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Wondering if anyone has gotten the leaked Netflix app to connect to the servers to stream yet?
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Search works wonders!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=994863

whewstoosae said:
Search works wonders!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=994863
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Yea unless u don't read the op and notice that he wants a working version which u supplied the version that he is probably talking about that doesnt work.
No version works yet btw
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superchilpil said:
Yea unless u don't read the op and notice that he wants a working version which u supplied the version that he is probably talking about that doesnt work.
No version works yet btw
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Tell me how this thread is necessary when you can post in the thread I referenced? Better to have info in one thread then start another, good try though.
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jprakes said:
Wondering if anyone has gotten the leaked Netflix app to connect to the servers to stream yet?
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The Netflix service itself has not yet been activated for mobile devices due to a DRM issue and that is why the leaked apk can only assess the system. I know that the link as already been provided to my previous thread, but feel free to post any questions there and I'll try to update everyone.
Hope that helps.

redsunrising said:
The Netflix service itself has not yet been activated for mobile devices due to a DRM issue and that is why the leaked apk can only assess the system. I know that the link as already been provided to my previous thread, but feel free to post any questions there and I'll try to update everyone.
Hope that helps.
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Heh, so basically Apple has Netflix by the nuts on this as it works on their devices which happen to be mobile devices.

badogg said:
Heh, so basically Apple has Netflix by the nuts on this as it works on their devices which happen to be mobile devices.
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that's my thought too, I think they have VZW by them now too since they're releasing the thunderbolt at $250....just gotta price it a little higher than the iphone hmmmmmmmmm. yeah this netflix drm thing sounds like a bunch of smoke.

gruss01 said:
that's my thought too, I think they have VZW by them now too since they're releasing the thunderbolt at $250....just gotta price it a little higher than the iphone hmmmmmmmmm. yeah this netflix drm thing sounds like a bunch of smoke.
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This kind of stuff pisses me off. It is one of the main reasons that I will not get an iPhone. I have a 2nd gen ipod touch, but my wife got that as a gift and I haven't picked it up since I got my Dinc. Especially now that I'm running Protekk's CM7 Rom
I just hate when big companies corner consumers to force people to buy their products and not someone else's. Too much of that going on these days, especially in the mobile and PC markets.

badogg said:
This kind of stuff pisses me off. It is one of the main reasons that I will not get an iPhone. I have a 2nd gen ipod touch, but my wife got that as a gift and I haven't picked it up since I got my Dinc. Especially now that I'm running Protekk's CM7 Rom
I just hate when big companies corner consumers to force people to buy their products and not someone else's. Too much of that going on these days, especially in the mobile and PC markets.
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I totally agree with this!

gruss01 said:
that's my thought too, I think they have VZW by them now too since they're releasing the thunderbolt at $250....just gotta price it a little higher than the iphone hmmmmmmmmm. yeah this netflix drm thing sounds like a bunch of smoke.
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Actually the issue at hand has more to do with the production companies who would love any reason to back out of their contracts with Netflix and sue them. Essentially they won't let Netflix release anything if it even has a chance of being pirated and given Android's open source nature they need hardware DRM since they can't bake in the software DRM as in iOS and WP7.
Hope that provided some clarity.

i would think there would be someway hide the fact that you are accessing it with an android phone, make it think you are on a laptop or something using silverlight. i really have no idea how this works, or what it is that tells them you are on a android device, but with all the different types of emulators seems like someone could emulate that.

I would love to blame Apple as it is so much fun, but unfortunately this is a DRM (digital rights management) issue. There is a feeling that Android devices are too open source. (laughable since the pc is the #1 route for violating that with access to torrents and p2p). The windows based phones also have netflix. Netflix itself would love to get their app on Android phones as it can only increase business, but they must get past the issue of DRM. I'm waiting patiently as well.

How ironic is it that there was an ad for Netflix in my view of this thread
Anyways, we will get Netflix. I think the demand is too high for them to ignore.

Google Support Knows Phone Is Rooted (I did not tell them.)

I was dealing with an app issue and app store support point out that my phone was rooted and they do not support that. I do not know if I should be concern that they snooped my phone or not but it does seem like a pretty big privacy issue.
It may be no big deal but I was quite surprised. What is your take on this?

Think Google made android for humanitarian purposes?
Foo they reading you texts and emails and listening in on yo calls!

