense to me, but I'm waiting to hear back on whether it will be included in his program or if this is a setting somewhere where I can adjust it.
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That would be awesome, Keep me updated.
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I think samsung should abandon the SAMOLED tech for now.

Burn-in, image retention, colors degrading with time my god there are so many issues with SAMOLED screens I personally dont feel that super amazing contrast is worth all that.
It seems with the galaxy S and nexus S the problems werent as huge as they have become with the SGS2, galaxy note and galaxy nexus. With an LCD phone if there is a problem it will be manufacturing problem and not something that would develop after several months.
It seems with every new generation of SAMOLED screen the image quality is getting better but the problems are getting worse. LCD's on the other hand are only getting better with no problems.
I think if samsung is unable to improve on the SAMOLED tech then they should just suspend it for now until they can improve it. Samsung makes the beautiful LCD on my nexus S, samsung also provides HTC with the screen of the HTC one X which is widely regarded as the best smartphone screen. Samsung also makes the screen of the ipad 3. Samsung obviously knows how to make an LCD thats better than the competition if they were to make one for their own flagship.
So what is your opinion on the matter?
people buy galaxy series for amoled screen so i dont think samsung ever going to stop making them..and as per anandtech review of htc one x display make is sony...
gs2...
manojcitc said:
people buy galaxy series for amoled screen so i dont think samsung ever going to stop making them..and as per anandtech review of htc one x display make is sony...
gs2...
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Alright, first of all, it's not amoled's problem. it is the pentile technology. it lowers the screen res because it shares sub pixels. However, the galaxy s ii uses AMOLED PLUS, the PLUS means it's like LCD, uses RGB layout, with superb colour contrast along with high res graphics, no pentile ruining the details. so just be patient until AMOLED HD PLUS comes out. It will have: High Res, No pentile, High Contrast. Believe me, it will be 100x better than the One X.
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Alright, first of all, it's not amoled's problem. it is the pentile technology. it lowers the screen res because it shares sub pixels. However, the galaxy s ii uses AMOLED PLUS, the PLUS means it's like LCD, uses RGB layout, with superb colour contrast along with high res graphics, no pentile ruining the details. so just be patient until AMOLED HD PLUS comes out. It will have: High Res, No pentile, High Contrast. Believe me, it will be 100x better than the One X.
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But this doesn't sort out (mainly):
-Unnatural colours which need severe and constant attention as individual OLED lifetimes progress
-Strong possibility of burn in and an effectively similar effect (due to OLED lifetimes as above)
-Generally weak outdoors
I'm not sold on either path for the long term, but there is no denying LCDs in the current day have blown past practically all of their disadvantages. The only benefit i see of OLED technology in the foreseeable future is the ability to produce a "true" black (and lower power consumption as a result). While this is an awesome benefit, there is more far bad than good beyond this.
I'm unsure how far engineering can take OLEDs though. If we're hitting the peak of the bell curve i'd have to agree with the OP. Otherwise, competition and choice is good.
After using a samoled screen I could NEVER go back to the washed out colors of a standard led. I have yet to see any type of burn in on my screen. 90% of it's life will be with screen off anyway so really who cares.
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Go to att store and look at the HTC one x screen. Come back and report that it screen is washed out....
This tech of display was a junk which has used on benq-Siemens mobile phone five years ago.
However, Samsung bought this from someone who develop this screen and keeping develop until now. The problems still don't fix:thumbdown::thumbdown:
In my eyes, Samoled looks really gorgeous and can't live without it. But that's just my opinion.
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albundy2010 said:
Go to att store and look at the HTC one x screen. Come back and report that it screen is washed out....
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No need to go that far, the i9023's SC-LCD is a stunning looking display. My Nexus S easily stands its ground next to my brothers new GNex (which happily doesn't have strong yellow/green tints stock, which makes me like his more than most OLEDs). Considering that it is close, the only benefit his has is definitely the black contrast (big benefit no doubt). Nothing else is particularly noteworthy above the other.
But i can leave my screen on all day knowing it will be just as pretty as always.
