Hi,
Maybe its an odd question.....
When I press send&receive on my inbox my XDA connects via GPRS to the internet.
So good so far. Then Pocket outlook has finished, it does not disconnect.
Is there a setting, which I missed, or is it a bug?
Please help.
regards,
Silver
Hey Silver,
check this posting
http://xda-developers.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=1822
for now and you could find and anwser. Its considered as a bug for the time being and there is a temp. solution for it.
:wink:
Thanks ARZLEB,
I looked on http://www.pocketpcfreewares.com
for spb gprs traffic monitor but I didn't find it. Do you know where I can get it from?
regards,
Silver
Send me a private msg here with your email and i will email it to you later on today its not a big file...
@all:
why is it concerned to be a bug.... i don't see it that way. GPRS is imho an "always on" technology. why should one want to disconnect it.
imho wm2003 uses more of that "push" technology that pushes emails ect from the serve to your pocketpc as soon as they arrive. that for the device has to be connected all the time.....
or maybe i'm totally wrong ) could be as well of course *g*
servus ize|man
Well simply because GPRS always on = battery concemption = less talk time.
Also sometimes GPRS always could make u miss a call... if there is any data activity and someone calls u at this moment it will sound like ur phone is either busy or OFF.
So i think u should have the ability to d/c ure GPRS session anytime u want!
@arzleb
aehmmm. are you sure you are right?
imho grps on is made possbile with the same mechanism that makes your gsm connected. so there should be no higher power drain. but i can't test that. it's just what i heard.
and you DEFINETLY get no "engaged" on the other side when you call a pocketpc that has a grps running grps connection. i just tested that again. gprs gets suspended when a call comes in. that's all. (i was d'ling a file when i called myself on the phone - it took some seconds more to get the call through though)
servus ize|man
Yeah i agree all that is true but u didnt take into consideration some of the Operator settings.
Here my operator settings for GPRS is that the party calling me while i am downloading a file gets an engaged or sometimes OFF tone.
What ure telling is the way it should be ... but its not the case everywhere!
:?
I think GPRS "Always-On" is how the device was intended to be & finally is almost 2years later! :evil:
To further illustrate GPRS has a ALWAYS been advertised as an "Always-On" service from it's conception. In addition almost all Mobile Phones implimenting GPRS technology have had this "Always-On" connectivity behavior from the beginning. It is simply an embarrassment to Microsoft that this standard function available on Mobile Terminals for over a year of the release of the XDA was finally instituted on this device. So this just appears to be something new to XDA users.
It does not effect your battery life any more than having your radio on.
If data cost is your concern use a CSD dial-up connection for your Inbox operations. There is an option in Inbox to choose which connection to use. The CSD function will act exactly as you are wishing it to. It will only take up to about 2.5 minutes of you talk time. I so far have not noticed a substantial increase in speed during Inbox operation using CSD verse GPRS.
To me I was furious that I had to wait as long as I did for the XDA to act like it's lesser Mobile Phone brothers. Personally the freedom of "Always-On" has changed the way I do business amazingly. The amount of freedom it provides me in giving me an almost "true-real-time" virtual office is incredible.
If data connection is a real tool to you, then you wont be able to live without a dedicated connection. If it is a novelty or cool factor, then you will always be worried about accumulating data costs, but don't worry if data usage is going to be successful for providers they are going to have to re-think their price structures (ala T-Mo unlimited) to eliminate or diminish this concern of customers if they want data services to be adopted by subscribers & simply to justify/recoup their cost to build these data networks. So be patient
if you have a program like messenger running it would have to send some data over GPRS once in awhile not sure how much it would be maybe
it's soo little it dont really matter
but if it's like one MB a week with XDA always on and GPRS always on
it would be pricy
a bit anyway
GPRS always on is a good thing, but at leased in Germany it is still very expensive.
So I like to have a option to switch it off.
GPRS monitor is really a cool tool for getting control over the GPRS costs.
