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what u guys think about the camera on the G1, I think it's pretty good.I had a wing and it's definitely better than that one(not by a blowout but better)but my only problem with it is u can't customize the settings for it like saturation brightness etc... and it takes like 5 seconds to take the picture after u press the button. I also wanted to know if it's better than the iphone camera, I never really messed with the iphone like that so i don't know how the camera is.
the iphone 3g camera i must say is very good and very clear thhe G1 camera is good but you have to be in very well lit areas to get any type of good picture in other wise it will be dark. i personally still use my dash camera because of the auto focus and backlighting
It's slow because the camera button is 2 stage, half way to focus, then all the way to take the picture.
Do you think they will add an app for the camera to fix the lighting, cuz I read from a tmobile rep somewhere that they was gonna release a video recording app for the camera so u can capture video but they took it down and it'll prolly be up soon,tech wise the iphone has a 2.0mp camera and the G1 has a 3.0mp so it should b better.
There is suppose to be an app released through the market on Monday that will do video and flash support. Sounds too good to be true but I really hope it is true.
As far as the camera if you hold the button down half way till you see the green light then take the picture it works really well. As far as adjusting the settings someone just needs to make an app to control it.
megapixels has NOTHING to do with camera quality. I have an old 2 megapixel Canon PowerShot A40 that will run rings around a ton of 5 megapixel crap cameras. You need a good lens and a good sensor, that is it.
The G1 lens is decent for a digital camera and pretty damn good for a camera phone. The downside is that it's a very slow lens and needs a long shutter release to get enough light. That's with any tiny camera though. They either jack up the gain and make the pictures look like crap or they slow down the shutter and if you move or your subject moves, it looks like crap.
I am very impressed that the autofocus can go from about 3" to infinity. I've never had a cameraphone w/ autofocus and it's helpful for taking pictures up close. My Eten X600 couldn't cope with anything less than about 2 feet away.
I am very impressed with the camera hardware. I would like the software to be updated soon though, current software seems incredibly slow and is unable to compensate in low-light situations.
Well if you ask me its disappointing. Camera on dash is ten times better. I know that apps will be made to improve settings options but no zoom, wtf??? I know developers will make an app for it but why on earth was something so basic not included? It seems like they decided to lean on developers a little too much. Seems the developers of this phone threw it together really lazy like and I for one am extremely disappointed. Not in phone itself just the way a lot of stuff works and all the basics missing from g1.
I'm disappointed that a lot of little things were left out like a decent camera app but it seems as though it would be at least another 6 months of work to make everything missing. At least we have stable phones in-hand right now.
Unrelated note: I have only had one phone-related lockup and that's because it couldn't get register on the network on the 10th floor in my downtown office building. Everything else has been 3rd party app related.
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Well if you ask me its disappointing. Camera on dash is ten times better. I know that apps will be made to improve settings options but no zoom, wtf??? I know developers will make an app for it but why on earth was something so basic not included? It seems like they decided to lean on developers a little too much. Seems the developers of this phone threw it together really lazy like and I for one am extremely disappointed. Not in phone itself just the way a lot of stuff works and all the basics missing from g1.
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Here's my take on Android and the thinking behind it. I think Google intentionally made it in it's current state so we have the choice to upgrade it the way we see fit. It's kind of like when a cook creates a lite cooked rom. We add the apps we want on top of it. Remember they're doing what wm does and are making an os that works on many different handsets. So they probably left out some components they felt that not everyone will utilize, at least not at the moment, such as advanced camera features, virtual keyboard, etc. Over time, once they see what the consumer wants, they'll add such components. Like the virtual keyboard they said in Q1 '09. That'll most likely be pushed up since that's a common complaint for the G1, but is not a priority because we have a keyboard. Now let HTC make Touch HD with Android OS and i bet you'll see that keyboard in a week. Just my take on it
I really hope they do release that camera app come monday! That was be awesome, should compliment the G1 camera.
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Here's my take on Android and the thinking behind it. I think Google intentionally made it in it's current state so we have the choice to upgrade it the way we see fit. It's kind of like when a cook creates a lite cooked rom. We add the apps we want on top of it. Remember they're doing what wm does and are making an os that works on many different handsets. So they probably left out some components they felt that not everyone will utilize, at least not at the moment, such as advanced camera features, virtual keyboard, etc. Over time, once they see what the consumer wants, they'll add such components. Like the virtual keyboard they said in Q1 '09. That'll most likely be pushed up since that's a common complaint for the G1, but is not a priority because we have a keyboard. Now let HTC make Touch HD with Android OS and i bet you'll see that keyboard in a week. Just my take on it
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I guess but it sounds like a lame excuse if you ask me. Google screwed up and left off basic things by accident. Then people (fanboys) and (Google) use the excuse of letting developers fix the f*cked up OS. Yeah, added stuff is okay but to have to add the basics is just crappy. They just need to admit there were mistakes made (And it is okay! It's a first generation OS!) and quit using the excuse of it's an open platform os and we'll leave that to the developers. What about your developers, Google? What have they done? They implemeted a few ideas with a linux core and made a very basic os for a mobile device. It's good but it's nothing special. I'm not impressed with anything. Most of the wow factor was borrowed from apple, wm, and htc.
They have done nothing inventive. And how open is this new platform? Not very from what I have seen. Developers are charged $25 (albeit not very much money, but still!) to add something on their marketplace store. This discourages freeware and SDK is pain in the ass. Most non-market apps. won't work because they were written with the older SDK. Everytime Google updates something will the SDK change with it? Who knows but they are off to a very iphone-like start to me at least. Sorry to rant, I actually expected worse problems! So far so good but I expected basics were covered, file explorer, camera settings, and so on. Just wish the BS excuses would go away. but then again, maybe the 3rd party developers can fix it,
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I guess but it sounds like a lame excuse if you ask me. Google screwed up and left off basic things by accident. Then people (fanboys) and (Google) use the excuse of letting developers fix the f*cked up OS. Yeah, added stuff is okay but to have to add the basics is just crappy. They just need to admit there were mistakes made (And it is okay! It's a first generation OS!) and quit using the excuse of it's an open platform os and we'll leave that to the developers. What about your developers, Google? What have they done? They implemeted a few ideas with a linux core and made a very basic os for a mobile device. It's good but it's nothing special. I'm not impressed with anything. Most of the wow factor was borrowed from apple, wm, and htc.
