At this point, things that don't work are the things I need to work. Nothing has changed for nearly two months now, so I'm just curious.
the impatience and greed around here is unbelievable...
if you want something to be fully working and perfect, you gotta make it yourself. plus rushing things isn't gonna do any good at all. it will come, just be patient... be glad we even have a Sense 4 ROM...
Dude, seriously, it was a question. That's it. Not a complaint, not impatience, and not greed. The assumptions of others on this forum is what is really unbelievable. I knew that some joker would answer back like that.
Saranhai is part of the team that brings a lot of ROM's to this device. He is probably a little frustrated that it seems like is never good enough, or fast enough for people. Your question may have been honest and purely innocent, but with the way things have been around here lately his reaction is somewhat understandable.
Several devs are hard at work on sense 4 kernels and the camera. When they have a usable fix, it will be released. If you want to add to their resolve you could always donate
Don_Perrignon said:
Dude, seriously, it was a question. That's it. Not a complaint, not impatience, and not greed. The assumptions of others on this forum is what is really unbelievable. I knew that some joker would answer back like that.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I'm patiently waiting too. And so you know, I'm posting this in a good mood, not frustrated or being smart. But from what I understand is its basically at a standstill until devs can get the necassary kernel to get the camera working. It's not that they are being slow..they simply don't have what's needed to accomplish it. And I may be entirely wrong..that's just what I have been thinking.
Sent from my HTC Glacier
Don_Perrignon said:
Dude, seriously, it was a question. That's it. Not a complaint, not impatience, and not greed. The assumptions of others on this forum is what is really unbelievable. I knew that some joker would answer back like that.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Well maybe you should've worded it better than instead of sounding like a selfish idiot... Anyway sorry for "assuming"
Sent from my Infernalized Glacier
jjbadd385 said:
I'm patiently waiting too. And so you know, I'm posting this in a good mood, not frustrated or being smart. But from what I understand is its basically at a standstill until devs can get the necassary kernel to get the camera working. It's not that they are being slow..they simply don't have what's needed to accomplish it. And I may be entirely wrong..that's just what I have been thinking.
Sent from my HTC Glacier
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Okay. I understand, not saying anybody is being slow. I just wanted to know what the issue was. It's crazy that Sense seems to be the most troublesome UI.
saranhai said:
Well maybe you should've worded it better than instead of sounding like a selfish idiot... Anyway sorry for "assuming"
Sent from my Infernalized Glacier
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Take it at face value MF. It's my fault that you put your own thoughts into a simple question? Seriously, it's all too common on XDA for people to needlessly attack others on the basis that people are too sensitive.
See the answer that JJ gave? That's all that we needed. I wanted to know the issues the devs were facing? If anything I was concerned, because I've never seen something give this kind of trouble on this phone. We all appreciate the works that devs do. We all act like kids in a candy store for the work that devs do.
Team Inferno member ...Awesome... is releasing a One S port. Yes, One S. Hope that fits your needs (besides camera )
Don_Perrignon said:
At this point, things that don't work are the things I need to work. Nothing has changed for nearly two months now, so I'm just curious.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
if you did any searching youd know it all depends on when HTC releases the 3.0 kernel and we can get some kernel devs to port it to our devices..
did you really need a thread to ask for an ETA on something thats not even meant for our phone? cmon son lol
I too am impatiently waiting for a upgrade
TO A ROM I DIDN'T MAKE FROM PEOPLE I DIDN'T PAY [AND YET i DEMAND MY RIGHTS] "WHAT A SNOB"
trofmoc said:
TO A ROM I DIDN'T MAKE FROM PEOPLE I DIDN'T PAY [AND YET i DEMAND MY RIGHTS] "WHAT A SNOB"
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Couldn't have summed it up better myself
trofmoc said:
TO A ROM I DIDN'T MAKE FROM PEOPLE I DIDN'T PAY [AND YET i DEMAND MY RIGHTS] "WHAT A SNOB"
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You just summed up my thoughts to the OP and this thread...
