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I'm about to buy one of these, but I've had trouble finding info about it. Everywhere just has the same basic list, so here's my questions:
1. Does it come with it's own cable/cradle, or other means of connectivity?
2. Does it come with a memory card? How big? And how much internal memory?
3. I am currently using a SonyEricsson P800, and the MP3 player is one of my favourite features. Can I play MP3s just as easily on this? And is it straight forward enough transferring them to the device?
4. Does it have MMS? If so, how functional is it? The P800's was excelent, allowing multiple pages, variable time per page, sound, multiple pictures, etc etc. But before that I had a Nokia 7650 which was limited to one picture with text, and no sound.
5. Flight mode?
6. Does bluetooth allow transfer of files to and from Symbian devices like the P800 and the Nokia 7650, 6600, etc?
7. Are any JAVA applications supported, or just the native Pocket PC format?
8. Anything else cool you wanna tell me?
9. Where can I find the full spec for this device? On here or another site?
Thanks in advance. I hope at least some of my questions can be answered
My answers..
1. Cradle, Ir and BT is included.
2. Mine comes with a dummy card, but try looking around for special offers. If i were you, I get a 256mb card. Why? When you do backing up, you are sure to use the Storage card memory to put it in. A 128MB SDcard is just not enough.
Internal RAM Size is 128Mbs, considered big for todays PDA standards.
3. MP3s? Simple to do it. But Infact, I dun download MP3s now to the XDAII cause the size is big. What i do is compress it to WMA (half the size) and still get good quality music. Just use your Desktop Windows Media Player to do it and even download it to the PDA from there.
4. MMS? Yes...but i'm not using MMS so can't really comment.
5. Flight mode? Yes. Just click on the Signal icon and select flight mode.
6. I really dunno. I use BT only for the Headset functions.
7. Depends on the ROM type. Mine does support Javas after downloading a software. But why Java? Pocket PC application and games are much more better...trust me.
8. Cool?..Yes, but wait for the XDAIII or even the new HP63XX?
Think that way.
If you still insist on the XDAII, I can say the screen, speed, memory and design is superb. The phone reception is comparable to any Nokia set.
9. You can try http://www.my-xda.com/ or look around in googles
I'm sure other members will help out.
Cheers Just remembered another one:
10. Does it come with a hand strap?
Nope, but it comes with a waist strap.
I think the XDA II is one of the fastest in it's class. 400mhz and the screen quality is great in comparison with other Pocket PC Phone. I was able to watch my 2 hour length movie just like I would with my iPaq.
It has fast bus, everything is much faster than my previous pocket pc. The great thing about this is that, which I just found out, if the OS crash, you can still use the phone function. Someone here said it's like 2 device, phone and pda.
Greetings fellow Nottinghamian!
Ex P800 and P900 user here, some points.
1. No, it doesn't come with a lanyard (hand strap) and I can't see anywhere to attach one. Looking back this would have been a good idea as I worry about the metal finish of the XDA2 slipping through my hands
2. It's slightly bigger than a P900, but the funtionality makes up for it. 400Mhz of raw power in your hand. Emulators, Games, flawless MP3/video playback and of course on the wonderful big screen.
3. The Px00 was a phone first, and a PDA second. The XDA2 is a PDA first, phone second. The phone side of the XDA2 is pretty good, especially when combined with a BT headset, but may lack features that you're used to, like T9 input.
4. SD memory is far cheaper and more available than Memory Stick DUO. Be sure to buy a fast SD card though, some people have reported problems with Sandisk cards. My cheapo Viking Interworks one from eBuyer works a treat!
5. Get a sync and charge cable or a second charger - the features on the XDA2 take their toll on the battery, but if you charge it nightly you'll be fine. I keep my cradle and charger at work and my sync & charge cable at home.
6. The camera on the XDA2 is still a VGA (640x480) camera like the Px00 but the CCD is far better and produces much nicer pictures. The camera also does a good job of taking video. There's no limit to video lengths either, unlike the stock P800.
7. There are several features in the pipeline for the XDA2. Windows Mobile 2003SE is a possible upgrade, featuring things like landscape mode and Blackberry support. Also, you can add a WiFi card to the XDA2 to access wireless hotspots (try the Broadway Cinema on Broad Street!).
I think that's it for now, but I'll post again if I remember anything.
Eeeeeehhhh!
What a coincidence. 2 P800-come-XDA2 users in the same city :lol:
Bit of an arse about the hand strap thing. I use mine ALL the time on my P800. You can't be too careful. Are you sure there's nowhere to attach one? Not even under the battery cover?
