Hello
I have a simple choice to make, whether to go with the HTC HD2 (and Windows 6.5), which will entail leaving Orange and not getting any upgrade offers, or to go with the Desire and Android.
I currently have a Diamond and have never, truly, had a problem with it that is down to the operating system. The reason its now dog slow is something to do with the amount of times ive dropped it from circa 4 feet. Its also scratched to buggery. I do like a lot of features of Windows 6.5 though, and im therefore a little reluctant to jump over to Android for a faster OS when i will sudddenly not be able to do some things i do now.
The first one that springs to mind is the contact list, where i can simply type a few numbers, or letters of someones name (first name or last name or last 3 letters of name, etc) and get given the number i want. Does Android do this? (I assume this is an OS thing, as my previous windows phones have all done this, though no other non windows phone ive used has!)
Otherwise, in terms of applications, will they run on Android if they run on Windwows, i suspect not. Or is it a case that some might but some wont? Is it a completely different setup? I have TomTom which runs like a gem through windows, will this work with android? I guess this is a usual question, im not buying TomTom again just to have it on my new device!
Final thing, what is battery life like on each, is one much better than others, particularly when using applications and, in particular, GPS?
Any sensible discussion is appreciated. No 'Desire is better' etc comments without a comparison/reason please.
Thanks in advance!
Steve
HD2 > Desire
not only the OS, but I simply love the hardware much better too.
With Android you get the promise of frequent(ish if you think of the hero) updates to your OS. Yeah you get less useability but you can still root your phone if you need to.
Winmo is still good and the HD2's screen is a thing to behold. Honestly, best bet is to try the phones yourself in a store.
I have both. HD2 and Desire.
Desire: Awsome! Poor battery, need to recharge 2-3 times at one day! Low volume! Poor music player! If you get a SMS from a service like 1999 it randomly finds a contacts and says for example that the SMS is from Mark (a random contact). VERY slow charcing! Android, very userfriendly! Awsome FaceBook app! Can only synch my Gmail!!! AMOLED screen!
Leo: Awsome fast charcing! Good batterylife! SRS WOWHD v1.5.1.0 = Awsome music quality! Need to be restarted every day, more then one time each day! Awsome screen! SMS deliver problem! Keyboard lag! I can synch my Hotmail, contacts etc! Costumizable! Better flash.
I'm currently using both, Leo for music and Desire as my main phone. And my Sony Ericsson watch is connect with my Desire...
I have just brought a desire for my daughter and have been comparing the two phones.1st of all I love my hd2, so i thought it would be very one sided and it was.
The desire is just so much better.The hd2 is without doubt the best looking hardware with the nicest screen in the world (IMHO) but the android software is so much easier and rewarding to use. The hd2 suits me fine because when im working nightshift and I have 10 hours to kill doing nothing, Im busy messy around with my phone getting this to work or that to work but I dont think thats for everyone.
The way I see it is you have the IPhone that everything works and is so easy a baby could use it but for that reason its locked down in every way that you cant do anything to modify it or personalise it.
You have the HD2 which seems totally open but you have to get your hands dirty to make everything work or to make it work faster or less buggy.
The Desire sits right in the middle and takes the best of both. Everything works very easily and SUPER QUICK, you have your millions of unnecessary apps, its not locked down like the IPhone and even more customisable than the hd2. You also have the fact that android will keep being developed and WM wont.
Sorry for the long post but seeing as im doing exactly what the post was talking about i had a lot on my mind.
RReckless
PS my HD2 is still the prettiest of them all
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get the HD2. i take it with your diamond your used to hard spl if so the HD2 is no different.
put a good custom ROM on ie xtreame 6.5 rom and you will not have any problems
as for syncing mail, i use my google mail account for exchange with contacts etc, and hotmail for emails as well both work flawlessly and have no sms problems
bottom line, if you don't mind putting a custom rom on your phone get the HD2
otherwise the desire is your best bet
1. Desire is from HTC so it has the function press some letter then the contact pop up like u want.
2. I can say apps on Desire have more fun to use, but not so convenient for some basic function, e.g: HD2 have TCPMP, Core Player to play video that u dont have to spent hour to convert. Mobipocket reader to read prc. Office mobile is so convenient.
You will feel it's really fun with apps at first, but when u try everything that are recommended, you will just need the basic things which HD2 is better
3. I dont have a Desire, but based on reviews, battery life seem to be worse than HD2.
4. Desire can be rooted but u cannot do much thing with it like with HD2, and you will feel bored very soon in terms of customizing ur screen
i want the live wallpapers on my hd2 >.> xd
My Pennies worth...
I had both the Desire and HD2 for a week to compare..
Yes you do need to tweak the HD2 more (but that's part of the fun and being in the xda community)... and android is being developed for much quicker than anything else but I choose the HD2 for the following reasons..
1.The Camera is much better on the HD2 even though they are both 5 megapixel shooters, the HD2 was better in all conditions (low light etc)
2.There's no decent video player for android yet (compared to coreplayer, although I believe they're working on an android version)
3. I stream a lot of TV/Music and the beebplayer program is rubbish compared to myPlayer on winmo - having said that the LastFM widget for Android is really good.