Sent from my Infernalized Glacier
trofmoc said:
TO A ROM I DIDN'T MAKE FROM PEOPLE I DIDN'T PAY [AND YET i DEMAND MY RIGHTS] "WHAT A SNOB"
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Who the **** is demanding? It was a question wanting to the the issue the devs where facing.
Oooh i think this is gonna come to a close soon. Enough fighting
Sent from my HTC Glacier
I like cereal.
That is all.
People should stop getting butthurt so easily.
I2IEAILiiTY said:
I like cereal.
That is all.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
No way! Me too
Sent from my HTC Glacier
I think it got a little hot outside to the point it heated everything, even in the internet.... xD
The issue is that there's no HTC official kernel source for any "sister" devices - DHD/DS, and they didn't get the HTC ICS update either. Without the kernel source, devs have to use kernel source from other, less compatible devices to compile the kernel, and the binary drivers from those devices don't match the HW. There are no skilled enough and/or willing enough devs to dig in the kernel code and rewrite the API towards the drivers to match the older, working drivers from Gingerbread (that's what was done back in Gingerbread release time), mostly because it's a huge work that brings almost no benefits - the official code is likely to be better anyway, and its release will most likely be closer to this point in time than the shortest time required for "enthusiast" work.
Jack_R1 said:
The issue is that there's no HTC official kernel source for any "sister" devices - DHD/DS, and they didn't get the HTC ICS update either. Without the kernel source, devs have to use kernel source from other, less compatible devices to compile the kernel, and the binary drivers from those devices don't match the HW. There are no skilled enough and/or willing enough devs to dig in the kernel code and rewrite the API towards the drivers to match the older, working drivers from Gingerbread (that's what was done back in Gingerbread release time), mostly because it's a huge work that brings almost no benefits - the official code is likely to be better anyway, and its release will most likely be closer to this point in time than the shortest time required for "enthusiast" work.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I think in layman terms, that means if someone attempted to rewrite source code to match the h/w in the Glacier, by the time they would finish, better & more compatible code would be here anyway. So its best, at this point, to just wait patiently?
Sent from my HTC Glacier
Related
Hello,
I am planing on the Atrix for august when I will be in the US,
And I wonder- do you think the Bootloader will be cracked untill then?
Or Motorola Unlock it/ update to- 2.4?
Thank You,
Daniel
No way to be certain for either of those questions. Check back in August.
Diviance said:
No way to be certain for either of those questions. Check back in August.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I wanted to know as well...
Sigh, August is way to long...
wow it sound really pessimistic.
I am following the DEVS thread and it looks like they found something and soon the will find a way to hack this...
they havent posted in the bootloader thread in a couple of days, so i dont know whats going on. its killing me too.
i cant make heads or tales of what they have done as of yet, but i can say that it looks better for us now that they have a way to recover (the sbf) if they mess something up. a lot of things things they can try now that they may not have wanted to before, for fear of brick
Not really pessimistic, just neutral. We can make guesses but there is no way to be certain the loader will be broken or whether motorola will give up and unsign it. They have stated we will get 2.3 for sure, but 2.4 is a toss up still.
danielel said:
wow it sound really pessimistic.
I am following the DEVS thread and it looks like they found something and soon the will find a way to hack this...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Well thats sucks.
2.3 doesn't bring any important changes, and it does take time to make the update.
waste of time..
well it just means that if the devs here won't get to bootloader hacked the milestone story will be back.
oFUNGUSo said:
they havent posted in the bootloader thread in a couple of days, so i dont know whats going on. its killing me too.
i cant make heads or tales of what they have done as of yet, but i can say that it looks better for us now that they have a way to recover (the sbf) if they mess something up. a lot of things things they can try now that they may not have wanted to before, for fear of brick
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Ya what happened to them, that thread was booming with new posts every day and randomly it just stopped
Sent from my Rooted, chilled, and webtop modded Atrix 4G
Diviance said:
They have stated we will get 2.3 for sure, but 2.4 is a toss up still.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Who cares about 2.3? 2.4 is what everyone's after...
