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How to wireless connect to tv

Is it possible without the use of android beem or a hdmi cable or a google tv or nexus q to show my android to my tv?

sillyshyme said:
Is it possible without the use of android beem or a hdmi cable or a google tv or nexus q to show my android to my tv?
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It seems at this point you won't be able to mirror your device without some additional hardware/software combo. Google wants you to start a google hardware family, which isn't out of the question if the price of the Q comes down some and there's some functionality that makes it worth it.
As it is now though everything I have with a screen talks to everything else with a screen but its still a bit haphazard to serve media in any different direction.
Hope this makes sense lol!

Luckily my lg smart tv has dnla so can stream from macbook / nexus over WiFi to tv.
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^^ How would you do this?

marmankites said:
Luckily my lg smart tv has dnla so can stream from macbook / nexus over WiFi to tv.
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I only used my nexus 7 for like 2 days because I returned it due to battery problem and I didn't have enough time to check to stream to my smart TV (DNLA). My phone can stream to my smart TV (DNLA). I'm waiting for nexus 7 to be in stock again. In the mean time, how did you get your nexus 7 to stream to your smart TV?

NeverAlwaysEver said:
I only used my nexus 7 for like 2 days because I returned it due to battery problem and I didn't have enough time to check to stream to my smart TV (DNLA). My phone can stream to my smart TV (DNLA). I'm waiting for nexus 7 to be in stock again. In the mean time, how did you get your nexus 7 to stream to your smart TV?
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How did you get your phone to stream to your smart TV over dnla? The only way I can see if using the All Share app, but that doesn't mirror the screen, basically I want to push my games on to the big screen if possible...

kevinm2k said:
How did you get your phone to stream to your smart TV over dnla? The only way I can see if using the All Share app, but that doesn't mirror the screen, basically I want to push my games on to the big screen if possible...
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You can use either of these (available in play store) if your TV supports DLNA connection.
Twonky Mobile or BubbleUPnP

mamba_nz said:
You can use either of these (available in play store) if your TV supports DNLA connection.
Twonky Mobile or BubbleUPnP
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But isn't this the same as using Allshare (on the samsung s2)?
I am mainly looking to mirror the screen so I can play games etc on the big screen.

kevinm2k said:
But isn't this the same as using Allshare (on the samsung s2)?
I am mainly looking to mirror the screen so I can play games etc on the big screen.
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Ah-I see. Sorry, I am not sure then. I am looking for something like that too but haven't found anything yet. Do let me know please if you find it.

kevinm2k said:
But isn't this the same as using Allshare (on the samsung s2)?
I am mainly looking to mirror the screen so I can play games etc on the big screen.
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To do what you are saying requires a Mobile High Definition link ~ aka an MHL connection which in turn goes to the HDMI port on a TV. Earlier cables (Samsung Galaxy S) could connect to a VGA port on a TV.
Unfortunately the Nexus does not come with any MHL capability otherwise we would by now be hearing of an MHL cable that you attach to the power socket (as is done on Samsung devices).
DNLA only links media files, as in Music, Photo's and Video. For that you need dedicated software to stream which has already been mentioned above.

Isn't possible any app to catch on a Google TV device and vice versa kind sling box for androids devices?
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Android is lacking here big time, apple has airplay through apple tv to show the screen on the tv and play games etc throught it, all wirelessly.
Android needs this... and fast!

VNC client and server apps exist, so if you want to display your screen on an android enabled TV you should be able to do it with VNC?

Its a WIFI enabled Smart TV I have... can use all share on s2 to share videos and music to it, but cannot mirror your screen, its something they need to resolve soon.