They have done nothing inventive. And how open is this new platform? Not very from what I have seen. Developers are charged $25 (albeit not very much money, but still!) to add something on their marketplace store. This discourages freeware and SDK is pain in the ass. Most non-market apps. won't work because they were written with the older SDK. Everytime Google updates something will the SDK change with it? Who knows but they are off to a very iphone-like start to me at least. Sorry to rant, I actually expected worse problems! So far so good but I expected basics were covered, file explorer, camera settings, and so on. Just wish the BS excuses would go away. but then again, maybe the 3rd party developers can fix it,
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I am sorry but all I see is you whining and crying about something so simple and stupid. I mean do you honestly think they have been sitting on their a$$es this entire time? How long is the new Windows Mobile been in development? Do you think it will release sometime soon? You whine and cry and B!+ch and moan about the phone not being released for several months maybe even a couple years. So they speed it up and give it to us pretty damn fast and now you whine and moan about them not taking the time to add the basics? Last I checked at least you can take pictures. Ohhh boo hoo you can't zoom... you can't zoom on most cell phones... the zoom feature is just digital not like you can't zoom after the photo is taken or crop. Before you start blaming developers you should be happy to just have one in your hands. To cry and moan about not having the features you want in a 1st generation phone is stupid, and you don't deserve one if that is all you are going to do.
BTW... open source is the greatest feature about the phone. It allows anyone and everyone to fully modify the crap out of our phones. the iPhones are now locked... and I am sure that the new windows mobile will be too. Embrace the developers around you... you never know which one is gonna make the next version of android.
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I am sorry but all I see is you whining and crying about something so simple and stupid. I mean do you honestly think they have been sitting on their a$$es this entire time? How long is the new Windows Mobile been in development? Do you think it will release sometime soon? You whine and cry and B!+ch and moan about the phone not being released for several months maybe even a couple years. So they speed it up and give it to us pretty damn fast and now you whine and moan about them not taking the time to add the basics? Last I checked at least you can take pictures. Ohhh boo hoo you can't zoom... you can't zoom on most cell phones... the zoom feature is just digital not like you can't zoom after the photo is taken or crop. Before you start blaming developers you should be happy to just have one in your hands. To cry and moan about not having the features you want in a 1st generation phone is stupid, and you don't deserve one if that is all you are going to do.
BTW... open source is the greatest feature about the phone. It allows anyone and everyone to fully modify the crap out of our phones. the iPhones are now locked... and I am sure that the new windows mobile will be too. Embrace the developers around you... you never know which one is gonna make the next version of android.
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I am sorry but all I see is you whining and crying about something so simple and stupid. I mean do you honestly think they have been sitting on their a$$es this entire time? How long is the new Windows Mobile been in development? Do you think it will release sometime soon? You whine and cry and B!+ch and moan about the phone not being released for several months maybe even a couple years. So they speed it up and give it to us pretty damn fast and now you whine and moan about them not taking the time to add the basics? Last I checked at least you can take pictures. Ohhh boo hoo you can't zoom... you can't zoom on most cell phones... the zoom feature is just digital not like you can't zoom after the photo is taken or crop. Before you start blaming developers you should be happy to just have one in your hands. To cry and moan about not having the features you want in a 1st generation phone is stupid, and you don't deserve one if that is all you are going to do.
BTW... open source is the greatest feature about the phone. It allows anyone and everyone to fully modify the crap out of our phones. the iPhones are now locked... and I am sure that the new windows mobile will be too. Embrace the developers around you... you never know which one is gonna make the next version of android.
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neoobs said:
I am sorry but all I see is you whining and crying about something so simple and stupid. I mean do you honestly think they have been sitting on their a$$es this entire time? How long is the new Windows Mobile been in development? Do you think it will release sometime soon? You whine and cry and B!+ch and moan about the phone not being released for several months maybe even a couple years. So they speed it up and give it to us pretty damn fast and now you whine and moan about them not taking the time to add the basics? Last I checked at least you can take pictures. Ohhh boo hoo you can't zoom... you can't zoom on most cell phones... the zoom feature is just digital not like you can't zoom after the photo is taken or crop. Before you start blaming developers you should be happy to just have one in your hands. To cry and moan about not having the features you want in a 1st generation phone is stupid, and you don't deserve one if that is all you are going to do.
BTW... open source is the greatest feature about the phone. It allows anyone and everyone to fully modify the crap out of our phones. the iPhones are now locked... and I am sure that the new windows mobile will be too. Embrace the developers around you... you never know which one is gonna make the next version of android.
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Humm... a camera that can't zoom never heard of one, except those cheap, desposable 35mm cameras. Did I even mention that? Nope... But that is what you can expect from a non-contributing newbie... And btw, we have been modding WM way before you were here or your precious Android OS. Do you even know what basics are? They are what one SHOULD START WITH. Skipping the basics is just foolish. About development, don't forget about WM6.1. They develop their software until it is ready. Alot more things to deal with than Android. As of right now at least. I didn't cry or moan about any release. I rather they get it right before a release. What are you talking about?Why are you quoting me if you didn't read what I wrote?! This is supposed to be a smartphone not basic p.o.s. cellphone. It SHOULD HAVE ZOOM, video recording, and ambience controls. I'm not saying I don't like my new G1... just a little disappointed in the way Google wants the 3rd party developers to do their OWN developers work for them. But this what we get for trusting a search engine to develop a mobile OS, lol! How dare you say WM is locked down?! How is it locked down? We have a WHOLE FORUM THAT WOULD BEG TO DIFFER FROM YOUR STUPID STATEMENT!Go say that in the development and hacking section! What have they been doing for years now! Apple is locked but not Windows Mobile... This is first non-WM device on this forum! You sir, are mildly retarded... to say the least!
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Humm... a camera that can't zoom never heard of one, except those cheap, desposable 35mm cameras. Did I even mention that? Nope... But that is what you can expect from a non-contributing newbie... And btw, we have been modding WM way before you were here or your precious Android OS. Do you even know what basics are? They are what one SHOULD START WITH. Skipping the basics is just foolish. About development, don't forget about WM6.1. They develop their software until it is ready. Alot more things to deal with than Android. As of right now at least. I didn't cry or moan about any release. I rather they get it right before a release. What are you talking about?Why are you quoting me if you didn't read what I wrote?! This is supposed to be a smartphone not basic p.o.s. cellphone. It SHOULD HAVE ZOOM, video recording, and ambience controls. I'm not saying I don't like my new G1... just a little disappointed in the way Google wants the 3rd party developers to do their OWN developers work for them. But this what we get for trusting a search engine to develop a mobile OS, lol! How dare you say WM is locked down?! How is it locked down? We have a WHOLE FORUM THAT WOULD BEG TO DIFFER FROM YOUR STUPID STATEMENT!Go say that in the development and hacking section! What have they been doing for years now! Apple is locked but not Windows Mobile... This is first non-WM device on this forum! You sir, are mildly retarded... to say the least!