GPU-accelerated UI and Browser
Built-in Gtalk video chat support
Multi-language browser support
And as Matias Duarte implied, all the Honeycomb design changes will be in 2.4
So who cares about 2.3? Not me. If the Atrix isn't released unsigned in Canada, and unless the XDA hacks it, I will be going for the Nexus S, and sticking with the Nexus line for the next few years...
Hard to speak about 2.4, as we don't have much of a clue about it. But loading custom kernels and the like is really making me re-think the decision about buying the Atrix...
Not to be a downer in this thread, but I wouldn't hold your breath for the unlocked bootloader, but it is nice that some fresh minds are going at it.
With that said, the devs for the D2 and DX have been able to set the users up with a good amount of customization.
Sent from my DROID2 using XDA Premium App
oh man I will be in Canada for 4 days...I hoped maybe it would be unlocked there.
well I guess I'll just have to check it later...
thank you every one
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=992326
HAVE YOU SEEN THIS?!
HE GOT A WAY TO PASS THE BOOTLOADER!!!!
HOPE HE WILL PUBLISH A WAY TO PASS IT SOON!!!
Its still being tested but DA G has had some success. No one else has posted anything else. I think the reason the bootloader thread has been quiet is because there in an irc were they can talk easier. We prob wont hear anythkng new until they have made some progress. I'm just glad we have the sbf file. That's a big step. Ill be happy if we can get motoblur removed.
Sent from my MB860 using XDA App
http://phandroid.com/2011/08/15/in-...nt/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Wow.
Sent from my ADR6300 using XDA Premium App
EDIT: Title changed due to apparent confusion between Cyanogen (Developer of CM), and CyanogenMod (ROM he's developed).
Thats pretty cool. Guy did the work and it paid off. Good for him.
Sent from my ADR6300 using XDA App
Crazy it's his side project too. That's pretty awesome!
Sent from my ADR6300 using XDA Premium App
what a day huh? good day for android thats for sure.
vabeachfc3s said:
what a day huh? good day for android thats for sure.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Just good for him, I honestly doubt that you will see much change in any way that Android is distributed.
thelunchboxosu said:
Just good for him, I honestly doubt that you will see much change in any way that Android is distributed.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Hell push for factory rooting. Hopefully
Please lengthen your message to at least 10 characters
.......they've been talking about this for months too.
watt9493 said:
Hell push for factory rooting. Hopefully
Please lengthen your message to at least 10 characters
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
yeah, but factory rooting.....hehe, see HTC's "web unlocker" you can root it, but they will want every single detail about your phone, so they can automaticly void the warrenty.
hopefully samsung won't control the development otherwise devices might not receive updates anymore
So is this good or bad for us? I dont think i would be able to live with out any more updates for my phone running cyanogenmod.
Could a thread title possibly be more misleading??? I'm kinda scratching my head at some of these replies after reading the article. Nobody bought CM! The CM dev was hired on at Samsung!
Well, considering Cyanogen is the developer's nickname and CyanogenMod is the ROM he's developed, what's wrong with the title?
Sent from my ADR6300 using XDA Premium App
If this is true, and Steve continues to work on his "side project" after Samsung forbids him to do so, he could find himself facing an onerous lawsuit from his employer.
It is known as a form of "poison pill". A company hires someone who can or does make a dent into their profits. After a while, they "discover" his work and forbid him to work on it ever again. He continues to work on it and the employer sues, claiming millions in lost revenue. At best, he is out hundreds of thousands before he settles out of court.
From someone who has seen this scenario played out more than once...
Edited title of this thread due to confusion.
Cyanogen = Developer of CyanogenMod
CyanogenMOD = ROM that was developed by Cyanogen
Samsung hires Cyanogen. The CM ROM won't be affected, since it is a side project of his. He is currently employed, and developing his ROM isn't his full time job (although developing constantly, you could make a case for it being a full time job!). CM the ROM won't be affected by this. Updates will continue as always, and Samsung has nothing to do with the CM ROM.