What can I do if my TV doesnt have DNLA, and the N7 doesnt support MHL.
Is there any other way? USB to VGA cable?

kevinm2k said:
Android is lacking here big time, apple has airplay through apple tv to show the screen on the tv and play games etc throught it, all wirelessly.
Android needs this... and fast!
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It's nothing to do with Android it's ASUS and Google who are lacking.....
You have the S2 and that can link direct to your TV using as you say Allshare and for anything else you would use an MHL adapter as the S2 has MHL built in.
If the Nexus had an Allshare alternative built in and DLNA support you would be able to show media files on your TV..... and again if the Nexus had MHL built in you would then be able to use an MHL adapter and mirror your Nexus screen with your TV.

I'm not talking about the nexus in particular I mean android as a whole needs some kind of solution or they are going to fall behind. Our should I say they'll never catch up on that regard. Can you point me to am mhl adapter to check out out
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kevinm2k said:
I'm not talking about the nexus in particular I mean android as a whole needs some kind of solution or they are going to fall behind. Our should I say they'll never catch up on that regard. Can you point me to am mhl adapter to check out out
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The only way Android would have it as a whole is if Google demanded all manufacturers ensured the MHL hardware specification be built within their devices and that simply is not going to happen.
MHL is not a prerequisite of Android it's an added extra that runs totally independent. Yes the iDevice has it which makes it sound like Android is lacking but the iDevice is just one manufacturer. Just as Samsung is a manufacturer and yes they have MHL built in their devices, so it would be wrong to compare Apple to Google in this shortcoming.
As to pointing you to an MHL adapter, you can find these easily in either ebay or Google. The trouble is though if you intend to use it with the Nexus 7 you will be wasting you money. As I have already said, the Nexus 7 does not have MHL capability so it would not be able to read an MHL adapter.

nexus 7 is miracast certified, and that's rolling out this fall. patience is a virtue... and/or a software update. -Ara
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Sorry to double-post, but while we're on the subject, is it that we lack hardware to get mhl working or we need to program support into the existing setup and we could achieve mhl with a custom ROM. I can mhl off my phone (I think). -Ara
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AraDreamer said:
]Sorry to double-post, but while we're on the subject, is it that we lack hardware to get mhl working or we need to program support into the existing setup and we could achieve mhl with a custom ROM. I can mhl off my phone (I think). -Ara
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Unlike the lack of USB OTG (On-The-go) which is a simple software limitation (as rooting then using Stickmount allows complete access) MHL is different as it is a hardware limitation. Google obviously left this out (as they did with other ports such as MicroSD) to keep the costs down.

Miracast streamer?

Is there a device yet that exists that plugs into the TV that will let you use this? Or is this a tech that's not in use yet until the nexus 4? My 2 Google TVs suck and I'm about to give up hope on the platform...

I just ordered a Netgear NeoTV 300 which is supposed to work with Miracast and WiDi. I can't confirm until I have both it and the phone, but it wasn't too expensive and it seems like a cool gadget.

Is there a dongle you can buy?? Was trying to find it but can't find it

I can't see this technology being put into a USB dongle. If it streams HD video and audio, I think it would require a HDMI connection. With the added need for WiFi connectivity, I don't see how that can all be supported in a dongle unless it's built into the TV already and the dongle is just for WiFi.
I could be mistaken, but I think all the components would need a full router-sized receiver.

springy said:
Is there a dongle you can buy?? Was trying to find it but can't find it
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Look into this thread for dongle/cable link up.
emc523 said:
I just ordered a Netgear NeoTV 300 which is supposed to work with Miracast and WiDi. I can't confirm until I have both it and the phone, but it wasn't too expensive and it seems like a cool gadget.
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NeoTV300 doesn't have WiDi.
I want to use WiDi to stream on my old HDTV with external harddrive to link to HDTV without going through wifi router. Netgear NeoTV Max has usb port on the side. In the specs it shows possible. I'm wondering does it work well with external harddrive to see on HDTV over WiDi?

Oh, sorry, I meant NTV300SL not NTV300. I didn't realize the entry level units had the same model number.