Thanks 2 ARZLEB who pointed me the right direction.
regards
Silver
Silver its my pleasure anytime if i could help dont spare me
As to anwser the above posts about GPRS "always on" be sure that "always on" is used for the devices also that goes into Stand By therefor killing the active connection. Some of the ROMs from o2 and QTEK had this matter solved in the latest upgrades to keep GPRS always ON when device goes into stand by
BUT
What we are discussing here is the ability to d/c when we want! In the QTEK ROM 3.19 the GPRS always on would allow you to stay connected even when the device goes into stand by and also be able to d/c when u want. Also when sending and receiving email the device will connect and d/c as need it.
BUT
this isnt the case in WM2003 where u cant find a d/c button anywhere and that i consider wrong! Also taking into consideration that some countires GPRS is still expensive.
i hope you got my point on this matter - i can assure you its a bug and when talking to someone in the Mobile Division in Microsoft he assured me in an unofficial way that it is a bug...
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Sorry to change topics, but it is regarding GPRS. Does anyone have procedures on how to setup the GPRS connection. I loaded WM2003 4.20.1081 (Build 13100) and it seems to work great except no modem connection is setup.
Please help
What is the access point name for Tmobile?
I use internet2.voicestream.com or you can use wap.voicestream.com .
HTH
Related
Hello,
Well everything said in the subject,
I would like to be able to surf internet in GPRS when I am making a phone call, I tried this but It it not working on my QTEK 9090 (PDA2K ....)
I know with the blackberry it is possible.
Is there any crack to allow this?
Thanks
Michael
GPRS is always turned off when gsm or sms is active it turn back on afterwards it's just how the std is
this is why i want to change the standard to leave it on
I believe he is saying it is the way the technology works. You can not be online via GPRS and be using the voice portion of the GSM service at the same time.
yes and no
following the specs of GPRS it is possible depends on the Class of gprs used
take a look at this link
http://www.gsm-technology.com/gsm.php/en,unlock,subpage_id,technologie_GPRS.html
micmic said:
yes and no
following the specs of GPRS it is possible depends on the Class of gprs used
take a look at this link
http://www.gsm-technology.com/gsm.php/en,unlock,subpage_id,technologie_GPRS.html
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You are correct in what you say, but it actually depends on the class of Device that you use. The RIM blackberry devices are able to keep GPRS on whilst also using the voice connection. The XDA range of devices can't do this I'm afraid.
Very good to know. Do the T-mobile Sidekicks support this class?
Since rebooting my O2 XDA Exec into Corporate mode, I seem to have no GPRS nor 3G setup as neither will connect to send MMS messages - any ideas?
Dude, corporate mode does not install any of your gprs and mms settings.
If you installed this mode to get rid of the dreadful o2 interface, you would be better installing basic mode.
This gets rid of the o2 rubbish but installs your gprs and mms settings.
Fatzzz
If your interested i have made a cab file with just the O2 connections settings app in it. None of the other Active stuff is there. I did try to upload it to tekguru but had problems so i have it on one of my websites here.
http://caravan-smart.co.uk/xda-exec.asp
Ahhhhh nice one dude, very helpful - just got to hope my area has 3G coverage now!!
Nice one - so after a hard reset you install corporate mode from the extended rom, then install your cab in personal and all will be set up? Does that include MMS as well as I had real troubles getting Pocket Outlook to see MMS account once in corporate mode and soft reset.
Will try it and see how it goes!
Nice one dude,
Fin
NO MATE, I think you'll find its BASIC mode as the chap says - Personal will shove all the O2 crap on there, whereas BASIC just puts the GPRS and 3G settings on - just done it and it works fine!!
HOWEVER when I try to start a 3G video call, it states "The 3G network is not available....", I don't quite get this 3G, do I have one connection that is either GPRS or 3G depending on signal, or are there two connections here, if so, how do I use each?
Anyone on O2 managed to get O2 Video Calling to work to another Exec?
Thanks mate!