Heck even the nexus S i9023 has such a great LCD in my opinion. The colors are more saturated than an iphone 4 but not so much as SAMOLED which in my opinion is the best balance. It's also so visibly sharper and much better whites. If nexus S had retina pixel density then the SC-LCD could match the one X to be honest.
The advantages of SAMOLED are,
Pure blacks
Fastest response time
A smaller footprint which helps in making phones lighter and thinner
Now to me only the first one is a major advantage. But is it worth all the problems? I really dont think so.
Harbb said:
My Nexus S easily stands its ground next to my brothers new GNex
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Yes exactly when I first used the gnexus I thought it's going to blow away the display on my nexus S but it really didnt. I preferred the colors on nexus S and it was also visibly brighter at full brightness.
The gnexus does destroy it in black level but then the nexus S LCD does the same to the gnexus when you compare whites, they were simply horrible on the gnexus. I am really surprised google went with a white background in the messaging app, it not only looks bad on the gnexus but would kill battery as well.
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No need to go that far, the i9023's SC-LCD is a stunning looking display. My Nexus S easily stands its ground next to my brothers new GNex (which happily doesn't have strong yellow/green tints stock, which makes me like his more than most OLEDs). Considering that it is close, the only benefit his has is definitely the black contrast (big benefit no doubt). Nothing else is particularly noteworthy above the other.
But i can leave my screen on all day knowing it will be just as pretty as always.
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Here in the states it is rare to see people with a nexus period. Most that you do see are the sprints. Chances of a 9023 are basically nil.
But yeah if you know someone with a phone that has a good LCD check it out. Or just go down to the store and look. Better yet wait till sprint stores in the us put its version on HTC one x on display. Use that side by side with gnex
That last part was to the person that said LCD sucks. Not harbb
I find it really interesting that most of the people commenting in the thread seem to prefer LCD, but the poll dominates for SAMOLED.
Good point albundy, and i know what you were saying I've never actually seen an i9020A/T/4G myself so i can't compare them to the GNex and i can't remember the last time i saw an SGS around here.
As the poll is worded quite nicely, i think i'll actually vote for once. Too many polls are black and white, nicely played Gambler.
edit: Polls are just that, polls. Just as many people said cpuidle saved more battery than deep idle (i think for quite a while it was more in favor of cpuidle). Look at how that turned out
Back when I would edit photos on my nexus. I really wanted the exact right shade for my eyes on the picture.
Well after I edited the photo on my nexus, upload it to Book it was diffdnt
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Guys, I had a Nexus S i9023 (LCD), and my dad has a i9020T (samoled), and all i can say is that I wish I had his phone... the colors look MUCH MUCH MUCH nicer on a Samoled man!!!!!!!
Coming from a G2, the colors on the NS look much nicer. My phone has a minor blue line where the status bar is, but you really can't see it unless you concentrate on that area. The only reason I saw it was because of some friggin' super white background on some webpage
even if they look nicer they are still fake.
fake is not cool.
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Shark_On_Land said:
even if they look nicer they are still fake.
fake is not cool.
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Go f*ck your iphone
Ps : sarcasm
Heh. Maybe. I enjoy looking at them. Had I been serious about taking photos, I'd probably get an actual camera.

[Q] Blackness of LCD?

I was reading TechRadar's review while waiting for my N4 to be delivered. They made a lot of big promises on the LCD's ability to show black. Here are the highlights so you don't have to read the whole thing:
"When you're looking at icons on a black background (like in the app drawer), you can't even see the black, if that makes sense. It is so deep, that icons just float."
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"The screen is invisible when off – but when it lights up, you're treated to 4.7-inches of True HD IPS Plus beauty."
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"It is razor sharp – blowing Retina out of the water and we'll venture it is one of the best we've seen on a handset."
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This put my expectations high. Upon actually receiving my N4, it was underwhelming. I can see the black, I'll say the LCD does black well, but not as well as the review states. My LCD is also not invisible when off. I can look at the front of the phone at almost any angle and be able to tell you where the edges of the screen are when it's off. Lastly, (this is mostly opinion) I think that while this screen is comparable to Retina, it doesn't "blow it out of the water."
