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New G2 Touch (Hero) - need your help.

Hi guys,
I have got my G2 Touch (Hero) sat at home waiting for me and cannot wait to get back and play with it.
I was hoping you guys could help me with the following questions though:
1. How do I know if I should bother rooting it or not? If I root at a later date will I lose all of my other stuff on the phone?
2. How do I know if I have Donut on my phone and if I don't, should I root first or update to donut first?
3. Is there a list of "mush have apps" on the forum... I've spent all day reading articles on "must haves" but was hoping for "real life" feedback from you guys on what I must get.
Thanks
G

gk141054 said:
Hi guys,
I have got my G2 Touch (Hero) sat at home waiting for me and cannot wait to get back and play with it.
I was hoping you guys could help me with the following questions though:
1. How do I know if I should bother rooting it or not? If I root at a later date will I lose all of my other stuff on the phone?
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be prepared to wipe everything, as this is the solution for 95% of all problems (people not wiping before upgrade). don't you dare to ask for help before you wiped and reflashed afaik you can get root access without wiping, but i am pretty sure you are going to want a custom rom like modacos rom, and this almost inevitably means you have to wipe.
in q&a there is a thread for what you can do with root. it is not really complete, another try is to search for "root" in the market. most applications that need root access are found by this, so you can see what you could do if you where rooted.
gk141054 said:
2. How do I know if I have Donut on my phone and if I don't, should I root first or update to donut first?
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easy one. there is no donut rom for hero (except for a custom one here on the forum, which does not _really_ work), so you don't have it on your phone. imho: don't bother updating to donut rom, unless you know what you are doing.
gk141054 said:
3. Is there a list of "mush have apps" on the forum... I've spent all day reading articles on "must haves" but was hoping for "real life" feedback from you guys on what I must get.
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what about the thread called "must have apps on your Hero" here in the themes&applications section? i don't think it will get any better than that... you need to do the reading yourself, you won't find a post that says "here is a zip with the ten apps you need to be happy" (well maybe you will find it, but i doubt that actually will be happy with it).
gk141054 said:
Thanks
G
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you're welcome.

Hi kendong2, thanks for the response...
I have read about this update on tmobile's website...
http://support.t-mobile.co.uk/help-and-support/index?page=home&cat=SOFTWAREDOWNLOADS&tab=2
If this isn't the Donut update, is it just an updated version of the original rom?

gk141054 said:
If this isn't the Donut update, is it just an updated version of the original rom?
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It isn't Donut - it is just the T-Mobile version of the 2.73 ROM. Since your phone is very new, it probably already has it anyway, but to check go to Menu-> Settings -> About Phone, and check the build number. If it starts 2.73, you've already got the updated ROM.
If you get a 1.xx build number, my advice would be *not* to install the T-Mobile update as it will make it much harder for you to move to a custom ROM at a later date. You should download and install a generic 2.73 that has been pre-rooted.
Regards,
Dave

foxmeister said:
You should download and install a generic 2.73 that has been pre-rooted.
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or start with modaco right away

Hi again guys...
Checked my Touch last night and it is on 1.76
I'm a bit weary about rooting and installing generic / custom roms for fear of voiding the warranty and then owning a £500 brick...
Will updating to 2.73 from tmobile really make it harder to move to a custom rom later....?

gk141054 said:
Will updating to 2.73 from tmobile really make it harder to move to a custom rom later....?
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Put it this way -if you upgrade to 2.73 via the T-Mobile RUU, in order to move to a custom ROM in future you will have to "downgrade" to a generic HTC 2.73 ROM via a Goldcard (see here) which is much more complicated when you've already got a ROM on your phone which is "exploitable".
The other thing you should bear in mind is that when Android 2.0 is released for the Hero, it will likely first come out as a ROM for unbranded phones with operator branded versions following some time later. This is what happened when 2.73 was released, and T-Mobile in particular was quite tardy in getting its own version out.
So, if you want to go to Android 2.0 sooner rather than later, you should look at a non-T-Mobile version of 2.73 now.
Regards,
Dave

Thanks very much for the advice guys, going to do as you suggested.
Unfortunately I have more questions though:
1. to load the generic 2.73 I just "oneclickroot" (found the video on youtube to follow) and then download the theme and rename it "update.zip" put this onto your memory card, turn off your phone then press and hold the "home" button while pressing the power button.... keep the "home" button down until you get to the recovery screen then select flash the update.zip as you would a rom. Is that right or have I missed anything?
2. Having a Tmobile G2 Touch rather than a Hero won't make any difference to the rom that I choose will it?
3. Will putting a new rom on lose my contacts or widgets / scenes etc?
4. Can you recommend a nice rom to go for, like what you guys are using? Want it to look nice, be stable but fast
Cheers again for the help guys.