The CM Team was given a Samsung phone a while back and told to "get CM7 running on it", which was pretty cool on Samsung's part. I am sure they are interested in the ROM, since it is great, and updates are frequent to address issues that arise. BUT Samsung does not own the CM ROM, they've merely hired the ROM's creator, Cyanogen.
I think this is a huge leap forward for both samsung and the CM7 community.
Sent from my 2.3.5 Incredible Obsession
the way i see it, win win
Samsung got another dev to work on their android lineup
Cyanogen got a new job because he has a rom for...countless devices (most of which have been EOL'd by now, namely the OG droid and Droid Incredible) on his resume.
this will not effect cm7, at all, he will continue to operate it as a side-project, samsung did this because they want to keep up with Sense and MotorBlur. (touchwiz has room for major improovements too)
RMarkwald said:
Well, considering Cyanogen is the developer's nickname and CyanogenMod is the ROM he's developed, what's wrong with the title?
Sent from my ADR6300 using XDA Premium App
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
That's kinda like saying I bought General Motors because I bought a Chevy Cobalt. "Hires" makes more sense because you hire men and buy slaves. Sorry... It's not just you. I think the title in the article is ridiculous too. You just passed it along, really. THEY should know better, but this is the problem with amateur journalism that lacks any sort of valid editorial process.
I doubt this will mean any kind of merge though, for those wondering. I see lots of confidentiality agreements in this man's future, and possibly having to divorce himself from the CM project to some degree to avoid questions of intellectual property ownership. Just my thought....
Congrats to Steve “Cyanogen” Kondik. I see a lot of good coming from this.
loonatik78 said:
That's kinda like saying I bought General Motors because I bought a Chevy Cobalt. "Hires" makes more sense because you hire men and buy slaves. Sorry... It's not just you. I think the title in the article is ridiculous too. You just passed it along, really. THEY should know better, but this is the problem with amateur journalism that lacks any sort of valid editorial process.
I doubt this will mean any kind of merge though, for those wondering. I see lots of confidentiality agreements in this man's future, and possibly having to divorce himself from the CM project to some degree to avoid questions of intellectual property ownership. Just my thought....
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Wow, you're annoying...all you do is pick apart what people say and argue about your stupid phone...
localceleb said:
Wow, you're annoying...all you do is pick apart what people say and argue about your stupid phone...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Well his sig did warn us, just saying.
http://groups.google.com/group/android-building/browse_thread/thread/4f85d9242667a85f?pli=1
!!!!!
also, check this out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQ_fiepb2Mc
Can't wait to see this on my G2!
I hope someone with enough know how gets a hold of this and brings ics to our phone in a few weeks!
Sent from my HTC Vision using Tapatalk
Can't wait for CM9 !
Sent from my HTC Vision using xda premium
its not really there yet guys, be patient:
The push process:
-push to master, update the master manifest.
-push to the development branch, create the matching manifest.
-push to the release branch, tag it, create the machine manifest.
I'm still in the first phase, which is the longest one.
JBQ
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
when he says: guys you can download now, first the servers will be slow as **** through a funnel, then we get ICS!
give it some time.
also hell will break lose on xda, wondering if we'll crash it hh.
awesome! can't wait
now it'll be easier for siulmagic to update his ROM... and i heard that tsubus will make a ICS ROM too... great!!
———————————————
sent from a phone... 'nuf said
btw... justin bieber sucks
———————————————
How long do you reckon it will take for a stable port to the HTC Desire Z?
I'd say a few weeks for unstable ports, then a month or two for CM9 nightlies and eventually a stable build.
Stargazer418 said:
I'd say a few weeks for unstable ports, then a month or two for CM9 nightlies and eventually a stable build.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thanks
Forgive the stupid question here but does each phone type need its own custom ROM? Ie will we need a Rom customized for the desire z?