What are your experiences with the N4's screen? It would seem either TechRadar was stretching the truth, or LG started shipping newer phones with cheaper LCDs inside. Thoughts?
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I was reading TechRadar's review while waiting for my N4 to be delivered. They made a lot of big promises on the LCD's ability to show black. Here are the highlights so you don't have to read the whole thing:
This put my expectations high. Upon actually receiving my N4, it was underwhelming. I can see the black, I'll say the LCD does black well, but not as well as the review states. My LCD is also not invisible when off. I can look at the front of the phone at almost any angle and be able to tell you where the edges of the screen are when it's off. Lastly, (this is mostly opinion) I think that while this screen is comparable to Retina, it doesn't "blow it out of the water."
What are your experiences with the N4's screen? It would seem either TechRadar was stretching the truth, or LG started shipping newer phones with cheaper LCDs inside. Thoughts?
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I love the screen the only thing I miss on the samoled screens are the black. Other then that it's way better then anything I've owned.
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I wont criticize anything from now on. Because here people always want to hear good things about everything. So i would say N4 has the best display i have ever seen in any phone.
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I wont criticize anything from now on. Because here people always want to hear good things about everything. So i would say N4 has the best display i have ever seen in any phone.
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:sniffs:
Smells like butthurt.
OP, I can see my LCD's borders with the screen off, too. So what? It looks great.
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It would seem either TechRadar was stretching the truth, or LG started shipping newer phones with cheaper LCDs inside. Thoughts?
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Or maybe, just maybe, each phone is not 100% like the next. Nor is each person's eyesight.
But that would be crazy, wouldn't it?
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The blacks are pretty deep for me after calibrating with an oled.
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I'm very impressed by the display personally. Yes, I can distinguish between the screen and the bezel but I honestly don't care. Colours are surprisingly on par with the SGS3 but not as oversaturated, and whites are more white than the SGS3. The sharpness of the display is great as well. Overall, pretty awesome.
What gets me the most is the off angle blacks, they are horrible, unless you look at the phone perfectly perpendicular to the sides and tops then the blacks invert and become bright gray, even a slight change in viewing angle causes major degradation, its almost as bad as a TN display. Like all LCD's the blacks look great in a bright room, its when it gets dark that it turns to crap.

So I got to play with an S4 today...

... Not enough to make me regret my purchase of the HTC One.
My previous phone was a S3, which I absolutely loved and had me seriously excited about the S4. However, holding the one I knew which one to go for. Had my one for about 2 weeks now, and I love it but had that niggling worry that I'd regret my decision.
Today, that worry was cleared up.
The Samsung rep visited us today with an s4. and I got to play with it for a short while. Yes, the ability to interact with the screen without touching it is pretty cool, but apart from the lock screen I started getting frustrated with it (kept touching the screen). The health app is very nice, and laid out really well, but like many of the other features, its just not something I need or want.
The actual UI felt laggy, like it was running slower that 24fps. Switching through home pages on both devices at the same time and it just looked smoother on the One. The Samsung rep said he felt otherwise but he is paid to say that
The screen on the S4, in my opinion is much nicer than the one on my One. Granted, the One has quite a dark coloured interface and the S4 has a very colourful vibrant interface, but I just felt the colours were much more alive than on the One.
The build quality is nice on the S4, with all completely uniform gaps around the device, where as the one has gaps etc. However, the S4 does indeed feel cheap to hold. The texture of the plastic doesn't feel amazing, the weight is nice but just lacks that... premium feel.
I know most of these points (if not all) have been covered on reviews etc. but I thought it might be nice to put my 2 pence in as a HTC One owner and previous Samsung user. I do not regret my purchase and still feel I have bought the better device for my own needs and wants.
raty
cool story bro
For balance just to say my One has no gaps, perfect build.
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Post on s4 forums .
To be fair I'd love a display with a bezel like the S4 but wouldn't sacrifice the quality of the screen in the One for a S4 display.
