Nexus S uses the same SGX 540/S5PC110 SOC.
http://androidandme.com/2011/03/news/tegra-2-benchmarks-motorola-atrix-4g-vs-lg-optimus-2x/
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the test is not fair.
the fps limited on most devices is 60 fps
the optimus x2 has uncapped fps rate
Not exactly pwn'd but we held our own against the big boys and their fancy dual core's.
I wouldn't expect dual core to help in games at all. Overall phone performance running multiple apps could be a big difference. Not to mention nothing is coded to take advantage of dual core right now either.
I don't think dual core is going to help much right now, and I am in no rush to get one. However, when things start getting optimized for dual core I may become more interested.
Im sorry, where did we beat the Tegra 2 at all? I'm not seeing it.
I would definitely not get the atrix only cause Motorola locks them down to much. I would wait for a dual core till later in the year when some.better ones come out.
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Nexus S uses the same SGX 540/S5PC110 SOC.
http://androidandme.com/2011/03/news/tegra-2-benchmarks-motorola-atrix-4g-vs-lg-optimus-2x/
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Yeah, uh, noobnl, go back and look again man... we didn't pwn Tegra 2 in those tests. The Tegra 2 GeForce GPU has been proven to outperform our SGX540. Not by an insane amount, but consistently by a reasonable margin. The only reason we beat the Atrix in some tests was because it runs at a 540x960 display to our 480x800. The Optimus 2X did better than the Atrix because it's running at 480x800 as well.
I fail to see where we pwned the Tegra 2, or even come close, but it's cool to know that the Epic is still pretty competitive.
Could a CPU test be say zipping a large file and time how long it takes between phones?
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Could a CPU test be say zipping a large file and time how long it takes between phones?
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tegra would probably kill us in that test, but in games and things like that we are about even.
Do you think we'll get locked out of some new games that are "dual core only" even though or phones should handle them?
I'm a bit torn on this issue. I'm very happy our phone held it's own (and it did), and I'm certainly aware that almost no app take advantage of the dual core yet. However as a very heavy multitasker, it'd be nice to get rid of that lag between 'switching' applications (which may or may no need to be reloaded into memory). Although I wonder if the nexus s/epic had 1gb of ram if I'd still feel the same way. I feel like additional RAM (which the atrix has) might be more valuable than the dual core. Just my 2 cents...
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Do you think we'll get locked out of some new games that are "dual core only" even though or phones should handle them?
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If I had to guess, we are absolutely going to get left out of new high end games. There are games out there now that are Tegra2 only, so even other dual cores will not be able to play them. Its looking like the market is going to be fragmented beyond belief by summertime. I hope developers don't continue to develop for specific SoC's, because that would harm the market more than it helps.
just like PCs. we wont see improvement till apps are made for dual core
I swear, Noobnl, you ALWAYS say you're leaving, then surprise everyone by making a new thread. LOL
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If I had to guess, we are absolutely going to get left out of new high end games. There are games out there now that are Tegra2 only, so even other dual cores will not be able to play them. Its looking like the market is going to be fragmented beyond belief by summertime. I hope developers don't continue to develop for specific SoC's, because that would harm the market more than it helps.
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I know it's disappointing, I'm hoping they only give them an exclusive for a little while. And I thought Android was supposed to be heading away from fragmentation . I honestly think they're going to kill Android by making the phone's lifespan extremely short if they keep heading in the direction they're going.
Well things to consider is the FPS cap and whether or not its being dithered as 16bit or 24bit :/..spec wise..we should be on par in the GFX department to the Tegra 2..
I personally dont see much reason to jump to dual cores yet..mostly wit quadcores coming en of the year..sure its an endless cycle..but at least by the more apps would exist that can actually take advantage of those cores...
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Im sorry, where did we beat the Tegra 2 at all? I'm not seeing it.
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You know muyoso... for someone who only comments on other peoples threads you have a lot of balls contradicting n00b who actually did something for the dev community and probably knows more then you.
I'm just saying....
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Somedays I almost wonder if it is a condition that you have to be a **** to own this phone. I certainly hope not, otherwise I need to return mine.
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I just jumped ship from nexus one one to nexus s I love it you will too... its nice people ...
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Should've waited for a dual core-core android by HTC.just saying...
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Yea, it's nice, but where am i gonna dig up $529?
Root it and provide system dumps
I just bought one out right with no contract, and I will see how I like it for the next few days.
First impression is that its def a finger magnet. Overall, the phone is much snappier than my OC N1 running Rod's latest MIUI ROM. Gingerbread has some nice improvements but I am already missing the MIUI slide screen. Someone please port it over ASAP .
The screen, while being the S-AMOLED, isnt a night and day difference from the N1 screen.
More on the phone as I continue to use it.....
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I just bought one out right with no contract, and I will see how I like it for the next few days.
First impression is that its def a finger magnet. Overall, the phone is much snappier than my OC N1 running Rod's latest MIUI ROM. Gingerbread has some nice improvements but I am already missing the MIUI slide screen. Someone please port it over ASAP .