What the hell? My phone! Stay out! Its my personal info stored not googles!
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Pfft, they feeding you ads from that info too, why you think they all advertising Evo 3d and porn??

yeah I get that. I am not that naive or paranoid.

Bet they just saw superuser app in your market list or saw software version. Dunno really

Was the app a rooted only app?
from my phone duh

CheesyNutz said:
Was the app a rooted only app?
from my phone duh
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Hahaha. That'd be funny. Call up google to see why you're having a problem with the app you stole off 4shared! Lol.

Yea I bet they saw your app list and noticed a root only app you may have on your phone, busted.

kids88yj said:
What the hell? My phone! Stay out! Its my personal info stored not googles!
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knowing your phone is rooted, for support purposes, is not the same as having access to your personal data. at all.
can't expect to have your car fixed without opening the hood, ya know?
and this is the risk we take when rooting, not getting "official" support.

Full e-mail log or it didn't happen.
No offense to OP, but I don't think anyone should take his word until there's proof.

No biggy, the app is RootExplorer. Its just associated with the wrong email account. I figured this out myself and they said that there currently is no way of changing the associated account with a particular purchase...so if you buy it with the wrong account you are out of luck.
He did say they are 'seriously' looking at add the ability to move an app to another account.

I would love to be able to gift an app, i would buy RUA for everybody

lightiv said:
No biggy, the app is RootExplorer. Its just associated with the wrong email account. I figured this out myself and they said that there currently is no way of changing the associated account with a particular purchase...so if you buy it with the wrong account you are out of luck.
He did say they are 'seriously' looking at add the ability to move an app to another account.
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Since the app is Root Explorer, wouldn't that explain how they know your phone is rooted?.. ahahah

NewZJ said:
I would love to be able to gift an app, i would buy RUA for everybody
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that game has sucked so much of my life lately. that and rocket bunnies...
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NewZJ said:
I would love to be able to gift an app, i would buy RUA for everybody
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Don't laugh please, but what is RUA?
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only the best stupid game ever made for android, thats all. ;-)
(robot unicorn attack, by Adult Swim. it's actually kind dumb, but i love it.)

kingdazy said:
only the best stupid game ever made for android, thats all. ;-)
(robot unicorn attack, by Adult Swim. it's actually kind dumb, but i love it.)
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Lol. Alright. Preesh. Ima check it out now.
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It could be as simple as the fact that you have downloaded multiple root only apps. It's kind of a giveaway.
I'm surprised that you're surprised by the fact that Google knows your business. If you take a look at the permissions for the apps that come installed on the Evo stock, you'll find that they all have every permission out there... or almost.
Big brother's always watching. I used to care, now I've just learned to live with it. I know it's strange, but I don't really care if someone sells my browser history for marketing purposes. Meh.
EDIT: I either skipped over the last 50% of posts, or I'm just really slow. I did eat a sandwich while typing...
EDIT 2: Looking at the times, I just skipped over them. Oops.
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kingdazy said:
that game has sucked so much of my life lately. that and rocket bunnies...
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Rocket bunnies is freaking awesome I swear by it! Its like the new angry birds but with cute Buck tooth bunnies lol. RUA has gotten a tad bit boring for me. Im hoping adult swim release way more games on android pretty soon.
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Goggles rooting police

Check this out
www.zdnet.com/blog/mobile-news/foge...olice-are-here-led-by-Google/2573?tag=nl.e539
does this mean Google will be clamping down on rooted phones? opinions please
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gsw5700 said:
Check this out
www.zdnet.com/blog/mobile-news/foge...olice-are-here-led-by-Google/2573?tag=nl.e539
does this mean Google will be clamping down on rooted phones? opinions please
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Google only has so much power. If they want yo offer some of these services they news to cooperate with Netflix, MPAA, etc. I think some of these blogs/people are blowing this out of proportion.
Tapa tapa tapa