Hurray!
Sent from my HTC Vision using XDA Premium App
scoobiesnacks said:
Thanks
Forgive the stupid question here but does each phone type need its own custom ROM? Ie will we need a Rom customized for the desire z?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yes, because the Vision has its own set of drivers that need to be cooked into the ROM for all the hardware to work.
Probably never, why would people waste their time porting it for the G2 when they have newer phones to work with?
TrueYears said:
Probably never, why would people waste their time porting it for the G2 when they have newer phones to work with?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Why would they put 2.3 on the hero and g1. Simple answer. Because they can. Quit being a douche. If you can't be constructive then throw your keyboard/phone/tablet in the trash.
Sent from my NookColor using xda premium
Edit: Also remember that CM7 was on these phones pretty quick. The devs in our community know these phones. Plus the experience of doing it once might just make it a little easier to do it again. I remember from the Eris forums the devs saying it was easier to get 2.3 since they already battled through 2.2.
I'm also willing to bet you will see ICS for the g1 and hero also. Once again, just to say they did it!
TrueYears said:
Probably never, why would people waste their time porting it for the G2 when they have newer phones to work with?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
wow. Pretty sure ICS is going to arrive even on phones that don't qualify.
TrueYears said:
Probably never, why would people waste their time porting it for the G2 when they have newer phones to work with?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yeah....no.
That is why the dev community is so cherished on Android, they keep old phones up to date. If they only worked on new phones, which will see these updates officially anyway, what's the freaking point? The G2 is a phone the devs (including Cyanogen himself) really like. So spend a little bit getting informed next time.
Sent from my T-mobile G2 using Tapatalk
TrueYears said:
Probably never, why would people waste their time porting it for the G2 when they have newer phones to work with?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Why would people troll a forum when they have better things to do?
That's the whole point of these development forums: to provide old, unsupported devices with the latest updates since the manufacturer won't.
Looks like someone has a lot to learn about the Android development community.
TrueYears said:
Probably never, why would people waste their time porting it for the G2 when they have newer phones to work with?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Can you tell me what phone out there with a keyboard is as nice as the Desire Z? I seriously don't know of any. The Captivate Glide looks like it's a contender but it has a grid keyboard, doesn't look like it'll have a notification LED, camera button, or the trackpad.
PROTIP
TrueYears said:
Probably never, why would people waste their time porting it for the G2 when they have newer phones to work with?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Apparently TrueYears has been trolling pretty hard this month, go look at his recent posts.
TrueYears, please leave immediately and never return. You are not contributing anything worthwhile. I'm serious; leave. This is a community where folks help one another learn and GIVE OF THEMSELVES to be a part of this, for ****ing FREE. You literally have no place here. You are completely at odds with the objectives of this community.
I'm just curious, how long did it take after gingerbread source for alpha CM rooms to start appearing?
Sent from my HTC Vision using xda premium
https://groups.google.com/group/android-building/msg/c0e01b4619a1455a?pli=1
http://source.android.com/source/downloading.html
The second one is android.com so yes.
They are both from google's legitimate servers, so I would say it is no gimmick!
Wonder what devs can do with this, next couple of months will be exciting
Wonder what the CyanogenMod devs are going to say/have said about this source
VigiDroid said:
They are both from google's legitimate servers, so I would say it is no gimmick!
Wonder what devs can do with this, next couple of months will be exciting
Wonder what the CyanogenMod devs are going to say/have said about this source
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Lol..... yeh I figured that after following the group for an hour, then all my emails/tweets started popping up saying the same thing!
Literally saw it a few minutes after it was posted and spent the next half hour searching for something to back it up. Fingers crossed cm can come up with something, its about time we had a real new aosp rom.
Sent from my HTC Wildfire using xda premium
VigiDroid said:
Wonder what the CyanogenMod devs are going to say/have said about this source
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
2 months. :/
http://twitter.com/#!/cyanogen/status/136313427248431104
(That's for CM, I don't know if anyone attempts to experiment with the source specifically for the Wildfire till then. I hope arco does)
Ok,now don't jump down my throat I'm just asking about something I don't totally understand lol.......