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You sure are full of a lot of WHINE and ***** for an early adopter. Maybe you're just not cut out for this. If you really are going to let this phone turn every post into a slurry of barely legible insults I suggest you take the G1 back to the store while you are still within the 14 day remorse period and buy it again when you start getting jealous of all of us who can sit tight without opening our mouths and making fools of ourselves.
Cooled down yet? Hope so.
Comparing a 6.1 platform to a 1.0 platform is a little deceptive.
All of this over a camera application... Yea the current camera application is basic, I agree. It will be updated of course and that's enough for me... And keep in mind that through most of your argument you really aren't differentiating between digital and optical zoom. I can't think of any more than one or two monstrosities that have optical zoom. All the rest is digital, and what is the problem with cropping your photos when you are done taking them, it's exactly the same as a digital zoom, and you can be a little more careless about how centered you shoot when you take the photo. That's the way I've always taken photos... I do agree though, it needs a better feature set in the camera application.
I'm just pointing out that basic camera functionality is fine.
And I don't believe Google is being irresponsible in leaving something to be desired. What if the experts at Cannon/Kodak etc decide to write competing camera applications? We would all win, the apps would be higher quality and more feature rich than anything Google could EVER whip up. Google has left the door open for them to do it...
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You sure are full of a lot of WHINE and ***** for an early adopter. Maybe you're just not cut out for this. If you really are going to let this phone turn every post into a slurry of barely legible insults I suggest you take the G1 back to the store while you are still within the 14 day remorse period and buy it again when you start getting jealous of all of us who can sit tight without opening our mouths and making fools of ourselves.
Cooled down yet? Hope so.
Comparing a 6.1 platform to a 1.0 platform is a little deceptive.
All of this over a camera application... Yea the current camera application is basic, I agree. It will be updated of course and that's enough for me... And keep in mind that through most of your argument you really aren't differentiating between digital and optical zoom. I can't think of any more than one or two monstrosities that have optical zoom. All the rest is digital, and what is the problem with cropping your photos when you are done taking them, it's exactly the same as a digital zoom, and you can be a little more careless about how centered you shoot when you take the photo. That's the way I've always taken photos... I do agree though, it needs a better feature set in the camera application.
I'm just pointing out that basic camera functionality is fine.
And I don't believe Google is being irresponsible in leaving something to be desired. What if the experts at Cannon/Kodak etc decide to write competing camera applications? We would all win, the apps would be higher quality and more feature rich than anything Google could EVER whip up. Google has left the door open for them to do it...
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Agree with you 150%... Anyway it is a camera, I dont buy a smart phone for a camera... Do you remember when Windows CE came out???? Sucked... and that was the beginning of Windows on smart phones, now compare it to Android 1.0. There is no comparison with this OS...
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Agree with you 150%... Anyway it is a camera, I dont buy a smart phone for a camera... Do you remember when Windows CE came out???? Sucked... and that was the beginning of Windows on smart phones, now compare it to Android 1.0. There is no comparison with this OS...
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So far Android is a hell of a lot better than WM ever was, I can remember rebooting my WM phones several times within the first couple days due to lock ups and low memory issues. So far I have yet to need to reboot the phone for any issues like this. Who cares about the camera, I have never seen a good camera phone, they are just good for taking decent quick photos thats it. Want a good camera buy a real camera.
I personally think they did a great job with Android so far. Just wait, later on people will be asking for a "vanilla" version- which is what we have right now
I also think the camera works as good as any I have ever used on a cell phone. I love the 2 position button, and my real camera doesnt do barcodes either
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So far Android is a hell of a lot better than WM ever was, I can remember rebooting my WM phones several times within the first couple days due to lock ups and low memory issues. So far I have yet to need to reboot the phone for any issues like this. Who cares about the camera, I have never seen a good camera phone, they are just good for taking decent quick photos thats it. Want a good camera buy a real camera.
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The only time I use my phone camera is actually when I forget mine good camera and I am in a baseball game or something like that... BTW you are right about restarting WM because of low memory issues. It used to drive me crazy... Android is by far more stable... Even keeping 6 apps open at one time
agreed that it could use some more features and that they will be coming. That was kinda the promise of Android from day 1: it's open source so anyone can make anything for it. As an aside, I'm guessing that's a no on that flash/camera app since monday is almost over.
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im looking to buy a new phone in about a month and im deciding between the nexus one and the iphone. i currently have a HTC Touch Diamond and i have suffered quite a bit with this phone and im doubting the quality of the products that htc makes. i have read all the reviews and the specs and im still finding it hard to choose so i want to find out from u guys here if it is actually the perfect phone or it comes with glitches, and the occasional freezing.
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im looking to buy a new phone in about a month and im deciding between the nexus one and the iphone. i currently have a HTC Touch Diamond and i have suffered quite a bit with this phone and im doubting the quality of the products that htc makes. i have read all the reviews and the specs and im still finding it hard to choose so i want to find out from u guys here if it is actually the perfect phone or it comes with glitches, and the occasional freezing.
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If you do want a phone with 3G glitches, faulty software and occasional freezes / reboots then be sure to buy the iPhone. Ask my wife about her wonderful iPhone
Seriously though, just about every modern phone has some flaws and requires a restart every now and again ... its progress
iPhone simple and capable with loads of apps and support, sort of a "Tomy - My First Phone"
Android edgy and capable with loads of apps but not as many as iphone (most companies will release to the iPhone first due to the huge base of customers who will buy).
If you are happy having a simple interface with no options of customisation and are happy never being able to do anything your own way or take shortcuts then the iPhone is for you.
If you are happy to do a bit of tinkering and customise your phone then the Android is for you.
Both are amazing phones and look good and are easy to use. Specs wise Nexus one wins hands down.
If you love google and use Gmail, contacts, etc. And if you dont like iTunes and stuff then Nexus One is definetly the way to go.
But if you like all the crazy apps thats out on the iphone seems quite good for that, however Nexus One has got some really good apps aswell! A lot of people say iPhone is still easier to use. But I would say nexus one is just as easy and highly customizable which is cool.
All comes down to personal preference...
iPhone is obviously more stable seeing as OS 4 is going to come out whereas Android is 2.1, iPhone has less bugs and stuff im guessing..But Nexus one should be no trouble as your everyday phone and internet device!
I always fund iPhone really boring, with out jailbreak there isn't much in it.
Lots of apps and what else? I never had able to figur it out . If you coming from windos mobile i think you should get Nexus. You would love it.
I've been using WM since 1997 (PPC).
I've got my Nexus One yeasterday its my first Android device, i like it.
as far i saw iphone is mostly problem free and i want a phone with causes a little problems a possible but i have been with xda for more than 1 year and have gotten into the habit of customising so a phone with a little change in interface would be nice. the quality of the apps u get in the iphone is extremely good, u always get a nice colour full, smooth and simple interface. i personaly dont know about android apps but my experience of windows mobile apps is that they are ****. they come with 1980 style buttons and some times they don't even fit on ur screen cos thy were build with the developers looking at a different phone and the apps are expensive. so you see i don't want to go through that again.