Does anyone know if a PS3 will support it? Or perhaps a Vizio Smart TV? (I have less hope for the latter, but I have a feeling I might be in luck with the PS3.)
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kcls said:
Does anyone know if a PS3 will support it? Or perhaps a Vizio Smart TV? (I have less hope for the latter, but I have a feeling I might be in luck with the PS3.)
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PS3 doesn't have WiDi building. So it won't work for PS3 to TV. You need a device that supported WiDi and a TV that can received it. Both ends have to be WiDi compatible. That depends on if Vizio Smart TV have WiDi build-in. Otherwise you'll have to go with the boxes. I list some from the above post.

http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/architecture-and-technology/intel-wireless-display.html
According to this site, PS3 does have WiDi built in.

apzalo said:
http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/architecture-and-technology/intel-wireless-display.html
According to this site, PS3 does have WiDi built in.
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Intel properly offered for Sony to license WiDi but they didn't put it in their newer slim model. The older slim one doesn't have it too.

Capt.PP said:
Intel properly offered for Sony to license WiDi but they didn't put it in their newer slim model. The older slim one doesn't have it too.
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I have the original thick model.
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intel widi DLNA works on PS3. I've been trying to connect my laptop to the freaking PTV3000 but i've had no luck but my PS3 can see the laptop intel widi DLNA and it actually works with 1080p mkvs over wireless though you can tell the quality of the stream is less than optimal but it's still solid.

biggiestuff said:
intel widi DLNA works on PS3. I've been trying to connect my laptop to the freaking PTV3000 but i've had no luck but my PS3 can see the laptop intel widi DLNA and it actually works with 1080p mkvs over wireless though you can tell the quality of the stream is less than optimal but it's still solid.
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Aw, so that explained why they put WiDi supported PS3 in a way. I was replying to just WiDi build into PS3 direct without going through DLNA which still work but limited on files formats and quality since it's going through home network. I am planning to do this setup. Android now supported alot of video formats accept 10bit (with artifacts).
N4>NeoTV MAX>external harddrive>HDTV (without using wifi/home network)

kcls said:
I have the original thick model.
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So do I.
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Aw, so that explained why they put WiDi supported PS3 in a way. I was replying to just WiDi build into PS3 direct without going through DLNA which still work but limited on files formats and quality since it's going through home network. I am planning to do this setup. Android now supported alot of video formats accept 10bit (with artifacts).
N4>NeoTV MAX>external harddrive>HDTV (without using wifi/home network)
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From what I have read it shows up on the PS3 as a media server and once connected begins screen mirroring until you switch it to an extended desktop. I can't test this right now because I only have macs, but I assume android would only be using the screen mirroring function anyway.

apzalo said:
So do I.
From what I have read it shows up on the PS3 as a media server and once connected begins screen mirroring until you switch it to an extended desktop. I can't test this right now because I only have macs, but I assume android would only be using the screen mirroring function anyway.
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PS3 Media server is DLNA. Look at the picture at far right, apparently macs can do it too.

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PS3 Media server is DLNA. Look at the picture at far right, apparently macs can do it too.
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Media Servers are different from Miracast. I was talking about how the PS3 interprets the Miracast signal. I have a Media Server set up already, but I do not have a Miracast or Intel WiDi source to test on the PS3 since they are incompatible with macs.
I do not care if the phone will directly connect to the PS3 or through my wireless network. My concern is if the video will get from my phone to tv. It seems like I already own all the needed components (besides the N4 coming next week) to make this work.

apzalo said:
Media Servers are different from Miracast. I was talking about how the PS3 interprets the Miracast signal. I have a Media Server set up already, but I do not have a Miracast or Intel WiDi source to test on the PS3 since they are incompatible with macs.
I do not care if the phone will directly connect to the PS3 or through my wireless network. My concern is if the video will get from my phone to tv. It seems like I already own all the needed components (besides the N4 coming next week) to make this work.
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We'll see when you guys report back using N4 stream through WiDI DLNA of PS3 how's the quality holding up. I have PS3 but it's not connecting to a network. So, I won't be doing these tests but to wait for your results.
biggiestuff claimed using Media Server/DLNA of PS3, you lost quality integrity. Though PS3 support Widi DLNA, I doubt the quality would be any better. The best way is to use WiDi of N4 straight to a Neo Max like box that's compatible with WiDi for HDTV, because all it does it mirror the images like with HDMI when connecting to a laptop to a HDTV.

