Database Users

Nothing to wait for...?

Isn't that weird that there is still nothing better on the market than Exec?
And nothing is even announced to come!
Or maybe I missed a news about a PDA/Phone with better specs than Exec.
I love gadgets and am a bit confused when I have nothing to wait for :wink: .
And I'm going to Japan and Hong Kong in a month and was thinking to buy something there.

rottie said:
Isn't that weird that there is still nothing better on the market than Exec?
And nothing is even announced to come!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I don't mind - I've got until December before I change my Exec - so glad I took out a 1 year contract rather than an 18month one.

Keep a look out for the SE p990i..... should interesting :roll:
BR

agent003 said:
Keep a look out for the SE p990i..... should interesting :roll:
BR
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Impressive specs, but the tiny keyboard isstoo small. Should sell well enough though - Wifi and 3G? Damn nice. Might face some competition from the XDA IQ (Orion).
The non-flush keyboard flap is awful too. http://gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_p990-pictures-1318.php
Nice looking from the camera facing side though!

And that plastic thingy supposed to be better than my Exec? :lol:

rottie said:
And that plastic thingy supposed to be better than my Exec? :lol:
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
i'll second that
I sometimes wonder if they are so shunted for creativity & innovation! The same old crap revamped over and over again, and people still keep buying it! Unbelievable!!!
The OS is so lame, it makes me wonder how people can even use it! The applications you get for the SEs are so "compromised" and pathetic, that i really wouldnt even dream of having one of those in my gadget kitty!
again, my honest opinion....no flame war intended, but i would enjoy a breakout nonetheless
Cheers,
San

I have ordered my P990, its a phone PDA not a PDA phone. Looking forward to having a reasonable amount of user memory (>64Mb) and great MP3 playback and photos. Also I suspect I'll get two days life from the battery unlike....Also I don't expect to need to reset it every two days...Its amazing what the naff OS from Symbian can do (e.g. real-time processing)
Edit: also looking forward to having caller ID on my JabraBT800 and stereo BT playback

jah said:
I have ordered my P990, its a phone PDA not a PDA phone. Looking forward to having a reasonable amount of user memory (>64Mb) and great MP3 playback and photos. Also I suspect I'll get two days life from the battery unlike....Also I don't expect to need to reset it every two days...Its amazing what the naff OS from Symbian can do (e.g. real-time processing)
Edit: also looking forward to having caller ID on my JabraBT800 and stereo BT playback
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I am going to take a serious look at the P990. I had a P800 which I didn't like much (it promised far more than it delivered), but the P990 seems leaps and bounds ahead. I then moved on to a Treo which was OK but underpowered both hardware and OS-wise. I then got a JAM and now an O2 Exec - but don't think much of Windows at all - although I couldn't survive without TomTom! I don't think any PDA has come anywhere near the quality of the Psion 5. What went wrong...?

"Looking forward to having a reasonable amount of user memory"
I've a bucket load of stuff on my XDA, never ran out of memory. Ever.
"and great MP3 playback"
Hey, me too!
"and photos."
Check. 640x480 pics look glorious. What res you running in, and on what size screen?
"Also I suspect I'll get two days life from the battery"
I get a day, but I charge every evening, so it's not a problem.
"Also I don't expect to need to reset it every two days"
Windows Mobile 5.0 is reliable. Obviously Beta software etc occasionally needs a reset, but in practice, the thing is reliable.
"Its amazing what the naff OS from Symbian can do (e.g. real-time processing)"
Sorry, what? My XDA doesn't process in real time? Really? How does it multitask?
"also looking forward to having caller ID on my JabraBT800"
Caller I'D works well through my headset via Voice Command, no need to take the headset off to look at the number.
"and stereo BT playback"
Hey, me too!

@Belfast Bikes, real-time processing means Symbian does everying there no need for two OSs unlike WM5 devices. I was trying to point out that the P990 is more a phone then PDA; some people need a rock solid phone over a PDA. On memory, I do need to reset because of low RAM and I prefer to install my apps on the main memory as I do when I use all my other devices. The Universal's 27MB user memory is very low for a USD1000 device in 2006!

@page3, totally agree about the Psion 5 - fast, easy to use and rock solid (I think I had to reset my 5MX about twice in 12 months). The Psion 5 design is from 1997! Here we are 9 years later and we have to suffer slow devices that are unreliable!

jah said:
@Belfast Bikes, real-time processing means Symbian does everying there no need for two OSs unlike WM5 devices.
On memory, I do need to reset because of low RAM and I prefer to install my apps on the main memory as I do when I use all my other devices.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I've never reset due to low memory,ever. I use gspocketmagic to actually close the apps I don't need, perhaps that helps?
As for needing two operating systems, I have no idea what you're talking about.

@Belfast Biker
re: Real-time OS
Look at these links:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/02/13/microsoft_single_core_phone_os/
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/12/30/singlechip_rtos_phones/

All *current* PocketPC/WM phones require two OSes. One runs the phone radio and the other runs the rest of the PDA. They have to be working together in order to give you a usable device. Once these are integrated in a RTOS, we should be able to do more with less. This should result in more efficiency, less weight and smaller motherboards. Technically, it should also reduce the price, although that, of course, will likely never happen!

SE990 UIQ ...
Hi folks,
I own a SE P910 as well. It is pretty similar to the 990 apart from WiFi and 3G and the screen size - the 910s screen is larger ;-)
Well, compared to PPC/Phone Ed these show a different attitude.
PPC/PE are sort of PPC with the possibility to call and the SE 9XX are phones with a PDA.
Compared to my Universal the 910 definately is NOT slow once apps are loaded and you can leave a whole lot running berfore you'll notice any slow-down. I have several apps on that thingy and I have to admit there definately is light and shade - just as everywhere, in the PPC world as well.
Concerning the keyboard you are right - this is tiny with the 9xx but text recognition (scribbling on the screen similar to Transcriber) is more accurate by far.
Phone operation (there are some people left that really use their phones to phone ;-) ) is a whole lot better: quality of sound, scroll through options by a 5-way wheel switch, options in general are better and usable compared to PPCs.
And something striking is that these devices don't have a Reset-switch - they really don't need it ....
It just depends on what you want so please don't damn a device just because it is different
Have fun!
Andreas