I'm only semi excited about ICS on wildfire because I don't understand fully so can someone enlighten me.
ICS source has been released and its been quoted many times by many members that this will not run on wildfire due to its processor. If however someone(s) manage this task then,
1.what does ICS bring to us that we don't have already?
2. Will in all honesty this not be a resource/system and battery hungry eater due to it never ideally supposedly to be for wildfire?
I'm at work and don't have the availabilities/time to search these queeries.regards as always slymobi.
sent from my emmaroid infected wilderbeast
slymobi said:
Ok,now don't jump down my throat I'm just asking about something I don't totally understand lol.......
I'm only semi excited about ICS on wildfire because I don't understand fully so can someone enlighten me.
ICS source has been released and its been quoted many times by many members that this will not run on wildfire due to its processor. If however someone(s) manage this task then,
1.what does ICS bring to us that we don't have already?
2. Will in all honesty this not be a resource/system and battery hungry eater due to it never ideally supposedly to be for wildfire?
I'm at work and don't have the availabilities/time to search these queeries.regards as always slymobi.
sent from my emmaroid infected wilderbeast
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
1: http://developer.android.com/sdk/android-4.0-highlights.html#UserFeatures
2: It'll be the devs who will answer that I guess. I honestly have no idea about it.
Thanks 3, i will read up later when home.
home and 1st impressions are YES PLEASE LOL.
sent from my emmaroid infected wilderbeast
Ever since FCM came out, seems like everyone and their mothers making ROMS...
Have you noticed that the quality of ROMS gone down since the FCM release?
Do you find it annoying to seee 4 different CM9 KANG's without the ability to know which one would be best to use ?
Not saying I dont appreciate the FREE ROMS... but, I mean, seems like people are just quickly slappying together a few quick mods on someone elses ROM, renaming it.. then calling it their own.
I dont know, to me, thats not development...
/Rant
ssmr2t said:
Ever since FCM came out, seems like everyone and their mothers making ROMS...
Have you noticed that the quality of ROMS gone down since the FCM release?
Do you find it annoying to seee 4 different CM9 KANG's without the ability to know which one would be best to use ?
Not saying I dont appreciate the FREE ROMS... but, I mean, seems like people are just quickly slappying together a few quick mods on someone elses ROM, renaming it.. then calling it their own.
I dont know, to me, thats not development...
/Rant
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Wow... just wow.
Joker's been nice enough to help port his work on the PHOTON to us Atrix users, so we have something more capable to play with until another version of CM9 comes out and you're complaining?
If you're going to bash other people's work for no reason, the least you could do is keep up as to why things are happening they way they are...
Solution: DONT FLASH IT!
littleemp said:
Wow... just wow.
Joker's been nice enough to help port his work on the PHOTON to us Atrix users, so we have something more capable to play with until another version of CM9 comes out and you're complaining?
If you're going to bash other people's work for no reason, the least you could do is keep up as to why things are happening they way they are...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I think its even worst... Isnt he implying that we shloud blame sammcrip for releasing FCM and starting this influx of ROMS? It just amazes me how ungratefull and lazzy people can be.
Thanks all the devs for all this ROMs! I can use the search feature and filter all the junk from the good stuff. UHAaaaa! Im a smart n00b.
Peace.
Sent from my MB860 using Tapatalk
littleemp said:
Wow... just wow.
Joker's been nice enough to help port his work on the PHOTON to us Atrix users, so we have something more capable to play with until another version of CM9 comes out and you're complaining?
If you're going to bash other people's work for no reason, the least you could do is keep up as to why things are happening they way they are...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I don't think he is bashing anyone. He is just pointing out that once anyone with little skill or talent can put other people's "tweaks" together and produce a rom in a few clicks you forgo quality for quantity
I don't use fcm so your point is invalid, although I do thank sam for making it.
ssmr2t said:
Ever since FCM came out, seems like everyone and their mothers making ROMS...