The article sounds a bit hysterical to me, going for fearmongering which surprises me coming from Kendrick who I usually agree with. This feels like those Apple commissioned "Android is tracking you too!" articles that came out during the recent iPhone privacy problems.
The fact that both Netflix and Google are doing this only with videos makes very clear what is inspiring it...they are afraid of getting sued by some deep-pocketed movie studio in an RIAA style vendetta because some wizkid found a way around DRM on a rooted device and passed 100 copies of Avatar 5 or something. At the very least that possibility could make the studios deny their content to Android while still suppling it to tight-as-a-drum iPhones and ipads. That would be bad.
This seems like an altogether healthy and intelligent step for Google to take to protect android's future growth. I can't see Andy "Privacy? Where?" Rubin fighting an all out campaign against rooted Android devices...and the carriers won't since they they know rooted phones are a big draw against the iPhone.
This is definetly bloggers just looking for negative android stories to please Cupertino.
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I think it protects copyrights more than anything ATM. Even with music, stealing is stealing. I think its nothing to worry about.
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i dont think anything will happen for rooted users.
its what makes android / google so unique, Free from the closed source community.
if they where to clamp down on rooted users it would put off a lot of users, maybe making them switch to another OS.. google dont want that.
Anyway, its our device so its upto us what we do with it, we know that rooting voids our warranty / improves chances of bricking, but we do it still...
android is for the experienced phone user, if it wasnt hackable, i dont think we would like it so much

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I sure hope not and I pray that this doesn't catch on. With HTC doing their best to make rooting custom ROMs impossible and app vendors deciding they don't want to run on rooted phones at all that might give others ideas ... When all's said and done jailbroken iPhone users might have more freedom than we do.
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The article sounds a bit hysterical to me, going for fearmongering
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Well, is it true or not? Should be easy enough to check for someone in the US.
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tight-as-a-drum iPhones and ipads
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Say what?
azzledazzle said:
we know that rooting voids our warranty
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Just because I've always wanted to know, where does it actually say that?

fallenguru said:
I sure hope not and I pray that this doesn't catch on. With HTC doing their best to make rooting custom ROMs impossible and app vendors deciding they don't want to run on rooted phones at all that might give others ideas ... When all's said and done jailbroken iPhone users might have more freedom than we do.
Well, is it true or not? Should be easy enough to check for someone in the US.
Say what?
Just because I've always wanted to know, where does it actually say that?
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First, I know that it is true, but it is not the first step in an antirooting war that Kendrick tries to present it as. Therefore, it is fearmongering.
Second, since all such downloads go through Apple's proprietary money spinner called iTunes, it is a much more controllable environment than android with the market. Apple has pledged itself from the first iPod to be all about DRM....Google not so much.
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This seems like an altogether healthy and intelligent step for Google to take to protect android's future growth. I can't see Andy "Privacy? Where?" Rubin fighting an all out campaign against rooted Android devices...and the carriers won't since they they know rooted phones are a big draw against the iPhone.
This is definetly bloggers just looking for negative android stories to please Cupertino.
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10(ten) characters

I agree.
It's not really going to do much to the community. Someone will find a way around it if it is infact true.

Tell HTC how happy you are with the locked bootloaders

Hey guys,
here is HTC Facebook page.
Looks like it is starting to pick up with people complaining about the bootloader being locked.
Maybe we can all jump on there and let them know how happy we are that they are doing this, along with what other phones we will be buying now.
Hit thanks!

Couldn't you just have posted this in here?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1094253
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dirkyd3rk said:
Couldn't you just have posted this in here?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1094253
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lol some one is cranky

dirkyd3rk said:
Couldn't you just have posted this in here?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1094253
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He did the right thing.

CheesyNutz said:
lol some one is cranky
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Lol, maybe...... happens when you don't get any in the morning.
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dirkyd3rk said:
Lol, maybe...... happens when you don't get any in the morning.
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lmao well that'd explain why you're usually a ****
OH SNAP

Lmfao.......
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conqu1stador said:
lmao well that'd explain why you're usually a ****
OH SNAP
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:rolls eyes: im not usually a ****, just sometimes ..... *bastard*
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conqu1stador said:
lmao well that'd explain why you're usually a ****
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LOL...
Thanks guys.
Its not like i put it in the Dev section... Jeeze

conqu1stador said:
lmao well that'd explain why you're usually a ****
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Men who live in chocolate factories with bunch of little orange dudes shouldn't point fingers.

tejasrichard said:
Men who live in chocolate factories with bunch of little orange dudes shouldn't point fingers.
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Hahahahahaha im done!
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lmao...wtf is really going on lol

Well. I posted. Think ill post again. This really pisses me off.
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tejasrichard said:
Men who live in chocolate factories with bunch of little orange dudes shouldn't point fingers.
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Damn you, Tejas!
*shameface*
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Off topic: Im also sad because my 1yr old LG 46" LCD went out this morning. Sucker just shut off while I was watching it, doesn't show any sign if life. Glad I bought the bestbuy blk tie they will swap it out. Still pissed though. Grrr
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I just checked the HTC fan page. Only one post on that entire first page is NOT about the locked bootloader. That's just amazing to me. Question is, will HTC listen to what the customer wants?