Very Fine Device with Serious Flaws

Trinity is a fine device as far as a Pocket PC based on a Shaky MS Windows OS can be. You cannot criticize it so much on speed or most of the function it carries (After all, it is not a Laptop). But there are some serious flaws with it which one cannot ignore, I paid £360=$750 for mine which makes it quite an expensive PPC, therefore making these flaws worse than usual:
1- BLUE for BLUETOOTH
Considering the fact that one of its main usages is for listening to music and that it would be nice to be able to use a BT Headset to do that, the fact that the crappy BT on Trinity is very unreliable and does not work in many instances, would be a great disadvantage on this. I bought a Sony DR-BT10CX Bluetooth Stereo Headset for £30 and I was very disappointed to see that it is not working (Works as a Hands-Free But not a Wireless Headset). Since I managed to somehow make it work twice (though I have gone through the steps for 3 days now to no avail), I would conclude that this is not the BT Headset's Fault (So, I cannot return it), nor the Trinity's Hardware is faulty, but a stupid Software Glitch. By The Way – I would appreciate it if anyone can suggest a solution
2- PAIN of PAINT
The mere fact that over 90% of the people say that the pain is Peeling Off, is just painful. What kind of a stupid flaw is that? A device so sophisticated and complicated and they manage to mess it up over a simple painting process.
Also, I have tried to use Skype, but as soon as I try to call someone, it just shuts down the Skype. I believe that I am not the first person to have had such a problem. However, software conflicts are unfortunately quite normal when it comes to PPCs. I can live with that. But the PAINT & BLUETOOTH just bug me so much.
Anyway, when you pay a heck-load of money for something, you expect better in the basics. I just hope HTC solves these in the near future. For starters, I would say, work the damn BT problem, then even if you are going to use the stupid unreliable plastic casing, just do a better job with the painting. It is not rocket-science.

hi there, I don't know that much about the bluetooth problems, but I can confirm that I didn't get my hama-blurtooth dongle to do a sync via BT with my trinity either. But the usb-ActiveSync works fine (if I shut down the firewall for a while...) and is faster anyway!
concerning skype: what version did you try? the latest 2.2 for windows mobile didn't work on my device either. But the skype for mobile 2.1 version runs fine incl. telephone function. The video-call won't work on the trinity anyway - too much resources needed by skype at this time... but chatting or talking is fine, too.
PS: I have a vodafone vpa compact gps with the standard WM5 rom still on it. Didn't need the WM6 yet..
Cheers, S.

siavash.babaei said:
Trinity is a fine device as far as a Pocket PC based on a Shaky MS Windows OS can be.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You hit the nail. It's based on that Shaky M$ whatever. As a corollary, other MS based devices also suffer most of your problems inevitably. Perhaps it's time for you to switch to iphone
siavash.babaei said:
1- BLUE for BLUETOOTH
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
It's quite well known that BT headphones especially those stereo ones are quite picky on the phone combinations. I heard that even on nokia and se compatibility is still a problem. Not to mention that crappy MS BT stack on almost *ALL* HTC WM5/6 phones. Try do some research before buying - there's no direct indication that an expensive headset would automagically work on your trinity, and vice versa.
siavash.babaei said:
2- PAIN of PAINT
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
That's HTC stupid problem, I agree.
siavash.babaei said:
Also, I have tried to use Skype, but as soon as I try to call someone, it just shuts down the Skype.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Skype for Samsung CPU is still in beta. That means it may or may not work. I don't think Trinity users are alone on this one. Probably you should complain to Skype instead.

iphone
Actually, I gave it a serious though - Getting an IPod - the thing is that I really needed the GPS function, and I didn't see IPhone offering that. Besides that, I am sure IPhone is a better and wiser choice. Both Technology-Wise and Money-Wise ...

soulgecko said:
hi there, I don't know that much about the bluetooth problems, but I can confirm that I didn't get my hama-blurtooth dongle to do a sync via BT with my trinity either. But the usb-ActiveSync works fine (if I shut down the firewall for a while...) and is faster anyway!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I had a similar issue with the toshiba bluetooth built into my laptop. I needed to change a key in the laptop registry and then instead of serial port, the phone saw it as activesync on the bluetooth settings.
Then it worked for activesync.

siavash.babaei said:
Actually, I gave it a serious though - Getting an IPod - the thing is that I really needed the GPS function, and I didn't see IPhone offering that. Besides that, I am sure IPhone is a better and wiser choice. Both Technology-Wise and Money-Wise ...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Of course you will have to use wired headphones driving car, because of the crippled Bluetooth in the iPhone. You can only play games, that Steve allows you to play. You want to receive MMS... no chance. Record a video ... forget about it.
Technology-Wise its an outdated gadget... but the design and the gui are smart....

you guys REALLY think iphone is an alternative?????
- you can't use memory cards
- you can't change the battery (jesus christ)
- only apple (will) make software
- GPS ... hahah
- no available software at all
- and many other things... i wonder if you can just upload an mp3 and play it, maybe you have to use itunes to buy it. I indeed wonder if you can upload "anything" into the phone
iphone is a cute expensive phone, nothing more than that. maybe 10 years ago i would be impressed. not now.

rupps said:
you guys REALLY think iphone is an alternative?????
- you can't use memory cards
- you can't change the battery (jesus christ)
- only apple (will) make software
- GPS ... hahah
- no available software at all
- and many other things... i wonder if you can just upload an mp3 and play it, maybe you have to use itunes to buy it. I indeed wonder if you can upload "anything" into the phone
iphone is a cute expensive phone, nothing more than that. maybe 10 years ago i would be impressed. not now.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
iPhone is well iPhone. I do agree on the flaws. But its just a simple phone that gets to the point. Same goes for MacOS X , a simple system that just works. Common , we all admit that if you install 50000 tons of software inside your PPC , it makes it unstable etc....But I still can't understand why people still love to skin their PPCs to be an iPhone Clone. I still dont understand that part
PPC is well PPC Phone and iPhone is well iPhones. PPC is out there for soo many years and iPhone is new to the market. I am not against PPC nor defending Apple
I would just like to point that out

I loved the Trinity and I wish I still had it.
I beat the hell out of that phone and not a speck of paint ever came off mine.
I am thinking of getting the P3600i or the Polaris, thats how much I miss it.

Can't believe people would cry over the paint peeling THAT much... It's just right at the bottom right? Somewhere that can't be seen like 99% of the time... (it's like crying over a pimple where the sun don't shine )
I don't know what's wrong with the bluetooth, but using the SE HBH-DS970, I really can't see what the problem is? I admit it does require abit of tweaking to get the sound to go perfect, but that's a matter of minutes, once off.
To compare the device with iPhone or even an iPod (wtf?!) is... simply an insult... (for the reasons listed by above posters)
You really gotta read these forums more coz I'm sensing you haven't even scratched the potential of this phone...

chunga168 said:
Can't believe people would cry over the paint peeling THAT much... It's just right at the bottom right? Somewhere that can't be seen like 99% of the time... (it's like crying over a pimple where the sun don't shine )
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Not complaining about my Trinity, it is doing all i require of it, but the paint peeling off is not just restricted to one part, its all of the anodised bit. i am loosing balck across the bottom and up both sides, near the buttons. Lay mine on the desk and the bottom edge looks decidedly scruffy and that's on a device thats less than four months old. Given its retail value it really should last longer before looking scruffy around the edges.