The screen, while being the S-AMOLED, isnt a night and day difference from the N1 screen.
More on the phone as I continue to use it.....
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Would love to know more about the VOIP integration.
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Should've waited for a dual core-core android by HTC.just saying...
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There is always something to wait for. I have never found the single core on my N1 to be lacking, so I highly doubt I will find the significantly faster single core in my Nexus S lacking. If dual cores are a big deal 6 months from now I will sell the Nexus S and trade up.
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Yea, it's nice, but where am i gonna dig up $529?
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Sell your N1, then you will only have to come up with $150-$180.
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I just jumped ship from nexus one one to nexus s I love it you will too... its nice people ...
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So?
This needs to be moved to the Nexus S forum
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I have never found the single core on my N1 to be lacking, so I highly doubt I will find the significantly faster single core in my Nexus S lacking.
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I don't think the Hummingbird is "significantly faster" than Snapdragon. Sammy has better GPU performance, which is what is mostly noticed. Both are clocked at 1GHz. I do believe Hummingbird performs slightly better than Snapdragon (can't recall why I have that belief, though), but when comparing strictly processor performance, it's minimal. The GPU is the big difference.
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So?
This needs to be moved to the Nexus S forum
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Seriously! Take it over there...
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I don't think the Hummingbird is "significantly faster" than Snapdragon. Sammy has better GPU performance, which is what is mostly noticed. Both are clocked at 1GHz. I do believe Hummingbird performs slightly better than Snapdragon (can't recall why I have that belief, though), but when comparing strictly processor performance, it's minimal. The GPU is the big difference.
Seriously! Take it over there...
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@soberguy Well another point to the single core issue is not things that are taking place right now but things that are taking place over the next year. Developers are going to start making high thing that will require dual core for maxium performace. Also.....where are the moderators to move this
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@soberguy Well another point to the single core issue is not things that are taking place right now but things that are taking place over the next year. Developers are going to start making high thing that will require dual core for maxium performace. Also.....where are the moderators to move this
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Oh no trust me, you and I agree. I'm not getting the S with dual core around the corner. I think it's a complete waste of money. The S has some advantages over the 1, but to me, they aren't worthwhile with dual core coming very, very soon.
I just wanted to point out that Hummingbird and Snapdragon are both 1GHz, and I don't think that Hummingbird is significantly faster than Snapdragon. GPU is a different story; we all know that has been HTC's achilles heel for some time now (go back to their WinMo days and the driver fiasco...).
You and I agree, bud. The S isn't worth it, and this thread is in the wrong damn forum.
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I don't think the Hummingbird is "significantly faster" than Snapdragon. Sammy has better GPU performance, which is what is mostly noticed. Both are clocked at 1GHz. I do believe Hummingbird performs slightly better than Snapdragon (can't recall why I have that belief, though), but when comparing strictly processor performance, it's minimal. The GPU is the big difference.
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It is hard to know until you have both GalaxyS/2.2 with NexusS/2.3 running side by side, as they have the same CPU/GPU combination and the only difference is the OS.
It could well be that 2.3 uses the GPU for something what 2.2 was doing with CPU alone. And this could turn out as the biggest difference.
I am sure that N1 GPU as such is plenty fast enough, as it is used by the most of the current WP7 phones. Nobody seems to be complaining about the "jerkiness" of the WP7 interface. It is actually a matter of the time and effort sank into UI and the underlying graphics drivers. As a consequence, it can also happen, that N1 graphics drivers get less optimized as the ones in NS. We will see.
Even if dual core “around the corner” I honestly don’t think we will see optimized software for at least 6 months.... Look at the desktop computing world.. It took nearly a year for dual core to make a difference back when it was intel core solo vs core duo (or amd64 vs X2)... The software just took a lil longer to catch up. Even now, its taking awhile for a quad core to be worth it over a dual core
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Oh no trust me, you and I agree. I'm not getting the S with dual core around the corner. I think it's a complete waste of money. The S has some advantages over the 1, but to me, they aren't worthwhile with dual core coming very, very soon.
I just wanted to point out that Hummingbird and Snapdragon are both 1GHz, and I don't think that Hummingbird is significantly faster than Snapdragon. GPU is a different story; we all know that has been HTC's achilles heel for some time now (go back to their WinMo days and the driver fiasco...).
You and I agree, bud. The S isn't worth it, and this thread is in the wrong damn forum.
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actually the cpu on the snapdragon is faster for computational tasks thanks to its FPU. hummingbird is on par to much slower in terms of computations (its linpack is like 14 lol)
the gpu is what separates the hummingbird from the snapdragon which is why hummingbirds seem better due to its overall performance
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actually the cpu on the snapdragon is faster for computational tasks thanks to its FPU. hummingbird is on par to much slower in terms of computations (its linpack is like 14 lol)
the gpu is what separates the hummingbird from the snapdragon which is why hummingbirds seem better due to its overall performance
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Excellent post, Sir. I always had the impressions, for some reason, that Hummingbird was a touch better, but the GPU made it really excel. It's great to hear that Snapdragon is actually a bit better, but is in fact held back due to the GPU. This makes me reconsider my next purchase significantly. I was thinking of holding off on HTC, as they'll continue to use Qualcom. Perhaps I'll stick with HTC, depending on when they have a dual core available for AT&T frequencies.