I'm not sure there is anything such as the perfect phone since everyone has some different interpretation of what that is. I just received my Nexus One yesterday and I'm switching from the iphone, although I have extensive experience with winmo, palm and symbian. A few observations:
Build Quality: this is the best built phone I've seen in a long time. It has the exceptionally solid feel of the iphone, but still gives you the removable battery feature and expandable storage. In addition, it just feels great in the hand, nicely rounded with great build materials. Just overall top notch build and feel.
Software: I spent yesterday evening looking at the applications on my iphone and trying to find comparable ones on Android. I was successful for about 90% of what I use. The applications may look a little different, but the functionality is essentially the same and I haven't had any issues so far. There are a couple that I couldn't yet replace like the kindle app, cnn and the NY times, but I expect they'll be there eventually. A few others like ewallet have equivalent products on android such as splashid.
Useability: The iphone is dead simply which is both a strength and a weakness. I've always found it to be a little too easy and the lack of customization was frustrating as well as the lack of multitasking. I've always found the multitasking issue rather humorous since so much of the tech industry used to point this out as a weakness in the palm os and now the iphone has the same weakness years later and it's not an issue for the writers...go figure. The N1 is not quite as simple as the iphone and you'll probably spend a little more time getting used to it and setup the way you want, but you'll end up with a phone that meets your personal needs as opposed to someone else's view of your needs.
Overall I'm finding it to be a top notch phone that I expect will only get better as the OS continues to evolve. Google seems to be on a pretty regular update cycle and it continues to evolve. As the os attracts more users the applications will continue to grow as well.
One final word. I wouldn't equate the winmo htc experience with what you'll have with an android htc device. Winmo definitely contributes to issues with some of the htc phones. This device is in a whole different league.
here is few questions if you guys could answer it would be really helpful
does it freeze or have problems when running multiple apps?
do the apps have nice interface and are thy smooth?
does it lag alot?
and i herd mutitouch is coming to the google phone does anyone know when?
does it freeze or have problems when running multiple apps? - Nope for me its been pretty smooth, no stuttering at all, Apps open very quickly.
do the apps have nice interface and are thy smooth? - yes most do, there are one or two that do not scale well to the larger screen, these will be fixed with updates, just waiting on the devs to resolve.
does it lag alot? - no lag for me what so ever.
and i herd mutitouch is coming to the google phone does anyone know when?
- no one knows, its been demo'd on the European version of the Nexus One. However you can have multitouch browsing using either a custom ROM (soon to be released) or the Dolphin Browser (free download from the market place).
I know exactly what you're going through with your WinMo and HTC. I had multiple problems with the two just barely working at all. Android is so different but so much easier to find things in. I've played with iPhones and yeah they're fun for a bit but I have a friend with one that has had it for a couple months and is already starting to get bored with it. He says he's jealous of my Android and how much more I can do with it. It always looks different each time he looks at it.
I can tell youre trying to compare the Nexus One to your diamond because Ive used that phone and know what youre talking about with the lag and freezing and theres simply no comparison between the N1 and diamond, if you do get it you will be simply amazed.
I own a nexus, g1, iPhone 2g, and a touch pro 2. I can easily say in terms of speed, battery life, and overall enjoyment, the nexus is easily king. The keyboard is on par with the iPhone as far as usibility, which I could never say about the g1's onscreen. You can still sync your iTunes library with the correct software, it's the best mobile web browsing experiance I've had to date.
Simply put, nexus one ftw!
i think il wait to see how the muti touch on the nexus one turns out. thanks for all ur help!!!
bigger screen, higher resolution, brighter, prettier, easier to unlock and root... none of this cat and mouse crap with apple and the dev team...
I'm sure there are other things to compare..
oh yeah!!! the N! has bluetooth stereo stream and the iphone doesnt...
but, apple is gonna announce a new iphone this feb... so... up to you if you want to wait or not.
The N1 has a 1 Ghz proc, vs iPhone's 600 Mhz,
an 800x480 screen vs iphone's 480x320 (There are as many pixels shoved in the short side of the N1's screen as there are on the entire tall side of the iphone's screen, it's been widely cited as the best looking screen right now, with bright whites and colors and blacks like velvet. It can play full 720p HD video in this resolution.),
512 mb RAM vs. the iPhone's 256 mb, though of course you probably don't need it on the iPhone as you can't even run more than one app at a time (clearly, the iPhone is not a computer)
However, the nexus one doesn't have as many apps. The apps it does have are incredible, though, and you can emulate SNES, download torrents, Remote-desktop to your PC from anywhere with 3G/wifi, run a wireless tether without much trouble. Generally, the kind of stuff Apple would never let you get away with. While Apple has some cooler games, their utilities simply don't stack up.
I know EAXCTLY what you're talking about in terms of HTC and WinMo. I just upgraded from the HTC Touch to the Nexus One. There simply is no comparison, Android is an entirely different animal than WinMo.
As for iPhone vs the N1, the N1 beats it by far in terms of raw specs. In terms of OS vs OS the difference is that with the iPhone you're forced to play in Apple's little sandbox. Highly regulated app store, no "real" customization to speak of. This has the benefit of being an extremely stable and polished OS but if you're used to making things "your own" like I am, it's just not fun.
This is the first Android phone I've had, been using it for almost a week now and I will never look back. I LOVE it. Some of the apps aren't quite as good as they are on the iPhone in no small part due to the nature of Android itself. Developers have to worry about supporting multiple phone specifications and networks. It's very comparable to the Mac vs PC argument. PCs require a bit more maintenance and attention while giving you TONS of options while Macs give you stability and TONS of polish with a bit more limited options.
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You mentioned multi-touch, the phone fully supports it at the hardware level. The only "problem" is that it's not supported natively in Google's own apps (everyone assumes this has to do with some legal concern of Google's). Developers can use the API in their apps to fully take advantage of this support and many already do. I use the Dolphin Browser over the one that comes pre-loaded and the multi-touch in it is FANTASTIC. Best part is that unlike the iPhone it auto re-scales things for you to keep them readable.
I hoping to get multi touch as soon as N1 Euro out via custom roms.
Nexus could be superior all around if our apps would mature a bit more. Yes we're growing in apps, but they lack polish. You can look at many of our apps and go "Yeah thats clearly made by an engineer". They work great, but one reason the IPhone sells is because it is pure sexy in just about all forms.
The iPhone and the Nexus One are two different beasts, multi touch is something you dont use that often as you think when you are on the iPhone. When I had the iPhone(1st gen) multi touch was on, the kb, the browser, the photo viewer, and later on gimmicky apps that just came out.