4. The Screen is better IMHO on the HD2 in both size and quality
5. FPSEce is only available on winmo and is totally brilliant.
6. I've gambled on the fact that the HD2 may get an android port or windows 7 port by the talented devs on this site, and therefore give me the best of all worlds on a really powerful device.
The only thing i miss from Android at the moment is the live wallpapers... very cool
Some good posts, here, thanks a lot.
Re: Android ports for the HD2, ive heard this mentioned a lot. I know a bit about roms and things (I have duttythroys rom on the Diamond), but im not too sure about the OS. Is it feasible that HTC (or someone else) release a rom or something that would put Android onto the HD2? Is Windows 7 also a possibility? Obviously you can do it with a PC, jump from say XP to Windows 7, is the same move just as easy on a mobile device or does it require radical jiggerypokery?
Re: all the messages about looks, i have to be honest, i agree
LessThanSte said:
Some good posts, here, thanks a lot.
Re: Android ports for the HD2, ive heard this mentioned a lot. I know a bit about roms and things (I have duttythroys rom on the Diamond), but im not too sure about the OS. Is it feasible that HTC (or someone else) release a rom or something that would put Android onto the HD2? Is Windows 7 also a possibility? Obviously you can do it with a PC, jump from say XP to Windows 7, is the same move just as easy on a mobile device or does it require radical jiggerypokery?
Re: all the messages about looks, i have to be honest, i agree
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No way HTC will do that, just a dream
LessThanSte said:
Some good posts, here, thanks a lot.
Re: Android ports for the HD2, ive heard this mentioned a lot. I know a bit about roms and things (I have duttythroys rom on the Diamond), but im not too sure about the OS. Is it feasible that HTC (or someone else) release a rom or something that would put Android onto the HD2? Is Windows 7 also a possibility? Obviously you can do it with a PC, jump from say XP to Windows 7, is the same move just as easy on a mobile device or does it require radical jiggerypokery?
Re: all the messages about looks, i have to be honest, i agree
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mmh, microsoft said there will be NO upgrade to wm7.. but a port is possible, it did even succeed already to port wm7 to the hd2, its just buggy, and buggy means useless..
HTC will never make an android hd2 rom.. that would be really really really amazing if they would do that, but this are some crazy wishes xD
but yea, other HTC winmo phones got ports for android... even dualboot winmo/android. i would love that on the hd2 >=)
So i guess the point is that it *could* happen, even though it may not be official (as far as HTC are concerned?)
Just went to a mobile shop today and played with Desire for a while. IMO, I can conclude that the Desire with Android 2.1 is not interesting as it is advertised. Web browser is a very little faster, phone still laggy sometimes, not anything more special then 1.5 in terms of looks, customization. I still feel bored quite quickly
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I love the phone but cant stand windows choppiness makes the phone useless... im coming from a Iphone 3gs.. i can use the iphone 3gs hardcore use all day without having to reboot it cause it gets slooowww and unresponsive...hd2 have to reset around 5 times daily.. wtf? camera pictures are stunning that's what kept me using it for 4-5 days ..i tried couple of tweaks and stuff. last one im using is BsB tweaks that seem to work good.... lets talk about typing..............OMG!!! lol suck ass i thought i need it to get use to the phone but not at all .. its just bad and it kinda make pissed cause i know is windows. why but why in the earth HTC loaded windows in this such a beautiful phone? ..i hope when the EVO comes out someone please please do the ROM from the EVO into the HD2.. this phone need to run android..........
and please be honest... the phone gets very choppy after texting and texting and sending mms ... i call that normal use...
so im going back to iphone until a miracle happens .. android ROM for the HD2
same situation here, why the hell cant this phone just function like its suppose to? everything..... i mean everything is a god damn project with this phone. if this phone had the iphone os... for me at least itd be the perfect device.
Either you love it or you hate it! So far I love it!
I don't have the issues anymore.................I returned mine.
Put on a custom ROM and the days of rebooting/choppiness will be long gone.
Frankly speaking, TMOUS stock rom is the best rom so far I have used with windows mobile (forget about the interface thing, it's the most stable one I have ever experienced. Even custom roms got bugs here and there), and I never have to reset the phone due to any bugs or performance issues... I just can't help but to say I love my HD2
Can u please link me to that ROM. I really want to keep using the hd2. I'll give that one I try
To be honest, I was ready to return both of mine. Then I disabled Sense and installed spb shell. All my issue have disappeared except the daily reboot on one(waiting on T-Mobile to get some in stock to send me a replacement). The keyboard does not hang anymore, and I type fast. The keyboard is acurate now too. The only problems I have now is the network, but I can't do much about that. Stick with the stock rom and do what I did. Also, keep using the bsb tweaks. It really does help.