Ima gonna puke with all this crap about nexus s. It sucks people its made by samsung. Plastic shell cheap ****. Gps problems will come out soon and u ppl will be crying why I brought it! It's a galaxy s phone so I won't be surprised if tons of **** is wrong with it. Get the new LG phone instead or muizu m9
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Even if dual core “around the corner” I honestly don’t think we will see optimized software for at least 6 months.... Look at the desktop computing world.. It took nearly a year for dual core to make a difference back when it was intel core solo vs core duo (or amd64 vs X2)... The software just took a lil longer to catch up. Even now, its taking awhile for a quad core to be worth it over a dual core
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But that was the first time people had seen dual core on any device. Now it's been around a while and people know what they are dealing with.
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soon and u ppl will be crying why I brought it!
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Hopefully they cry on the nexus s forum.....
So, I don't know if I'm the only one, but the only mention of dual core in a device that I've seen is the new Motorola Stingray tablet they were using to show off Maps 5. I don't even think Ginger supports Dual core. I honestly don't think we'll see anything dual core until Honeycomb.
Is there really any reason for NEEDING a dual-core processor in your phone? The only reason I can see for having it is to brag about it.
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The screen, while being the S-AMOLED, isnt a night and day difference from the N1 screen.
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Must be worse than the screen on the SGS then as the SGS I had had a clearly far better screen than the N1.
So I like many of you am thinking of jumping to tegra 2 within the.next year. I personally build pcs for myself and have always been a loyal fan of geforce gpu cards and nforce boards. So when I learned of tegra 2 I nearly creamed my pants. But after modding my phone running midnight I've turned this into a beast. Scoring 1100/2700 in smartbench and 2000 in quadrant I went looking for any benches tegra 2. I found a quadrant bench of the bionic and it scored around 2200. I know benches mean nothing but these scores are pretty close. What do you guys think are gonna be some advantages you see speed wise with tegra? Im trying to determine if the jump would be worth it...
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Tegra 2 will murder Epic's gpu,i would say its 3-4 times more powerfull.But who want Tegra without Super Amoled?lol,not me.
Good point lol I know samsung sucks at updates but I think if they get the sgs2 right ill be looking forward to it. Samoled is amazing. I want a 42 inch samoled tv. Wow I just really thought about that and it sounds amazing.
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Tegra 2 will murder Epic's gpu,i would say its 3-4 times more powerfull.But who want Tegra without Super Amoled?lol,not me.
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The Tegra 2 GPU is not 3-4 times more powerful...if anything the GPU is where the Epic is closest to the Tegra 2..(of course the Tegra 2 GPU supports some nice new protocols but in terms of raw power)
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So I like many of you am thinking of jumping to tegra 2 within the.next year. I personally build pcs for myself and have always been a loyal fan of geforce gpu cards and nforce boards. So when I learned of tegra 2 I nearly creamed my pants. But after modding my phone running midnight I've turned this into a beast. Scoring 1100/2700 in smartbench and 2000 in quadrant I went looking for any benches tegra 2. I found a quadrant bench of the bionic and it scored around 2200. I know benches mean nothing but these scores are pretty close. What do you guys think are gonna be some advantages you see speed wise with tegra? Im trying to determine if the jump would be worth it...
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Here is the things to consider besides quadrant being flawed:
1) The Tegra 2 right now is not optimized and is not using the dual core..its only using 1 core..Dual Core support and optimizations will come with Honeycomb..
2) The Hummingbird is also not optimized and will be optimized in Gingerbread
3) The GPU on the Epic dithers at 24bit while Tegra 2 still does 16bit dithering...
4) The GPU on the Epic is FPS locked...so its definitely capable of more..
Its kinda hard to say what the performance will be of both once the smoke clears..but the Tegra 2 is 40nm and is based of Cortex A9 which give it a lot of advantages..the disadvantages would lie in whether or not applications would support dual core and if they will when and how efficiently..
I estimate though Tegra 2 would definitely win on CPU processing from 25%-100% depending on whether or not it can use both cores..and in terms of GPU it would be around the same to 50% better depending if there is dual core support or not...(assuming that we unlock the FPS and find a way to make it dither the same amount of bits)
Edit: Forgot to add a conclusion~~
Conclusion is that a Tegra 2 is definitely an upgrade BUT until Honeycomb comes into play we would definitely be competitive...beyond that we won't be a slouch(I mean people still use EVOs even though ours is superior by a good margin)..but its no question Tegra 2 will surpass us..
Oh and on the Nvidia tibit...I am pretty pissed at them after what they did with the laptops..they have been serving faulty chipsets for laptops for YEARS and bribing manufacturers to use them..which has me pretty pissed...even though I hear latest chipsets 400+ series are ok..but I probably won't be buying a nvidia laptop for a while..desktop gpus are ok with me though..