Don't compare a locked hypy Iphone to a customizable and complete PPC
I agree that comparing Trinity to the Hype-crap Iphone is an insult.
The Iphone lacks some essential functions as listed by above posters.
It's good looking, it's hypy, it's user-friendly, OK, but in terms of functionalities, and compatibility with softs, games etc. it's an old out-dated apple-locked phone.
Some one pointed out the fact that PPC users like to customize their device to make it look like an Iphone. Yep, so what?
Do you really think that means that those people dont want to enjoy their GPS, MMS, Video-recording, Tons of games and personalized softwares and tweaks anymore?
I don't think so, it's just that they think (like everybody) that the Iphone has a fresh-good-looking and hypy appearance... but unfortunately, only that.
So they take out what they like in it, and they can do so because, the PPC is easy to customize and modify ;-)
Do you know why Iphone users don't put a PPC like GPS, MMS service, video recording, all the games and softs they envy us on their device?
Because... they just CAN'T do it until Papa-Job decides to allow them to.
To conclude, about the paint-peeling issue, I believe this is a disapointing point on the Trinity and I sympathize with people suffering from that, but...
It doesn't seem to be a problem on the WHITE devices, only the black ones as I've heard. At least my white one doesn't have such a problem.
And since Apple fan-boys love the white color, I really don't see what could make them prefer the Iphone, except fidelity and obediance...

deedee said:
Not complaining about my Trinity, it is doing all i require of it, but the paint peeling off is not just restricted to one part, its all of the anodised bit. i am loosing balck across the bottom and up both sides, near the buttons. Lay mine on the desk and the bottom edge looks decidedly scruffy and that's on a device thats less than four months old. Given its retail value it really should last longer before looking scruffy around the edges.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Oh I see, I didn't understand it was that bad.... my top and sides aren't affected at all, it's only the bottom coz I keep putting it onto the cradle.
But I've only had my phone for about 3 months, no case no nothing.
It's alright, i can't imagine myself disliking the phone even if the paint's peeling like that.

the paint thing is plain stupid on a piece of kit like this. It starts as small specks falling off, now I'm in the same position as others- big chunks coming off all over the metal part. Looks very messy.
I'm tempted to peel the lot off so at least it's one colour (chrome).
I logged a call with Orange ages ago and no response.
This is the best device so far- all I can think is if you see those issues as showstoppers, you probably haven't worked out all you can do with it!
I don't want to send mine off for repair. Going a day without it would be hard, weeks impossible.

siavash.babaei said:
...I am sure IPhone is a better and wiser choice. Both Technology-Wise and Money-Wise ...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Money-wise?! You gotta be kiddin' me

I hate to see these threads disappear into iphone praising/bashing, but I'm going to join in.
WM is chronically flawed, and appears to be making zero progress in the right direction. I use it on my trinity, because thats the best solution for me, today.
The Trinity is a nice piece of hardware, appears well engineered and very well featured, WM6 is a dissapointment.
The iphone bashing revolves around a few points, video - I would be surprised if a soft update doesn't sort this in the next few months. MMS, yes it should be there, and will be in a few months. GPS, will be in the 2G model, the technology is still quite immature for mobile applications Apple will be looking for much quicker aquisitions, something not really cracked yet. Finally 3G, the reason its not there is beause it wouldn't fit. Apple designs products with the user in mind, not the technology. Probably 3 years ago they sketched out it should be this shape and work like this, today its possible as the current iphone.
Applications as treated on WM make sense in a desktop enviroment, they dont on a mobile phone. They should be web based apps executing in a protected enviroment a widget type interface will link them into the phone UI as needed. These apps should be about communication anyway not standlone installations.
I honestly find it remarkable the lack of vision as to where this technology is heading, and how its going to be taken to the masses. Think of a 'facebook' phone. The technology is going to start making its way towards the mainstream, its going to be traumatic for the networks as they awaken to the fact their role is simply to provide a gateway, their old fashioned revenue streams simply aren't feasible anymore, much as the landline telco's discovered a few years back. There will be a lot of wingeing from them.
WM died sometime ago, a few have failed to realise, I get the impression even Microsoft have worked this out.

prasys said:
iPhone is well iPhone. I do agree on the flaws. But its just a simple phone that gets to the point. Same goes for MacOS X , a simple system that just works.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
About IPHONE... well yea... it's just a "simple $500 phone".
About MacOS I dont' agree about it being a simple OS. It is a really well built OS. I'm a windows user since Windows 2.0, I also work with Linux, FreeBSD and Solaris systems. Recently I bought a MacBook Pro to give it a try, as it is a well-built laptop. I have to say it really surprised me. The new MacOS is really a Unix system, a fancy linux. In fact, is a window manager over the FreeBSD unix. If you know Unix you can tweak the hell out of it. If you dont, well you can use MacOS as a dummy simple OS.

edpgc said:
Applications as treated on WM make sense in a desktop enviroment, they dont on a mobile phone. They should be web based apps executing in a protected enviroment a widget type interface will link them into the phone UI as needed. These apps should be about communication anyway not standlone installations.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Dude, interesting post... Im working in the embedded market software (IPTV) for 6 years now, and I agree with some of your thoughts. About this one I quote, I dont neccessarily agree you need web-based apps, because of the overhead and memory footprint of a web platform. I think the best architecture is also split in two layers, I accept the widget-type interface, but with communication with a native, frontendless module.
Apple did not invent this. Multi layer applications are in use in Unix systems since X was born, circa 1980.

when dose the paint start peeling off? It think its a great little piece of kit

between iPhone and Trinity, I'll still pick trinity..I will only buy the iPhone when my iPod dies off and i'll use the iPhone as my iPod..My paint peels off at the bottom where the stylus is..suppose it could have been rubber or plastic there..but even so i don have much trouble with it..unstable WM is, it is still much much better than a N6280 which hangs more often than i can use it..anyway..with WM6..its much stable..I'll buy the trinity anytime!

Universal to an iPhone?

