http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/16/sony-ericsson-x10-can-do-multitouch-after-all-will-get-android/
Beat me to it! Great news if true but so far away. Need root !
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This better be true, I dont wanna get jerked around xD
Doesn't this mean 16m colours are back on as well? As even Clearpad 2000 or whatever it was could do 16m, couldn't it?
I won't believe until i'll see it working and September is far far away.
As much as I would love to see multitouch on the X10, I think the title is a bit misleading, since the source of the engadget story is the same article that we saw a couple of days ago on the mobiles.co.uk blog.
With all these conflicting rumours floating around, I just won't believe it until I see it with my own eyes in a video.. but if this is true, I would definitely say that this will be the best Android phone to date. I'm very tempted to buy this phone, but the lack of multitouch is holding me back. This phone is lacking in input methods, since it doesn't have a trackball or d-pad either. Either multitouch or a trackball/d-pad would make a big difference.
The "source" of that statement is dodgy at best. It would of course be cool if it were true, even though I honestly don't miss it at all.
The "source" of that statement is dodgy at best.
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yes, but it's the same source that said it wouldn't ..
we'll see in 6 months ..
So, the manufacturer of the phone has said that 'multitouch' is not possible and will never be possible due to hardware and software reasons....
A sub-sub-reseller of the phone (someone in a shop) hints that the X10 is multitouch and this multitouch functionality will be released in 2.1....
Who do you believe ?
(I believe neither of them... the X10 is not multitouch, SE has told us this ! The SE blog is carefully managed by SE to release the informationthat they want us to know)
Again, THE X10 DOES NOT SUPPORT MULTITOUCH !!!
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Again, THE X10 DOES NOT SUPPORT MULTITOUCH !!!
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Course it does, SE are just keeping it close to their chests, Noone knows for sure but the X10 is too new to use a cheap ass Clearpad1000 touchscreen.
@ronnyuk
Why would SE do that?...
Judging from the source (mobiles.co.uk) of this recent news, they're just trying to get more people to buy the x10.
Does anyone else have problems accessing the actual source that engadget is linking to? I get a "Error establishing a database connection" message.
It would be pretty daft of SE to shoot themselves in the foot by stating that it doesn't and couldn't have multi-touch, only to go "Nah we were only messing with ya, of course it does" because of course by this point people will have made there choice on Droid and if multi-touch is that big a deal for them they won't won't have picked the X10, which is a shame.
If it does and can have multi-touch, awesome but bad marketing SE. People don't paticularily want or need those kinds of "suprises" when picking a phone.
Either way X10i is aswesome
For what it's worth I tweeted SonyEricssonNA about it, and they responded:
policy is to not comment on rumor or speculation...
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Found that kindof daft, as I'm asking for confirmation of the hardware specs on hardware I've already bought. Told them as much in a response and haven't heard back.
I agree, I'll believe it when I see it. But still, would be nice.
definitely bogus from my email from se yesterday.
Dear Robin,
Thank you for contacting Sony Ericsson Online Support.
In regards to your first question, the UX platform used for the XPERIA X10 will evolve to Android 2.0 over time. Sony Ericsson has always offered firmware and software upgrades as technology evolves and will offer backward compatibility with the Android 2.0 platform when we are ready.
Sony Ericsson will release an update that will address every consumer’s concerns about possible bugs that may be in the software. But I don’t know when specifically the update will be available.
As to your third question, the Xperia™X10 will not support multitouch function because it’s a hardware limitation.
If you require more information, or have any other questions, please visit our website at http://www.sonyericsson.com or call us at 1-866-766-9374.
Best regards,
Wlken
Your Sony Ericsson Online Support Representative
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I'll believe it when I see it. But still, would be nice.
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^^^ q f t.
rs0cal said:
definitely bogus from my email from se yesterday.
Dear Robin,
Thank you for contacting Sony Ericsson Online Support.
In regards to your first question, the UX platform used for the XPERIA X10 will evolve to Android 2.0 over time. Sony Ericsson has always offered firmware and software upgrades as technology evolves and will offer backward compatibility with the Android 2.0 platform when we are ready.
Sony Ericsson will release an update that will address every consumer’s concerns about possible bugs that may be in the software. But I don’t know when specifically the update will be available.
As to your third question, the Xperia™X10 will not support multitouch function because it’s a hardware limitation.
If you require more information, or have any other questions, please visit our website at http://www.sonyericsson.com or call us at 1-866-766-9374.
Best regards,
Wlken
Your Sony Ericsson Online Support Representative
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Lol, Android 2.0 not 2.1?
WTF?
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Lol, Android 2.0 not 2.1?
WTF?
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Customer Service at SE are terrible. They've been saying all sorts of contradicting things to people. It'll be 2.1 hopefully.