The thing is..the screen on the S4 is OLED so the colours will look far more vibrant but, they wont be accurate and its a pentile display. I am quite keen to get my hands on an S4 just to see what its like.
I would say the HTC One is like a Rolls Royce Phantom and the S4 like a Nissan GTR.
Goof choice. I was on deciding which phone to get for a month. Chose the HTC one . Boom sound is awesome. Sense is pretttyyyyy compared to touchwiz. For 649 vs 750 for a s4, it was a no brainer for me. Also im going to sell hundreds of s4 throughout this year anyways lol
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I would say the HTC One is like a Rolls Royce Phantom and the S4 like a Nissan GTR.
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I hope note as I would prefer the GTR
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Some nice info there mate! I think the only thing i prefer on the S4 is the AMOLED display.
Can i ask a question? Before i do, i know the S4 has improved ALOT on the PPI on the display, however, when i had the S3 i also had my One X, when holding them together, the screen on the One X was such much clearer! Much harder to see the Pixels, but on the S3 the pixels stood out like a sore thumb? Was this something you noticed on the S4 compared to the One? Or have they dramatically improved on this and its now similar to HTC? This is something i would like to know.
My HTC One has no gaps at all.
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dobknobby said:
Some nice info there mate! I think the only thing i prefer on the S4 is the AMOLED display.
Can i ask a question? Before i do, i know the S4 has improved ALOT on the PPI on the display, however, when i had the S3 i also had my One X, when holding them together, the screen on the One X was such much clearer! Much harder to see the Pixels, but on the S3 the pixels stood out like a sore thumb? Was this something you noticed on the S4 compared to the One? Or have they dramatically improved on this and its now similar to HTC? This is something i would like to know.
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I was curious about this too, as I had hopes AMOLED had been improved. But honestly I see the same flaws as on earlier iterations:
Dirty whites (turquoise), even in film mode (early measurements reported accurate color temperature, but if you look at it, it is clear that RGB balance is off) - most colorimeters can't measure OLED correctly.
Quite a bit dimmer than the best LCD displays
Discoloration with off axis viewing
Are you sure you prefer the AMOLED screen? I have had an AMOLED for the last 2 years and I can't look at them anymore. AMOLED were OK when LCD's were dimmer, but now the gap is huge.
Honestly, if you can, try browsing the same web pages in parallel on the S4 and the One. It is literally "night and day". It doesn't need to be outdoor. Even in the store the HTC One's screen strikes you as the more vibrant one. I will likely be measuring the S4's screen myself because I don't believe those early measurements that showed a 6500K color temperature. The screen has a green push even in film mode...
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ratykat said:
The actual UI felt laggy, like it was running slower that 24fps. Switching through home pages on both devices at the same time and it just looked smoother on the One. The Samsung rep said he felt otherwise but he is paid to say that
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I also saw that!!! I was very surprised by this considering my S2 had a smooth experience. I don't know if the overclocking created voltage throttling but it was as you said, laggy and reminded me of the HTC One X when it first started. The browsing experience was horrible.
Are people here actually really paying attention to the S4 screen characteristics?
Firstly, pentile is IRRELEVANT at this PPI.
Second, colour accuracy is good and excellent in the Adobe RGB and Movie modes respectively. Whites are FAR more accurate than the HTC One.
Maximum brightness is less than the One, however sunlight legibility is essentially equivalent due to decreased screen reflectance.
Some fresh reading at Display Mate about it, for those who aren't satisfied with the several 'early' measurements taken by a number of sites.
I know everyone in this forum wants to straight up believe the HTC One has a far superior screen, but it just ain't so folks. Don't get me wrong, the One also has a truly excellent screen, but I just don't see its screen as being a selling point or differentiator in comparison to the S4 screen (neither do I think the S4 screen should be used as a rationale to buy an S4 over an HTC, they're both excellent).
The new oled screen in the S4 is amazingly good. It's actually far superior to the S3 screen.
I played with it on Sunday and I like it.
It's really nice and it will definately sell really well. I love the fact that they added easy mode. This will be such a great way to get noobies to switch to a smartphone($$).