Hello fellas and ladies!
My brother got an iPhone a few weeks ago and of course I have been testing it and comparing it to my first love (universal), which is still up for sale if anyone is interested !!!
I would like to mention the following (based on my comparison with my Uni) and ask you a question!
Pros:
3G/wifi internet is faster on the iPhone
- On Uni I have tried with Opera 9.5 and IE
Games are so much more advanced and flawless especially with the accelerometer!
Battery with heavy use on the iPhone lasts a little over a day! The Uni lasts much less with heavy use!! The battery on the Uni is terrible...
Cons:
No SD slot
Battery is not easily accessible
I hate iTunes
practically no cracked/patched soft/games <----- Huge downfall!!
At the moment I can't think of much else.
I can't wait for Omni any longer, they've been promising it for over a year and nothing yet.
So my question is: Would you consider switching from the Uni to the iPhone, and why?

serjay said:
Hello fellas and ladies!
My brother got an iPhone a few weeks ago and of course I have been testing it and comparing it to my first love (universal), which is still up for sale if anyone is interested !!!
I would like to mention the following (based on my comparison with my Uni) and ask you a question!
Pros:
3G/wifi internet is faster on the iPhone
- On Uni I have tried with Opera 9.5 and IE
Games are so much more advanced and flawless especially with the accelerometer!
Battery with heavy use on the iPhone lasts a little over a day! The Uni lasts much less with heavy use!! The battery on the Uni is terrible...
Cons:
No SD slot
Battery is not easily accessible
I hate iTunes
practically no cracked/patched soft/games <----- Huge downfall!!
At the moment I can't think of much else.
I can't wait for Omni any longer, they've been promising it for over a year and nothing yet.
So my question is: Would you consider switching from the Uni to the iPhone, and why?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Never!! never!!
I just have too much reasons to not buying an Iphone never in my life......
Read here to find out more: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=314455

orb3000 said:
Never!! never!!
I just have too much reasons to not buying an Iphone never in my life......
Read here to find out more: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=314455
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I have respectfully read and agreed with most points in that thread!
However! my main reason for getting the iPhone would be internet access and battery life. Yes! I said it! battery life! my Uni will not last 5 hours internet browsing + video + music + games + work (word, notepad, calc, txt, mail, camera and so on) And I don't want to get an extended battery as its bulky as it is.
As much as we all want to hate the iPhone (me included!), we can't deny its internet browsing speeds both on WiFi and 3G (which is at the moment my main interest) Also GPS, accelerometer (fun!) and the crisp LCD! + more of which I can't think of right now.
I also have a problem with my Uni losing signal quiet often, and I get complaints that I'm unreachable!!! and I have tried many ROMs and Radios to fix this.
I don't know if its the hype of the iPhone or my frustration with the Uni that I'm considering it.
I guess, I just want a phone that works and capable of browsing 3G speeds...
But I will miss all the necessities that PPC offers!
Why can't someone on this forum flash the iPhone with WM6.1???!!!! Now that would be sweet!
I don't know what to do, I'm in dire need of battery life + 3G speed + 3.5 LCD (and above) + compact and accelerometer lol
Any thoughts?

I had an Iphone and sold it....as a gadget is nice specially for its multimedia features, but as a convergence device falls short in many ways..I wouldn't even consider trade it back for my HtC tilt much less for the Uni.

Could you buy/check in your country Samsung i900 Omnia? Much more features than iPhone, everybody speaks very good about it, and in Italy even cheaper than iPhone.
If I had to choose between Omnia and iPhone no doubt for Omnia, but I still have my Universal and it still works so good (even better with all the ROMS here )

asolano895 said:
I had an Iphone and sold it....as a gadget is nice specially for its multimedia features, but as a convergence device falls short in many ways..I wouldn't even consider trade it back for my HtC tilt much less for the Uni.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I completely agree with you and I'm not even thinking of it as a replacement of my beloved Uni no matter how many times my Uni losses signal. I've even considered carrying them both in my two pockets, and yes I am joking!! but the thought did cross my mind!
But wouldn't you confirm that the battery life is better, 3G/WiFi is faster, and undoubtedly we'll see some development as far as hacks and manipulations with the ROM... I'm really hoping that someone can flash it with WM6.1 now that would be an awesome phone!
dagosjt said:
Could you buy/check in your country Samsung i900 Omnia? Much more features than iPhone, everybody speaks very good about it, and in Italy even cheaper than iPhone.
If I had to choose between Omnia and iPhone no doubt for Omnia, but I still have my Universal and it still works so good (even better with all the ROMS here )
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
We do have the i900 up here, but I don't want to downgrade to a smaller screen if anything I'd like a larger one. Aside from the screen size it's a very impressive phone!
I don't understand why manufacturers do this moronic.... THING!!!! its absolutely frustrating why would you compete (i900) with the iPhone which has a 3.5" lcd with a 3.2"!!!!???? if only i900 had a larger screen I wouldn't even turn my head in iPhone's direction....... uuuuhhhhggggghhhhhhh

Why not get a touch diamond or touch pro? I have gone from the XDA Exec (Universal) to the diamond and am happy.
The on screen keyboard is tricky at first but my diamond flies and gets over a day so far when using GPS / Wifi etc. I would have gone for the pro as I am very used to the unis keyboard but in the end I couldn't justify the £150+ on top of what I got my Diamond for to go with the Pro just for the keyboard, card slot and extra memory. Try one out you might be surpised how nice they are and what they offer

AndyChecker said:
Why not get a touch diamond or touch pro? I have gone from the XDA Exec (Universal) to the diamond and am happy.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I wish it was that easy, but I can't seem to settle with a smaller screen size than the one I have now.. I simply can't.
I appreciate your recomendation but the screen size is stopping me from moving past this obsession with the iPhone! Also, the speed of the 3G/WiFi as I mentioned above is what pushing me to get the iPhone...
All the people I know who own an iPhone not only are they happy with it but with every passing day they enjoy it even more.

The iPhone is far from being a good phone for buisiness use. You have limitations with e-mails, you don't synchronise easily with Outlook, the contacts are not accessed as easily as on WM6 and that is a very important aspect, if you have many contacts in your list.
The iPhone will make you scroll much more through the list, which is time consuming.
I tried the browsing, but the lack of keyboard is frustrating. The browser might be quite good, but it is not THAT much better.
iTunes is too annoying for me - I don't want to synchronize my musics, I just want to copy my mp3 songs. I HATE iTunes and would NEVER buy an iPod unless they change that.
Then you get a completly locked device, no memory expansion, no SDK, no freeware,...
I know - there now is a free SDK, but it is limited (cannot access all funtions) and developers have to pay to publish it, which means there won't be freeware.
All in all, I would say, the iPhone looks good, is a nice gadget and suits a normal user fine.
I however like to have something more powerfull: great screen, keyboard, lots of software and emulators. Hell, on the Universal you can even run DOS!
Cheers,
vma