This is hilarious, the new rumor has once again been denied, over at the official Sony Ericsson blog: http://blogs.sonyericsson.com/produ...with-xperia-x10/comment-page-1/#comment-38068
I guess all this multitouch business is just wishfull thinking. Nothing more.
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This is hilarious, the new rumor has once again been denied, over at the official Sony Ericsson blog: http://blogs.sonyericsson.com/produ...with-xperia-x10/comment-page-1/#comment-38068
I guess all this multitouch business is just wishfull thinking. Nothing more.
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It really seems like the most likely scenario here is that because SE shipped the phone with Android 1.6 they don't want to promise anything multi-touch related, regardless of whether or not the hardware supports it. For instance, if (when) folks here at XDA root the device and figure out how to implement multitouch features (or perhaps simply install Android 2.1 successfully), and/or port over HTC's SenseUI work, or whatever, Sony's definition of "not capable" won't really match up with the hardware nerds' definition of it. My suspicion is that this is why we're seeing apprehension and denial in their reponses about it -- or at least that's what I'm hoping is happening.
We haven't gotten any sort of response that specifically indicates which model/part number/whatever touchscreen they used in the manufacture of the device, and I think that's the most frustrating part of all of this. My interest in the device has no bearing on what god-awful software Sony Ericsson delivers for it. I just want to hear that the hardware is physically capable of doing the cool stuff that the incredible development community here is almost surely aspiring to make it do.
Pretty much as I said in the other thread, at this point there is so much conflicting information from supposed 'reliable' sources that the only way to know for sure is if someone takes a set of screwdrivers to the phone, pulls it appart and looks up the actual chip details that are in there. That will confirm or deny it for definate.
At this point i wouldnt be surprsed if the answer was that both points of view were correct that some of them can do it and some cant!
Also the same can kind of be said for the software, until we get the update we may not know for definate it will be 2.0 or 2.1 so there is not much point in all this wild speculation!
Lets just sit back, chill and enjoy and awesome phone
It wouldn't make sense for sony ericsson to not admit to a feature that people want. The x10 is popular regardless of the lack of a multi touch feature and even though there are a stack of better spec'd phones just from HTC alone, it continues to sell.
The Japanese market has had amazing feature phones and smart phones a like and they have gone crazy for it. I think SE have been very calculated and has always aimed to hit two birds with one stone.
Build a beautiful phone on a good enough platform so they don't have to worry too much about the software and finally make more profit while they're at it.
Imagine if it had an amoled screen and multi touch
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I'm sure a lot of you guys saw this Engadget article talking about how the Xperia X10 is missing multitouch at a hardware level. I'm sorta hoping that the SE project manager is just trying to throw people off the trail, and that maybe the phone secretly uses touchscreen hardware similar to the Nexus One's or any of the other Android phones that "didn't have multitouch" but managed to show up with it later.
Obviously it's a bit early to expect folks to have played around with the device yet, but I'm very interested. If we can pin down for sure whether or not the hardware supports multitouch, that would be a nice thing to know.
Another thought SE is not talking about multi touch ....
Isn't it being owned by Apple?
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Another thought SE is not talking about multi touch ....
Isn't it being owned by Apple?
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They don't talk about anything more or less. They have said that the X10 isn't capable of more than one press at a time. No deal breaker for me though.
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They don't talk about anything more or less. They have said that the X10 isn't capable of more than one press at a time. No deal breaker for me though.
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I agree, i've used the phone for 2 weeks and don't miss multitouch. It isn't THAT important...
It's no deal breaker at the moment, but i must admit every now and again i wish it had it.
It seemed like an instinctual way to zoom in/out of browser,emails,maps,docs.
However I actually find myself using this handset more in portrait than landscape and the zooming keys and box works fine.
I think as android's gaming platform develops it will become a more of a requirement.
I was playing a fighting game on the iphone recently and was able activate special moves by pressing two buttons simultaneously.
Oh well, as long as they don't disappoint with the 16m colours and 2.1 multitouch can be overlooked for now.
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I think as android's gaming platform develops it will become a more of a requirement.
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I agree but there is still a very long way to go. Maybe by the time we hit 3.0 and Qualcomm replace the aging ATi gfx core in their Snapdragon SoC later this year. But by that time i'll have moved on and away from the X10 They only last 4-7 months for me
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Same goes for me as well I'm already eyeing up the Desire, Iphone 4g and the EVO (If UK bound).
Umm, it was confirmed by Sony early last week (Sumit Malhotra confirms no MT):
Back in November, I posted that X10 will not support multi touch functionality at launch, but will be considered for the future. I can appreciate that even though there wasn´t a commitment, such wording both creates expectations (small or big) on future support and implies restrictions on software side.