I think of the iPhone more like a PS3 whereas android phones are more like a computer
iphone or android?
its how tech savy you are, ad how much you want to learn ot use something.
the iphone is simple. you hit a button, it responds instantely and it does exactly what it said it was going to do.
andriod is more advanced. alot more ways to customize it but it comes with a learning curve. this curve isnt as bad as the winmo one but it does exsist.
so it comes down to power vs simplicity. id go for power
OK before anyone starts to flame this thread, these are IMO things in Android that could be upgraded to make the average consumer prefer it to the iPhone.
Now I own an EVO and am fully rooted and running a custom ROM and know a lot of people on here are too, I and I assume everyone one else on here already thinks android is better than IOS.
The point of this thread is to point out improvements in the Android OS that will make the average consumer-meaning someone who doesn't know what an .apk is or has heard of XDA developers, or who thinks a task killer is good for your phone. Keep in mind this is a majority of android users. However I will say that android most likely has the largest amount of developers out of any other mobile OS that tweaks/customizes their phone as well.
Now I owned an iPhone 3GS when it first came out, however returned it because of monthly costs with AT&T. I was on a family plan with Sprint and at the time their were no Android phones at all, the only decent touch screen phone was the palm pre.
I really liked the iPhone because of its user friendliness, and the apps.
I have owned the Hero, Moment, and Now the EVO. My cousin needed help JB his iPhone and I am pretty good with that stuff so i did it for him. he has the 3GS, He was gone most of the day and I really got a chance to look at the iPhone and play around with it.
Well Here it goes..
Core apps/interface improvement
Now I know android is supposed to be open and how the user wants it. Their are widgets, apps, live wallpapers, a lot of cool stuff. However scrolling between screens could be a bit smoother, I think we can all say the iPhone may be dull but the physics engine when it comes to scrolling through lists or screens is pretty damn good. I believe that on android would make it a much better user experience.
Another thing is getting rid of all the blackness. The settings menu, text messaging (before eclair) are all black and very dull looking. brighter, more crisp colors makes the phone look alot nicer.
Lastly a battery indicator when charging the Phone. this is one of the things I liked about the iPhone when it was charging, you get a nice clean battery icon to show how much is charged.
keyboard
Now, this kind of still goes along with that boring black look. The Onscreen KB has certainly gotten better with auto correction and learning the way you type, but it doesn't look like something such an advanced phone would release. I know their is the HTC KB, and Droid X KB, but most people don't know about that stuff. I believe a KB that had brighter colors would make it easier to type. One thing IMO the iPhone does better than android is the On screen KB.
Media sync
Now most people on here hate iTunes, but alot of people like having all of their music, videos, and photos in one place. But I believe with clever advertisement and a good optional media application for your PC alot more people will want an android phone. Lets be fair the EVO's screen is huge, but HTC Or Android did not give users a place to download videos in High quality. I think a nice application for your PC that helps users put stuff on their phone would help people who want music on their phone. I know alot of people with iPhones and 99% have it filled up with all their music. I know a few Android users, and I am the only one who actually puts music on their, the rest still use an iPod.
Now before I get flamed for this. I LIKE ANDROID AND PREFER IT TO IOS. however I believe these are fair things that would make Android better. Yes, for developing and flashing ROMS and tweaking their device Android without question is the best IMO. However the OS still needs a little work to satisfy people who just want a functional but "cool" phone.
Agree?
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The are a lot of improvements that could and should be made...
None of them I want marketed to the iPhone "lowest common denominator" crowd. When my brother first switched, he complained about every extra menu he had to go in. When I showed him that that extra menu meant endless customizations he said "cool".
We did that enough times that he now says he won't go back.
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Now I know android is supposed to be open and how the user wants it. Their are widgets, apps, live wallpapers, a lot of cool stuff. However scrolling between screens could be a bit smoother, I think we can all say the iPhone may be dull but the physics engine when it comes to scrolling through lists or screens is pretty damn good. I believe that on android would make it a much better user experience.
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My Evo with custom kernel is very smooth, but I have seen some android phones that are a little laggy. What causes it? Multitasking to many programs? Maybe to many running widgets? I will take the ability to do both of those things over "smoothness"
Another thing is getting rid of all the blackness. The settings menu, text messaging (before eclair) are all black and very dull looking. brighter, more crisp colors makes the phone look alot nicer.
Lastly a battery indicator when charging the Phone. this is one of the things I liked about the iPhone when it was charging, you get a nice clean battery icon to show how much is charged.
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I like the blackness, if you don't change it... You don't buy android phones to have the color dictated by the manufacturer, you pick, change and choose
Now, this kind of still goes along with that boring black look. The Onscreen KB has certainly gotten better with auto correction and learning the way you type, but it doesn't look like something such an advanced phone would release. I know their is the HTC KB, and Droid X KB, but most people don't know about that stuff. I believe a KB that had brighter colors would make it easier to type. One thing IMO the iPhone does better than android is the On screen KB.
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Again, choice. DroidX, Stock, Better keyboard, Swype, etc etc etc. Try them all find one that works for you. Or use speech to text, you get the picture. If you buy a 200 dollar smart phone and you can't figure out that there are a **** ton of keyboards in the marketplace the enjoy your iPhone.
Now most people on here hate iTunes, but alot of people like having all of their music, videos, and photos in one place. But I believe with clever advertisement and a good optional media application for your PC alot more people will want an android phone. Lets be fair the EVO's screen is huge, but HTC Or Android did not give users a place to download videos in High quality. I think a nice application for your PC that helps users put stuff on their phone would help people who want music on their phone. I know alot of people with iPhones and 99% have it filled up with all their music. I know a few Android users, and I am the only one who actually puts music on their, the rest still use an iPod.
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It allows you to find your own music and movies without needing itunes. What is easier than drag and drop? Why do I need a clunky interface for what essentially is an easy process?
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try doubletwist if you want a syncing app. i don't really want or need it, but it works really well for some others.
the android app was free on the market a few days ago, but for a limited time only is what they said. grab it while it is
Man you are missing the point of the whole post.
I know android allows users on here to customize it to their liking, but I meant for the average consumer who doesn't know what ROMS or rooting is, android could use a little bit of touch ups.
I prefer not having to use a program to manage music, but be honest out of all the people you know with android phones or iPhones which group has more users with music on their phone? I would say the iPhone.
Like I said in the post I know alot of people on here don't like having to use a program to control their music but for their average consumer it makes it easier and more people will like it and buy it.
The KB, again the AVERAGE CONSUMER doesn't know that they have more options. IMO the average user would prefer the iPhone KB because of the brighter colors than the black one on stock android. I Know their are many many different ones to customize and pick from, but most people don't know about those.