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Frankly speaking, TMOUS stock rom is the best rom so far I have used with windows mobile (forget about the interface thing, it's the most stable one I have ever experienced. Even custom roms got bugs here and there), and I never have to reset the phone due to any bugs or performance issues... I just can't help but to say I love my HD2
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Feel the same. Since I brought the phone home, has been flawless. Top notch performance.
My only concern is not the phone but, T-mobile's network.
Thank you,
Monnie
Disabling SENSE kinda takes away the beuty of the phone.
i don't think its windows i think is the damn t-mobile rom or the first batch of phones i say exchange it cause i had the touch pro 2 and i would just get maybe a message and email bug. but i do see where you coming from and believe me i had problems with all the phones i had with a lag when i had over 1000 sms my nokia n82 would lag android installing and syncing 2 years of calendar appointments went bunkers I think as tech gets more advance software gets more buggy. but if you find the iphone way more useful i would tell you go for it no device its worth a headache lol
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Disabling SENSE kinda takes away the beuty of the phone.
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Damn, I love this phone but Im annoyed with the Messaging lag and not to mention the lag with the onscreen keyboard. When I bought this phone
I was thinking I would get used to the keyboard like on the Ipod Touch
but boy was I wrong. Im not going to lie to you guys, even the Keyboard on the
Zune HD is better than this phones and its a shame because of the screen size.
I installed the sensitivity cab so it could decrease the sensitivity but it didnt help at all.
Not to mention Sense crashing on me if I try to load some picture on the photo album. POP OUT THE BATTERY LITTLE KID
BSB tweaks help for battery life I guess.
I AM SURELY GOING TO MISS MY MIGHTMIKE ROMS ON MY SPRINT TP2.
I love my HD2
Are you using the task manager? The only reboot i have done is on updates that require it. Set your call button key to open task mager on holding the call button. I always use end all tasks before locking the phone, and it is ready and waiting on the next unlock. I had to do the same on my wing and shadow. I love this phone. I have had an iphone, g1, sidekick. But to me Windows mobile is so much more customizable than the other phone OS'. My first smarthphone was the Shadow and got me hooked on windows mobile.
fastwanabe said:
same situation here, why the hell cant this phone just function like its suppose to? everything..... i mean everything is a god damn project with this phone. if this phone had the iphone os... for me at least itd be the perfect device.
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i feel your pain about everything being a damn project, i'm thinking about jumping ship as well and its only been 5 days
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Are you using the task manager? The only reboot i have done is on updates that require it. Set your call button key to open task mager on holding the call button. I always use end all tasks before locking the phone, and it is ready and waiting on the next unlock. I had to do the same on my wing and shadow. I love this phone. I have had an iphone, g1, sidekick. But to me Windows mobile is so much more customizable than the other phone OS'. My first smarthphone was the Shadow and got me hooked on windows mobile.
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thats what bugs the sh*t out of me about this phone, yes its not the phone issue itself, but winmo6.5m. but having to install a rom or program just so the X button on the upright corner, will ACTUALLY CLOSE the program instead of minimize it and stay in memory, while draining resources?!? thats a great idea!! why should i have have to use a damn task manager to close a damn program...
Get an HTC Desire or Nexus one.
Best of both worlds: Hardware like the HD2, software like the iPhone (much better than the iPhone, actually).
IMO it's much better than both the iPhone and the HD2, cause the whole package is consistent. Great hardware, great software. Android alone is worth it (much better than both iPhone OS and Windows Mobile), but with great, HD2-like hardware, there's nothing that can even come close to the Desire/Nexus.
Nexus One suck a$$... That's why I returned it... Piece of cr****.
Disable email on HD2 stock ROM and your re-booting problems will be gone...
I know..... Some peeps need email , but some is not clicking there.
Just my 2-1/2 cents... LOL
I second the opinion that the tmous stock rom is pretty dang great. Sense UI is the primary culprit behind any sort of slow down. It's great eye candy, but spb mobile shell is much less resource intense.
Why would u want to disable ur email on this phone just to make it "better"? It's like buying a new car and get rid off the headlights !!! U need emails ! and I shouldn't or better say we shouldn't disable ANYTHING to make this phone better. It has balls to run anything ! He's just going to sleep for a while until a updates come or something
btw after playing with a screen this big anything else looks crappy lol
Hi allz!
I want buy one hd2 but i see in more forums, hd2 have many times problem with freezing, sometime unresponsible. Someone say me, if i want htc phone desire is the better. Another question is the calling stability.
I need your opinion about this phone. Good idea to buy in this time or waiting for new phone is the better choice.
i think its the best phone is there
just the OS ruining everything
very old os lots of weird bugs
all the codes there very noobise cant do something one right
base on very old platform really old age of code lang
duno about ce7 hope its will be
like from vista to windows 7
if u going to put android on it u got the best phone per money
cos lots of ppls cant handle it so they sell it at pair price
and u get gr8 phone processor memory screen and so on...
sentinel80 said:
Hi allz!
I want buy one hd2 but i see in more forums, hd2 have many times problem with freezing, sometime unresponsible. Someone say me, if i want htc phone desire is the better. Another question is the calling stability.