That is the information I had in hand at that point of time. I am well aware that you rate multi touch functionality very high and therefore I regret to inform you that X10 screen hardware does not register simultaneous entries. Meaning even though we will upgrade the underlying operating system in relation to upgrading our user experience layer, X10 will not support multi touch functionality. We believe that it is important for you who follow this blog to be clear on that, which is the reason why I want to confirm Rikard’s comment.
We are working on alternative solutions for certain use cases, like zooming. I will share more details about that initiative once confirmed.
Due to vendor understanding and agreements, we don´t discuss in detail regarding hardware specifications. Having said that, X10 is upgradable and as earlier described there will be significant value offered through upgrades. X10 is about to reach stores and early consumer feedback is very positive, also highlighting room for improvement which we will share in due time.
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Sumit
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Seeing the damage that has resulted from this confirmation (many potential buyers have decided to go with other phones instead), I can't see why SE would have made this statement if it were untrue.
Have worked with a few companies over the years who have made big official statements like this which actually turned out to be wrong, unless someone looks under the hood and checks the hardware themsevles i'd take it with a pinch of salt.
NB. I'm not deluding myself in anyway or building up false hope, I love this phone and it would be nice to have multi touch but i'm not overly bothered!
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Have worked with a few companies over the years who have made big official statements like this which actually turned out to be wrong, unless someone looks under the hood and checks the hardware themsevles i'd take it with a pinch of salt.
NB. I'm not deluding myself in anyway or building up false hope, I love this phone and it would be nice to have multi touch but i'm not overly bothered!
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Yeah, agreed. If it turns out that the X10 has dual touch I'd be really happy! But it doesn't really matter.
who cares?????>?
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who cares?????>?
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People playing games?
Browsing through /dev/input i found a udex 244:0 es209ra touch controller and startet to google that, ...
Someone in Japan is trying to get further information about single/multitouch of that chip/driver ...
http://translate.googleusercontent....&twu=1&usg=ALkJrhhpQRfyYSHH9UxvdJN5GjYIccswTA
i didnt really get the clue reading that article, ...
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The X10 might get multi-touch. It is still being considered. hxxp://blogs.sonyericsson.com/products/2009/11/05/answers-to-some-of-your-questions/ (first question)
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The X10 might get multi-touch. It is still being considered. hxxp://blogs.sonyericsson.com/products/2009/11/05/answers-to-some-of-your-questions/ (first question)
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That's old.
From last year.
IF you google it you will see, another SE rep said is a hardware issue and X10 will never have MT.
Only one thing will help (outside of games ofcourse): GESTURES but i don't think X10 will get global gestures (not application based) either
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That's old.
From last year.
IF you google it you will see, another SE rep said is a hardware issue and X10 will never have MT.
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Yeah no kidding. The article I linked in the OP says this, even -- and it's much newer than that blog post.
Does anyone believe that whether X10 have multi touch or not will ultimately depends on the lawsuit between Apple and HTC? It is obvious that Apple is suing HTC for patents infringement and multi-touch is one of them.
It is only right that SE don't depend/consider on the multi touch for now. Wait for the case to settle and announce accordingly. Agreed?
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Does anyone believe that whether X10 have multi touch or not will ultimately depends on the lawsuit between Apple and HTC? It is obvious that Apple is suing HTC for patents infringement and multi-touch is one of them.
It is only right that SE don't depend/consider on the multi touch for now. Wait for the case to settle and announce accordingly. Agreed?
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I agree, I think SE is trying new ways of 'zooming' (allthough MT is not all about zooming) to not get in trouble with Apple in the USA. They could introduce MT in Europe though as Apples MT patent only applies in the USA. However then they should come up with two solutions, one for USA, one for example for Europe and that would probably be to much work...
With all the bad press they received with regards to the multitouch (MT). I now believe it is hardware as SE have not tried to defend themselves.
They have actually confirmed that the hardware doesn't support MT. So it sounds as though they opted for the clearpad 1000.
The only thing that unsettles me is that when I spoke to SE direct 2-4 weeks before launch, the rep was confident that the issue was software based.
It wasn't until the SE Blog broke the news that the reps at SE changed their minds and said that it would never support MT.
I mean the Droid wasn't multi touch in the US but the UK variant was. This was all down to software, but the X10 issue somehow feels different.
My next big fear is colour support 65k, 252k or 16m. Another issue that was confirmed as a software limitation. Android 1.6 being the limiting factor to 65k.
I was told by SE 2.1 would bring 16m. However I have also heard that the actual screen supports only 252K. I'm still non the wiser.
Yea, the 65k is another problem.
SE didn't say anything about that so, is a big chance to have more than 65k after android upgrade but even if it won't have, we can't do anything about it as we will (or already did) buy a phone with 65k
This is what is written in specs
It works with google maps, check it out
forums.se-nse.net/topic/49197-the-x10-saga-episode-vi-the-return-of-multi-touch
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It works with google maps, check it out
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No it doesn't.