This is one of the reasons I want to get the Nexus 4.
I think I just need something like the Netgear Push2TV PTV3000
http://www.netgear.com/home/products/hometheater/media-players/PTV3000.aspx
so my TV can receive the video and audio via HDMI.
Might need an app as well?

Greefus said:
This is one of the reasons I want to get the Nexus 4.
I think I just need something like the Netgear Push2TV PTV3000
http://www.netgear.com/home/products/hometheater/media-players/PTV3000.aspx
so my TV can receive the video and audio via HDMI.
Might need an app as well?
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I'd hold fire on the Netgear - my understanding is that their current range support the draft standard and aren't reliable as yet. I think I've seen a review by J Raphael that indicates there are issues.
EDIT: can't find the review (I've been reading a lot of them as part of my pre-Nexus buildup), but I did find this warning: http://forums.androidcentral.com/go...l-buying-pre-compliant-miracast-adapters.html

Okay, so NTV300SL supports WiDi.. but does it also support Miracast? The tech is different, and I don't know if its worth investing $60 in PTV300 when NTV300SL has the same capabilties (assuming it supports miracast)

HDMI issues real? (about to buy)

First of all, I've read the prior threads, but my question is contextual, so please bear with me.
I currently have an Acer 500 which I use for web, email, RSS on a daily basis. On trips the HDMI-out is a lifesaver in the evening at the hotel, as anyone with kids will attest to.
In the spirit of Father's Day the Boss has authorized an upgrade, handing the A500 down to my kids for homework use.
I understand there are 2 HDMI issues with the N10:
- Scaling
(fixed in Videos and MXPlayer, and possibly with newly discovered code/app)
- Compatibility
no sound via HDMI
no video with certain TVs
I don't care about scaling, and can live with letterboxed video.
Just how bad are the TV compatibility issues, really? I know HDCP can wreak havoc between devices, but both the Acer and SGIII have worked well with every TV I've tried them with; I have decent cables/adapters. Is the problem a connector issue, or is there an inherent issue with the N10 HDMI pathway hardware? If' it's just the plug, I can return it until I get one that works. If it's the intrinsic hardware, this would be a show stopper for me.
Again, I know the prior threads on this issue, but I'm trying to gauge if this is an unfixable issue for most people.
TIA.

From what I've heard and seen, compatibility with older Panasonic-based TV's (VIERA for example) might be somewhat bad. The VIERA TV I have has working video, but no audio. Some no-name HDMI TV my friend has (can't think of the actual name) works fine for both video and audio.
Not sure if there's any general rule or anything that determines compatibility though, or how other devices handle TV's...

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- Compatibility
no sound via HDMI
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HDMI with video and audio work perfectly fine to most things, the problem is not that HDMI simply doesnt work but rather that certain companies do not conform to all standards properly and this causes compatibility issues. As Espionage said, Panasonic's are the big one with no audio, and Sony Bravia's also tend to have issues. I use my Nexus 10 to go into my Onkyo receiver which then passes video on to my Panasonic plasma and audio goes to my speakers. It works perfect except for the obvious scaling issue because it is not trying to send a 1080p signal. That is easy enough to live with or you can do the workaround to make it perfect if you really care that much.
The thing that sucks though is just that hotels have all sorts of TV brands, so compatibility will just be hit and miss depending on which models of TV they choose to have.