SilverStone641 said:
I just checked the HTC fan page. Only one post on that entire first page is NOT about the locked bootloader. That's just amazing to me. Question is, will HTC listen to what the customer wants?
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yeah i saw the page too but they won't change it before launch... something made them do this to the 3d. basically i think htc is saying them do not support flashing custom roms.
ill stick to my new nexus s 4g thanks!

Here is what i wrote,
Signed/Encrypted bootloaders... Come on HTC... This really pisses me off. Think about it, really, what are you losing here? Almost nothing. It is the persons choice to root, so you lose no quality control.
But back onto the actually point. Signing/encrypting bootloaders or other functions of a device that a consumer owns was considered a radical idea. It was frowned upon and was thought of as childish. And that is how you guys are acting, childish. You lock down your phones because your scared of what.... progress?
I understand there are some problems for you with rooting. For example, free wireless tethering, ability to use leaked ROMs and other factors. But this is such a small hand off to wage war with developers. Microsoft did it, Sony did it, even Apple did it.... Look were they all are now. The hackers do everything they can to make sure they can hack and DOMINATE the devices they lock down. In Microsoft's and Sony's case, there is a difference in reason, piracy. Now, tell me, if I can already install any app on my phone, what piracy are you protecting users form by not allowing them to do anything custom with their phone?
You have brought the whole world a step backwards, as a lot of people believe in your philosophies, and eventually will standardize them. What this about to start is enormous, there is no problem right now for you because people aren't even trying to hack your gay signature checks. Why? Because those developers DONT BUY THAT PHONE. ------->DONT<---- Buy that phone. Now, once that this standdard is implemented with every single modern phone, you guys will be tormented by the constant stream of hacks and exploits the a full force of developers can bring. You will be stressed to the point as the iPhone jailbreaking scene replicates itself to Android devices.
I mean come on HTC, do you really want to start all of this? I wouldn't. By not locking down your devices, you gain more customers(even though its a small percent that would leave because of your decisions), you gain a better view from people as a good company, and you get the benefit of geeks saying good things about you on their blogs. Yes HTC, thats were all the reviews come from, US. We will spare you no mercy in our reviews if you condemn us to this treatment any longer.
On a final note, i hope to rethink your decisions to sign/encrypt bootloaders and other parts of the phone. The whole point of Android is to be OPEN, not CLOSED. Thats what makes it different. The point is to be open, no matter what COST or FACTORS convince you otherwise. I do not even want to buy the HTC Evo 3D now because of your changes. Now HTC, rethink what you have done, please, and see if you can change it before it gets out of hand. In the end, you are the company that gets to make the decisions, but we are the consumers who buy your products.
Thanks so much for a great ride so far HTC,
You will be missed
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HTC responded back.....
" HTC
Update on Bootloaders Thanks so much for providing feedback, we hear your concerns. Your satisfaction is a top priority for us and we're working hard to ensure you have great experiences with our phones. We're reviewing the issue and our policy around bootloaders and will provide more information soon...."
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So does this mean the Evo 3d can never be rooted? Or does it just make it more difficult ?
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Samsung seems greedy as heck...

So I swing by the webpage just to see what it's like ....I notice they want you to pay for an app that basically just presents you the webpage.. also you can pay to have them unlock your device.... or you can pay to be a premium member on theyre forum. It just seems to me after I spent 500 dollars on a device [tab] and another 300 on the phone , they might be willing to at least throw in a couple of online extras for free....wishfull thinking I guess...
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Jonathanpeyton said:
So I swing by the webpage just to see what it's like ....I notice they want you to pay for an app that basically just presents you the webpage.. also you can pay to have them unlock your device.... or you can pay to be a premium member on theyre forum. It just seems to me after I spent 500 dollars on a device [tab] and another 300 on the phone , they might be willing to at least throw in a couple of online extras for free....wishfull thinking I guess...
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Samsung has a Forum?

Jonathanpeyton said:
So I swing by the webpage just to see what it's like ....I notice they want you to pay for an app that basically just presents you the webpage.. also you can pay to have them unlock your device.... or you can pay to be a premium member on theyre forum. It just seems to me after I spent 500 dollars on a device [tab] and another 300 on the phone , they might be willing to at least throw in a couple of online extras for free....wishfull thinking I guess...
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Um... Samsung doesn't have a forum. You're looking at something third-party.