Rather than repeat the truth, I'll simply point you to the comments on the link you provided.
Is a little bug of google maps.
i would think bug or not it does show that its capable. i have tried and it is glitchy but has worked, st least the zooming in part
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I read somewhere around here that it only works for zooming in and that is due to the screen missreading the pinch gesture as a doubble tap. I would have liked pinch function in this phone but i guess it's true, you can't have it all.. Other then that it still seems like a really great peice of machine (still wating to get mine, 1-2 weeks left :'(.. )
well its a bug.. sum times it zooms even with one finger..
also it cannot zoomout....
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hey fanboys
http://phandroid.com/2010/04/21/xperia-x10-with-multi-touch-support-maybe-video/
[UPDATE]: In response to the speculation as to whether or not the X10 will ever receive multi-touch, Eric de Kort of Sony Ericsson gave this succinct statement:
“Multi-touch will not be a feature in future updates for the Sony Ericsson Xperia X10 because the device does not support multi-touch due to her software and hardware configuration. The operation and user experience of the phone will be further improved and Sony Ericsson will come with her own intuitive way of, for example, zooming in and out.”
I guess that settles that once and for all.
Mod, please remove this thread, the video is a fake! I just did close examination of it. Their is no multi touch!
well video may not be fake.. i tried pinching on google maps and it did work.
but the fact is tht its not multi touch. neither the hardware nor 1.6 supports multitouch.. its a bug in maps tht recognised multitouch as double tap...
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There's nothing fake about that video, I can do the same with the application 'Rainy Days'.... But just because you can do something which looks like 'pinch and zoom' does not mean the phone has multi-touch, for one reason Android 1.6 does not support it, and the hardware screen of the X10 does not support it.... In regards to the video, why would you want to use two fingers when the appication allows you to do the same with one finger tip ?)
But it would be good if SE would not make us wait until September for their version of 'multitouch'....long hold zoom... which would suit me fine as I normally use my phone one-handed..
http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/16/sony-ericsson-x10-can-do-multitouch-after-all-will-get-android/
So what is all this about.
Bloke
bloke said:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/16/sony-ericsson-x10-can-do-multitouch-after-all-will-get-android/
So what is all this about.
Bloke
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This is a website listening to a third party reseller of the X10 and convienently ignoring the X10 product managers who actually designed and produced the thing.
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This is a website listening to a third party reseller of the X10 and convienently ignoring the X10 product managers who actually designed and produced the thing.
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I guess we will just have to wait till its rooted and somebody sticks 2.1 on it
Bloke
...no need 'cause it ain't got it....
it worked for me but seems like it just confusing it as a quick tap. As for all the confusion about multi-touch. The only way we'll find out is by rooting it which might takes some time. We shouldn't take official news seriously, they hardly know what they're talking about. An example is that the new iphone 4.0 os with multi-tasking has been proven to work on older models of ipod touch and iphone while Apple claims it would only be available for the iphone 3gs.
I also been reading a lot about Sony using Clearpad Technology but haven't found anyone with proof. I know that Sony was working on their own multi-touch technology. Makes more sense that they will use their own technology.
Everyone has their own agenda, the SE officials claiming no multi-touch might be trying to prevent a lawsuit from Apple. The sales department claiming it does obviously wants you to buy the phone. Lets just wait....you can show your proof but quit arguing.
Google "Sony goes Multi-touch too" and you'll see a link from ubergizmos, and you'll see the japanese press conference about the multi touch technology.
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it worked for me but seems like it just confusing it as a quick tap. As for all the confusion about multi-touch. The only way we'll find out is by rooting it which might takes some time. We shouldn't take official news seriously, they hardly know what they're talking about.
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There is no confusion as the manufacturer has explained what the X10 will or will not do...
They are the ones who designed it and confirmed it doesn't have multitouch, so who is more qualified to report this ? Them or a mobile phone reseller who have a vested interested to sell the phones and Engadget who just report what others have said.... Or some bloke on Youtube pretending it does something it doesn't.
The X10 does not have multitouch ! After having had an X10 for a few weeks I am learning to live without it.
(BTW Sony and Sony Ericsson are not the same company)
I recently installed the HTC hero mod keyboard for my x10 and I don't even care about multi-touch no more. I suggest everyone to do the same, I'm typing way faster than I was on the iphone with less typos as well.
I'm not going to believe no one except when the root come. Manufacturer always claim what a product will do or not do. Examples include multitasking on older iphones, Video recording on older iphones, even Playstation 3 slim with no other os feature (The famous geohot believes it just a software switch).