vma said:
The iPhone is far from being a good phone for buisiness use. You have limitations with e-mails, you don't synchronise easily with Outlook, the contacts are not accessed as easily as on WM6 and that is a very important aspect, if you have many contacts in your list.
The iPhone will make you scroll much more through the list, which is time consuming.
I tried the browsing, but the lack of keyboard is frustrating. The browser might be quite good, but it is not THAT much better.
iTunes is too annoying for me - I don't want to synchronize my musics, I just want to copy my mp3 songs. I HATE iTunes and would NEVER buy an iPod unless they change that.
Then you get a completly locked device, no memory expansion, no SDK, no freeware,...
I know - there now is a free SDK, but it is limited (cannot access all funtions) and developers have to pay to publish it, which means there won't be freeware.
All in all, I would say, the iPhone looks good, is a nice gadget and suits a normal user fine.
I however like to have something more powerfull: great screen, keyboard, lots of software and emulators. Hell, on the Universal you can even run DOS!
Cheers,
vma
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Completly agree mate, well said!
In that case I would prefer to try HTC G1 with the new Android, but Iphone never!
Cheers

vma said:
...I HATE iTunes and would NEVER buy an iPod unless they change that.
Then you get a completly locked device, no memory expansion, no SDK, no freeware,...
I know - there now is a free SDK, but it is limited (cannot access all funtions) and developers have to pay to publish it, which means there won't be freeware.
...lots of software and emulators. Hell, on the Universal you can even run DOS!
Cheers,
vma
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
These are the reasons as to why I still haven't committed to an iPhone.
It would be very hard to go from a Uni to something so "LOCKED" and "ONE DIMENSIONAL" But I do need a fast internet browsing device and a better battery life without the bulk, and not to mention the ability to receive calls in a home's basement which my Uni is not capable of doing.
Perhaps I'll wait until the G1 comes out as orb3000 said but than again I've seen it and its hideous!
I don't know... I just need a phone that works with fast browsing abilities, but then again I'll miss all the things that the Uni and WM represent!!

Honestly try a touch pro or diamond for a few hours - get one and send it back if not happy? I think you will be surprised

AndyChecker said:
Honestly try a touch pro or diamond for a few hours - get one and send it back if not happy? I think you will be surprised
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Maybe I'll go back to the mall and play with the diamond again... but I need someone to come with me so that I can be held away from the iPhone!! any volunteers?

vma said:
the contacts are not accessed as easily as on WM6 and that is a very important aspect, if you have many contacts in your list.[/QOUTE]
ahhh...Not true, with the latest firmware you can search through your contacts like in WM6
[QOUTE]
The iPhone will make you scroll much more through the list, which is time consuming.[/QOUTE]
Again, this is not true; for alphabetically arranged stuff in a list you can use the Alphabet row on the Right hand side to quickly scroll, otherwise IMHO scrolling is a lot easier with the new Multi-touch vs taking out the stylus and using it to scroll.
[QOUTE] tried the browsing, but the lack of keyboard is frustrating. The browser might be quite good, but it is not THAT much better.[/QOUTE]
Again, safari is miles ahead of internet explorer, using NF or opera reduces the margin by a fair margin, but guess what, all the sites that have been "optimized" for the iphone really fit seamlessly with the entire UI, and that is what makes safari a joy to use. Actually if you have an iphone (or can beg, borrow or steal one) try going to web sites like google, yahoo, amazon, facebook and see the difference yourself
[QOUTE]iTunes is too annoying for me - I don't want to synchronize my musics, I just want to copy my mp3 songs. I HATE iTunes and would NEVER buy an iPod unless they change that.[/QOUTE]
with the new itunes and the 2.0.x firmware , you can drag and drop your music into your iphone.
if you don't want to sync your PIM to outlook, you can forgo itunes completely and use a "FREE" winamp plugin"
going a bit off topic i simply HATE active-sync.(i may be a bit biased here as i owned a palm pilot and simply loved the simplicity and stability of Hot-sync
[QOUTE]Then you get a completly locked device, no memory expansion, no SDK, no freeware,...[/QOUTE]
Again, when we got our devices (UNI in our case) did we not have to worry about CID unlock, SIM unlock ???
How is jailbreaking and unlocking the iphone any different than what we did??
As far as an memory expansion slot is concerned, HTC is coming out with more and more devices without expansion slot, so why just blame apple??
[QOUTE]I know - there now is a free SDK, but it is limited (cannot access all funtions) and developers have to pay to publish it, which means there won't be freeware.[/QOUTE]
1)Yes, the SDK is free but is limited
2)Search for open toolchain to know how to get complete access
3)since you don't use iphone/itunes you have NO CLUE about the amount of free ware available through itunes. And did i mention that most of the software on the installer app and CYDIA is FREE.
talking bout "limited access", did the CORE player guys ever get access to the nVidia graphic accelerator in some HTC's??
[QOUTE]All in all, I would say, the iPhone looks good, is a nice gadget and suits a normal user fine.[/QOUTE]
very true
[QOUTE]I however like to have something more powerfull: great screen, keyboard, lots of software and emulators. Hell, on the Universal you can even run DOS![/QOUTE]
1)Uni's screen is CRAP. on a mildly sunny day, at max brightness the screen is completely washed out and unreadable.Yes it does have a VGA screen but the color reproduction, contrast is really really bad.
the iphone's screen on the other hand is FANTASTIC. with the sun beating down hard, the thing is still very readable!!! not to mention the contrast,brightness and colour reproduction is very good.
BTW when will HTC realise that it is time to R.I.P for the 65k screens???
2)leaving the 3g stuff apart, the iphone is way more powerful than are UNI (which is to be expected as the UNI is almost 3 years old)
3)if you can run DOS on the UNI, i can run UNIX bash on the iphone
4)there are loads of free QUALITY softwares and emulators available for the iphone (free and paid)
P.S- i made the switch from my uni to the iphone last year in oct. and have not regretted the decision even once.
heck its been more than 3 months since i last charged my UNI
Click to expand...
Click to collapse

Thank you fallenczar for the quality information as you are a previous Uni owner, thus you can create a relation between the two and provide a none biased opinion.
Thank you!

serjay said:
Thank you fallenczar for the quality information as you are a previous Uni owner, thus you can create a relation between the two and provide a none biased opinion.
Thank you!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
not a problem at all.
however bear in mind that your choice should be decided on what you intend to do with your phone.
if you REPLY to lot of emails/ need PUSH-email/edit documents / then stay away from the iphone.
if on the otherhand , you only read emails (or only occasionally reply) and want a good, simple and stable phone with excellent multimedia functions, go for the iphone.
on a side note, i felt that my UNI was never a good "phone", i always had problems with signal strength, people complained that my voice was to 'muffled' or choppy.
after switching over to the iphone, i have not experienced these problems, now it very well may be that my cell service provider has upgraded there equipment or installed a new tower in my vicinity, but i have reason to think otherwise