Ex-P800 user.
I used my P800 for 13 months before upgrading to an XDA2. Within hours of getting my XDA I felt like I'd just thrown my money away ever getting a P800 in the first place.
The XDA is FAR superior. The video and music capabilities as excellent.
As for T9 dialling, I have purchased PhonePlus II. It is superb and makes up for the only real weak part of the XDA 2 which was the phone functionality.
I also dropped my P800 a lot, 'cos I never used the shoulder strap. I haven't dropped my XDA2 yet but I'm sure the leather case will provide excellent protection. (Mine's insured anyway so I'll get a new one if I break it.)
Hope this helps...
Sounds good
I'm still going to look into attaching a wrist strap though. Coulda kept the one off my faulty digital camera, since the dumb ***** at argos never checked the box contents before she refunded me. I coulda kept the camera an' all :lol:
Have a look at the xda2 skin case here http://www.pdamods.com/proddetail.asp?prod=XDA2SCCS
I know it doesnt show it in the photos, but I think it has a tab for a wrist strap
Just ordered my XDA2!!!
I'll let you know how I get on
I had my XDA II stolen at gatwick airport last week (sniff sniff) and am now looking to replace it.
From the complete range of HTC PDA's the XDA IIi seems to be tickling my fancy the most but I haven't really come across a single comprehensive review.
So are people who have purchased it happy?
Whilst I am aware that there are problems with the camera I can live with it as long as it is not worse than the XDA II .
So what say you O Ye owners of the IIi?
Cheers!
I got mine last week and I'm honestly torn...
The camera is CR*P, completely so! But as I never used the one on the XDA2 for more than the odd picture message and photo record I'm not particularly bothered - though it's a cheek for O2 to pronounce it as a major step forward when in many ways it's a regressive one.
My major headache is the IR and Bluetooth...IR seems even worse now than on the XDA2 - unless I'm missing something - and the BT stack currently on my phone means I cannot use the O2 BT clip headset (made by iTech) due to this (in my opinion) stupid handsfree obsession. Surely it would be a good idea to have a headset AND a handsfree option that WORKS. I understand on some headsets it works a treat, but given I've got one being sold by O2 on their website I would normally assume it would work.
That said, the 2i is a great phone in itself and if I weren't already spoilt having had the XDA and XDA2 before it, I would be in absolute amazment.
They've finally managed to get the o2activeui thing in a state which isn't too bad and I may even consider keeping it - though it's harder to remove than in the past.
If you have to upgrade which it sounds as though you do given your circumstances, I'd choose the 2i over the 2s...at least the 2i is a better phone spec wise though without the keyboard (gimmick if you ask me).
Hope this helps (helped me to have the rant, anyway).
Cheers
Anthony
Thanks for the feedback Anthony. One thing that's slightly irritating me is a few places i've visited on the net state how previews often have some of the specs wrong on the O2 site it states that the IIi has 128MB SDRam and 128MB Flash......is this accurate?
Have you tried out the Wifi and if so what d'you reckon?
Does the faster processor make a noticeable difference? e.g on my XDA II I was running loads of today plug ins as well as several applications by default I'd do a soft re-set at least once a day
As for the IIs even though when I compare the II and the IIs side by side it doen't appear that much bigger it still has a bulky-ish look about it and I just don't find it appealing enough to contemplate a purchase.
Your feedback on the above would be appreciated
Cheers
This is on the box...
96MB ROM
128MB SDRAM
I have tried out the Wi-Fi and it seems OK to me, certainly it's a welcome feature. However I don't have a Wi-Fi card that I can compare experiences on...all I know is I didn't have one before and now I have a wi-fi connection. That can't be bad.
I don't have enough stuff loaded onto the phone to make a judgment on the processor. With the 2 I had lots of things running such as WeatherPanel and KitaraGenesis - also at one point Pocket Plus. From what I've seen so far the 2i does feel a bit faster...there's also a Turbo feature which does seem to further increase performance.
The 2i is exactly the same size I think, perhaps a smidge heavier. Having said that, if you compare most mobiles these days, the XDA series is no longer heavier than the majority. Besides, if you've got a PDA phone you're not expecting it to be light as a feather.
As I said previously, now you've got no option I would definitely go to the 2i...
Cheers
A
As to theWiFii hadaXDA2 witha SandiskWiFi Card, then changed to the XDA2s, then after 4 replacements i now have a XDA2i, ifind the XDA2i range and speed of reconnecting to WiFi very very good, the XDA2s worked as well asthe XDA2 + SD WiFi Card.