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Good point lol I know samsung sucks at updates but I think if they get the sgs2 right ill be looking forward to it. Samoled is amazing. I want a 42 inch samoled tv. Wow I just really thought about that and it sounds amazing.
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Usually TVs tend to be Passive Matrix OLED and not Active Matrix OLED..anyways..that said I have seen an OLED TV at CES 2011..Don't now exact size it was as I viewed from a distance and had a person distracting me..I think it was 32"-46" somewhere there..and I'll tell you this IT WAS OUT OF THIS WORLD...or more precisely in this world..it was like looking through a glass window and they could pop out any time..thats how realistic it looked...I mean those 3rd TVs are suppose to "come out" but I think thats over-rated..look at an OLED TV and thats where its at..it was simply amazing...
Check out Galaxy S2.
I want the atrix on sprint. Seriously though has spelrint even announced any dual cores coming out this year?
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I want the atrix on sprint. Seriously though has spelrint even announced any dual cores coming out this year?
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I'm sure i wasn't the only one that noticed that none of the big CES phones were for sprint.... I don't think sprint even had a showing at CES
Were waiting for the 12th for they're announcement. The attic does sound amazing... but I don't like Motorola at all. I hate the droids and every moto phone I've had screwed me one way or another. I just hope that sprint nails the best version of the sgs2. Epic 2 4g
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I thought it was Feb 7th?
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I thought it was Feb 7th?
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it Is 8)
http://www.androidcentral.com/whats-sprint-conjuring-feb-7
I'm personally waiting for orion to make the jump to dual core. The tegra 2 is a nice upgrade for a non-hummingbird
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What in your opinion is going to be the best dual core processors? Example tegra, Orion,nvida etc.
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Anybody know the specs on the supposed epic 2?
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Were waiting for the 12th for they're announcement. The attic does sound amazing... but I don't like Motorola at all. I hate the droids and every moto phone I've had screwed me one way or another. I just hope that sprint nails the best version of the sgs2. Epic 2 4g
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That is true of all phones except the razor. That was one well made phone, even see ones at least based off them these days. Those used to not break, remember when cell phones didn't break daily?
I'm sure soon the quadcore in the new ngp psp is going in a phone.
I just doubt seriously that it makes much of a difference at all as android at this point is not capable of running multiple threads from my understanding. The Nvidia GPU in the tegra 2 phones is pretty much on the same performance level as ours so thats not even a factor.
The rumor mill has GB offering up true multi core support on the phone, we will see how that goes, because the rumor mill had froyo supporting it too.
Multi core CPU's are awesome if you are endlessly running multiple cpu intensive tasks, on your phone I doubt you will be.
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Orion! I mean hummingbird is te best single core...so why would samsung pass the crown? Lol but nah the tegra is probably gonna be the worst since its the first, but just because its the worst does not mean its bad at all lol
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Hard to say really...there really is no benchmarks or live phones to tell..
The Tegra 2 seems to support more new specs/features on their GPU...the Orion will be bundled with the MALI-400 and the snapdragon has its Adreno which seems to be promising performance on par with our current Hummignbird but will have a 1.2ghz dual core which might help it in cpu (Though Tegra 2.5 will come this year too with 1.2ghz), the OMAP chose the SGX540 which is hard to say how they will utilize it..
See its kinda a mixed bag...as we don't have any phones to try out..
IF I were to guess out of all the Dual cores this year..the best performance would either be the Tegra 2.5 or the Orion..:/
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I'm sure soon the quadcore in the new ngp psp is going in a phone.
I just doubt seriously that it makes much of a difference at all as android at this point is not capable of running multiple threads from my understanding. The Nvidia GPU in the tegra 2 phones is pretty much on the same performance level as ours so thats not even a factor.
The rumor mill has GB offering up true multi core support on the phone, we will see how that goes, because the rumor mill had froyo supporting it too.
Multi core CPU's are awesome if you are endlessly running multiple cpu intensive tasks, on your phone I doubt you will be.
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Multi-core support comes with Honeycomb :/..but yeh the 4 core CPU and a SGX543MP4+ does look rather sweet on that PSP..
I could write a monster post here, since comparing SoC architecture is a hobby of mine.
But, I'm tired, so I'm just going to drop links and say a few words.
http://briefmobile.com/lg-optimus-2x-benchmarked-defies-special-relativity
http://www.nvidia.com/object/IO_90715.html
Obviously NVIDIA's stuff has to be taken with a grain of salt (it has a certain amount of marketing spin thrown in) but thus far has been fairly accurate when compared to actual performance numbers.
Samsung is using Tegra 2 (we've caught them accepting orders for large numbers of Tegra 2 processors) so Orion is either still in the works or has been placed on the backburner. TI is prepping their OMAP 4400, which hopefully will feature some tweaks (not something TI is known for however) to keep it competitive with the fairly hard-copy Tegra 2 ARM Cortex-A9.