Most of the time , hdmi doesnt have sound .
Many incompatibility tv s .
I personally have a pan 30gt ... No sound .
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No problems at all using it with my LG TV.
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When you say that the video is fixed in MXPlayer, where did you see/read this? I would be interested to know because I heard it was coming but for me the scaling is not yet fixed.
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First of all, I've read the prior threads, but my question is contextual, so please bear with me.
I currently have an Acer 500 which I use for web, email, RSS on a daily basis. On trips the HDMI-out is a lifesaver in the evening at the hotel, as anyone with kids will attest to.
In the spirit of Father's Day the Boss has authorized an upgrade, handing the A500 down to my kids for homework use.
I understand there are 2 HDMI issues with the N10:
- Scaling
(fixed in Videos and MXPlayer, and possibly with newly discovered code/app)
- Compatibility
no sound via HDMI
no video with certain TVs
I don't care about scaling, and can live with letterboxed video.
Just how bad are the TV compatibility issues, really? I know HDCP can wreak havoc between devices, but both the Acer and SGIII have worked well with every TV I've tried them with; I have decent cables/adapters. Is the problem a connector issue, or is there an inherent issue with the N10 HDMI pathway hardware? If' it's just the plug, I can return it until I get one that works. If it's the intrinsic hardware, this would be a show stopper for me.
Again, I know the prior threads on this issue, but I'm trying to gauge if this is an unfixable issue for most people.
TIA.
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espionage724 said:
From what I've heard and seen, compatibility with older Panasonic-based TV's (VIERA for example) might be somewhat bad. The VIERA TV I have has working video, but no audio. Some no-name HDMI TV my friend has (can't think of the actual name) works fine for both video and audio.
Not sure if there's any general rule or anything that determines compatibility though, or how other devices handle TV's...
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I have a Panasonic and no issues with video or sound using the N10 over HDMI. FWIW.

Bought the '10, loving it. HDMI works fine on both Sammy's at home.

mageus said:
Bought the '10, loving it. HDMI works fine on both Sammy's at home.
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and what is the price ? im looking for something in good price i found some from connection lab and try to find out if its really good

Guys, Can anyone confirm if Nexus 10 needs to charging for the HDMI out to work? My nexus 10 doesn't output via HDMI if its not connected to power.

I get no sound through my Viera too, it's pretty damn annoying actually. Regardless of their HDMI 'compatibility restrictions' or whatever, all other devices work correctly with it including my Galaxy S3 and a whole assortment of cameras, PC's and gaming consoles. Hoping for a fix in 4.3.

connectionlab is good!
So far so good. Couple of days ago I asked you about connectionlab brand, but since I have no responses I thought I'll give a chance and bought ConnectionLAB HDC-10 Premium 10m HDMI CABLE. Is beautiful!
I have to say that I'm really pleased with my new baby. Seriously, you get a good quality for a good price. My friend bought a cheap hdmi cable and sait it broke down into 2 after 15 minutes! But this one from connectionlab seems like a good choice

We need OUYA as Miracast Receiver (someone did it on Nexus 7?!?)

Saw this on Reddit:
http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/1iwnvb/miracast_working_on_nexus_7_devices_link_to_dev/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMlTxTyoaOs
I was only mildly interested until I saw the note that he got it working both for receiving and sending.
If we can integrate this into our OUYAs (and it should be easier to do since Nexus 7 is somewhat similar hardware), then we won't need another box to receive Miracast streams!
I will try and port it, but not sure when I'll get around to it. Posting it here in case some dev wants to take a crack at it sooner!
Also if anyone can verify that this will/will not work, please do! Getting the OUYA to receive screen-mirroring of some sort has been on my wishlist since I first ordered it.
EDIT: Knew there had to be a catch I wasn't thinking of... The Miracast stuff linked is working with Android 4.2, whereas OUYA is 4.1, so that would probably be the main hurdle -either getting OUYA up to 4.2 or backporting Miracast+patches to 4.1. Not sure how difficult either would be.
EDIT2: OUYA's weak wifi would probably also be a problem, would probably work better to rework the streaming to work as long as you're on the same router.
~Troop