I need your opinion about this phone. Good idea to buy in this time or waiting for new phone is the better choice.
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I see you're another potential X1 defector (as I was), I haven't looked back. Its a lot more stable than my X1 ever was, not to mention the overall package!
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I see you're another potential X1 defector (as I was), I haven't looked back. Its a lot more stable than my X1 ever was, not to mention the overall package!
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My x1 is 100% but i want sell in working state
x1 is good phone but the internet feel is too low on the 3" display.
My problem is, i see ,this is the best phone in the market, but too many negative critics, this is real or user problem? My fear is a severe freeze-ing problem.
sentinel80 said:
My x1 is 100% but i want sell in working state
x1 is good phone but the internet feel is too low on the 3" display.
My problem is, i see ,this is the best phone in the market, but too many negative critics, this is real or user problem? My fear is a severe freeze-ing problem.
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Don't forget, people only post on forums when they have issues, not when its running smoothly, so you will always get a lot more negative comments than the phone deserves. I've not had to reboot my HD2 for at least a month, its been rock solid.
Theirs two problems with HD2. One windows mobile its a bit buggy and needs attention. Two HTC sense can be buggy as well so you need to tweak both or have a shell or run the stock windows mobile or just flash it. I cant recommend the hd2 for the weak heart it or too attached to android.
any other reply?
i was worried like you about the reports of instability when pondering the hd2. i've had mine for about a month (on stock rom) and despite the odd minor niggle (always to do with something i installed), i would say it's been very stable.
incidentally, i was talking about this to friend with an iphone and he said his "crashes all the time". i think the message is if you want absolute rock-stability then stick to a non-smartphone as these more complex devices are always going to be flakey to some extent.
short answer: i wouldn't worry about it.
I have had mine for nearly two months and I do not regret the purchase at all. Currently running stock rom and had very few hiccups. Once in a while you will have a minor issue thats not too bad to resolve. Its a little bit like owning a 70s muscle car...get your hands dirty once in a while...but she simply hums otherwise
Ive had mine since november and its not caused me any serious problems (apart from ones that were my fault)...
The stability has been 100% on the stock rom and on an energy rom.........
There is a lot of negative posts regarding the stability/lag etc....
But as someone already said, the majority of people only post when they have a problem. Even if you do have a problem it can usually be solved ......
In short......... I dont think you'll be disapointed if you switch......
Beside the heat-issue when navigating in hot summer-weather in the car (charging and running nav-prog ) my HD2 - though of the very first batch received by end of Nov. 2009 - is the most stable phone I ever had (NOKIA E90, Sony P900/910, HTC Touch HD "Blackstone")
I have approx. 50 apps installed (and use ALL of them !) and a lot of mods from the geniousses here at XDA (CoOkie, Dunc, Dinik, Smaberg, Davej, Jaguaralani etc. - sorry if I forgot one: YOU ARE ALL GENIOUSSES )
What I strictly refrain from is playing around with flashing ROMS and buying branded Smartphones. I have stock-ROM 1.66/WM 6.5/Radio 2.06.51.07/Prot. 15.30.50 running and almost all reg.tweaks from the "tips & tricks" thread ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=583638 ). Especially moving all cache-folders to Storage Card is essential. My last getting stuck or freeze (beside the heat issue) was maybe three months ago. Cooked ROMS are great for enthusiasts and people that have plenty time playing around as a hobby but if You want to work with Your HD2 everyday in a stable way better not try it
I invested some money and got me SPB-Backup, SKTools (full background services running), PocketMechanic and Resco-Explorer (better than any e-reader- and document-tab) installed.
Whenever I install a mod or tweak or app I strictly proceed as follows (takes time and discipline to do this but spares the frustration and day-long anger hardresetting and starting from the scratch again):
0. READ ENTIRE THREAD FOR AN APP/MOD/TWEAK BEFORE INSTALLING !!! IF YOU READ: e.g. "Doesn´t work for me, 1.66 ROM" multiple times DON´T INSTALL IT !!! (that sucks but keeps You happy with Your HD2)
1. Full backup of the HD2 (except storage card)
2. Installation of app/mod/tweak (if not explicitly specified) to Storage Card
3. Testing the app/mod/tweak after installation and full testing of the HD2 if everything else is running fine.
4. Cleaning the installation Junk with e.g. "Junk Cleaner"
5. Additionally "Autoclean" with SKTools
6. Running Registry Optimizer with SKTools
If HD2 freezes after installation of an app/mod/tweak just take out the battery, start the HD2 and full restore with SPB-Backup-file and everything is fine and perfect in no time
Believe me, I am SO TEMPTED to install Froyo 2.2 but since it works only with Radio 2.08 and higher and I read of a lot of problems with Radios 2.08 and higher on the 1.66 ROM I have to abstain and live without Froyo 2.2
Have fun with Your HD2
so after about a week of fooking around with winmo i almost put it back up for sale on craigslist to send it back where it came from.