No, I was referring to Dingo's cab, when you hard reset you select corporate mode with the code 0506 then run his cab, then as he says on his site, click Personal this time as his cab just contains the Connection settings. Just done it and all seems to be working well - thanks Dingo!!
Thanks for the CAB file, Dingo. Will try it out at the next hard reset.
Not sure if its me, but Hotmail from Pocket MSN seems to be playing up now - can anyone else report the same thing? It keeps freezing when I click on it and Pocket Outlook doesn't see the account.
Fin
Yep I have tried the O2 Exec to Exec video dialling. It was nice to try, but wasn't that great. And I think its now 50p per minute, so won't be doing it again in a hurry. :shock:
Cheers
Nasdaq
No apparently until March its charged at the same price as Voice Calls, also can be part of inclusive minutes for voice calls - after that time it'll be 50p as you say.
My mistake, was told differently by a friend. Still won't use it though, sound was delayed and not very clear. :roll:
Cheers
Nasdaq
Glad you find it of use.
The way i do it if i hard reset is after setting up the screen and the O2 stuff is about to install when you get the 3 second countdown i soft reset. This will give you a vanilla install of WM5 on your Universal and none of the Ext ROM will be installed.
This way though you do not get any of the pathces and fixes etc so i selectivly install them from the XDA Exec Ext ROM posted on the xda-dev ftp site
I then install the settings cab i made to enter my O2 Connection settings.
For the most part as described by others above you will probably be best to use corp mode for your initial setup. Then just choose pesonel when you run the CAB i made.
As far as i am aware you can still use this without a hard reset as it only installs the connections app. I have tested on mine and it was ok but would be interested if it works for others.
ashleyhall said:
NO MATE, I think you'll find its BASIC mode as the chap says - Personal will shove all the O2 crap on there, whereas BASIC just puts the GPRS and 3G settings on - just done it and it works fine!!
HOWEVER when I try to start a 3G video call, it states "The 3G network is not available....", I don't quite get this 3G, do I have one connection that is either GPRS or 3G depending on signal, or are there two connections here, if so, how do I use each?
Anyone on O2 managed to get O2 Video Calling to work to another Exec?
Thanks mate!
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3G coverage is still a bit thin with O2. If you look at the icon next to your phone signal strength it should read either G or U. If it is G then you are on their NON 3G network, if it displays U then you are on thei 3G network.
I am in a week 3G area at home and mine swaps between the 2 every few minutes.
Ahhhhh interesting...wonder why they chose 'U' for 3G..doesn't quite compute!
Looking forward to playing with 3G at some stage in the future then!
ashleyhall said:
Ahhhhh interesting...wonder why they chose 'U' for 3G..doesn't quite compute!
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'U' stands for UTMS, which is the system that we call 3G (or 3rd Generation). The 'G' stands for GSM, which is the 2nd generation networks we've all enjoyed using for the last 15 years.
ashleyhall said:
Looking forward to playing with 3G at some stage in the future then!
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I thought it might be fun too, but the truth is that I know hardly anybody with a video phone, and considering how unreliable the 3G coverage is around where I live (Sussex) it's unlikely to be much use anyway. The whole 3G premise is based on a gimmick IMHO rather than a genuine consumer need. Sure, the data rates are faster and in time this will be a good driver for the technology, but then they charge us a fcuking fortune to use it, so only a handful of people bother. Madness.
Video calling works across networks. I have found many of my relatives have 3 3G mobile phones and are able to receive video calls from me (as on Vodafone video calls are free for a short period and on O2 the rate is the same as voice calls). O2 and Vodafone UMTS download speeds are good (coverage in London is resonable and in Berkshire).
not working
have tried this - I cant connect at all - after hard reseting in corporate then running this cab and setting to personal - it tries to dial mobile web but says it cant connect for an unknown reason - any ideas
Vanilla
works ok on vanilla install - it seems since this thread was started ON hav changed some thing but this cab has no problems after vanilla installl only after corporate - I am gonna run the bug fixing cabs etc in the ext rom manually !!!