And let's not forget Qualcomm. They may not be technically using Cortex-A9, but with their license to customize the ARM instruction set and CPU architecture as they see fit (something that NVIDIA, Samsung, and TI haven't paid to do), they have the ability to modify their SoCs to remain competitive, no matter what the other guys do. Their only major drawback is the time and money they need to spend on R&D.
Alright, I didn't want to write a book so I'm going to stop myself here. If you want to see me rattle on for pages about this stuff, read this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=907182
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Dungeon Defender on the Optimus 2X
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Runs exactly the same as it does on my epic, I'm not sure the point with that?
gTen we will see if its there when its released. Until then all those dual cores don't do much.
As we all know, the new trend in smartphones now is moving towards the new cortex a9 chips such as the tegra 2, orion, QSD 8960 (I think), etc. However, is all this raw horsepower really necessary? I mean, sure, apps open up 1 sec. faster, web pages load 4-5 seconds faster, and I understand the concept on future proofing, but single core devices are just as capable. To me, 500 is not worth not being able to wait 5 seconds. And don't forgot about Google's new baby, the Nexus S. What is your opinion? Are you getting a dual core? Personally, I am waiting for the quad cores!
Everything will drop in price over time. Right now, of course it's expensive, it's a new feature.
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Do we really NEED a computer/HD-TV that fits in your pocket, has wireless data, apps, wifi hotspot capability, and even makes phone calls/texts?...
I say yes. Plus, don't forget the potential battery life gains out of multi-core. But hey.... I carry around a spare battery, and that works pretty well for me.
No, we don't, BUT, they'll make us THINK we WANT it and that's ($$$) what's important to them.
Like you said, those 4-5 seconds load up time, worth it for $500? Naaa.
I'll stick with my Vibrant and let others be the beta testers.
These such things are not really our NEEDS, but our WANTS.
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As we all know, the new trend in smartphones now is moving towards the new cortex a9 chips such as the tegra 2, orion, QSD 8960 (I think), etc. However, is all this raw horsepower really necessary? I mean, sure, apps open up 1 sec. faster, web pages load 4-5 seconds faster, and I understand the concept on future proofing, but single core devices are just as capable. To me, 500 is not worth not being able to wait 5 seconds. And don't forgot about Google's new baby, the Nexus S. What is your opinion? Are you getting a dual core? Personally, I am waiting for the quad cores!
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You kind of contradicted yourself with the last sentence.
personally, i only use my device to make calls, txt'g, listen to music and maybe surf the web (rarely). i don't think i would benefit THAT much from a dual core, but on the other hand, if the battery life is better......
aside from that, i'm getting great battery life out of the rom i'm running now, so that isn't much of an issue now.
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As we all know, the new trend in smartphones now is moving towards the new cortex a9 chips such as the tegra 2, orion, QSD 8960 (I think), etc. However, is all this raw horsepower really necessary? I mean, sure, apps open up 1 sec. faster, web pages load 4-5 seconds faster, and I understand the concept on future proofing, but single core devices are just as capable. To me, 500 is not worth not being able to wait 5 seconds. And don't forgot about Google's new baby, the Nexus S. What is your opinion? Are you getting a dual core? Personally, I am waiting for the quad cores!
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"You will never need more than 640K" -BG
It's inevitable. Power will become better, apps written for dual cores and so on. This is pretty much an open ended question with an infinite answer. In short Yes.
There's no such thing as "too much" in the technology world.
You may not need it right now, but the apps will advance and become even better, since the multi-threading will bring new possibilities.
Also, I never thought I would need 6 cores on my desktop PC. And look at me. I'm playing for a Dual 6-core Xeon server to fall from the sky right on my yard.
Apple/AT&T can answer this question better since they are good at convincing people they do not need more than 2GB of data or flash on their smartphones
Why would anyone need more then a 2400 baud modem
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Apple/AT&T can answer this question better since they are good at convincing people they do not need more than 2GB of data or flash on their smartphones
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And yet they are killing the market so far, maybe the OP has a point, do we really need all this processing power? what we need from phones is for them to utilize what they already have more efficiently. If Team Whiskey can make roms that takes me from 8-12 hours a day battery life to 20-24hours on the SAME hardware, I think that's where manufacturers should be spending their time. Zero lag anytime, excellent battery life and even a 600-800mhz processor will be blazing on Android.
Apple has done a great job with that for the most part..hope Google does follows suite soon!
Dual cores will improve battery life.
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Not only that but there is an overwhelming trend away from laptops to tablets and smart phones. The more horse power these phones have the more we will be able to do with them. In addition Frany1029 is right, dual cores will drastically improve battery life over what we have now. Plus itll be cool to have a phone that is more powerful than most netbooks.
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Apple/AT&T can answer this question better since they are good at convincing people they do not need more than 2GB of data or flash on their smartphones
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I LOLd hard.
And yeah, I think that progression is inevitable. Its always been that way with everything. Evolve or get left behind. Simple as that.
Yes.
I want system on chip with dual core cpu and dual core gpu. You wanna talk bout battery life? Lol.