The X10 might or might not have it. I think we should wait for proof from the consumers/hacker side before we make a statement.
Sony Ericsson is a joint company of Sony and Ericsson, Yes I know that but if you googled and read the article, you'll see that Sony had plans of implementing it into phones and not the mention that the technology was shown on an 3.5 inch display which were the standard were smartphones.
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This is a website listening to a third party reseller of the X10 and convienently ignoring the X10 product managers who actually designed and produced the thing.
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This is exactly it. They never should've published this unsubstantiated 3rd party rumor in the first place. SE had already stated the X10 was hardware MT incapable.
I'm curious... why are so many people so hung up on MT? Surely it isn't the pinnacle of "zooming in and out" technology?
Surely.. some creative whiz with a penchant for computer human interaction can beat it? I've seen a few "mono-touch" zooming options that work quite well.. dolphin browser long touch position sensitive "-"; "page"; "gesture; "+" system works a treat... if I had that for all zooming.. then I'd be very happy!
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I recently installed the HTC hero mod keyboard for my x10 and I don't even care about multi-touch no more. I suggest everyone to do the same, I'm typing way faster than I was on the iphone with less typos as well.
I'm not going to believe no one except when the root come. Manufacturer always claim what a product will do or not do. Examples include multitasking on older iphones, Video recording on older iphones, even Playstation 3 slim with no other os feature (The famous geohot believes it just a software switch).
The X10 might or might not have it. I think we should wait for proof from the consumers/hacker side before we make a statement.
Sony Ericsson is a joint company of Sony and Ericsson, Yes I know that but if you googled and read the article, you'll see that Sony had plans of implementing it into phones and not the mention that the technology was shown on an 3.5 inch display which were the standard were smartphones.
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Or you could just get Swype and ditch tradition text input all together.
Personally, I do not care one bit about multitouch. Not a big fan of it anyhow. Yes I have used it on my magic, and also have been frustrated by it equally as much. Knowing it will never come does no sway my happiness about this phone one bit.
Hi Folks,
i had a Sony Ericsson representative in our Store, and what he could say was that the Android Update ( in Germany ? ) comes on Q3 this year.
What he also said was that the Multitouch issue is not a hardware problem, it is more a patent problem and sony is waiting till things are cleared out.
So the display IS Multitouch capable, Andoid 2.1 could activate it, but sony could still lock the multitouch feature ( in their own ROM's of course ) if their staff thinks it is better than getting sued.
Kind regards
notimpyet
If it is true that the display supports MT, we will know it when it is possible to root out the X10, because we will be able to install him roms cooked with the activated multitouch.
You'll forgive us if we take this with a large helping of natrium chloride.
They have successfully rooted the x10, but i haven't seen any MT addon. Can someone point me in the right direction?
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They have successfully rooted the x10, but i haven't seen any MT addon. Can someone point me in the right direction?
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Sure, I will point you in the right direction: go to your favorite phone store, and buy an HTC Desire. Now you will have multitouch.
Informative Post !
Bravo.
Currently we have only "cracked" the ROM and not the Bootloader. Therefore we still cannot proof MT-Capabilities.
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MoS-tekknix
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Sure, I will point you in the right direction: go to your favorite phone store, and buy an HTC Desire. Now you will have multitouch.
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BRAVO ! I dont want to be rude but it is really interesting how people can be amazingly stupid and ask that multitouch question every day and when they see that SE has said that there will be NO MULTITOUCH EVER ON X10 !!!!!!!!!!!!! they still ask day after...
What i would like to see is an implementation of the really nice one-finger-zoom! They obviously developed it, now gief us ze goodies!
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So some SE representative knows better than SE product manager Rikard Skogberg, who in a thread in their product blog said: "There's no multitouch in X10 – and I also can confirm that it's not only related to [software] but also to [hardware]".
Cant we just stop with these threads about something thats just not there... It would have been gr8, but its not there, and will never be. So stop these posts about it.....
They even said that for the Mini but the Mini is hardware capable as was seen.
Ok i give up Go and get all excited, but dont blame SE, if it turns out it doesnt support it...
se_dude - Who's shown that the mini is h/w capable? I've not seen that?
Also regarding the MT questions on x10.. it's a bit like that film - Sixth Sense.. Except it's "I see stupid people".. they're everywhere.. we have get used to it!
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se_dude - Who's shown that the mini is h/w capable? I've not seen that?
Also regarding the MT questions on x10.. it's a bit like that film - Sixth Sense.. Except it's "I see stupid people".. they're everywhere.. we have get used to it!
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se_dude - Who's shown that the mini is h/w capable? I've not seen that?
Also regarding the MT questions on x10.. it's a bit like that film - Sixth Sense.. Except it's "I see stupid people".. they're everywhere.. we have get used to it!
