Is there away to clone my sim card so I don't have to keep taken it out and switching it from phone to phone. If there is can I do it with my phone or do i have to buy a sim card reader.......... Thank You!
Nowadays you almost never can. Some older generation sims could be copied once someone broke the encryption on them, but operators were quick to switch to a newer version and that hasn't been broken (yet).
Some operators also have countermeasures in the sims that simply blow a fuse if you try to clone them with regularly available cloning kits.
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Hi,
Was looking at the twin sim option but seem the same seller on ebay is offering this:-
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Universal-6-N...836681504QQcategoryZ67966QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Universal 6 Number in 1 Sim Card for GSM Mobile Phone
Looks like it could stop having the bulge on rear of phone that the twin sim causes.
Any comments on whether it may work?
Scott
That looks neat - however, I have been told that this sort of thing won't work on UK SIMS due to the encryption standard we use (or something like that - sorry to be vague)
I've emailed the seller to ask him if it'll work with UK sims, and will let you know. If it does, I'll try one in the T-Mobile Vario (Wizard).
It is a UK seller so I guess it will work on UK SIMs.
Just got an email from the seller saying:-
The software is only standard STK menu
So - I doubt there is software for Windows Mobile device but I would loved to be proved wrong
Scott
yes, you'd think so wouldn't you...
From googling around, it appears that all supersims have a restriction that they only work with V1 and V1+ SIM cards. Not V2...
...and apparently all recent UK sims are "V2". I'm afraid I'm just passing on info from this forum, and have no way of checking what sims are v1 or v2. If someone will let me know how to check, I will do for o2 and t-mobile sims that I have
slewis1972: be very careful. As indicated, 6in1 are sim copiers, that require cracking the encryption on the sim before they can host the copy.
If this cracking doesn't work, it's destructive AFAIK. So, you'll be left without a sim. They work only on older Cellnet era sims (in the UK) and ok in some foreign countries.
I've posted on a £4 sim cut dual sim from ebay. Works well on Magician.
Hope that helps.
V
STK menu means SIM Toolkit. STK is a way for SIM cards to have their own menu with special functions on mobile phones.
This is not used much by UK operators, but it is very used elsewhere. You simply get an additional menu in your mobile phone.
This is also supported by Jams and Wizards of course, as it is a standard feature of SIM cards. One of my SIM cards have a STK menu, and it appears perfectly on the Wizard (and previously on Jam).
The problem is whether the PC software will be able to copy the data residing in our SIM cards, whether UK or non-UK. In theory, if our mobile phone can read this data, then why shouldn't this kit be able to do it.
We need more answers from the vendor. It might actually work.
A bit more research: there's no current sim copiers that can "crack" the encryption on a V2 SIM, although sim max are apparently working on it.
Every card in the last 2 years - possibly longer - has been a v2 card.
again, I'd love to be wrong as I'd love this to work, but I think it's sorta doomed
Thanks for your research.
I am waiting for an answer from the vendor, but I have also sent emails to one of his previous customers. There are also guys in the UK among his previous customers.
In any case, I do not get the argument related to encryption. Any mobile phone can read the data on any SIM, as long as you give it the correct PIN number. The encryption might be an issue if someone tries to crack the SIM without knowing the PIN code, but in this case, we all know the PIN codes of our SIMs, so why shouldn't this device be able to read the content of our SIM cards...
Anyway, let's see what the vendor will reply. He is got excellent eBay feedback by the way, and many have bought this 6 in 1 super SIM...
Sirox, I suggest you do some detailed reading on this before you risk a SIM on it. There's a great difference between getting the sim PIN and this procedure. This requires you to crack the encryption of the SIM itself and clone it, and then emulate it back from the clone card.
This is not something most Operators like (although some operators will provide you with a second sim to use simultaneously if you ask).
v1 cards had a weak encryption.
v2 cards (current) are hard, if not impossible to crack, AFAIK.
http://www.gsm-talk.com/t227735p1-please-help-cloning-uk-sim.htm
From http://ucables.com/ref/SIM-SCAN
some cards can be destroyed using this function!!! especially prepaid cards!!! because they have limited running of a38 from 10000 to 65536 times and after that a38 do not work anymore!!!
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Hi Vijay,
Thanks for your info.
The vendor has replied to me saying that this product supports V1 and some V2 type SIM cards, about 98% of SIM cards around. And you have to note that UK GSM providers have never been particularly up for high technology, compared for example to Italian GSM providers who use much more advanced SIM cards, with lots of menus, and 128K, etc.
What I have done, I have written messages to 6 UK-based people who have bought this stuff on eBay (all with positive feedback), asking them to report back how it works and which GSM providers they use. I believe this is the best way of solving the issue.
In any case, I am not at all interested in cloning my SIM card per se, as this would be easily done by asking the operator for a duplicate for car usage. I am only interested in having my 2-3 SIM cards (of different countries) in one, without needing to swap them.
I will report here when I receive answers from those previous customers.
Maybe this can help you ...
Explain how to distinguish V1 from V2 SIM card ...
http://www.nowgsm.com/supersim.htm
16 in 1 SIM
Take care about the NOTE : Work near 100% on V1 card but incompatible with V2 ...
Regards
Asmo
Thanks for the info and the link!
The product mentioned in your link seems to have different specs from the one that originated this thread, as this one declares that it can read some V2 cards too.
By the way, the indication in the note might be useful. It says that if the SIM supports more than 250 numbers it may not be compatible. As a matter of fact, my Vodafone UK (contract) SIM card has only 200 slots, so it might be COMP128V1, therefore compatible.