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jamesd86 said:
Yes.
I want system on chip with dual core cpu and dual core gpu. You wanna talk bout battery life? Lol.
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I can't say I really want system on a chip. Might lead to some severe lock down of the OS.
Do we need dual cores? Depends. For heavy media devices, PMPs and such I can see the need for dual cores. For a smartphone? Not really.
A 1.4 GHz Single Core with a 1900 mAh battery and 4" Super LCD/AMOLED screen would do me just fine.
I prefer backgrounding (iOS/WP7) with push notifications (WP7-style) to 3rd-party preemptive multitasking. System apps can multi-task, those that need to (media player, browser, etc.).
I am actually starting to question the value of Adobe Flash on a smartphone now, after seeing how terribly it performs on this one. I also question the value of ridiculous 4G speeds for users who don't tether their computer to their phone...
dungeon defenders will answer your question.
Do I NEED my BMW? No. But it's always nice to have. Same can be said of pretty much any luxury, and right now, that's exactly what the dual core processors are.
so the pattern is doubling the number of cores every generations then the next generation should have 8core processor?
I highly doubt it...
Probably a hex core.
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What's the point?
Name one situation where you would even need that.
Samsung needs to work on improving other practical features.
They've always upgraded what makes people fall for their phones, but never anything actually useful.
Years ago, their phone cameras went up in megapixels, but sucked no matter how much megapixels they had. Because megapixels aren't as important as is other more technical camera features. But megapixels are easiest to advertise so they went with those.
Personally I think a single core was enough. Now, phone companies need to work on RAM. They could stuff a lot more RAM in before they need to upgrade the processor.
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No, we will get more quad graphics
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Doubt it. these apps doesnt even require 8 cores. if any of these phone users require 8 core just to play games, either get a console or a decent pc.
8 core to play Angry birds or Shadowgun...pffftt...
will 8 core make me type faster?
Just Faster Speeds
tbh, I think faster speeds are really the only shift we'll be seeing at least next year for sure, but probably the year after that as well. Although with Windows 8 on ARM on the horizon, perhaps devs may find a way to do some serious mobile computing.
i don't think that 8 core will be useful for a device of 5" or 6"
They will stay at quad core but use the faster A15 architecture.
It's possible they might add some low powered A7 cores in a big.little configuration to improve battery life.
It will also have a next gen Mali gpu. Either Mali 604 or t658.
I'm also expecting it to have 2gb of ram.
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Why would you even care...
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Why would you even care...
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lol coming from a WP user
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I'm not entirely convinced multi-cored phones of any variety are even really getting fully utilized yet :/
I honestly believe cores are more of a marketing gimmick at the moment. I could be wrong, I'm no expert and I don't have the ability to see how well android handles the fine details.. But, there are a lot of factors most people don't even think about when buying phones.. Manufacturers know you're not going to ask "Well what about this 1.5ghz single core processor preforming 4 instructions per clock compared to this dual core phone performing 1.5 instructions per clock?"
Maybe when I go to upgrade my captivate I'll worry about cores more but, at the moment I wouldn't be surprised if dual cores were preforming better than quad cores since they have been out longer and had more time to get optimized in the code.
Dual core phones are already fast enough but seems like phones will start competing with pc in the next few years.
Imo RAM n battery life need to be increased greatly then manufactures should start thinking about future multiple core cpu.
Imagine a hex core cpu n the juice it needs
Yes, RAM!
ya, I definitely think RAM has a place because that's one of the best things about smartphones is the ability to multi-task! So if manufacturers can further cater to that, then I think more cores may follow, especially if we get more TRUE multi-tasking where you have live apps running. Because then, you can delegate individual cores to individual apps that are running. ATM I'm not entirely sure why I would need multiple live apps running simultaneously on a phone, however I think for business workers/students it could be helpful to be watching a live stream or doing a conference call while taking notes in an office suite app.
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lol coming from a WP user
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LOL coming from somebody using even lesser hardware than mine. Pull out the wallet and get sum 6 core goodness you cheapo. You even fail at trolling, come on you can do better than this.
On a more serious note, even Win7 has issues handling more than 6 cores efficiently, so why would anyone even bother having 8 effing cores on a phone. A full desktop experience would be useless anyway on something like a phone, only no life nerds should get all excited about something like that. I wonder why people can't just enjoy the current technology, looking so far just means that one hasn't really got **** to do all day IMHO.
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Snow_fox said:
I'm not entirely convinced multi-cored phones of any variety are even really getting fully utilized yet :/
I honestly believe cores are more of a marketing gimmick at the moment. I could be wrong, I'm no expert and I don't have the ability to see how well android handles the fine details.. But, there are a lot of factors most people don't even think about when buying phones.. Manufacturers know you're not going to ask "Well what about this 1.5ghz single core processor preforming 4 instructions per clock compared to this dual core phone performing 1.5 instructions per clock?"