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the mini uses a synaptics cleartouch, so it is definitely mt capable
http://se-blog.com/exclusive-x10-mini-supports-multi-touch/
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Straight from the horses mouth, it does not support multitouch. It's supports dualtouch which technically isn't multitouch.
Well, the HTC desire uses the same display sensor.
Hi Folks,
i had a Sony Ericsson representative in our Country, and what he could say was that the Android Update ( on Earth? ) comes on Q3 this year.
What he also said was that the phone can friggin' print money. It can produce and island and transform into an airplane and fly you there. And it can grant you 3 wishes which 1 of them can get you multitouch.
So the display IS Multitouch capable, but you'll have to wait for the wishing app to be activated.
Kind regards
notanotherwhineaboutnotmultitouch
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And that device doesn't fit the technical definition of multitouch either. The point is that SE is completely correct, from a technical standpoint, in stating that the X10 mini doesn't support multitouch.
Both the X10 and Desire support dualtouch which you can colloquially call multitouch but it's not multitouch according to the technical definition. So both SE and HTC are correct regarding their statement of multitouch suppport in their devices. HTC is correct from a layman's perspective whereas SE is correct from a technical point of view.
So people can bleet on all they want, SE is completely correct in stating that the X10 Mini does not support multitouch and no amount of angry mails and forumposts is going to change that.
I heard root activated the "Bad Touch", confirm/deny?
I've been single for a few months now, and I get lonely every now and then....
I'm a big SE fan, but this somehow makes me smile....
www.businessweek.com/news/2010-09-0...e-world-s-largest-android-phone-supplier.html
Haha Darn! you beat me by a minute!
It'll be the Japanese market.. the X10 is more popular than air over there..!!!!
More like Android 1.6's largest handset maker
yeah and i want to become worlds greatest dictator
I wouldn't dismiss the idea that quickly. Here in Sweden SE is a very popular brand and by the looks of it they're popular in Japan as well. If they decide to go with Android on all their future phones and start marketing them more aggressively in the US they have a chance. They have the production capacity for it, they're well known and even if all models aren't fantastic there's no denying the build quality of their devices. Even though I've passed up SE phones because of their crappy software I've always been impressed by how well built and solid their phones feel.
With good marketing and if they get better at working on Android their chances are pretty good. They have the infrastructure to reach that goal, that goes a long way.
Yes, but you must agree that their android software department need to be improved in order to reach that goal...
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Yes, but you must agree that their android software department need to be improved in order to reach that goal...
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Agreed, but keep in mind that the X10 series is the first time SE has used it. I'd be more worried or surprised if there weren't any bumps in the road.
Just looking at the updates we've had so far they've improved a lot. Fixing the battery issue, improving the built-in software and so on.
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Agreed, but keep in mind that the X10 series is the first time SE has used it. I'd be more worried or surprised if there weren't any bumps in the road.
Just looking at the updates we've had so far they've improved a lot. Fixing the battery issue, improving the built-in software and so on.
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dude its not about flaws in their software ... its about how they handle it ...
the incall volume is so ****ed up for a lot of people - when you talk to the customer support they tell you something like this "for me its okay - if you dont like it you can send your phone in" their official support form is full with topics about it ... same goes for the standby time ... it says 17 days on their homepage ... i asked customer support about it and he told me my phone must be damaged - i can send it in ... (he also said he gets 3 days of standy - i am pretty sure it doesnt even last 17 days when you turn it completely off^^)
i knew the support would suck ... but the hardware is quite good (besides from the lack of multitouch) - i just bought it coz i have faith in the community that they ll release custom roms soon
SE has released only one(3 version of same) android phone in the market in past 2 years when HTC has released atleast 4 or 5 and plus they are upto 2.2 on most of their phones. I don't think SE can catch to them any time soon just based ads showing Timescape
SE ship twie the number of phones as compared to HTC having come down from a stage where they shipped 6x more phones. So they are pretty capable as we all know. Now with Sony into the mix, SE phones would have PS3 compatibility, remote play, access to Sonys own online store, access to more Sony brands like VAIO, BRAVIA, etc. Well..
Sony has been associated with Ericsson for ages (from an IT time perspective) so one would think they'd at least be nipping at Nokia's heels by now. But who knows? Maybe Android will be the push they need to pump some much needed energy in to the brand? Time will tell, as long as they don't ditch Android I'll stay satisfied.
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More like Android 1.6's largest handset maker
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right 100%
Yeah that'll only happen if the secret owner of Sony Ericsson is Chuck Norris... cause only Chuck Norris can make that happen..! lol
They sure have the hardware capacity to get it done, but they are just so stupid and arrogant that I do not think it'll ever happen.
If they're serious, I'd swap in the current software department for some new blood.
It's really crazy how companies nowadays can't even get simple things done right.