I am not saying that the iPhone's OS is superior, but it is popular because it is user friendly and looks nice.
Android works well and lets you customize and with that added smoothness or brighter colors to the OS I would say it would make the average consumer want one over the iPhone.
By physics you mean "easing"
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re sync
Ever tried dropbox... free 2gig.... anything I put in my CPU dropbox folder updates to my phone... ANY F~ing thing
The Evo will never trump the iPhone. Not as long as it's running the second best OS on the market.
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The Evo will never trump the iPhone. Not as long as it's running the second best OS on the market.
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If you think it's second best then why did you buy one?
Because I got sick of waiting for the white iPhone to come out.
They don't have an iPhone in a color you want so you get a phone you don't really want? Seriously? Thanks for confirming all the things people saying about iPhone users being incredibly stupid
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They don't have an iPhone in a color you want so you get a phone you don't really want? Seriously? Thanks for confirming all the things people saying about iPhone users being incredibly stupid
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Thanks for confirming that all Evo owners are incredibly shallow. See what I did there? Over generalizing ftl. To each his own. I swapped to an iPhone after a month, not because I hated my Evo, but because Sprint was bad in my area. If you read iPhone boards, they don't whine and complain about the Evo. I don't know why everyone on this board has a complex about the iPhone.
I can agree with the guy above me, its a phone!
Yes this is an Android forum, but the second an iPhone is mentioned everyone starts talking trash about it, its a phone for god sake.
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I don't know why everyone on this board has a complex about the iPhone.
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everyone ???
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Thanks for confirming that all Evo owners are incredibly shallow. See what I did there? Over generalizing ftl. To each his own. I swapped to an iPhone after a month, not because I hated my Evo, but because Sprint was bad in my area. If you read iPhone boards, they don't whine and complain about the Evo. I don't know why everyone on this board has a complex about the iPhone.
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1.) Your call-out makes no sense. The poster was being sarcastic at the other for making a blatantly shallow remark as to why he got the Evo (because there was not a white Iphone available? What the ****? Really?), and you, in turn, called him shallow... that makes absolutely no sense.
2.) As for the rest of your post, I agree... it's more than just fancy specs that make a phone one to buy... in your case, simply HAVING SERVICE was the deal breaker, and rightfully so, lol. I'm the opposite, and AT&T users get absolutely NO service in my apartment buildings, so even if I thought the Iphone was amazing, it'd be a no-go for me.
3.) It doesn't matter what the people post at the Iphone boards. This isn't the Iphone board. Most people here don't visit Iphone boards because **gasp** they don't own an Iphone. With that, you tossing out how "they act" comes off pretty "holier than thou" and has a weird "stealth trolling" vibe to it, because it's irrelevant. At least when you hear most comparisons here, it's about specs and features... you're just grouping the users into categories based on a generalization of how you THINK they think/act, and calling one group better than another. Get that **** out of here.
Anyways, on topic:
It'd be nice if there were more out of the box features that really let android shine over the competition. I completely agree on this. Showing my friends all of the theming, power saving, and doodads is definitely downplayed when they ask about simple features like MMS and I my phone is taking 300 kb files and downgrading them to 17 kb.
I agree with the OP that it would help if the stock OS came dressed up more, just not to the point where you have features you can't change or that the OS becomes bloated. Maybe something like an OS wizard so you can choose how the GUI is set up and it downloads them as needed. With all the different ways to customize it you have to spend a lot of time researching, and you will still always find cool stuff you've missed before.
Also people forget that the iPhone is basically the Gold standard for smart phones right now, wether or not it really is a superior phone. Most everyone knows somebody who has one so it's just something easy to compare too.
I have a Galaxy S from Bell. It was great for a while, but now its degraded into something barely above a brick. The lag is so bad that I can't answer phone calls sometimes because the screen is unresponsive.
I've had a few smart phones so far, original iPhone, iPhone 3G, Nexus One and now the Galaxy S. I really want to get away from the Galaxy S because of the combination of quality (ie. the complete lack of it) and the ridiculous timelines Samsung, and then carriers take to upgrade a handset to the latest version of android, if at all. But when I look at the options out there, they all suck.
The iPhone is decent, if you don't mind living in a walled garden. But I'd like a few more options than Apple is willing to provide such as removable battery, drag and drop files, something akin to native support of flac and divx/xvid. I really don't feel like playing my mp3s with one player and then flac with another. I also don't feel like converting movies to mp4, a standard which clearly sucks by virtue of the fact that no one would use it if apple didn't force them to.
With Android I have to deal with constantly waiting for the latest OS, usually 6 months or longer after Google has released it, and then it's been shat all over by the manufacturer and/or carrier. So that leaves pure Google phones, of which there's the Nexus One and the Nexus S.
I had the Nexus One, good phone, except for the screen. Constantly looking for shade so I can see the screen in the sun is a pain. The Nexus S fixes that, but no microSD slot? Are you f-ing kidding me? You couldn't put that in there? It's available on pretty much EVERY other smart phone that isn't the iPhone. And no 32GB option. Basically, it's a Nexus One with a curved screen (that may or may not introduce display issues according to Engadget). I mean, NFC? You give me NFC, but no microSD? I think running into a 16GB space barrier is going to happen way more often than me trying to share contact info with someone through NFC.
Can someone please make a phone that supports common media formats (mp3/flac/xvid/divx, etc), decent processor (dragons, birds, dogs, I don't care), a screen I can see in sunlight and either 32GB non expandable or better yet a microSD slot. Stick a camera on there if you feel like it. I don't even care if there's a front facing camera, because no one is walking around making video calls.
Smartphones suck.
What about installibg jpu?
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The lag shouldn't be that bad, I used the phone for a while with no lagfix and it wasn't that bad.
Do a factory reset, and maybe even install the JPU firmware if you're willing. The lag is no longer a problem with JPU.
Maybe the upcoming LG Optimus 2X will finally give us a smartphone to beat all smartphones. Hard to imagine LG being much better than Samsung though.
wipe phone,
install JK4,
flash hardcore k10,
Done.
Stop being such a *****
guys is it a lag when ever after i install app from market and back to my home screen all the apps n widgets on the homescreen lost for a while and i need to wait a minute before all the apps and widgets on my homescreen to appear and running smooth????
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guys is it a lag when ever after i install app from market and back to my home screen all the apps n widgets on the homescreen lost for a while and i need to wait a minute before all the apps and widgets on my homescreen to appear and running smooth????
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rough english, but I think I understand.
Are you running 2.2? And what build?
I agree with the Nexus S having no micro SD slot comment you made. wtf WERE they thinking?
Seriously???
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I have a Galaxy S from Bell. It was great for a while, but now its degraded into something barely above a brick. The lag is so bad that I can't answer phone calls sometimes because the screen is unresponsive.