I still prefer the One and I hope it does well. I feel like the One is meant for a different type of user. Samsung is for the mass and the HTC is for those who care.
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NZtechfreak said:
Are people here actually really paying attention to the S4 screen characteristics?
Firstly, pentile is IRRELEVANT at this PPI.
Second, colour accuracy is good and excellent in the Adobe RGB and Movie modes respectively. Whites are FAR more accurate than the HTC One.
Maximum brightness is less than the One, however sunlight legibility is essentially equivalent due to decreased screen reflectance.
Some fresh reading at Display Mate about it, for those who aren't satisfied with the several 'early' measurements taken by a number of sites.
I know everyone in this forum wants to straight up believe the HTC One has a far superior screen, but it just ain't so folks. Don't get me wrong, the One also has a truly excellent screen, but I just don't see its screen as being a selling point or differentiator in comparison to the S4 screen (neither do I think the S4 screen should be used as a rationale to buy an S4 over an HTC, they're both excellent).
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I have seen the display mate contribution. I like their approach but I don't agree with their conclusions (and it should be noted they have been fierce promoters of OLED displays since the Galaxy S came about).
For one, they fail to mention that even though the measured white color temperature is close to 6500K, the whites actually suffer from greenish cast - so pentile does matter, as there is a discoloration depending on how you look at the screen, and sadly, looking straight at the screen shows a turquoise veil whereas looking more from the side seemed to clean the screen a little from its dirty whites.
Second, the auto-adjust brightness feature taxes the battery so much that no one in their right mind will use it on the go.
When measuring pentile OLED displays it is important to note:
The orientation of the meter has an impact on the measurement, especially on screens with asymmetric structure such as pentile screens...this is something that I would like to quantify on the S4 when I get a chance
Colorimeters will not measure OLED displays correctly out of the box (this point is not relevant here, though, because I think Displaymate used CS-200 spectrophotometer)
So the theory is one thing, but the practice is completely different story. Please believe me that when I saw the measurements made by Displaymate and others I was quite enthusiastic (my S2 does not track as accurately). But while testing both screens in a real life situation, it became very clear to me the AMOLED screen did not live up to its alleged qualities, even in film mode.
Regarding peak brightness, HTC One also has an adaptative brightness mechanism with peak brightness at 530cd/m², but in daily use it is more around 460cd/m². Regardless, the lack of brightness is not totally offset by the better reflectance value, so OLED displays still are poorer performers outdoor and it is even worse indoor under moderate lightning as the S4 does not tap into its peak brightness at any time...
So my question to you. Have you been to a shop to compare both devices and if so, can you in good faith maintain that the HTC One's display does not trounce the S4's AMOLED? The difference was shocking to me. At first I thought it was down to my particular unit but seeing as someone is reporting the same experience, I think this is the screen as it is on any S4 device.
hello00 said:
cool story bro
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wow really?
NZtechfreak said:
Are people here actually really paying attention to the S4 screen characteristics?
Firstly, pentile is IRRELEVANT at this PPI.
Second, colour accuracy is good and excellent in the Adobe RGB and Movie modes respectively. Whites are FAR more accurate than the HTC One.
Maximum brightness is less than the One, however sunlight legibility is essentially equivalent due to decreased screen reflectance.
Some fresh reading at Display Mate about it, for those who aren't satisfied with the several 'early' measurements taken by a number of sites.
I know everyone in this forum wants to straight up believe the HTC One has a far superior screen, but it just ain't so folks. Don't get me wrong, the One also has a truly excellent screen, but I just don't see its screen as being a selling point or differentiator in comparison to the S4 screen (neither do I think the S4 screen should be used as a rationale to buy an S4 over an HTC, they're both excellent).
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That's true, I wouldn't even bother nitpicking on S4's screen. The only concern could be AMOLED tends to deteriorate faster(which is impossible to tell right now), otherwise I don't see a big con on S4 screen. I feel more comfortable with LCD but hey , a well-calibrated AMOLED isn't bad at all. it's just about preference.