As the old saying goes... "too many chiefs and not enough indians".
Until SE gets their act together and stops all the internal bickering and movement within the ranks, this will never be a realistic goal for them to achieve.
I think it's time we eased up on slamming SE. Since we don't actually know how the process works internally it's unpossible to tell if they're just lazy, they're still getting used to a new product line or any other unforeseen problem for that sake.
I intentionally refrain from calling them incompetent simply because my experiences with their products in the past has been great and I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt.
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I think it's time we eased up on slamming SE. Since we don't actually know how the process works internally it's unpossible to tell if they're just lazy, they're still getting used to a new product line or any other unforeseen problem for that sake.
I intentionally refrain from calling them incompetent simply because my experiences with their products in the past has been great and I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt.
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I agree with your statement. We don't really know the reason. I read it in some post somewhere else that it's ready, but they want to test it thoroughly before releasing to the general public...
Whoever is responsible for being so slow to update, I somehow doubt that it's their developers. They are just doing what they are told by management. If Sonys developers are anything like other software devs I know they are not too happy with releasing their product with 1.6 instead of 2.1 or 2.2...
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Impossimpable! (Hope someone gets it - HIMYM).
jk btw don't take badly
This solidifies my view that SE and Samsung are the only two mobile companies I can trust. That said, you never know...no one is 100% safe.
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toinkzzzz. what a evil company..
ACCESS_COARSE_LOCATION Allows an application to access coarse (e.g., Cell-ID, WiFi) location
ACCESS_FINE_LOCATION Allows an application to access fine (e.g., GPS) location
ACCESS_LOCATION_EXTRA_COMMANDS Allows an application to access extra location provider commands
ACCESS_WIFI_STATE Allows applications to access information about Wi-Fi networks
BATTERY_STATS Allows an application to collect battery statistics
DUMP Allows an application to retrieve state dump information from system services.
GET_ACCOUNTS Allows access to the list of accounts in the Accounts Service
GET_PACKAGE_SIZE Allows an application to find out the space used by any package.
GET_TASKS Allows an application to get information about the currently or recently running tasks: a thumbnail representation of the tasks, what activities are running in it, etc.
READ_LOGS Allows an application to read the low-level system log files.
READ_SYNC_SETTINGS Allows applications to read the sync settings
READ_SYNC_STATS Allows applications to read the sync stats
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thats what the hack does .
is any of that worrying ? i dont care if some one finds out my gmail syncs every 15 min or if they now i have recharged my battery 500 times so far? or what cell phone tower or wi-fi im connected to?
like trying to over blow something much? problem yes but not the end of the world
I'm not denying this is bad, but I hardly think se is "trustworthy" with their amazing support track record... Lol
Oh we just put out a phone two months ago and we don't feel like updating it any more, so we won't!
I dont think thats the problem.
I think if HTC can do it somebody else can read out the phone's also.
Like passwords en other information.
There is a service on the phone where if you lose your phone you can remote locate it and wipe it.
I'd say these "apps" have something to do with that.
That's not what this app is for, it's specifically for HTC to get log information, probably for either remote support of their devices or when people send them to service centres. The problem with this is that they have left the whole interface totally open to any person or app that fancies having a look and gathering user data which probably will be sensitive.
Not at least securing it with basic authentication is just plain stupid. Although it would have to be more advanced than a simple user/pass.
Surprised that they haven't been taken to court on data protection issues. Although I wouldn't be surprised to see that coming fairly soon.
All they needed to do, would be to secure this app properly and encrypt the data its logging and they woulld be safe.
Sounds to me like the htc developers were told to implement it and had a very short turnaround to get it into the latest release. Hoping once again for obscurity, which in an open source project is daft!
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I'm not denying this is bad, but I hardly think se is "trustworthy" with their amazing support track record... Lol
Oh we just put out a phone two months ago and we don't feel like updating it any more, so we won't!
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Stop living in 2010...SE are a different company. In fact, they gave GB to the 1.5 year old X10 and they are supporting all new 2011 Xperias. Yes SE made a mistake but people learn from their mistakes and SE did.
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Stop living in 2010...SE are a different company. In fact, they gave GB to the 1.5 year old X10 and they are supporting all new 2011 Xperias. Yes SE made a mistake but people learn from their mistakes and SE did.
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Haha we'll see...
I bet x10 mini owners wouldn't agree with you.
They've been doing this same stuff for years.
scoobysnacks said:
Haha we'll see...
I bet x10 mini owners wouldn't agree with you.
They've been doing this same stuff for years.
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That counts as 2010. All the original X10 branded devices and the X8. The new 2011 lineup has been maintained pretty well.
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That counts as 2010. All the original X10 branded devices and the X8. The new 2011 lineup has been maintained pretty well.