Never get rid of my Uni
Yes, I'll never get rid of it! It's a great device!
I laugh at those who carry around their laptops and cellphones. I have it in my pocket... Running WM, linux or Dos - trying to run Android, what would you want more...

hey guys just got my iPhone...
Would like to point out that so far I'm not impressed but I am loving the fast internet speeds. YouTube quality is absolutely horible; I am very disapointed with its quality very choppy but is still watchable.
I'm enjoying the fact that I can post using my phone, hoever entering text is very difficult and uncomfortable but I'm sure I can get used to it.
I will try to compare it to the Uni and report back

serjay said:
hey guys just got my iPhone...
Would like to point out that so far I'm not impressed but I am loving the fast internet speeds. YouTube quality is absolutely horible; I am very disapointed with its quality very choppy but is still watchable.
I'm enjoying the fact that I can post using my phone, hoever entering text is very difficult and uncomfortable but I'm sure I can get used to it.
I will try to compare it to the Uni and report back
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
choppy video...
how fast is your internet speed???

Sorry I haven't been home enough to make a comparison to my Uni...
What I found out is that the streaming video quality of the iPhone is as much pixelsted as on any other device, so I take back what I said above.
The 3G speeds are well beyond what I expected and a significantly faster than on my Uni.
I am very pleased with it right now and I can't wait to jailbreak it. I wish we had a section for the iPhone on this forum...
I'm posting using the iPhone, and the texting i'm getting used to so no issues with that!
Overall very pleased!
P.S. I've yet to try out the games..

X1 goes in the draw tomorrow...

time for an iPhone 3G S tomorrow! yay...
X1 was the biggest dissapointment ever for me! this phone was so over hyped and then when it finally came out the panels interface was just this biggest flop ever! still is...i mean seriously?!?!? where are they all?
anyway...enough of all this windows mobile ****...even 6.5 is a let down...
i guess thats why i'm also buying a MacBook Pro next week too!

frozenwaffles said:
time for an iPhone 3G S tomorrow! yay...
X1 was the biggest dissapointment ever for me! this phone was so over hyped and then when it finally came out the panels interface was just this biggest flop ever! still is...i mean seriously?!?!? where are they all?
anyway...enough of all this windows mobile ****...even 6.5 is a let down...
i guess thats why i'm also buying a MacBook Pro next week too!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
AM in the same boat, first time got fed up with xperia problems so much , that i bought a iphone 3gs, although am still using both,,, i cant tell you ,,how much easier things are in 3gs with all the apps around.
vj

Well .. I'm quite disappointed too .. but iPhone just wont cut it for me. For example I require playback of non-converted videos in common formats (avi,mpg,flv). No smartphone can do that well at the moment.
I'm at the moment I'm staying with Xperia and hoping that Palm wont block 3rd part media player development ..
But sure, iPhone, especially the new one, looks great, and everything it can do it does better. Way better.

iPhone is for macfags.

frozenwaffles said:
time for an iPhone 3G S tomorrow! yay...
X1 was the biggest dissapointment ever for me! this phone was so over hyped and then when it finally came out the panels interface was just this biggest flop ever! still is...i mean seriously?!?!? where are they all?
anyway...enough of all this windows mobile ****...even 6.5 is a let down...
i guess thats why i'm also buying a MacBook Pro next week too!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
The panels interface was indeed the most useless thing ever. That's why I uninstalled it. Although you have had some problems with the X1, you'll encounter new ones with the new iPhone. Add to that, you'll be paying a bucketload of money for that new device. Why would you buy a MacBook? Windows mobile =/ Windows.
vijayvasa said:
AM in the same boat, first time got fed up with xperia problems so much , that i bought a iphone 3gs, although am still using both,,, i cant tell you ,,how much easier things are in 3gs with all the apps around.
vj
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Interesting that you're still using both. Apparently the iPhone lacks something that the X1 doesn't.
Dr.Sid said:
Well .. I'm quite disappointed too .. but iPhone just wont cut it for me. For example I require playback of non-converted videos in common formats (avi,mpg,flv). No smartphone can do that well at the moment.
I'm at the moment I'm staying with Xperia and hoping that Palm wont block 3rd part media player development ..
But sure, iPhone, especially the new one, looks great, and everything it can do it does better. Way better.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
And another great example of how every device has it's problems. There is simply not one device that has it all.
ratchetnclank said:
iPhone is for macfags.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
That is degenerating, not a proper way to approach posts like the above.
--
All in all, personally I prefer the X1 (or any WVGA HTC WM phone) over the iPhone because it's customizable. I like being able to tinker around with it. I also prefer Microsoft's approach (although, I'm aware, they're just as imperfect as any other company) to operating systems.
Then again the iPhone does have much better graphical support, smoother UI etc.
If only Apple and Microsoft would merge

iPhone is for tech illiterate sheep that want to look trendy in front of their equally degenerated friends. Flashy, useless, unproductive toy with features that phones had in 1999............

let us know how you like your iphone.
i was looking and playing with one the other day. it was ok but i like the customization that you can do on the windows mobile. i like the big screen but i didnt like the touch (capacitance?). i like to use my fingernails a bit and it doesnt work on the iphone screen.

The major problem with the iPhone for me is the lack of a hardware keyboard. I can handle a normal phone keypad, prefer a qwerty keyboard but cannot type on a touchscreen. I don't care what some people say, for me, a touchscreen keyboard is not good enough.

c_legaspi said:
let us know how you like your iphone.
i was looking and playing with one the other day. it was ok but i like the customization that you can do on the windows mobile. i like the big screen but i didnt like the touch (capacitance?). i like to use my fingernails a bit and it doesnt work on the iphone screen.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Its not just the xperia its self that puts it down - its the lack of a Microsoft Marketplace yet and Windows mobile 6.5 - xperia would be a lot better if Windows Mobile Market place was available and if the scrolling on it was iphone smooth other than that i like my xperia
WelshBluebird said:
The major problem with the iPhone for me is the lack of a hardware keyboard. I can handle a normal phone keypad, prefer a qwerty keyboard but cannot type on a touchscreen. I don't care what some people say, for me, a touchscreen keyboard is not good enough.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Same - i used ipod touch for typing for ages but after i used xperia keyboard i never want to use a touchscreen keyboard again!