could not deal with this sht anymore( freezing,overheating, battery drain in standby, sms lagging, alarm not working and tonns more annoying issues)
2 different roms( i wanted to keep stock look and features, since most of cooked roms come with their own theme)
flashed chunky rom (lite version) with 12.50 radio havent tested it alone
then loaded up FroyoStone Series - Version 1 (07-Aug-2010) android rom
loaded jmz android dual boot app.
and so far it feels like im using a totally different phone.
one thing i regret is not doing it earlier.
everything seems to be working great,i definitely am able to use this phone more than i ever did with windows loaded on it.
loaded bunch of apps to see and they all work with no problems. even when an app gives an error it is eliminated with quickness.
everything is fast
android market is ridiculous packed with all kinds of sht(how fast it filled up with apps is insane)
alot of free ones to choose from
oh and almost forgot, the apps work without crashing the system.
i ve been on this phone for last 2 hours trying to figure out the android interface and its not even warm to touch as opposed to windows even in standby its very hot.
very sad that even in its early stage its much more usable than original OS
is there a WINMO HATER thread on xda btw?
beeing a new android user there are few things i have question about.
1 is there an X button to shut down apps like windows?
because most of the apps dont even have X button in app menu.
2 why does it try to crop the wallpaper even when its exact size to fit the screen?
3 Green LED blinks, THIS IS NOT AN ISSUE. This is a diagnostic feature to see if the phone has crashed or not.
mine is not on( it was on for a while) but its still functioning, is it supposed to blink when crashed or when working normally?
4 images in general seem to be reendered with much less quality than on windows boot.
theres also an option to install it with sense, is sense responsible for processing those highrez images or is it winmo?
5 i installed the SD card auto mount app. os that good or bad app to have?
would that interfere with anything?
why don't you sell the phone on craigslist and go buy you a samsung galaxy s?
why dont you buy one for me then.
i can sell the HD2 to you if u like. so you can have a backup...
HATER still defending the crippled OS abandoned by microsoft.
if it wasnt for XDA and few other forums winmo would fall on its face long time ago.
microsoft should thank you guys for keeping their name in mobile business, because without tweakers there would be no one to use it.
galaxy screen is smaller btw and its a samsung and it doesnt have flash and its piano finish and it resembles iphone
i would go for amoled screen tho that thing is super crispy...
see now i forgot what i was gonna ask because of you.
There's nothing crippled about winmo, only the lack of intelligence by the user to actually use it properly.
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Psygnosis84 said:
There's nothing crippled about winmo, only the lack of intelligence by the user to actually use it properly.
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Totally agree with you....winmo is the best os only if one knows how to use it properly.
Yea its not so user friendly but if you want to modify an os winmo would be on the top of the list!
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Psygnosis84 said:
There's nothing crippled about winmo, only the lack of intelligence by the user to actually use it properly.
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/agreed.... man the number 'these' kinda threads are increasing at an alarming rate.
fuzzysig said:
1 is there an X button to shut down apps like windows?
because most of the apps dont even have X button in app menu.
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First, X'ing out of a program in WM does not shut it down...it keeps running in the background. Some programs have built in shut down options, but most of the time you have to use a task manager.
Likewise, in Android, as far as I know, pressing the home key lets you exit a app but it keep running in the background unless you shut it down with an app killer. Some apps have built-in shutdown options.
Ok guys lets not turn this into a my OS is better then yours is thread. Both of them have their pluses and negs, while I use use WM for everything work related I also use Android for messing around and games so to me each has its place.
Why is this thread even here this should be in general questions...
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It is here because we do not have an android general forum set up yet, But the great joshkoss has been working on trying to get it set up.
alarming is the fact that winmo is installed onto consumer phones that are meant for general public
not everyone wants to learn how to edit their registry to make a feature work
some people actually want to use the phone once in a while u know...
but in windows you can enable a program to be terminated by holding the x button
fuzzysig said:
alarming is the fact that winmo is installed onto consumer phones that are meant for general public
not everyone wants to learn how to edit their registry to make a feature work
some people actually want to use the phone once in a while u know...
but in windows you can enable a program to be terminated by holding the x button
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I agree with you to a degree. Winmo is better for users that know (and enjoy) how to tweak their devices (which usually isnt the average user) however it is still perfectly usable with no tweaks applied (albeit not as good as when they are). You are exagerating when you say that the phone is unuseable without tweaks because i used mine for a few weeks with no tweaks whatsoever and i am sure many others here did too and the phone was fully functional. Just because you prefer android to winmo dosent make it any better (for the record i prefer android too)
For the answer to youe x button question see here - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=755504
I was never an android fan. I never used Android until yesterday. Nd even with this beta build is more stable and easier to use than winmo. First time sinnce I got this phone I didnt have to soft reset the phone for almost a day.
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There's nothing crippled about winmo, only the lack of intelligence by the user to actually use it properly.
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hardik119 said:
Totally agree with you....winmo is the best os only if one knows how to use it properly.