As I said earlier, UK operators do not tend to use latest technology. In Italy for example, GSM operators made big marketing campaigns a couple of year ago for the new 64K SIM cards. Now they are doing it with the 128K SIM cards, while in the UK I think they are all still 16K or 32K. And they do not use the SIM Toolkit features.
By the way, a couple of eBay customers have already replied that they haven't received the stuff yet, but will let me know when they receive it.
A few months ago I was almost going to buy a sim card reader and a special SIM Card that was supposed be able to hold the information for 12 different cards. Then I got my wallaby, and started scouring the internet looking for software to do this on my P10B1. Anyone heard of any software that could read and write to sim cards in this way? If not, someone should make it.
this is impossible.
nothing is impossible, maybe if you'd elaborate on your idea's a little more we'd understand why you think it is impossible to clone a sim card. Even if the sim reader doesnt have the capability to write, Software could be written to read the information from a sim card and electronically store it to be used for later. Perhaps phones could be used without sim cards.
Hi,
Is there any possibility to update Phone software in TyTN or do anything to could make a sim card images ?
I have 3 sim cards and use them often, but always have to replace them in my TyTN by taking battery out and in...
If sim card is a data card, I thought that maybe there us any chance to use some software like for normal CD Image...
Have you ever heard about something like that ?
There are multi-SIM cards which offer the ability to store multiple individual SIMs and activate whichever one you want (though it's always only 1 live card at any given time). Basically, you use a computer to copy multiple SIM cards' information all onto one card, then use the multi-SIM software on the phone to switch between them.
However, most modern SIM cards are encrypted and if you try too hard to decrypt it, the SIM card can actually break as a result. For example, I'm told that most SIM cards you get in the UK these days are more or less uncrackable for this purpose. But I'm not sure about the situation in other countries.
Is there a way I can clone/duplicate my sim card? I have a 8525 with BB connect but I also have a Blackberry, and I want to have the same chip in both so I can utilize either one without having to swap sim cards all the time. I know that I cannot have both on at the same time, but I am just paranoid about messing with sim card too much.
theoretically you can, but its a very complex progress on the new cards and im not aware of anyone who has cracked it. On older SIM cards it is possible however, so it really depends how old it is.
The problem is network authentication; the card connects to the network which then sends out a 'key'. To connect, the phone must respond with the correct answer which it deciphers from that key. On older sim cards there was a way of tricking the card into giving up the algorithm used to calculate its response, but the security is a lot harder to crack on new cards.
What does those duplicators do that I see all the time. What about the universal cards? I thought there might be a way of using something like that to copy the card. But maybe I am wrong.
You can try this, its the most popular cloning software that will do a full clone (its spanish)
http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?u=http%3A%2F%2Fsimemu.cjb.net%2F&langpair=es%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF8
Like i said, people clone the older cards. It can depend on your network and what checks they perform, etc I know here in the UK the networks are quite tight, but its not the same everywhere.
Thanks, I will check this out and see what I can do with it.
Hi,
I'm wondering if there is a dual sim holder that fit in the kaiser.
I'd like one with no cut options. I've googled my question, but no answers...
Any ideas ?
Thanks for your help
I too would be extremely interested in this...
Still no ideas ???
dual sim
with no cut i think is impossebel
but wizh cut's
go to
http://www.simore.ch/fr/accessoires_pour_mobiles/HTC/P4550.html
certainly look impressive, but for tytn 2 you can only cut cards. have you tried one?
this looks awesome. anyone tested it yet?
or you can try to clone your card
other options is cloning the card. I did that couple years ago in my tmobile-usa card.
leeky said:
other options is cloning the card. I did that couple years ago in my tmobile-usa card.
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How could you manage this !!!
Very interresting
woaloo said:
How could you manage this !!!
Very interresting
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im using this tools since 4 years ago ...
http://sim-max.biz/store/index.php
cheers
indra9110
leeky said:
other options is cloning the card. I did that couple years ago in my tmobile-usa card.
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AFAIK this is only possible for networks and SIM cards using the COMP128 algorithm for authenticating the SI to the network. I don't know who still uses COMP128 but certainly in the UK no provider uses it on recent SIMs.
Highly unlikely to work with any USIM for the same reason - COMP128 is potentially insecure (obviously, if you can clone the SIM) so has been replaced with newer algorithms.
Just my 2p'th.
epninety said:
AFAIK this is only possible for networks and SIM cards using the COMP128 algorithm for authenticating the SI to the network. I don't know who still uses COMP128 but certainly in the UK no provider uses it on recent SIMs.
Highly unlikely to work with any USIM for the same reason - COMP128 is potentially insecure (obviously, if you can clone the SIM) so has been replaced with newer algorithms.
Just my 2p'th.
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Yes you are right! I bought an old Tmobile card, before 2001 production, then I made clone and call tmobile to made a change to clonen-able tmobile card. I tried a couple of card before finally succesful. The new card have new algorithma and it is less likeable to be force to read for longer period of time than old one.
so getting back on track, has anyone used a dual card adapter in a TyTn II?
i assume you have a program to switch cards
I've been trying to find a Dual SIM Holder that can be used in the Kaiser without Cutting the SIM cards, but I don't think such a Dual Sim Holder exists, there is just too little space where the Kaiser holds its SIM
I really cannot cut my SIM as I have a work and personal SIM I want to use, and if i cut/loose the work one it will take em ages to get a replacement which is very bad...
Plus I suck at cutting SIMS lol, tried to cut my personal one and it killed it, had to get a replacement.
And, what about the cloning solution.
Is there any news ?