orelsi said:
iPhone is for tech illiterate sheep that want to look trendy in front of their equally degenerated friends. Flashy, useless, unproductive toy with features that phones had in 1999............
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
have You ever had an iphone in Your hand? obviously You are talking nonsense. these days You can do almost every thing on ipod that it's doable on winmo. okay... it is not so customizable, but it's interface is simple and just works. works like a charm. I am keeping xperia only untill september and after that I'll get iphone 3gs or something else, maybe n97 or omnia hd. dunno... it pisses me off that for instance I cannot view videos recorded with my wifes n95 8gb without reencoding. that is just f... silly this days.
why iphone 3gs? well... I went to o2 store yesterday to have a look and I am simply amazed. speed. SPEEED..... it is just that feeling of smootheness of whatever You do on those non wm devices.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QMx6aLGWVU I know, it's not perfect, but try to record something similiar with x1.
please, feel free to give me some reasons why it is worthy to stick with windows mobile except rom flashing and customization of visuals... multitasking is nice, true, but how often You just cannot live without it?? well I can...

frozenwaffles said:
X1 was the biggest dissapointment ever for me! this phone was so over hyped
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yeah dude! The iPhone of course isn't over hyped at all
You'll regret that soon

bronx said:
why iphone 3gs? well... I went to o2 store yesterday to have a look and I am simply amazed. speed. SPEEED..... it is just that feeling of smootheness of whatever You do on those non wm devices.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Exactly what i want in xperia and the smoothness is the main reason i am drawn to the iphone - if the xperia is just as powerfull as the iphone 3G (if not more) why cant it be as smooth is it to do with the resistive touchscreen????

bronx said:
have You ever had an iphone in Your hand? obviously You are talking nonsense. these days You can do almost every thing on ipod that it's doable on winmo. okay... it is not so customizable, but it's interface is simple and just works. works like a charm. I am keeping xperia only untill september and after that I'll get iphone 3gs or something else, maybe n97 or omnia hd. dunno... it pisses me off that for instance I cannot view videos recorded with my wifes n95 8gb without reencoding. that is just f... silly this days.
why iphone 3gs? well... I went to o2 store yesterday to have a look and I am simply amazed. speed. SPEEED..... it is just that feeling of smootheness of whatever You do on those non wm devices.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QMx6aLGWVU I know, it's not perfect, but try to record something similiar with x1.
please, feel free to give me some reasons why it is worthy to stick with windows mobile except rom flashing and customization of visuals... multitasking is nice, true, but how often You just cannot live without it?? well I can...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
u say that u cant view videos recorded with an n95 8gb on ur x1 without re-encoding it(i can btw), but how do u intend to do it using an iPhone?

if You are saying that You can view those videos recorded @ 640 x 480 highest quality on n95 8gb smoothly without massive stuttering, then You are lying. period. I never said that I want an iphone to watch my wifes videos, the other thing is that I never said that I hate xperia. as a matter of fact I still like it a lot, but I am bit tired with this all customize & tweak me for weeks stuff just to realise it is still slow.

bronx said:
if You are saying that You can view those videos recorded @ 640 x 480 highest quality on n95 8gb smoothly without massive stuttering, then You are lying. period. I never said that I want an iphone to watch my wifes videos, the other thing is that I never said that I hate xperia. as a matter of fact I still like it a lot, but I am bit tired with this all customize & tweak me for weeks stuff just to realise it is still slow.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I guess when you get something like an iPhone it works fine out of the box you dont need to tweak it to get it right which is which is what i dont get from windows mobile devices - why are they not already tweaked to offer the best performance?

simple example - why, oh why those simple tweaks like increasing of glyph and filesystem cache are not factory set for performance??

couldnt agree more with u on the disappointment part, sony ericsson produced one hell of a **** expensive phone.. sometimes im even using my old 1st gen iphone :s

Xperia broken.
Last Saturday my X1 broke. I was at a party and decided to jump over a car gate at an old summerhouse. Thing is, it wasn't steadied at all or fastened in the ground, so it swung with my body, resulting in me landing hard on it and it gave my Xperia a good blow. Now half the screen is dead and the slider part is crooked, and I don't have insurance on it so it'll cost me about 100 - 200 dollars to get it fixed.
That is why I'm getting an iPhone 3GS when it comes to Sweden. I like the seamless Mac experience that just works (and is really great looking) and, actually, the fact that I'm not gonna want to flash it every other day.
Don't get me wrong here, I'm quite the avid customizer of all things techy, and I love playing around with settings and tweaks just to feel like I'm improving my device. Now really. I understand why the people here at XDA like their devices - it's because of the new roms. BUT. It's simply retarded for the company making the phone not to include those optimisations OOTB. I understand that a lot of things is set slower by default to gain battery and ensure a safe phone, but let's face it. An iPhone provides a better experience for ALL customers, not only the ones who know how to tweak their device.
I'd suggest by simple human psychology patterns that people like tweaking their phones because it brings them a satisfactory sense of being special - knowing something not all the owners of a particular thing knows. Though, think about it. It would be kind of nice to be free of the constant urge to flash your phone, all you flashoholics? I sure know that I feel that way. Sort of like being free from a time consuming freedom or wanting a schedule when you have nothing but free time.
That's just my two cents, I won't miss my Xperia much. I'm rather glad it broke (although it was a blow to my economics, but hey).

felixkry said:
Last Saturday my X1 broke. I was at a party and decided to jump over a car gate at an old summerhouse. Thing is, it wasn't steadied at all or fastened in the ground, so it swung with my body, resulting in me landing hard on it and it gave my Xperia a good blow. Now half the screen is dead and the slider part is crooked, and I don't have insurance on it so it'll cost me about 100 - 200 dollars to get it fixed.
That is why I'm getting an iPhone 3GS when it comes to Sweden. I like the seamless Mac experience that just works (and is really great looking) and, actually, the fact that I'm not gonna want to flash it every other day.
Don't get me wrong here, I'm quite the avid customizer of all things techy, and I love playing around with settings and tweaks just to feel like I'm improving my device. Now really. I understand why the people here at XDA like their devices - it's because of the new roms. BUT. It's simply retarded for the company making the phone not to include those optimisations OOTB. I understand that a lot of things is set slower by default to gain battery and ensure a safe phone, but let's face it. An iPhone provides a better experience for ALL customers, not only the ones who know how to tweak their device.
I'd suggest by simple human psychology patterns that people like tweaking their phones because it brings them a satisfactory sense of being special - knowing something not all the owners of a particular thing knows. Though, think about it. It would be kind of nice to be free of the constant urge to flash your phone, all you flashoholics? I sure know that I feel that way. Sort of like being free from a time consuming freedom or wanting a schedule when you have nothing but free time.
That's just my two cents, I won't miss my Xperia much. I'm rather glad it broke (although it was a blow to my economics, but hey).
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yea i started flashing my phone but then one day i realised that the stock ones are just as good really and more stable but your right about the tweaking and such it makes you feel like your phone is faster - Maybe when you start using your iphone you will start to miss and acknowledge the little things that make the xperia really good but we will see

comeradealexi said:
Yea i started flashing my phone but then one day i realised that the stock ones are just as good really and more stable but your right about the tweaking and such it makes you feel like your phone is faster - Maybe when you start using your iphone you will start to miss and acknowledge the little things that make the xperia really good but we will see
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I had smabergs's Touch X so I'll miss the nice sms interface, and of course the keyboard! Other than that, I'll make it through my switch fine

I LOVE my HD2 (I know, for a change eh!?)