Yea its not so user friendly but if you want to modify an os winmo would be on the top of the list!
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Not to sound funny but the 2 above posts are stating winmo is so good, yet your replies are sent from android ports??
So I've used winmo for a bit, and when I do finally (hopefully) flash android onto my phones nand, I don't even want to loose winmo, I really would like to keep winmo as well because it is a decent OS, not as terrible as many make it sound, it is usable for sure.
However, lets not kid ourselves, it's no match for android. Winmo is an aging OS, and it makes that obvious. Android just feels so seamless and so optimized for mobile devices.
kinda what i was trying to say but with many more words
anyone still use DOS?
but i was hoping to get more answers related to android questions i had and not to bring about another thread with winmo vs android.
theres no doubt android is better suited for mobile, although windows has the ability to copy delete and do many more low level operations from the phone, thats why im thinking abotu keeping this phone as well and hope that we can make a true dual boot phone so i can run a clean android boot and clean winmo boot.
I know it has its imperfections...I played with a droid a little while back and liked the widget aspect...but is it worth even trying to see how the hd2 works with it.?
are you serious?!
ok, may be you're really not knowing better. let's grab your own words first, widgets, or better applikations in generell. every of them I tested myself so far(and those were legions... = ) ran smoove, fast und didn't ever influence any other part of the system in performance and stability in a negative way.
more, the android apps in the first place show the potential of our favorite device.
everything I used in WM, I now have a notch enough better and, that's the best, I got 1000x more ; ), 1000x more style, 1000x more flow, 1000x more effectivity
and I never need cosmetics like sense anymore
and by the way, a freeze a day, that's yesterday. if android reboots, I tell him before
it's worth it, it solves it!
I think touch Flo is great and without it winmo would have been hell. However imho android is in a different league in terms of apps, ease of use and eye candy.
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maerdance said:
are you serious?!
ok, may be you're really not knowing better. let's grab your own words first, widgets, or better applikations in generell. every of them I tested myself so far(and those were legions... = ) ran smoove, fast und didn't ever influence any other part of the system in performance and stability in a negative way.
more, the android apps in the first place show the potential of our favorite device.
everything I used in WM, I now have a notch enough better and, that's the best, I got 1000x more ; ), 1000x more style, 1000x more flow, 1000x more effectivity
and I never need cosmetics like sense anymore
and by the way, a freeze a day, that's yesterday. if android reboots, I tell him before
it's worth it, it solves it!
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yes, junior, I am being serious---as I have been Sense all since the beginnings...thanks for your 2 cents...I'll take a dive and check it out.
I still enjoy using WinMo, but I can't deny how great Android is. It meets all of my expectations and without all of the tweaking that had to be done in WinMo.
Sense UI ontop of 6.5.x kept the system modern, but it wasn't enough for me. I bought the HD2 because I wanted the top of the line WinMo phone. Now I have the top of the line WinMo and Android phone bundled together. Sad to say it, but once WiFi tether is up and running I will completely phase out anything but Android. The underlying core is as important as the clothes you put on it.
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Give it a try, you wont be disappointed. I wasnt a WinMo user, I have had Androids since the G1 came out, Blackberry devices prior to that, matter of fact I had pre-ordered my G1. After the G1 I went to the Nexus when it came out, but was keeping a close eye on the HD2 progress as I really liked the phone but really disliked WinMo lol, anyways, I sold my nexus and got a netbook and a HD2 for what I sold my Nexus for..cant beat that.
Android on the HD2 is not as fluent as my Nexus was but its pretty close. If you like WinMo then give Android a shot, its so much more. It has apps for just about everything you could think of and a great majority of them are free or a buck or two.
The ecosystem of Android offers so much over that of WinMo, first off Microsoft has all but forgotten the existence of anything related to 6.5 and has moved on to 7, with that so have most of your developers. The HD2 with WinMo is all but dead, yet its still a decent phone..breathe some life into it and see what that little green robot can do for you
I have been an Android user since Late 2008. I was an early adopter with the G1. And i used my G1 up until I bought my HD2, and the only reason i purchased it was because i wanted to take a gamble to see if the devs could get android running on it.
Look at the progress that they have gotten done on it. Big props to them. If you lived anywhere near me, i would take you out for many beers.
Touchflo was fine, as long as you have never used android before. which a lot of people who were only winmo users are starting to figure out.
Open Source FTMFW
Dual Boot Preference
I have been an avid WinMo user since the Wing all the way up to the HD2. I will say since the Android platform has been ported onto the HD2 hardware I have been thoroughly impressed with Android and more disinterested in WinMo. My only issue with the dual boot is that if Android fails I cannot reboot back into it without a "root.fs" failure. Which means I have to delete all trace files on my sd card and start all over. Can someone please let me know what I am doing wrong and PM me because I may not get to read your post in time.
Thx - New Android Converter
I use Android on my HD2 since the first release.
I couldn't go back to sense/winmo.
It's like I had a new phone ^^
The early releases freezed, chrashed, but *the late ones are right for daily usage.