I like the 2ivery much, only problem is i gave away all my XDA2 bits when i got the 2s, so now i have lots of bits for a phone i dont have and a 2i with no spair bits, got i wish i haddent got rid of my old XDA2 bits
i still soft rest a few times aday, but i am used to donigthis now and dont have a problem doing it, The Bluetooth for headsets (jabbra 250) works as well on the 2i as it did on the old XDA2, where as the 2s was total crap
John
4 replacements???!!! care to elaborate?
Applecom, how do you find the camera?
Has the bluetooth improved at all? With my XDA II I also has a Jabra BT250 whilst I found it excellent at close range as soon as the device was in (or out) the metal proporta case and in my pocket I got alot of static...also can you now hear the different ringtones in your bluetooth headset or is it still the same generic one?
Finally, if I get the phone from O2 with their minimum line rental fee it works out to about 407 quid in total....anyone know of any cheaper places?
Thanks for the feedback once again guys.
After hearing about the new XDA2s i purchased a sim free PDA2k, but the microphone on it was crap and the bluetooth (headset) range was like 6 inches after that it sounded terrible.
So as soon as we could get a UK XDA2s we did ( we are a small phone shop) i got it sim free, This was just as crap as the PDA2k, Sothen i did a upgrade to a XDA2s with o2 Select, and of corse this was crap as well
(by crap i mean the mic was terrible people had problems hearing me, and the bluetooth headset only worked if you held the phone next to it, as a PDA it was sort of alright)
so after speaking to o2 about its problems and the fact the keybopard soon comes loose, it was changed probley every 2-3 weeks, never any better for phopne calls but of corse a new one the keyboard is still tight (for a while)
anyway after the 6th phone (4th o2 replacement) i changed it to a XDA2i
The camera in the XDA2i just gives a bigger crap picture, but at leat i can make phone calls on this one and people can hear me, and i dont have to drive down the road with my bluetooth ear piece in and have to hold the phone to the ear piece to use it
John
dear oh dear.....thats the strongest case i've EVER heard for NOT buying a phone... :shock:
Not to get on your nelly but can you now hear the different ringtones in your bluetooth headset or is it still the same generic one?
Cheers
Leroy
bump
my jabra 250 just makes the ring sound, just like on the old XDA2, no personalised ring tones, despite using IA Caller 1.2
Thank you all for the info
Does the movie function work better?
I know the camera makes a bigger "crap" photo but how is the video? On my XDAII, with all the today plug in's, the thing records crap even at the best settings. With a fresh ROM and nothing installed, I can get a decent video if I set the refresh rate and set it to daylight, (even for night shots), but after I install some programs, no settings can keep it from being choppy and slow or keep the sound in sync with the video.
Believe it or not, the video function, as bad as it is, actually saved my ass from going to jail.. If the XDA2i has better video performance, and it sounds like the BT is better, I want one... Is there any place besides eBay and O2?
Could someone tell us what version of the BT stack it is?
Any body try it with two serial ports yet? (One for a GPS and one for a Printer or POS device (like from Merchantanywhere.com).
Thank you for your time.
the bt stack on my xda2i is 1.0.0.3900
Mine is also 1.0.3900 and I can't use o2's bt clip headset with it....refuses to play ball yet others work fine.
Grrrrr
Need an update to sort this out.
By clip do you mean the earpiece, with a foot of wire then a clip on bluetooth reciever? If you do O2 sent one of them out to me but as i use a jabra 250 i never tried the clip thing.
Would you like me to try it with my XDA2i (also version 3900)
John
Have you made a decision on a purchase yet?
I have both an XDAII and an XDAIIi and would be willing to give some comparitive information regarding them. Or try to answer any specific questions you have about them.
On another note, what alternatives do we have here with regard to a Windows Mobile device?
Dear wizard owners - could you please check how this call recording software works on your device.
http://1800message.com/default.aspx
in the end of that page there is a link for PMRecorder - there is cab file for it.
1) is it working in general?
2) does it record two parties well if used without headset?
3) does it record two parties if bluetooth headset is used?
4) what is quality of recording.
I am thinking to moving from jam to wizard or prophet only becouse of that software.
gluhov: if you're prepared to move phones for this feature, consider the gigabyte phones.
V
please give a link for that phone
gluhov said:
Dear wizard owners - could you please check how this call recording software works on your device.
http://1800message.com/default.aspx
in the end of that page there is a link for PMRecorder - there is cab file for it.