Answers!
1. Can't help here as I didn't use the one-click method.
2. No.
3. Yes. However, if you've synced your contacts to Google, you will get them back again once you set the phone up again.
4. Modaco - nuff said.
Regards,
Dave

For a newbie I can recommend 'the unlockr'-Google it- they have easy to follow vids for rooting and flashing roms for the hero. It's really easy and you won't brick your phone if you have half a brain cell.

G1 1.6 official firmware

I have a question I've been trying to resolve looking through the threads and have been unable:
I have a g1 that's rooted running android 1.5, and from what I can tell its either on the official t-mobile firmware or the developers firmware... I want to upgrade to android 1.6 mostly just for the text to voice and the voice navigation in google maps. I don't really want to load custom roms though... Is there anyway to load into android 1.6 and keep root, but have everything else the standard firmware?

developer.htc.com/adp.html
You can grab the official ADP1v1.6 firmware and write that to your device for a stock-but-root system image. (note: stupid people will tell you that it doesn't have root. They are incorrect, it most definitely DOES.)

lbcoder said:
developer.htc.com/adp.html
You can grab the official ADP1v1.6 firmware and write that to your device for a stock-but-root system image. (note: stupid people will tell you that it doesn't have root. They are incorrect, it most definitely DOES.)
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It just gives the impression of not having root by flashing the stock recovery (which many people consider root for some reason)

oh lovely, after following those steps. The radio went fine the phone rebooted fine, but after the recovery image, the phone hangs on the android screen for a long time, and then pops up with continues force close error messages. I also can no longer boot into recovery it gives me a picture of a phone with an exclamation point.
Anyone have any ideas?

oh n/m. That exclamation point screen was in fact the recovery screen, it was different before i installed this. I formatted the memory card and wiped the data, and that seemed to do the trick, I'm up and running in 1.6 developers build. thanks guys =-)

Yeah, when I read your previous message I was about to suggest that...

Newbie-ish question
Hey all,
I know this sound a bit amateur, but I was just wondering if it were possible to flash the same G1 Dev Rom onto my Rogers HTC Dream running the newest "perfect" firmware. I would imagine that the HTC one is officially signed so the phone wouldn't have any trouble accepting this...can anyone confirm? I just wanted to make sure before I go ahead and do anything as I'm new to the whole Android thing. Thanks!

n64_ali said:
Hey all,
I know this sound a bit amateur, but I was just wondering if it were possible to flash the same G1 Dev Rom onto my Rogers HTC Dream running the newest "perfect" firmware. I would imagine that the HTC one is officially signed so the phone wouldn't have any trouble accepting this...can anyone confirm? I just wanted to make sure before I go ahead and do anything as I'm new to the whole Android thing. Thanks!
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You're right. You're definitely an amateur
1) There is *no such thing* as a "G1 Dev". There is an "Android Dev Phone 1" (aka "ADP1"). G1 and ADP1 are both HTC DREAM, as is the thing that was sold by robbers (although the robbers-crippled dream has some minor differences).
2) Though signed, it still won't write onto your phone since it is signed with a DIFFERENT SIGNATURE.
3) If you *did* manage to write it, you would be effectively bricked since the ADP1 kernel won't boot on the robbers-crippled-dream. At this point, it *might* be possible to write the same firmware that you already have on it again to fix the brick, but since nobody has gotten to this stage, it is unknown.

Haha glad I didn't go ahead and do anything stupid, then! Thanks for enlightening me!
Cheers

n64_ali said:
Haha glad I didn't go ahead and do anything stupid, then! Thanks for enlightening me!
Cheers
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Don't worry, because of the incorrect signature, you couldn't have hurt it even if you tried.

I am thinking about buying this phone butt I have a few simple Q's

Hello I would like to buy this phone because it looks pretty.
I was doing some research and found that att blocked custom apps, so I wonder is there a way around this? I have never had a droid only Windows Mobile. Would I be able to upgrade to 2.2 and newer ones in the future?
That is all, thank you all and have a nice day.

you can root your phone then do i side loader mode to use all the apps u want

TheChemist187 said:
Hello I would like to buy this phone because it looks pretty.
I was doing some research and found that att blocked custom apps, so I wonder is there a way around this? I have never had a droid only Windows Mobile. Would I be able to upgrade to 2.2 and newer ones in the future?
That is all, thank you all and have a nice day.
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You don't need to do anything special to sideload apps. Just download the android sdk from developer.android.com and use the 'adb' tool to install the programs with the 'adb install <filename>' command. The new version of HTC Sync also lets you install 3rd party non-market apps with a nice graphical interface.
The Aria will get an official 2.2 update in the future. If you don't want to wait for it, you can root the phone, then flash the custom 2.2 rom that's floating around. I have not checked on the progress of it recently, but to my knowledge, it isn't fully functional yet (wifi not work properly).