Honestly, if anyone could tell a difference between 440/460 ppi, or even 720p/1080p on a phone, and I'll consider you the "God's eye". I got a phone with 330 ppi (darn it was good at that time) three months ago, and I could not easily tell the difference from my nexus7(~220ppi).
puremind said:
So my question to you. Have you been to a shop to compare both devices and if so, can you in good faith maintain that the HTC One's display does not trounce the S4's AMOLED? The difference was shocking to me. At first I thought it was down to my particular unit but seeing as someone is reporting the same experience, I think this is the screen as it is on any S4 device.
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Hopefully tomorrow! I'm meant to be getting my HTC One this afternoon unless Fedex fails me (usually they are very reliable here in NZ, so I'm hoping not). I get my S4 tomorrow.
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Don't forget the common issue with ugly screen burn in that most people experience with AMOLED from Samsung, pretty big issue as its a matter of when not if and sometimes happening inside of a month, don't even need your screen on for this to happen.
Noidea why this hasn't been mentioned and really should be on the side of the box as a warning.
patato2 said:
That's true, I wouldn't even bother nitpicking on S4's screen. The only concern could be AMOLED tends to deteriorate faster(which is impossible to tell right now), otherwise I don't see a big con on S4 screen. I feel more comfortable with LCD but hey , a well-calibrated AMOLED isn't bad at all. it's just about preference.
Honestly, if anyone could tell a difference between 440/460 ppi, or even 720p/1080p on a phone, and I'll consider you the "God's eye". I got a phone with 330 ppi (darn it was good at that time) three months ago, and I could not easily tell the difference from my nexus7(~220ppi).
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Pentile doesn't matter so much because of resolution but more because of the greenish discoloration it produces. Dynamic or Film mode has no impact, it is just an inherent flaw. Sure you can get used to it but you come back to an LCD screen you realize what you have been missing out on.

How's the screen for everyone?

Everyone who's owned a SIII knows the screen is completly useless when it comes to the sun being shined at it. Cannot see anything. What about the S4? Same issue? Just curious about to buy one
Also how's the screen for you all? =)
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I haven't found it too bad, I have found the auto brightness to adjust really well. It hasn't been too sunny here though
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Shoulon said:
Everyone who's owned a SIII knows the screen is completly useless when it comes to the sun being shined at it. Cannot see anything. What about the S4? Same issue? Just curious about to buy one
Also how's the screen for you all? =)
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I don't have an S4 yet but a report by displaymate a couple of days ago showed that when you have auto brightness turned on the AMOLED screen is just as bright as the brightest LCDs out there (around 475 nits). Of course you can't set this amount of brightness manually since you would overheat your phone and cause screen burn in if you did. That is why Samsung only allows this for when you have on auto brightness. Since as soon as you go back indoors it will lower the brightness back down.
Long time S3 user (launch) and just picked up the S4 yesterday. The screen, in terms of quality, offers a noticeable improvement over the S3. I migrated everything over from one phone to the other and there's no mistaking which is which. The total difference, however, is less than the difference we saw going in the S2->S3 IMO.
In bright light, unfortunately, they're basically the same as far as I can tell. The auto-brightness setting seems more conservative on the S4 (possibly to help with thermal issues), but I haven't had a chance to crank it up all the way out in the sun.
If screen brightness matters a lot to you, I urge you to take a look at the EVO. The LCD screen on that is much improved, extremely bright as usually, and the blacks are getting considerably blacker (see anantech review). I myself played with it for a half hour but quickly jumped back on the S4 since it fits me better.
I've owned every galaxy phone since the galaxy epic. (Sprint qwerty phone) AMOLED screens are great despite no anti glare features.
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Screen is great until your moving grey on a black background and then you have weird purple smears going on. Not sure if it's a faulty display or just 'how it's meant to be'
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The screen is stunning! Extremely sharp with smooth text and eye popping colours, its basically like Apple's Retina display on iP5 but with AMOLED benefits on top.
In sunlight it fares well from my experience, better than S3, IMO, its a lot less reflective.
Stunning!
6 Stars.

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