What about the Chromecast device? I'm really not understanding the goal here.
Basically sending video from a device, to the Ouya, to pass through to the TV?
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Yes it's all about mirroring the screen output of your phone via ouya to the TV. What's the point? Mostly displaying content without having to transfer it to the ouya.
Oh and chromecast doesn't support miracast.
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nchantmnt said:
Yes it's all about mirroring the screen output of your phone via ouya to the TV. What's the point? Mostly displaying content without having to transfer it to the ouya.
Oh and chromecast doesn't support miracast.
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Chromecast is kinda a letdown imo without full on mirroring.

its all about knocking off the apple tv up in this thread.

player911 said:
What about the Chromecast device? I'm really not understanding the goal here.
Basically sending video from a device, to the Ouya, to pass through to the TV?
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Yeah, I posted all this before I heard about Chromecast.... believe me, I jumped on that boat quickly!
I already got my Netflix promo code and my chromecast should arrive by Wednesday and I have great hopes for it, but yeah, it won't do full-on mirroring. True mirroring isn't really needed in most use cases though, but it is handy in a few.
~Troop

Trooper_Max said:
Yeah, I posted all this before I heard about Chromecast.... believe me, I jumped on that boat quickly!
I already got my Netflix promo code and my chromecast should arrive by Wednesday and I have great hopes for it, but yeah, it won't do full-on mirroring. True mirroring isn't really needed in most use cases though, but it is handy in a few.
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If Chromecast could do full on mirroring we woudn´t even need a Ouya anymore.

At first this didn't make sense to me, ouya as a miracast receiver to stream from your nexus 7 while the ouya is already hooked up to the tv via hdmi?! But when I think about it, this could make the ouya perform double-duty as a small miracast dongle/receiver. I was looking to buy a miracast receiver but if the ouya could do this, then I would probably buy this as my miracast receiver to boot. I guess if you had a video or somethng on your nexus 7 and didn't want to bother sending the file over to your ouya, you could just miracast it.
Personally, I think if the hardware is capable of it, why not? meaning why isn't miracast enabled in all devices by now? Last year they were saying the n7 (and the n10) couldn't do miracast, well this guy proved it can, and the n10 officially has support as of 4.3.
But here's the bad news: I was reading that guys blog who made miracast work for the n7 and the sink mode (acting as a receiver) has been stripped out of android 4.3. Why google did that I don't know.
I commented on it here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=44124359&postcount=7
His site mentioning it is here:
https://github.com/kensuke/How-to-Miracast-on-AOSP/wiki/Android-4.3
I'm still surprised so much time has past and none of the rom devs were trying to implement miracast in their roms for the n7.
I hope the source from 4.2.2 (last source with sink code) can be brought forward to 4.3, but that probably makes this all the harder. But I'd be interested to hear why google removed that functionality.
it's also a neat feature to be able to miracast device to device, for say showing someone how to do something, share a video etc. I guess google never advertised the n4 as capable of being a receiver?

You need to research miracast more. it's a failure, there is a delay which makes trying to play a game useless. unless your playing checkers or watching a movie. Miracast is useless , it's why devs don't bother with it. Chromecast uses a google tv port to do the heavy lifting. get a Bluetooth mouse and keyboard and a Bluetooth controller. link them to your nexus 7 (2013) with hdmi out and you have a ouya on steroids.

kpa2727 said:
You need to research miracast more. it's a failure, there is a delay which makes trying to play a game useless. unless your playing checkers or watching a movie. Miracast is useless , it's why devs don't bother with it. Chromecast uses a google tv port to do the heavy lifting. get a Bluetooth mouse and keyboard and a Bluetooth controller. link them to your nexus 7 (2013) with hdmi out and you have a ouya on steroids.
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Hmm, well this video with the work being done for nexus 7 looks pretty smooth. Yes, a little latency, but for a 3d game that's working pretty good. Especially on a n7 which supposedly couldn't do it.
I read one comment on it being a failure but I couldn't find any comments on any dev here attempting to implement it in their rom. Maybe there are some things to work out, but it's still getting a big push. LG has announced about 70 tv sets with built-in miracast and mircosoft has it in windows 8.1. So I wouldn't give up on it yet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20s567tzTdM&feature=player_detailpage&t=316
If I can get the performance as in the video above, I'll be a happy camper.