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So then it is ok for them not to correct that mistake?
Not doing anything about it is supposed to be evidence of changing?
Sorry but I don't get that..
scoobysnacks said:
So then it is ok for them not to correct that mistake?
Not doing anything about it is supposed to be evidence of changing?
Sorry but I don't get that..
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They are...just with the 2011 Xperia range. Why would they update such an 'old' phone? There's no reason to. The X10 they did because it was their flagship, the others were their sideline devices. Do I agree with them for not updating? No. But updating right now is kind of pointless...
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They are...just with the 2011 Xperia range. Why would they update such an 'old' phone? There's no reason to. The X10 they did because it was their flagship, the others were their sideline devices. Do I agree with them for not updating? No. But updating right now is kind of pointless...
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Lol
This kind of logic is pretty ridiculous IMO, and only leads to more "well they didn't upgrade the Neo because it isn't the arc", etc..
They should upgrade to keep customers as customers...
There are reasons they are doing pretty horribly, they don't have a very good reputation.
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Lol
This kind of logic is pretty ridiculous IMO, and only leads to more "well they didn't upgrade the Neo because it isn't the arc", etc..
They should upgrade to keep customers as customers...
There are reasons they are doing pretty horribly, they don't have a very good reputation.
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The phones are a year old...even HTC cut off support for the Desire, etc.
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The phones are a year old...even HTC cut off support for the Desire, etc.
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when they released it was already behind on 1.6..
Then they catch up (not even really) and turn around and stop updating..
I don't think se have proven to be trustworthy at all actually.
Like I said, we'll see.
The whole arc housing cracking and se refusing to take any responsibility doesn't show me a changed company either
scoobysnacks said:
when they released it was already behind on 1.6..
Then they catch up (not even really) and turn around and stop updating..
I don't think se have proven to be trustworthy at all actually.
Like I said, we'll see.
The whole arc housing cracking and se refusing to take any responsibility doesn't show me a changed company either
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Since you're a SE hater even if they do take responsibility, you'll just complain again & say things like it's not genuine & they're doing it just to stay afloat... , Any company have its problems & dunno why you just bash SE, Motorola phones are locked down, HTC well this topic and not to mention their desire gb update , Samsung is doing good but even their best phone which is your favorite sg2 had problems like that yellow thing in screen like someone pissed under the lcd hehe so don't just bash SE and X10 for the sake of it
Lol guys.
Iridaki was right lol scoobysnacks now thinks that buying this Sony Ericsson phone was a bad mistake lol
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Since you're a SE hater even if they do take responsibility, you'll just complain again & say things like it's not genuine & they're doing it just to stay afloat... , Any company have its problems & dunno why you just bash SE, Motorola phones are locked down, HTC well this topic and not to mention their desire gb update , Samsung is doing good but even their best phone which is your favorite sg2 had problems like that yellow thing in screen like someone pissed under the lcd hehe so don't just bash SE and X10 for the sake of it
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whatever you want to think, i'm not a hater, i'm just not a fanboy either.
I have owned many brands of phones, but I felt the worst treatment from se.
Just my opinion, you're entitled to you're own as well. No need to get personal..
I do agree on some points with scooby, they have had a long history of sell it and forget it. But, they do seem to finally be realising that having great and stylish devices (even if the hardware has been a little okish instead of groundbreaking recently) isn't enough and they need to keep devices up to date and to engage with their customers.
You can tell they are changing with the single biggest thing they have done recently and supporting the FXP team with the tools to get full functions from their devices.
I know that doesn't help with us who have older devices, but by supporting FXP they are indirectly supporting the "other" 2010 models just in effect outsourcing the upkeep and ongoing development to the community who will support the devices until they are not in such widespread use.
scoobysnacks said:
whatever you want to think, i'm not a hater, i'm just not a fanboy either.
I have owned many brands of phones, but I felt the worst treatment from se.
Just my opinion, you're entitled to you're own as well. No need to get personal..
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why personal? because I said you're a SE hater? you mean you aren't? I don't want to get personal or offend you, I just stated what I observed from reading your posts after you switched from X10, I bet you liked your X10 when you had it but know that you're moved to a better phone no need to use every single opportunity to bash SE & X10, Every time anyone says anything good about X10 you jump in with your "yeah, right, lol" attitude & try to make fun & bash SE & X10, I'm not a fanboy nor do I think it's the best phone out there & you have the right to express your opinion but you're trying hard to convince everyone here that SE & X10 is ****, Well I think most of us don't agree that it's **** & terrible & most of us know about its problems but like the phone & don't feel really good about just pointing out its cons over & over again
as for companies well imo none of them are really trustworthy, they're doing business & do it for money, None of them are charity or anything, so better to just judge them base on what they do & not why they do it