Well seem as there are endless threads with people moaning how much they dislike the HD2 I thought it was time to have one for people that are actually happy with it, because in fairness it’s by far the best phone I’ve ever purchased.
I’ve owned an iPhone and yes there are things that I miss like the great 3D games and apps in the App store, an integrated music store and most of all the genius playlist feature in the music player. All this is just software features though, and by the sounds of it WM7 will integrate them.
You think how much revenue Apple make through the iTunes music and App store you really think Microsoft are going to miss out on that opportunity? (Well okay there is the Marketplace but let’s face it, it was slapped together in 5 mins and that’s how it looks!)
Rumours of Zune integration have been mentioned several times and what a perfect way to introduce Zune into the European market. (You noticed how it’s been integrated on the Xbox in the past few months...)
Just a bit if patience is all that’s required. Have a feeling WM7 will cover all Windows Mobiles short comings.
However enough of what missing – now the good bit - the hardware kicks ass!
The screens amazing (My iPhone screen looks so tiny and low res when I use it now) and I love how responsive it is... everything’s instant and smooth. The phone looks amazing, love the brushed metal back and that slightly rubbery feeling black plastic, it feels expensive and looks great.
SenseUI is a joy to use. The weather background is a really nice touch and actually useful. More so I love how it uses the GPS and always knows where you are! Music player is good, love the cover flow art (yes they blatantly nicked that idea but least it looks great and works just as well)...
Internet is by far the best on a mobile. The large screen really shines through; it’s not far off a desktop experience and very useable.
Mine also came with CoPilot installed which I purchased (£27 with European map – bargain!) which works brilliantly... as good as a proper sat nav.
Lots of little things finish it off, the screen doesn’t just come on, it smoothly brightens... if someone calls me who isn’t in my phone book it asks me after if I’d like to save that number for future use... the ringer quietens when I pick the phone up... the list goes on...
I’ve had it 3 months and still love it as much as day one.
Okay it has frozen up on me a few times (It runs Windows, I mean come on a version of Windows that didn’t crash? Well that wouldn’t be right would it?) Since the firmware upgrade it’s actually been very stable (so far). Do still get the odd freeze when sliding to unlock which can be annoying. Nothings perfect and it can all be solved with software updates. (Oh and the battery lasts one day, I know, but some of us sleep at night and therefore find time to charge it!)
Anyway that was an essay but thought it was time that maybe we focused on all the great things for a change. Makes you wonder if people dislike it so much they don’t just exchange it? Most networks give you 14 days to swap (Well Vodafone did, I'm sure others do). Its funny how iPhones short comings always seem to get ignored isn’t it? It was launched in 2007 and software wise it was groundbreaking but its 2010 and little has changed... the HD2 makes it look, well... very 2000 and late

Glad to hear this against the backdrop of all the whining and distraught posts
"HTC SCREWED US!" lol.

+1, like this love my hd2 too

+1 love my HD2 really sweet and getting better by the day.

+1 love my HD2

I actually love my wife...
but HD2, I like quite well, too.

Lol... my girl friend has been complaining about me ignoring her and spend most of my free time on my HD2. (she asked me to hug the HD2 to bed! ) but that had changed though..
Love my girl friend first.
then the HD2..

+1 me too, absolutely love this beautiful beast of a phone, especially with the new 1.66 rom its amazing!

Agree
Agree with everything you say, i"ve had many mobiles and PDAs over the years including the iPhone 3Gs but nothing comes close to the HD2 at the moment, Fantastic Screen, Powerful Processor and very Fast and Responsive. Has everything i need. but more Apps will be great.

I had an HTC Diamond before I got my HD2. Its such a big step up.
Loving the GPS Never owned a GPS device before, and it sure is handy.

I love GOD, my wife, my family and I love my HD2!!!! Its "Fantabulous"... the best thing since sliced bread. )

I have to agree with all of the above.
I am somehow new to the smartphone mobile world ... had owned a N73 (nokia was my first love), an HTC Diamond (beautiful phone, also very customizable) continued with an Iphone 3g (very good for a while by my history with the Diamond made me miss it's overall liberty of choice and flexibility. The HD2 brought together all the things I loved about the previous phones; N73 camera (good camera for it's time, same with the hd now), Iphone's capacitive screen (we must admit, they started it) and the Diamond's screen quality, high resolution suitable for the screen size, the customization level (i must thanks MS and XDA).. and more, great hardware (with nice surprises, see the RAM discoveries).
Conclusion: I love this phone with all of its occasional lock-downs

+1.....Fantastic phone and more....Sure there's bugs.....but since the introduction there already have been some new Official ROM updates from HTC, so I guess that they are indeed listening to the people roaming around this place, and I'm sure that more Official ROM Updates will follow the next couple of months, which make it possible for the wonderfull cooks at XDA to perform their magic
I for one, will not be changing to another Mobile device for a long time !!!

I loved it with 148 and love it even more with 166, smooooth

I love my HD2 also.
Before I had a Qtec 2020i with 2003SE. Now the HD2
WinMobile is good and give you still some freedom. Freedom is something that you cant find by Apple. What I like most is the sync with a pc. The agenda and contacts works fine.
Together with a program Pocket Controller Pro, I can remotely type sms and other stuff. It is true that in some cases you need to search for a solution and it is not simple for some of us. But finding the solution give you even a greater satisfaction. The HD2 is not cheap but you get a lot for your money.

I agree too, Best phone i have ever had, definatly gets better every day, customised perfect for my needs, Excellent !

Can I just add to this:
I love God, my wife, my cat and the HD2.
In terms of instant gratification, however, I prefer the HD2. Mind you, the cat comes close.
rjstep3

Upgraded from an LG Secret myself, hell of an upgrade.
+ 1 Happy HD2 owner

love my hd2...check
love my pregnant missus....check
despise all religions and everything they stand for....check
can I still play with only 2 out of 3??

samsamuel said:
love my hd2...check
love my pregnant missus....check
despise all religions and everything they stand for....check
can I still play with only 2 out of 3??
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
...a bit harsh on the wife Sir, I shall pray for your soul.