I've had a few smart phones so far, original iPhone, iPhone 3G, Nexus One and now the Galaxy S. I really want to get away from the Galaxy S because of the combination of quality (ie. the complete lack of it) and the ridiculous timelines Samsung, and then carriers take to upgrade a handset to the latest version of android, if at all. But when I look at the options out there, they all suck.
The iPhone is decent, if you don't mind living in a walled garden. But I'd like a few more options than Apple is willing to provide such as removable battery, drag and drop files, something akin to native support of flac and divx/xvid. I really don't feel like playing my mp3s with one player and then flac with another. I also don't feel like converting movies to mp4, a standard which clearly sucks by virtue of the fact that no one would use it if apple didn't force them to.
With Android I have to deal with constantly waiting for the latest OS, usually 6 months or longer after Google has released it, and then it's been shat all over by the manufacturer and/or carrier. So that leaves pure Google phones, of which there's the Nexus One and the Nexus S.
I had the Nexus One, good phone, except for the screen. Constantly looking for shade so I can see the screen in the sun is a pain. The Nexus S fixes that, but no microSD slot? Are you f-ing kidding me? You couldn't put that in there? It's available on pretty much EVERY other smart phone that isn't the iPhone. And no 32GB option. Basically, it's a Nexus One with a curved screen (that may or may not introduce display issues according to Engadget). I mean, NFC? You give me NFC, but no microSD? I think running into a 16GB space barrier is going to happen way more often than me trying to share contact info with someone through NFC.
Can someone please make a phone that supports common media formats (mp3/flac/xvid/divx, etc), decent processor (dragons, birds, dogs, I don't care), a screen I can see in sunlight and either 32GB non expandable or better yet a microSD slot. Stick a camera on there if you feel like it. I don't even care if there's a front facing camera, because no one is walking around making video calls.
Smartphones suck.
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Guess its time for you to change your phone and move on to a less smarter phone.
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Guess its time for you to change your phone and move on to a less smarter phone.
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Nice said, thants what i fought then I looked at this thread
+1
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rough english, but I think I understand.
Are you running 2.2? And what build?
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sory English is not my 1st language and rarely spoken...heeeee
I am running Froyo 2.2 JPO not lag fix....is it has something to do with it?
yes flash jpu and never look back, no lagfix needed.
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Docs JPU Rom, voodoo lagfix. Nuff said.
If you are *****ing about it so much and can't sort the issues you should go back to an iphone so Steve can tell you how you should use your phone.
It's not about my technical ability to apply a rom or a lagfix. It's a.) I shouldn't have to, I'm not trying to do something with the phone that the manufacturer didn't intend, and therefore I shouldn't have to apply these things; b.) The only reason I haven't done those things is because I've read on these forums that a lot of people have had the internal sd card fail after flashing, and don't feel like leaving my phone with Bell for 6 weeks for repair. Although at this point, the phone's performance is so abysmal the scale is tipping.
And Bynar, why the implication that I'm some apple fan boy, did I not say that I also didn't like the iPhone? I like how I'm somehow not worthy of a galaxy s if I don't relish the idea of flashing roms and lagfixes just to answer the phone when it rings.
+1 for this smart phone rant. I loved to read it. Some valid points
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Never had that kind of issue with my phone, im lucky to get a non laggy phone!
If you just use your phone for call why not just get a cheap throw around phone for that function?
I've been using SGS from bell since october with original JH2, no lagfix and haven't got massive lag so many are talking about.
Using JK4 since 2 weeks and it's even more fluid. No lagfix what so ever...battery holds up couple of days, no FC, no lags (installing apps is realy fast compared to JH2), I reboot the thing now and then and that's it.
Only thing I did, when I got the device, I had to hard reset the thing then worked great. Same thing when I got JK4, Hard reset before and after.
On the other hand, I use the thing as it is: a pretty descent sum of many technologies. Great gaming, but not as a standalone gaming platform; great camera but not as a high end standalone camera; good GPS but not as good as hi end standalone GPS; it's pretty fast but not as much as a standalone computer; great browsing but not as much as on a computer...
Catch my drift? If you want something that can do everything and still hold on your hand, smartphone are great. But as a cost... If you want blasing fast like on a Core i7 laptop, get a core i7 laptop!
I'm not looking for Core i7 in a smartphone, just enough performance listen to music and watch movies in formats like xvid and flac. The galaxy s can do this with the caveats that with my handset in particular it lags so badly that at times I can't answer the phone and it hiccups during flac playback. Both of these issues I believe are due to problems with the internal sd card.
No it's not, I can do all those things easy with mine.
When I run with the device, I have Mp3 playing over bluetooth stereo player (controls works fine alors), sporty pal, Tracker booster and I can receive call (or make em' when I hit the right button on my earphones)
My advice: Hard reset+clear all thoses caches in recovery mode then reinstall everything one by one.
Legion6789
Agree with most of your points, rather I believe these phones sound better if called 'Tech' phones.The major letdowns for me is the software within than the hardware.
How 'smart' are they when they don't do the basic intended function Out of the box reliably ...24X7X365....without rooting/lagfixing/modding..(wow lost track of these........ ).
Google may market android as 'Open, mk dir android;cd android....' and so on but how many consumers would want to do that and how many hardware OEM's would allow them to.
Android for me, is way below the hype and hoped and has to evolve beyond the 'Google' syndrome. Has a long way to go.
Having seen all the so called 'smart' OS out there, the iOS, RIM, Maemo 5, Android, Symbian .... I don't see much light in each of them.
The closest I could sense a potential was maemo 5, but the creator screwed it up with a ugly hardware and dropping it mid way for Meego...Would have to wait and see.
Now as a true 'consume'r...our choices have to be made on compromises that no perfect thing exists and chug along and play our major role in this so called 'Smart phone revolution' as chief financiers ever exploring for the near perfect one.
Apple to me, tried creating the near perfect one but as highlighted by you they only succeeded in locking down users within the walled garden. But to give them credit, the iphone(3gs/4) creates a consistent,reliable experience within the constraints it has. (Have never experienced a 'lag' 'force close' or equivalent in my experience of 1 year)...hmm hate being called a 'fan' boy
So to put it in simple words, did the 'smart' phone make my life simpler...Yes in some aspects but at a very important downside 'Time'(or money)...
- the time taken to root,
- time taken to lagfix,
- time taken to track all the JPO/JP6/JPU...and don't know how many more releases,
- time taken to flash,
- time taken to follow XDA....
Oh all these in already crowded day to day life to make my 'Smart' phone being 'smarter' !
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That's total exageration, and from my experience, far from fact.. I don't recall lag ever impacting my ability to make calls.