I tried to find an official Samsung forum after reading this.. There is nothing on the UK Samsung site and Google turns up nothing either, other than XDA, lol!
Are you referring to the Samsung developers forum? As that's the closest I found to an official forum.

I think he has gone to some third part forum or some private samsung forum for developers which requires membership.

Jonathanpeyton said:
So I swing by the webpage just to see what it's like ....I notice they want you to pay for an app that basically just presents you the webpage.. also you can pay to have them unlock your device.... or you can pay to be a premium member on theyre forum. It just seems to me after I spent 500 dollars on a device [tab] and another 300 on the phone , they might be willing to at least throw in a couple of online extras for free....wishfull thinking I guess...
"All I have is my Word and my Ba**s ,and I dont break either for NOBODY"-Tony Montana
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Ffs youve found sammobile.com.
learn how to surf the web.
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LOL

stoney74672374 said:
Ffs youve found sammobile.com.
learn how to surf the web.
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Wow what an intelligent reply...
The site I visited was on a flyer in my devices box.

qnfauf said:
LOL
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Ahh another well thought out response.I suppose youve always known exactly precisley where and what what you were doing at all times.My hat is tipped to you sir....

Jonathanpeyton said:
Wow what an intelligent reply...
The site I visited was on a flyer in my devices box.
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And the site is ..... ?

What does Samsung need with a lousy Forum when they have an AWESOME Facebook page? (Massive snark intended).
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Jonathanpeyton said:
Ahh another well thought out response.I suppose youve always known exactly precisley where and what what you were doing at all times.My hat is tipped to you sir....
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With all due respect, Sir - do you really think that Samsung offers you to unlock your device?
Got to go now, today our local police station sells drugs - and right now its happy hour!

No offense intended, but I would also like to know what this site is too.
Was it Sammobile???
I find it rather strange that you had a flyer from them within your Samsung packaging, that sounds odd. I just about had an instruction manual! Which country did you make your purchase in?

Jonathanpeyton said:
Wow what an intelligent reply...
The site I visited was on a flyer in my devices box.
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This thread's stupid. We're having an esoteric debate with absolutely nothing but OP's disenchantment with something that hasn't even been identified. OP, rather than getting pissed off at people not supporting what you're upset about why don't you scan and post the flyer you received or provide a link to the offensive website? Clearly no one but you has come across whatever you're trying to describe.

BarryH_GEG said:
This thread's stupid. We're having an esoteric debate with absolutely nothing but OP's disenchantment with something that hasn't even been identified. OP, rather than getting pissed off at people not supporting what you're upset about why don't you scan and post the flyer you received or provide a link to the offensive website? Clearly no one but you has come across whatever you're trying to describe.
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I agree :good:
This thread is too funny/pointless how could you not give the link of what on earth your talking about...

BarryH_GEG said:
This thread's stupid. We're having an esoteric debate with absolutely nothing but OP's disenchantment with something that hasn't even been identified. OP, rather than getting pissed off at people not supporting what you're upset about why don't you scan and post the flyer you received or provide a link to the offensive website? Clearly no one but you has come across whatever you're trying to describe.
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Well we have to occupy ourselves with something as we wait for Samsung to release the JB OTA for 8013
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mitchellvii said:
Well we have to occupy ourselves with something as we wait for Samsung to release the JB OTA for 8013
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That's why I'm watching. It's a little like reality TV - you don't really want to watch, but it's too bizarre to avoid. :silly:
FWIW, I respond to or click on every offer in my device's box (still figuring that one out).

icr
toenail_flicker said:
That's why I'm watching. It's a little like reality TV - you don't really want to watch, but it's too bizarre to avoid. :silly:
FWIW, I respond to or click on every offer in my device's box (still figuring that one out).
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I just spent an hour saving my sister's PC from a deadly severe threat virus. That chick will click anything. :silly:
The funny thing was that Microsoft Essentials popped up a warning the virus was trying to take over and she clicked "Ignore" because she thought MS Essentials was the virus. Lol. I mean the warning was scary and red after all.

mitchellvii said:
icr
I just spent an hour saving my sister's PC from a deadly severe threat virus. That chick will click anything. :silly:
The funny thing was that Microsoft Essentials popped up a warning the virus was trying to take over and she clicked "Ignore" because she thought MS Essentials was the virus. Lol. I mean the warning was scary and red after all.
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Hahahahahahahahaha
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