(just use the right light winmo rom, the right radio, and disable the g-sensor)
The only sad part is, you'll need to boot on winmo to access your SD and copy files.
Well, for now 'till it's fixed
Android is so... ... I can't describe it, try it
I was days, if not hours away from selling my HD2 cause i was bored of WM, i had tried every ROM out there, and sure it's a great phone as is. But for me i needed something more. Now that i have android on my device, IMHO I have the best device on the market. Period. It is EXACTLY what i was looking for in a phone. I can even go back into windows if i need something.
I will always keep winmo as the booting OS but do like the android sense build, if it ran in the same way on winmo I probably wouldn't even use android, but the widgets, speed and ease of use is a winner. I feel though, that sense in winmo looks much more polished (visually) than it does in android.
I am amazed at the amount of people who speak of polish when It comes to android. Sense does look nice on Winmo but thats only a cover for a really old and ugly interface. With android the sense ui is weaved into the Os. We may not have the pretty Icons or th 18 so called useful screens But I didnt use half of those screens.
A Twitter home screen is no match for a twitter widget.
A Music widget is no match for the music home screen. Though cht does help with that.
I only need a few home screens because android makes such good use of its space with widgets and such.
Overall I think im just use to sense on android. I was completely disappointed with Winmo sense.
To each their own. Both do the job well for certain people. I personally dont need exchange or calender sync
Btw I'm running shu8icraft 1.4c along with a june 11 energy rom.
radio 2.10 t-mo us (underclocked at 652mhz)
I've been a WIM user for years, absolutely loved Sense, and felt loyal to WM -but after less than 20 hours on Android I'm not going back. Microsoft has completely lost me as a user
maerdance said:
are you serious?!
ok, may be you're really not knowing better. let's grab your own words first, widgets, or better applikations in generell. every of them I tested myself so far(and those were legions... = ) ran smoove, fast und didn't ever influence any other part of the system in performance and stability in a negative way.
more, the android apps in the first place show the potential of our favorite device.
everything I used in WM, I now have a notch enough better and, that's the best, I got 1000x more ; ), 1000x more style, 1000x more flow, 1000x more effectivity
and I never need cosmetics like sense anymore
and by the way, a freeze a day, that's yesterday. if android reboots, I tell him before
it's worth it, it solves it!
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i do agree how Android has more eye candy yet still runs smoother than WM.
I do love Sense UI(and Android comes with it to on some builds) but even WM with Sense is still being ran by an out of date, sluggish OS
In windows mobile the sense graphics and overall snappiness still impresses me. Beyond that it is clunky, ugly and feels generally old. Android is just plain intuitive. It puts all the settings in the right place and spells out what everything does for you. Notifications are handled better and everything just feels like the people who created it put thought into it. Finally the apps are the icing on the cake. The android market is in full gear while WM development is on its last legs.
Well...I tried it, and went back to winmo...(did it with Energy's Android ROM)---I reloaded the previous Sense rom, and even after deleting all Android aspects of the rom, I am now plagued with problems such as:
1. Programs (file explorer, for example) not working with storage card inserted
2. sprite and pim backup fail
3. soft resets only successful if storage card is not inserted
4. Black screen of death upon going into standby mode---
did I miss something? I already reflashed twice!
I love the fact that when all of us were buying HD2 - others were saying why buy HD2 when it's outdated already cuz of WinMo 6.5... But now, nowhere to be found are peeps who were saying those things to us ... running WinMo, geting bored, switching over to Android - simply the BEAUTY!!!
I use WinMo as primary OS until it is figured out how to improve battery life - but still here and there I run Android for 2-3 days - just for fun of getting my hands on Apps
telegraph0000 said:
Well...I tried it, and went back to winmo...(did it with Energy's Android ROM)---I reloaded the previous Sense rom, and even after deleting all Android aspects of the rom, I am now plagued with problems such as:
1. Programs (file explorer, for example) not working with storage card inserted
2. sprite and pim backup fail
3. soft resets only successful if storage card is not inserted
4. Black screen of death upon going into standby mode---
did I miss something? I already reflashed twice!
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When i have removed android I never suffered any of the ill effects. Android doesnt touch the winmo files so why would it cause these things not to work.
Sounds like typical winmo stuff to me.
Did you task 29 and do a format of the sdcard.
Have to say, all the Android builds i have tried just cant match up to a speedy custom ROM on Winmo.
A good custom ROM imo is snappier, quicker and much less likely to freeze randomly.
I need to use my HD2 daily and need it to work 100% of the time - so at the moment im sticking with winmo.
Actually, I have fewer problems with Android froyostone v1 than WinMo; I find it more stable than Miri/Steve GTX (one before latest ROM) which is pretty darn stable! Had Android running for 3 days so far with no need of a reboot...that doesn't happen with WinMo. Slightly annoying that headsets (I know they work on other builds but sticking with froyostone for now) and wifi tethering doesn't work--but I am sure they will soon!
cd78 said:
Have to say, all the Android builds i have tried just cant match up to a speedy custom ROM on Winmo.