Alright guys thanks for your help. I just ordered it of Amazon for 50.00 bucks.

[Q] A noob proof way to flash custom ROMs

As we know, now we have a clockworkmod port for our Desire HD. It is fully functional and working. It is an awesome thing to be able to flash a custom rom and kernels onto our device.
but the question is, will there be a one click solution or a simpler way to have a custom recovery without downgrading to ENG hboot like now is required to push a custom recovery onto our device..
- will Desire HD have a total ROM Manager support as in just install clockworkmod recovery via ROM Manager like HTC Desire and others?
- or will there be something like Unrevoked where its a one click of having a total free custom recovery onto our device..
the issue is, not everyone is smart enough to perform the risky hboot downgrade and pushing clockwork manually.. a simpler solution would be very handy. This is so that newcommers could just root via Visionary perma root and then sorta like download rom manager via market and then just install CWM without downgrading hboot
Thanks for your answers

I doubt it very much....maybe rom manager will recognised the
DHD from default.
A clockwork app mmm usful..
But again I cant see it..
Root
S 0FF
Android SDK
Fastboot/adb shell
Clockwork
Thats the way I went...I do agree that an easier method would help the newbies..
What is needed is an all in one app - Now that would be fun to build..
I think the Devs are far to busy with custom roms and kernels hahaha
Not as Im complaining...
We'll see...

rixsta said:
I doubt it very much....maybe rom manager will recognised the
DHD from default.
A clockwork app mmm usful..
But again I cant see it..
Root
S 0FF
Android SDK
Fastboot/adb shell
Clockwork
Thats the way I went...I do agree that an easier method would help the newbies..
What is needed is an all in one app - Now that would be fun to build..
I think the Devs are far to busy with custom roms and kernels hahaha
Not as Im complaining...
We'll see...
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btw, why does clockwork needs to be pushed rather than like previously a device (htc desire) clockworkmod can be installed via using rom manager directly.. is it that rom manager still dosent support Desire HD?
true indeed, a click by click software that automates like unrevoked would be very handy.. afterall.. not everyone is an advanced user to perform those brick risking methods

I also wish an easyer way was possible as I really want to push a custom Rom and kernal but just a kernal will do for me. Is there any you tube videos that show you step by step to put a kernal on dhd? If not would some1 find the time to do this? This would help newbies like myself to feel more comfortable.
Sent from my Desire HD using XDA App

override182 said:
btw, why does clockwork needs to be pushed rather than like previously a device (htc desire) clockworkmod can be installed via using rom manager directly.. is it that rom manager still dosent support Desire HD?
true indeed, a click by click software that automates like unrevoked would be very handy.. afterall.. not everyone is an advanced user to perform those brick risking methods
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Yes that right,no support yet, its early days and Im sure things will get easier as time goes by.

rixsta said:
Yes that right,no support yet, its early days and Im sure things will get easier as time goes by.
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or is it that clockworkmod really need an engineering bootloader to work on desire HD.. i really hope that there would be a simpler way..

What's the noob friendliest way to just remove some stock apps (amazon,sound hound,Twitter,etc)? I reckon I need to do a root at least, but can't seem to work out what else I need to do. Cheers.

Mojo Fones said:
What's the noob friendliest way to just remove some stock apps (amazon,sound hound,Twitter,etc)? I reckon I need to do a root at least, but can't seem to work out what else I need to do. Cheers.
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use visionary to permaroot ur device.. then u can use titanium backup to uninstall those apps with root permissions

Excellent, thank you very much.

override182 said:
use visionary to permaroot ur device.. then u can use titanium backup to uninstall those apps with root permissions
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I have a feeling you need clockwork recovery too...

override182 said:
use visionary to permaroot ur device.. then u can use titanium backup to uninstall those apps with root permissions
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Worked perfectly with just a temp root, oh sorry for the hijacking override.

Mojo Fones said:
Worked perfectly with just a temp root, oh sorry for the hijacking override.
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happy to see it worked out for you.. its ok mate.. no big deal at all..

rixsta said:
I have a feeling you need clockwork recovery too...
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No, permaroot via visionary and titanium backup as removal will work fine without CW, beware though take apps out of your /system folder may cause future OTA upgrades to fail when they try and upgrade apps that are no longer present

ghostofcain said:
No, permaroot via visionary and titanium backup as removal will work fine without CW, beware though take apps out of your /system folder may cause future OTA upgrades to fail when they try and upgrade apps that are no longer present
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indeed.. i almost forgot about that...
this thread is dying