Maybe when I go to upgrade my captivate I'll worry about cores more but, at the moment I wouldn't be surprised if dual cores were preforming better than quad cores since they have been out longer and had more time to get optimized in the code.
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This. One needs to wonder why would a decent mobile OS need this much power anyway?
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LOL coming from somebody using even lesser hardware than mine. Pull out the wallet and get sum 6 core goodness you cheapo. You even fail at trolling, come on you can do better than this.
On a more serious note, even Win7 has issues handling more than 6 cores efficiently, so why would anyone even bother having 8 effing cores on a phone. A full desktop experience would be useless anyway on something like a phone, only no life nerds should get all excited about something like that. I wonder why people can't just enjoy the current technology, looking so far just means that one hasn't really got **** to do all day IMHO.
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I use even lesser lesser lesser, and lesser hardware
Instead of wasting money (which I don't have) on a newer phone, I work on optimizing Android to run at its best on my phone. Look at the Sony PSP. The XMB is amazing for a 333mhz processor. (And its actually clocked at 222mhz at the XMB). Now, were not talking about the browser here, that sucks. Sony spent time on the OS itself. They won't get thanked for it by the people who look at the features list on the box, but they engineered a wonderful OS for such a weak device.
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the s4 will be dualcore 2.3ghz the s5 will probably be some insane cpu and graphics chip capable of running mw3 im 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000% sure they will be more powerful than a xbox 360
Battery and ram def need to be upped. I also think phone manuf should provide a extended battery option with every high powered phone. I would also like to see a slow down on e amount of phones coming out. Perfect your flagship mid and lower powered phones then move on
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I hope they will stop messing with cores and screen sizes and let's focus on batteries and RAM.
Most apps and software don't even use two cores, let alone four, forbid more than that.
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I use even lesser lesser lesser, and lesser hardware
Instead of wasting money (which I don't have) on a newer phone, I work on optimizing Android to run at its best on my phone. Look at the Sony PSP. The XMB is amazing for a 333mhz processor. (And its actually clocked at 222mhz at the XMB). Now, were not talking about the browser here, that sucks. Sony spent time on the OS itself. They won't get thanked for it by the people who look at the features list on the box, but they engineered a wonderful OS for such a weak device.
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Hehe, I know what you mean...a year ago I had a Desire, and it was amazing to see how greatly the software could work after some tweaking, compared to stock. Sure it was kinda challenging, but it really felt like it was worth it: that phone was a living thing to me, I could hear it breathing. I swear I almost cried when I sold it, and I actually immediately regretted doing it, but it was too late. It was like leaving a dog on the side of the road or something like that, but at that time I was all excited about the fresh dual core thing, so I couldn't think rationally. There are days when I still feel very guilty about what I did. I'll never do that again. Guys seriously, if you have an old Android device with you don't sell it, you will regret it. Maybe not now, and not even in a few months, but you definitely will, trust me, especially if you've been living with it for a while (I had that phone for over a year).
Selling the GS2 didn't actually make me feel that way, probably because I've only kept it for a few months and didn't really tweak it that much...
8 cores is long way to go.
no way 8 core phone in next 3 years!
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I hope they will stop messing with cores and screen sizes and let's focus on batteries and RAM.
Most apps and software don't even use two cores, let alone four, forbid more than that.
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Thats ri8 More RAM and Longer Battery life is way to go.
They already have superb camera and beautiful display
Bell points the finger at chipset makers - "The way it's implemented right now, Android does not make as effective use of multiple cores as it could, and I think - frankly - some of this work could be done by the vendors who create the SoCs, but they just haven't bothered to do it. Right now the lack of software effort by some of the folks who have done their hardware implementation is a bigger disadvantage than anything else."
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What do you think about this guys?
He knows his stuff.
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i would take it with a pinch of salt, though there are not many apps that takes advantage of multi core processor lets see what intel will tell when they have thier own dual core processor out in the market
Pretty good valid arguments for the most part.
I mostly agree though, but I think android makes good use of up to 2 cores. Anything more than that it doesn't at all.
There is a huge chunk of the article missing too.
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What do you think about this guys?
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I think they should all be covered in honey and then thrown into a pit full of bears and Honey bees. And the bears should have like knives ductaped to their feet and the bees stingers should be dipped in chilli sauce.
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I think they should all be covered in honey and then thrown into a pit full of bears and Honey bees. And the bears should have like knives ductaped to their feet and the bees stingers should be dipped in chilli sauce.
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wow, saying Android isn't ready for multip-core deserves such treatment? or this guy had committed more serious crime previously?
Actually is a totally fail but in android 5 I think it's can be solved
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This was a serious problem on desktop Windows OS as well back when multi cores first starting coming out. I remember having to download patches for certain games and in other cases, having to set the CPU affinity to run certain games/apps with only one core so that it wouldn't freeze up. I am sure Android will move forward with multi-core support in the future.
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wow, saying Android isn't ready for multip-core deserves such treatment? or this guy had committed more serious crime previously?
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Its a harsh but fair punishment imo. They need to sort that sh*t out as its totally unacceptable or they're gonna get a taste of the Cat o Nine Tails.