Have you noticed that the quality of ROMS gone down since the FCM release?
Do you find it annoying to seee 4 different CM9 KANG's without the ability to know which one would be best to use ?
Not saying I dont appreciate the FREE ROMS... but, I mean, seems like people are just quickly slappying together a few quick mods on someone elses ROM, renaming it.. then calling it their own.
I dont know, to me, thats not development...
/Rant
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Sent from my MB855 using XDA App
jokersax11 said:
I don't use fcm so your point is invalid, although I do thank sam for making it.
Sent from my MB855 using XDA App
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I doubt his generalization was directed towards you personally...
Reread the op
endlessevo said:
I doubt his generalization was directed towards you personally...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Sent from my MB855 using XDA App
jokersax11 said:
Reread the op
Sent from my MB855 using XDA App
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I have, show me were he calls you out specifically? Unless you classify your self as everyone and there mothers...
ssmr2t said:
Ever since FCM came out, seems like everyone and their mothers making ROMS...
Have you noticed that the quality of ROMS gone down since the FCM release?
Do you find it annoying to seee 4 different CM9 KANG's without the ability to know which one would be best to use ?
Not saying I dont appreciate the FREE ROMS... but, I mean, seems like people are just quickly slappying together a few quick mods on someone elses ROM, renaming it.. then calling it their own.
I dont know, to me, thats not development...
/Rant
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
The new roms are from cm9 kangs, which fcm has nothing to do with, and rdanner's ports. Which also have nothing to do with fcm. We also have Nottach making a new rom based on 2.3.6, and marko doing the same thing. Once again, neither have any affiliation with fcm... So what's the problem with development kicking off?
Sent from my MB860 using xda premium
Well I thought a development boom was a good thing. If you read descriptions they might say alpha build and if you think some of the newer roms aren't as high quality stick with what you know. I personally like choices and trying new things. Waiting patiently for miui to improve haven't touched cm9 probably wont until camera works. Just consider things and read what works before you flash things.
Sent from my MB860 using XDA App
endlessevo said:
I have, show me were he calls you out specifically? Unless you classify your self as everyone and there mothers...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
In case you don't know, joker is one of the devs compiled/posted a CM9 kang. The OP targeted the CM9 kangs among other ROMs. Look at the dev section.
Look, I apologize if my post came off as I was bashing.. I was not bashing.
Endlessevo get's where I am coming from... FCM is a great thing, I love it!
Basically, He hit the nail on the head.. It's quantity ~ Quality thing...
EXAMPLE: I see some ROMS which warrant framework changes for animation purposes, etc... The same thing can be achieved by using Rom Toolbox pro..... Change the fonts.. add a wallpaper pack, launcher, put another kernel... FCM it, give it some random name, and now you have a new ROM.
I totally agree with Dev's like nootiach (spelling?) who put little hidden boobie traps in their work so people can warrant the credit where it is due.
I guess what I am trying to get at is, I miss groundbreaking work~!!! Like, when CM was ported, or Miui.. This is some groundbreaking stuff.. Now you go to the dev. section, and you have a handful of CM9 kangs
Sorry if Im ranting... but I want to talk to someone about it... Jesus christ, if I talk to my wife about it, she'd be pissed I spend this much thought on this
/rant
ssmr2t said:
Look, I apologize if my post came off as I was bashing.. I was not bashing.
Endlessevo get's where I am coming from... FCM is a great thing, I love it!
Basically, He hit the nail on the head.. It's quantity ~ Quality thing...
EXAMPLE: I see some ROMS which warrant framework changes for animation purposes, etc... The same thing can be achieved by using Rom Toolbox pro..... Change the fonts.. add a wallpaper pack, launcher, put another kernel... FCM it, give it some random name, and now you have a new ROM.
I totally agree with Dev's like nootiach (spelling?) who put little hidden boobie traps in their work so people can warrant the credit where it is due.