Not ony that, I do recall having read that removing those system apps does not give you free space to use, so there is no big reason why you should do it....
On topic:
I have my DHD now for a couple of weeks.....never had android before....I had overclocked my DHD when kamma released one of his kernels and visionary temp root was available It worked fine.
Now I have been out for 1,5 week and just continued reading again the day before yesterday.
I must say, I do read the topic I am interested in completely, so (almost) every post, just to get a feeling of potential issues or get some idea of what to do, if...
So although I am new to android, the great threats in the developer forum have given me a reasonable understanding of what to do, how to do it, and what risk there is.
With that, I have perm rooted my DHD, got S-off, installed clockwork mod and flashed leedroid's rom on my DHD. All done yesterday and the day before, without problem.
Am now considering if I will OC again of just leave it as is for now....
just read carefully, don;t just take the 1st post in the dev section, but read through the topic to understand potential issues....The topic creator is in now way responsible for you not reading properly or failing to understand the implications.
But Yes, a one click solution would be handy, although I prefer to have it done this way, as I now have a little better understanding of what actually happens, rather than, hey, I flashed this rom ...

paulus_01 said:
Not ony that, I do recall having read that removing those system apps does not give you free space to use, so there is no big reason why you should do it....
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if you remove those system apps, won't it help in booting up the phone faster? and probably save some memory that would be taken up with those useless apps?

lukesky said:
if you remove those system apps, won't it help in booting up the phone faster? and probably save some memory that would be taken up with those useless apps?
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I think you'll see little to no improvement at all...

For me, I used the 'freeze' option in Titanium rather than uninstalling them. It makes my apps menu tidier, and there must be at least a slight improvement in speed as less stuff is running in the background now.

so guys, do you think anyone will come out with a simpler way to flash custom rom soon?

How the root exploit (rageagainstthecage.bin) works

I was curious about how the root exploit that unlocks our phones for all this great dev stuff works. Found this explanation, and it was quite good. For those with sufficient unix/linux knowlege, this will be totally understandable, so I'd recommend following the link, and reading the in-depth explanation, complete with C code. For those with less background in this stuff, it's still worth a read, but you'll have to work harder to understand exactly what's going on.
Post any questions in this thread, and I'll be happy to answer them!

This is a good explanation, I read something similar when rage was released, may hve even been this. But I'm pretty versed with linux and am overly versed in C...to the point where I have nightmares....
Sent from my Samsung-SPH-D700 using XDA App

Hi and sorry for the bump guys,
Does anybody know how to do the rageagainstthecage root with an LG Optimus One P503? I have tried everything - Simple Root, SuperOneClick, VISIONary, z4root, nothing is working! I really need this root because my phone did not come with Android market and I want to install it through ADB, and I think that requires a root correct? Even if I can't root my phone, is there any way to install an apk to my phone's internal storage and not my SD card?
Thanks for reading this!

By rooting lol

I know for the opimus s you have to force a flash of an older software for z4 to root.
Sent from my SPH-D700 using XDA Premium App

no you dont need to root to install thru adb. just open up command/terminal,
adb install /blah/blah/phoneapphere.apk
alternatively you can put it on your sd card and use a file manager to locate the apk and install it on the phone.. for a nice easy root, use gingerbreak its the latest un patched exploit.. theres an apk version on xda it will root your phone no issues

HTC Merge Root?
shabbypenguin said:
no you dont need to root to install thru adb. just open up command/terminal,
adb install /blah/blah/phoneapphere.apk
alternatively you can put it on your sd card and use a file manager to locate the apk and install it on the phone.. for a nice easy root, use gingerbreak its the latest un patched exploit.. theres an apk version on xda it will root your phone no issues
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Can I use this on the kinda new HTC Merge? (I get it next weekend).
Spec: http://www.phonearena.com/phones/HTC-Merge_id4909
What would be the best way to root this phone?
[HTC Sense, 2.2 Froyo, CDMA/GSM, Qwerty kb - it's main backbone i guess.]
Thanks in advance

dillalade said:
Can I use this on the kinda new HTC Merge? (I get it next weekend).
Spec: http://www.phonearena.com/phones/HTC-Merge_id4909
What would be the best way to root this phone?
[HTC Sense, 2.2 Froyo, CDMA/GSM, Qwerty kb - it's main backbone i guess.]
Thanks in advance
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you do realize that this is the Epic 4G section, right ?

daddymikey1975 said:
you do realize that this is the Epic 4G section, right ?
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Yes but thats why hes asking if it can be used for the other phone. Specs wise, both phones are almost the same internally.

xPreSiDenT said:
Yes but thats why hes asking if it can be used for the other phone. Specs wise, both phones are almost the same internally.
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specs don't really dictate which exploit will work on a device though.
If the bootloader is locked on the HTC, there's going to be a different workaround to root it.
just sayin'