1) is it working in general?
2) does it record two parties well if used without headset?
3) does it record two parties if bluetooth headset is used?
4) what is quality of recording.
I am thinking to moving from jam to wizard or prophet only becouse of that software.
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PMRecorder does work well however you have to have all your conversations in speakerphone mode to pickup the person talking on the other end. The website says this is a limitation by the manufacturer (although not sure if the mean the HTC's, MS or the OEMs)
Cheers
Excellent review of the GigaByte:
http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/articles.php?action=expand,46925
Not sure if it's available yet, but I wants it!
V
WOW!!
I wants it too - I'm beginning to think the Wiz is a bit of a dead loss anyway
You can't beat an old 6310i as a phone
The Gigabyte phone has got all the functions that the Wiz is missing - and look at that camera !!!
Offtopic:
And the TV I think I'll wait for one as well. I need to upgrade in the next few months. I'm thinking either Atom or Gigabyte. But the Giga looks very very nice software wise. Don't like the styling much.. but the features Would be nice to get a rom dump of that. Oh, I think I've got one somewhere...
V
gluhov: If you are considering the gigabyte for the call recording, on reading the review it looks like it may have the same functionality as PMRecorder. As it says "you can record your own telephone conversations", I would clarification of what is meant by "your own conversations" To me this sounds like one sided recording, although i presume the speaker method would work here as well.
However it is a nicely feature packed device, i wouldnt mind getting my hands on one myself although i think i have gotten used to the Wizards keyboard and (slowish) speed now. I just want my A2DP!!!
Cheers
The recorder in the 'notes' application will happily record both sides as well - the other side will be a bit noisier/fainter, but unless you're recording for criminal evidence, that shouldn't be a problem. ( And keep in mind that many countries have laws prohibiting conversation recording unless you make this explicitly clear to the other side )
As for the Gigabyte - looks nice, specs-wise. However - no Edge? So definitely no UMTS/HSDPA. Not a huge loss, perhaps, but if you're aiming for the future anyway, it might be worth waiting for whatever they'll come out with next?
Guys - lets stop talking about these gygobyte.
PLEASE TEST THAT APLICATION AND ANSWER MY QUESTION - that will really help.
vijay555 said:
Offtopic:
And the TV I think I'll wait for one as well. I need to upgrade in the next few months. I'm thinking either Atom or Gigabyte. But the Giga looks very very nice software wise. Don't like the styling much.. but the features Would be nice to get a rom dump of that. Oh, I think I've got one somewhere...
V
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Gigabyte (Around US$700)and Atom (US$750) already for sales in Hong Kong for a while.
The REAL device of gigabyte is suck I'm sorry to tell you that.
The TV function ONLY support NTSC and which doesn't support PAL as they have mention. And the screen is too small. And there is serveral problem awaiting to fix.
1. Bluetooth A2DP issue. Auto disconnect once the device screen is off.
2. If incoming call pop up, if your didn't recived the call. The "incoming call" screen still there, even the other side already drop the line.
3. When open the function inside the phone. the device Vol will auto turn to silent. even no vibrate.
4.The camera is RED. Outdoor/ Indoor. All photo seems auto in RED tune.
New rom been release in Early Feb. But same problem still found.
And Atom is keep fixing their probelm. They are like haven't more than
one updat per month. And the device now is very smooth today. But I think there must be more update coming very soon.
gluhov said:
Dear wizard owners - could you please check how this call recording software works on your device.
http://1800message.com/default.aspx
in the end of that page there is a link for PMRecorder - there is cab file for it.
1) is it working in general?
2) does it record two parties well if used without headset?
3) does it record two parties if bluetooth headset is used?
4) what is quality of recording.
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Please read http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/index.php?blog=3&p=513&more=1 for a complete discussion of the subject.
of course i read it.
i just need an answer from real user
it doesn't record incoming audio. you'd have to get a htc typhoon(i think) smartphone device to do this.
Are you tru wizrd owner?
Doesn't work on my Wizard (Vario)
gluhov said:
Are you tru wizrd owner?
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Yes I am. I actually e-mailed the company about this awhile back and heres what they told me.
"Techsupport to me 12/27/05
The Wizard does not support the dual audio path. the HTC Tornado and Cingular 2125 both support it, but the PPC Wizard does not. Sorry about that. It is a hardware limitation on the device.