No HDMI passthru - Is anyone else rumored to make hardware?

I was really disappointed to learn that this doesn't have HDMI passthru. I was hoping that the whole user experience would be an overlay on the video signal like what they are doing with the new Xbox. Are there any rumors of other manufacturers that will be making hardware for this platform that might be doing HDMI passthru or does Android TV just not support that at this time?

What? DAMNIT!! Was hoping that it would be able to replace my Logitech Revue, which I would then move to the den! UGH!!! Nevermind, may not buy this then, or just get it for the den. This sucks!!

I don't understand why you guys expected hdmi passthrough. There was no mention of it at IO and I think they even came out and said they were not going that route anymore. AndroidTV is about the future which means all streaming, all in one box, one input. Use a HTPC and an XBMC front end to watch live and recorded tv on the nexus players and there is no longer a need for any STB so no need for HDMI passthrough. This is what I do already with my firetvs [emoji106]
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sublimnl said:
I don't understand why you guys expected hdmi passthrough. There was no mention of it at IO and I think they even came out and said they were not going that route anymore. AndroidTV is about the future which means all streaming, all in one box, one input. Use a HTPC and an XBMC front end to watch live and recorded tv on the nexus players and there is no longer a need for any STB so no need for HDMI passthrough. This is what I do already with my firetvs [emoji106]
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Because I was hoping that it would be able to replace my Logitech Revue in the living room....alas, it looks like it will not. I will probably still buy it though, but for the Den, where much TV is not watched.

sublimnl said:
I don't understand why you guys expected hdmi passthrough. There was no mention of it at IO and I think they even came out and said they were not going that route anymore. AndroidTV is about the future which means all streaming, all in one box, one input. Use a HTPC and an XBMC front end to watch live and recorded tv on the nexus players and there is no longer a need for any STB so no need for HDMI passthrough. This is what I do already with my firetvs [emoji106]
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Whether or not that is the future or not remains to be seen. Regardless it is far from being a mainstream viewing approach for the life of this product. The vast majority of consumers will continue to have a cable or satellite service for the forseeable future.

sublimnl said:
I don't understand why you guys expected hdmi passthrough. There was no mention of it at IO and I think they even came out and said they were not going that route anymore. AndroidTV is about the future which means all streaming, all in one box, one input. Use a HTPC and an XBMC front end to watch live and recorded tv on the nexus players and there is no longer a need for any STB so no need for HDMI passthrough. This is what I do already with my firetvs [emoji106]
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did you even watch the keynote?
android TV is about software - not hardware. it has a tv input framework built right in so manufacturers can take advantage of lots of different tv input options, be it integrated dvb, hdmi input, sat>ip etc.
the nexus player is the first of a long line of android tv devices., no, it does not have hdmi in - but that does not mean that other boxes in the future from different manufacturers wont.
they are actively working with STB manufacturers so that one day - you might not even need to use hdmi input and it will all be done over IP.
all this talk of using xbmc as a frontend is a bit stupid when android tv has it built right in. you just need to be patient for more hardware to come on the market.
https://developer.android.com/training/tv/tif/index.html

Have there been any other vendors that have definitely announced products coming or is everything a rumor this point?

blackic3 said:
did you even watch the keynote?
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I did but apparently your memory is better than mine. I stand corrected.
Using xbmc as a front end isn't stupid though as that works today while nothing else I am aware of does. Of course if a better method of getting live tv and DVR functionality on android tv comes along I will be more than willing to switch to whatever is the BEST method for my purposes.
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yes their is
http://www.zte-enterprise.com/blog/zxv10-b800s2/
you can be the first