I guess what I am trying to get at is, I miss groundbreaking work~!!! Like, when CM was ported, or Miui.. This is some groundbreaking stuff.. Now you go to the dev. section, and you have a handful of CM9 kangs
Sorry if Im ranting... but I want to talk to someone about it... Jesus christ, if I talk to my wife about it, she'd be pissed I spend this much thought on this
/rant
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Because there isn't a whole lot more to do to our phones except optimizing what we have already, and porting over android 4.0. Our dev team isn't done, but the groundbreaking work that you want is.
Sent from my MB860 using xda premium
BTW, I am really stoked for CM9 and the future beyond.. The work that goes into all this is difficult. Maybe deep down inside, It is me just getting bored with the hobby?
Sorry about the post, and I respect all the guys who do, do this.
I don't think you quite understand what kang means.
All unofficial cm roms are kangs, even ones that are in development to become official cm. Like mine. To become official everything major must work without breaking other phones. So if you want official cm9 someone must fix the problems. The little groundbreaking work you are wanting is the kangs. Yes the atrix team laid ground work to get cm9 ported but they stopped working on it. I was given cm9 only a few weeks ago when the photon cm dev moved to a different phone. He didn't even have cm9 up. Only cm7. I'm not making a temporary kang to satisfy ics thirst. I'm making the fixes to go official.
Also if you read up only one cm9 is current and going forward. Guess who's
Btw I don't even have an atrix, I'm blind building
ssmr2t said:
Look, I apologize if my post came off as I was bashing.. I was not bashing.
Endlessevo get's where I am coming from... FCM is a great thing, I love it!
Basically, He hit the nail on the head.. It's quantity ~ Quality thing...
EXAMPLE: I see some ROMS which warrant framework changes for animation purposes, etc... The same thing can be achieved by using Rom Toolbox pro..... Change the fonts.. add a wallpaper pack, launcher, put another kernel... FCM it, give it some random name, and now you have a new ROM.
I totally agree with Dev's like nootiach (spelling?) who put little hidden boobie traps in their work so people can warrant the credit where it is due.
I guess what I am trying to get at is, I miss groundbreaking work~!!! Like, when CM was ported, or Miui.. This is some groundbreaking stuff.. Now you go to the dev. section, and you have a handful of CM9 kangs
Sorry if Im ranting... but I want to talk to someone about it... Jesus christ, if I talk to my wife about it, she'd be pissed I spend this much thought on this
/rant
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Sent from my MB855 using XDA App
Yep, your probably correct
Again, not bashing anyone.
AND... Thats freaking nuts to be blind building. My mind cant work that way
Ah, good old fashioned elitism.
"We dare not allow yon peons to learn reading nor writing, lest they gain initiative!"
Quantity and quality are not mutually exclusive. that's the Apple Mentality, and its a trap.
I find in the [SIMILAR] Linux communities lots of fresh blood means a greater chance for future prodigys and dedicated devs. Give folks a chance, and practice discretion when flashing.
Sent from my MB860 using xda premium
sspa said:
In case you don't know, joker is one of the devs compiled/posted a CM9 kang. The OP targeted the CM9 kangs among other ROMs. Look at the dev section.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I did check to see if that's what he was being so butt hurt about. I figured because it was a second thought to his original rant and the fact joker defended the wrong part of the rant he knew why he was defending himself.
His complaints about the KANG's was not being able to tell the difference between them, not that they were simple tweaks turned into roms.
Long day. Plus complaining about free work equals thread
xhazk said:
Ah, good old fashioned elitism.
"We dare not allow yon peons to learn reading nor writing, lest they gain initiative!"
Quantity and quality are not mutually exclusive. that's the Apple Mentality, and its a trap.
I find in the [SIMILAR] Linux communities lots of fresh blood means a greater chance for future prodigys and dedicated devs. Give folks a chance, and practice discretion when flashing.
Sent from my MB860 using xda premium
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Sent from my MB855 using XDA App