A good custom ROM imo is snappier, quicker and much less likely to freeze randomly.
I need to use my HD2 daily and need it to work 100% of the time - so at the moment im sticking with winmo.
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Are u guys still running WM7 or jumped back to android ?
Is there a option to run WM7 and android form SD card or sld I still wait to flash WM7 ?
Keeping WP7 For now - i am not sure about anyone else but i find it to be more stable compared to the android builds etc in terms of functionality and stuff - Far as running WP7 and android from sd card at the same time is concerned, i think that is not a possibility for now with the way WP7 uses the sd card upon installation -
jessesam said:
Are u guys still running WM7 or jumped back to android ?
Is there a option to run WM7 and andorid form SD card or sld I still wait to flash WM7 ?
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Not now, will keep using WP7 for while. For me, i like android more than WP7. Android can do more stuff for me than WP7. Movie playback on Android is the best, no need to do any converting to the right format.
Yeah, I'm still sticking with it.. at least for now. Having fun exploring the market and I just love the smoothness of the UI
Well, about the dual boot thing, some folks already posted about it. Here :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=913815
I personally doesn't like the idea of partitioning my beloved android sd card so I bought a new one to use with the WP7.
Will test it out for at least another week. I was running MIUI Android build from SD and it was next to perfect, switch to Android on NAND and it's been hit in miss (not that fast or stable as the SD versions)
But to cut the story short I'm keeping WP7 for now the only issues right now is the sound is way to loud, lack of apps (if you think is bad on Android its even worse on WP7 ) and the touchscreen still has issues.
all what i should say is that hd2 is a windows phone
it feels like the hd2 came home with WP7, so i'm staying for now
i will def stay with windows 7, i was a big android fan, but ever snice they ported windows 7 i fell in love with this OS.
Im going to be staying WP7 - it's works absolutely perfectly, i get no data drops, no screen freezes, and i just love the UI... sticking with it
will be going back to android tomorrow. i absolutely dislike the iphone-like OS restrictions in wp7. also, where can i turn off all those annoying animations?waiting for the animation to end when clicking something isn't much different from a lag.
ui is okay, but tbh adw launcher EX on android is better.
overall wp7 isn't as bad as i thought, but i'd prefer an open system any day.
MS really screwed up, winMO's advantage always was the open system. now android took that place, so i'll stick with it.
even a battery widget with % display is IMPOSSIBLE on wp7 because of restrictions. thats HILARIOUS..
i am not sure...wp 7 is great, runs smoth but i dont like the locked down **** (zune/no mass storage, no myphone/backup function yadayada) and i miss one important free application for me (live soccer scores for the second german bundesliga).
For the moment i will stay with wp7, cause of smooth running...maybe i will go back to win mobile....android has more disadvantages for me than the two windows versions (especially in contacts management).
When i first booted up wp7 and tried to setup/transfer files i was sure i will move back to android in less than an hour. the OS is extremely restricted.
Now im using it two days because of the smooth inverface and no time to flash. Im sure I will flash back to Android tomorrow
I'll stick with WP7 for at least a week or so, Give devs a chance to work a little magic with Roms
I love to way WP7 runs, like it was meant for this device... but I love the complete freedom of Android.
I'm most impressed by the boot time, its crazy compared to Android.
Already back to android and happy with it. For now it suits better my needs.
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I'm going to keep WP7 until Monday to show the guys at work who are interested in getting WP7 phones, them I'm straight back to Android. WP7 is worse than the iPhone.
I'm totally blinded from this smoothness of WP7.
I love the UI, especially the contacts-hub with facebook-updates and the ui-colors I can set.
Just when I think I now know every app at the marketplace, I still find one that is interesting
The boot time is excellent too.
The only things someone has to change for me, is the missing camera-autofocus, the loud speaker and the terrible battery life (lasts about half of a day with radio 2.15.50.14 and 1-2 hours of wifi, some downloads and textmessages).
I'll leave it for a while.
I'm sticking with it, everything it does it does really well. The keyboard is the best I've used by far!
I have to complete ilomilo too!
Pros...
best keyboard I have used.
data connection like stock winmo
email and msging interface is good
Plays YouTube very nicely
Interface is very smooth.
Cons..
really hate UI restrictions..
reminds more of IPhone
dislike the home screen
marketplace is bad..i mean interface
battery drained in 4 hours
In nutshell..yes back to mdj 2.4 band android tomorrow
Nice while it lasted..by the way spent 3 hours to install it and getting the activation code working
will i keep windows phone 7 on my HD2 ?
Ohh man ... i must say ... seeing windows phone on my HD2 really convinced me that this phone is a wonder in a lot of ways... just see how many OS flavours you have!
I craved windows phone since i seen it for the first time months ago ... will be keeping this one on this phone ... it just works as you like!
As the devs @ Microsoft said, it's really a deferent kind of phone!
Still using it since it was first leaked. Very nice and smooth, although i do miss android i think ill be keeping this since it is much more stable!