The iPhones also have numerous problems. And honestly, the lag isn't THAT bad in my opinion. It's possible to make any phone start swapping, and I can cause lag on my computer too. It would be nice if it was reduced though. It's still a very productive phone though.
When I first got my EVO on launch day a year ago, I fell in love with Android (coming from an iPhone 3GS) and the EVO hardware, but the apps were complete crap; I hoped they'd get better, and to some extent, they have. A very small percentage of the apps do look and work better, but the selection is still really lackluster. The apps still aren't even close to the iOS apps I left over a year ago; they're nothing close in terms of selection or quality when compared.
Troll and flame away! Just kidding. I would actually like to conduct a half-way decent thread about the state of Android apps.
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When I first got my EVO on launch day a year ago, I fell in love with Android (coming from an iPhone 3GS) and the EVO hardware, but the apps were complete crap; I hoped they'd get better, and to some extent, they have. A very small percentage of the apps do look and work better, but the selection is still really lackluster. The apps still aren't even close to the iOS apps I left over a year ago; they're nothing close in terms of selection or quality when compared.
Troll and flame away! Just kidding. I would actually like to conduct a half-way decent thread about the state of Android apps.
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In my opinion all the apps I used are getting "more professional looking" as time moves on. Certainly since Gingerbread's release.
Are they all up to "iPhone app standards"? No. But they're getting there.
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In my opinion all the apps I used are getting "more professional looking" as time moves on. Certainly since Gingerbread's release.
Are they all up to "iPhone app standards"? No. But they're getting there.
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I agree...the 5 I use are getting better, but still a good half away from an iOS app. Still, no real selection of 'good' apps. They kind of remind me of Windows apps compared to OS X apps.
Let's keep in mind that the Android Marketplace is a full year or so younger than Apple's app store.
The platform is younger, in terms of public use, and the style is more open ended.
That is positive for some reasons and negative for others.
I can definitely agree with that. While there are certainly some amazing apps (Tasker, looking at you!) they tend to be few and far between. And the inconsistencies can be more than glaring. Even a killer app may have a horrid UI (Tasker, again, looking at you!). I suppose that so long as the job gets done, I can't really complain much.
But that is one thing I can get behind with iOS; the uniformity. Sure, worthless apps exist, but in terms of the look and feel? For the most part it's very consistent. I know that with Android you have so many people that are able to create and release an app, but that also lends to a bunch of half-ass applications that either barely get the job done or just look down right ugly. Or are just completely useless.
The multitude of choice is both good and bad. Even such things as a goofy application icon gets to me. Sure, I change my icons ... but, dayum. That's not even important, it's that it just adds to the madness at times.
There are definitely some amazing applications out there, and over time you find the ones you really need and appreciate, like a decent calendar. But that still requires some hunting and experimenting, which isn't necessarily bad unless you're trying to find a solid app that simply looks and acts the way you want.
I love the Android platform, but this is one of the things that can add to the frustrations of it. It has gotten better, and will get better. Just like Android as a whole.
I think that will change once ice cream sandwich comes out, all of the honeycomb apps have a very consistent and sexy looking UI
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I think that will change once ice cream sandwich comes out, all of the honeycomb apps have a very consistent and sexy looking UI
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Indeed. I'm really banking on this next shift.
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Let's keep in mind that the Android Marketplace is a full year or so younger than Apple's app store.
The platform is younger, in terms of public use, and the style is more open ended.
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/\This.
Apple has been around for a fair amount of time now. Android Market is younger, and I think had a somewhat slow start, before taking over the smartphone market, like it has today. I would say, all things considered, it's not half bad, and yes it definitely keeps getting better. Two of my fav apps, Pageonce and PhonemyPC, have gotten exponentially better just in the short time I've been using them.
*edit* sorry this got a little longer than I had planned I got going and couldn't stop till I had made my point which as it turns out is kind of big.
I also love the platform we have BUT iPhone apps have been and will likely always be better. Think of it like art. There are plenty of painters in the world, but most are average. They would all like to hang their pictures in a gallery, but really at best .0001% are good enough to warrant this. The Apple Appstore is like a gallery. It takes only the best looking, best working, most efficient apps and rejects the rest. Therefore when you walk in, you are blown away. All you see is the best.
The Android Market is more like a city wall. Sure you could paint a masterpiece on one, but who'd notice with all the graffiti everywhere? Everyone who can use a paintbrush is painting all over everything and it's a damned clusterf**k. Just finding the good paintings is luck at best, and there is almost no incentive to paint a masterpiece there for just that reason.
The best Devs develop for iPhones. They prefer the walled garden because it helps keep their app from getting lost in the shuffle(tho the average devs hate it because it keeps rejecting their poorly coded barely functional apps). Also Devs love that when making an iPhone app, you know exactly what type of OS and Phone it will run on. There's only one iPhone. There's only one iOS. There are thousands of android phones, some with keyboards, some with touch-screens, some with Android 2.3, some with 2.3, some with 2.1, plenty with even older versions, some with one resolution, some with other resolutions, some with 3g some with 4g, some without either even. Some are smart phones some are *dumb* phones. Some are flip phones some are sliders. Some have touchwiz some have Sense. Some have Motoblur. Some have...well you get where I'm going with this.
Historically, if you look at apps for Mac computers, while few in number compared to PC apps, they were usually superior and more user friendly. And more polished. The apple and android phone conflict is not a new war, it's a mobile version of the same war that has raged since the early 80s:
On one side there is Apple, saying that "this is our Hardware and this is our OS. You can use it if you but you can't change it. Can't put it on your hardware. You can't put your own spin on it. Our stuff will "just work" because from a Devs standpoint, all variables are known, and we don't allow them access to anything important enough to make your phone stop working at any rate."
On the other side there is Android(taking the place of windows). They say "Here is our software, we don't make hardware so knock yourselves out. Make phones form $50 to $700 dollars for all we care. Also we don't mind if you change our code and make our OS your own. But beware because there will be billions of possible hardware/software combinations due to this and the truly best Devs will just make apps for Mac because it's easier by far. And those Devs who brave our water will produce apps which are buggy and largely untested on most devices... but we will allow them to do many times more with those apps than the simple, easy to use Mac software."
So in the end it will come down to exactly the same argument as had been used for the PC/MAC war for decades. If all you need to do is basic things(email phone calls texts etc) get an iphone(A Mac). If you want to be able to do more but at the expense of user-friendliness and stability, get a android(PC)."
I like to tinker, I use Android. Would NEVER get my girlfriend an android phone tho if she wanted a smartphone. Like ever. Or my parents. Or my daughter.
When all is said and done, Android will win the war for Quantity. There will be far more Android phones and apps. The cell providers love android. And due to the multiple price points and variable there is one for everybody.
But just like in the PC/Mac wars, the iPhone will still have a place. And it's apps will likely always be a cut above.