Android kernel is based on Linux. So this is suggesting the Linux kernel is not built to support multi-core either. Not true. There is a reason the SGS3 gets 5000+ in Quadrant, the the San Diego only gets 3000+. And the San Diego is running 200MHz faster.
Just look at the blue bar here. http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/31/orange-san-diego-benchmarks/ . My SGS3 got over 2.5K on just CPU alone.
What Intel said was true. Android is multicore aware but the os and apps aren't taking advantage of it. When this user disabled 2 cores on the HTC one x it made no difference at all in anything other than benchmarks.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=26094852&postcount=3
Disabling the CPU cores will do nothing to the GPU, hence still getting 60 FPS. And you say that like you expected to see a difference. Those games may not be particularly CPU intensive, thats why they continue to run fine. They will more than likely be GPU limited.
Android is not a difficult OS to run, thats why it can run on the G1, or AOKP can run smooth as silk on my i9000. If it can run smooth as silk on one 2yr old 1GHz chip, how COULD it go faster on a next-gen chip like in the SGS3 or HOX? In terms of just using the phone, ive not experienced any lag at all.
If youre buying a phone with dual/quad CPU cores, and only expecting to use it as a phone (i.e, not play demanding games/benchmark/mod/what ever else), of course you wont see any advantage, and you may feel cheated. And if you disable those extra cores, and still only use it as a phone, of course you wont notice any difference.
If a pocket calculator appears to calculate 1+1 instantly, and a HOX also calculates 1+1 instantly, Is the pocket calculator awesome, is the HOX not using all its cores, or is what it is being asked to do simply not taxing enough to use all the CPU power the HOX has got?
I've been hearing this for some time now and is one of the reasons I didn't care that we weren't getting the quad core version of the GS3
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I've been hearing this for some time now and is one of the reasons I didn't care that we weren't getting the quad core version of the GS3
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Okay folks... firstly linux kernel, which android is based on, is aware of multicore (its obvious) but most the applications are not aware, thats true!.. but is not the android which to blame neither the SoC makers. This is like the flame intel made that they wanted to say their single core can do faster to a dual core arm LOL, (maybe intel will make 1 core has 4 threads or 8 threads) <- imposibruuu for now dunno later
you will notice the core usage while playing HD video that require cpu to decode (better core decode fastly)... and im not sure single core intel does better to arm dual core.. ~haha~
but for average user the differences are not noticable.. if intel aiming for this market yes that make sense... but android user are above average user.. they will optimize its phone eventually IMO
What they have failed to disclose is which SoC they did their test on and their methodology. Not much reason to doubt what he's saying but you gotta remember that Intel only have a single core mobile SoC currently and are aiming to get a foothold in the mobile device ecosystem so part of this could be throwing salt on competing products as it's something that should be taken care of by Google optimising the CPU scheduling algorithms of their OS.
The problem is in the chip set. I currently attend SUNY Oswego and a professor of mine Doug Lea works on many concurrent structures. He is currently working on the ARM spec sheet that is used to make chips. The bench marks that he has done shows that no matter how lucky or unlucky you get, the time that it takes to do a concurrent process is about the same where on desktop chips there is a huge difference between best case and worse case. The blame falls on the people that make the chips for now. They need to change how it handles concurrent operations and then if android still cant use multi-core processors then it falls on the shoulders of google.
that is my two cents on the whole situation. Just finished concurrency with Doug and after many talks this is my current opinion.
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Disabling the CPU cores will do nothing to the GPU, hence still getting 60 FPS. And you say that like you expected to see a difference. Those games may not be particularly CPU intensive, thats why they continue to run fine. They will more than likely be GPU limited.
Android is not a difficult OS to run, thats why it can run on the G1, or AOKP can run smooth as silk on my i9000. If it can run smooth as silk on one 2yr old 1GHz chip, how COULD it go faster on a next-gen chip like in the SGS3 or HOX? In terms of just using the phone, ive not experienced any lag at all.
If youre buying a phone with dual/quad CPU cores, and only expecting to use it as a phone (i.e, not play demanding games/benchmark/mod/what ever else), of course you wont see any advantage, and you may feel cheated. And if you disable those extra cores, and still only use it as a phone, of course you wont notice any difference.
If a pocket calculator appears to calculate 1+1 instantly, and a HOX also calculates 1+1 instantly, Is the pocket calculator awesome, is the HOX not using all its cores, or is what it is being asked to do simply not taxing enough to use all the CPU power the HOX has got?
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That doesn't mean daily task doesn't need the cpu power. When I put my sgs 3 in power save mode which cut back the cpu to 800mHz, I feel the lag instantly when scrolling around and navigating the internet. So I can conclude that performance per core is still much more important than number of cores. There isn't any performance difference either with the dual core sensation xe running beside the single core sensational xl.
The hardware needs to be out for developers to have incentive to make use of it. It's not like Android was built from the ground up to utilize 4 cores. That said, once it hits enough hand it and software running in it will be made to utilize the new hardware.