> i've been playing around with pmvault and pm recorder on an htc wizard
> phone. Vault works flawlessly and is so convenient. Recorder doesn't
> record incoming audio though. My voice can be heard fine, but not the
> person I'm talking to. I know that the wizard devices are pocket pcs and
> not smartphones, but WM5 for ppc is supposed to run programs for both. Any
> thoughts on it?"
hmm.
if you use speacker phohe - will it help to record second part or not?
Becouse on magician if you use it everything is recorded very well.
Nope, it just records my voice. The other's voice is very faint audible when set to speaker mode, but certainly not loud en clear enough to understand.
I have a Wizard and use PMRecorder. Although the other party is faint on a recording it is possible to hear and understand them.
I have seen people talking about this in other places and was wondering if anyone knows what to do to get skype to work both ways in an O2-Atom.
I can hear the other side, but they hear me broken up or not at all...
*sob* I only bought the atom because of the built in WiFi so I can skype at home without sitting at the computer...
Know this disappointing. I had the same problem with an i-mate JAM aka HTC Magician aka MDA Vario etc. Has the same 416MHz CPU as the Atom. I tried Skype using a high quality, fast Wi-Fi card. Same issues. Incoming sound fine, outgoing garbled. I asked around on the Skype forum and it seems the stated Skype system requirements are optimistic. Seems users with straight non-phone Pocket PCs can Skype at around 400MHz. but phone edition devices can only do it if overclocked to at least 545MHz. Persoanally, I am very reluctant to overclock due to heat and battery life issies. So sorry to be the bearer of bad news. I would love to hear if you can find an alternate VOIP client than can deliver for you.
Oops, sorry. I double posted by mistake.... :?
Even i face the same problem .....it seems that there is a universal defect for atom. please anybody else reading this suggest anything to improve it.
Thank you in advance.
Hi,
I decided to post this after 100+ hrs of struggling with so called native VoIP feature in WM6.
Firstly, there are some extremely valuable threads in this forum already, the best of which being probably:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=299950
Secondly and lastly: the marketing trick about "Built-in VoIP in WM6" is nothing more than that (google the Web and you'll see what kind of proud statements can be found).
Someone out there in MS completely disrespect the customers saying all this. A more truthfull statement could look like: "Integration of VoIP features in Windows Mobile has been attempted for the first time (ever). However, so far it is all unreleased, alpha-stage development which may come to a business-grade usable outcome somewhere late 2008".
Reasons for that are very simple:
Even WHEN someone by any chance, luck or more by black crafts manages to make a test call with this integrated VoIP-crap (which is neither too easy nor really reproducible - I made it - 3 times in more than 200 attempts with various configs and DLLs and reg settings), the results leave A LOT to wish.
Available "features" cover - at most - usage of G711 codec (some users cracked the GSM one as well, with mixed results). No voicemail. No conference call. No call forwarding. No STUN (!!! - and I thought Symbian S60 was behind WM6). Not even a user-friendly interface to configure a SIP-provider (a user-unfriendly interface does not exist either, to be precise). Only one provider can be configured. Documentation incomplete and inaccurate if any (MSDN contains some - buggy like hell). Right, no debugging anyway. No logging. Have I missed something? Oh yes, without a headset the sound is wonderfully coming out of the external speaker. Power saving mode cutting the talks due to power outage at the WiFi. So much for integration.
If anyone disagrees just please take a look at SJPhone. Just ONE single look. Honestly, if it was possible to put SJPhone in the Today list (maybe it is but I have not figured it out yet how) I would NEVER bother with the "marvels" of integrated voip.
For me personally, the subject of the "integrated", MS-made VoIP is burried - requiescat in pace. At least until a more reasonable version (at least beta-grade) is available.
Regards
wiktro
Yes I do agree that more can be done to it but at the moment, I am pretty happy with what is available.
Sure the call quality can be much improved with the addition of several codecs but at the moment, it is something that is not bothering me and the call quality, while not great, is something usable.
I am currently using VoIP with an Eten Glofiish X500 which allows me to make calls as a normal phone, thanks to a switch. The audio comes out of the ear piece instead of the loudspeaker. I am using VoipStunt as my service provider and the quality is not too bad. Sure it is not as good as the desktop but then again, a Pocket PC does not have the crunching power of a desktop.
Am I saying that it is sufficient? For my own needs, yes. But I would sure love to see it further improved. I am not saying that just because we have a less powerful device that there is no hope for VoIP because there are even less powerful ones out there that can do an even better job.
Let's just hope Microsoft improves on this. Or that SjLabs can come up with a much needed updated version of their software that integrates with the Today screen.