My GPRS still aint configured correctly - it connects fine but I get no internet access, its as if the proxy is configured wrong?
Is there a cab that puts the correct 3G and GPRS settings onto my phone without any user configuration required? (and without mucking up my system).
This is an interesting subject to me as the company I work for is acutally in the business of providing a service just as being discussed.
I'm not going to turn this into an advert, but let me give you a quick overview of our service. We run a fully mananged network which connects to a customers office network and to the 4 major MNO's in the UK (plus a few outside the UK, and were expanding). We have at least two private AP's on each MNO plus terminals can connect via a VPN over the internet. We support a number of terminals (mainly from HTC from the Wallaby to the Prophet, but also some from Panasonic, Symbol and Intermec) that connect VIA GPRS but also through GSM DUN as a fallback.
I've worked on the terminal side for about 7 years, I've been involved in development of most areas of the code at one time or another, but for a long time I was responsible for the module that is responsible for connecting to and maintaining the connection to either the MNO network (our AP's or the Public AP) or our own network (via GSM).
The one thing I've learned while doing this is that you can't rely on the MNO for anything. We've had MNO's disconnect us from AP's without warning, we've had IP connections stop passing data again without warning, we've had AP's reject a connection when out auth server told the AP to accept it.
This being true, if your claiming your software is reliable and expecting someone to bet their business on using it, you'd better make sure that it can handle all these issue. Theres nothing worse than trying to explain to a customer why his message didn't go through when both the back-end office and mobile device claim their connected.
And one last thing, and its a big one, Cost. Its easy to make a system that costs so much to run that its economically unviable. Remember every GPRS byte or GSM second costs money, so polling for messages every few seconds may not be a great idea.
Hurm....
This was supposed to be a reply to this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=43426
I have no idea how it got into its own thread...
Appologies.
That is exactly my point of veiw. Why have to be constantly connected? Its a dirty solution. The only ones who benifit from a middle man are the service providers. Thats why I have put all my effort into using what is reliable. A normal phone call.
I have spent the last 9 months creating something that can reliably transfer data over calls. When I say reliable I mean when data is sent the user will get a confirmation for each packet sent an can be 100% certain it arrived intact when with the confirmation.
Depending on the phone plan it can be cheaper than other means of communication like gprs and mms on phones. When there is no flag fall I can transfer the same data as an mms (on my account anyway) for about half the cost. In free times transmition can be free. What makes the technology usefull is the price. In Australia all forms of data transfer are VERY high, but that is not the case in other countries.
You miss my point somewhat. I don't know about Australia but here in the UK your not actually charged for having a GPRS connection up and running just for the data you transfer over it and so our GPRS connections are up all the time assuming you have coverage. Its how you manage the connection (detecting the IP layer stopping working for example) and the data that flows over it thats important.
When it comes to GSM though your right, there is no way you want to have a permanent connection up, it has to be on-demand based. That in itself leads to problems, the main being that you have to handle charging your customer for the data calls you make to the terminal. Or if you don't connect to the terminal, and it only connects to you, how does the terminal know when messages are waiting.
For us, GSM us a last-ditch solution when GPRS isn't available. However in the UK we've generally found that if you can make a GSM call you can connect to GPRS, and if GPRS is down for some reason, the whole cell is generally not available (so GSM doesn't work either). There are occasions where a hardware failure on a MNO (not at the cell but in the rest of the network) may cause GPRS to stop working but allow GSM to work but situations like that are rare and generally quickly rectified by the MNO.
I'm experimenting with push mail on my Cingular 8525. I'm not in an HSDPA area. I'm connected with either GPRS or EDGE (I haven't changed the registry to show me which).
I find that I can be connected for hours at a time: the "G" icon will appear in the signal strength area, and clicking on it will indicate the number of minutes/hours connected. The connection timer will still be ticking away happily but if I try to access a web page the prompt will indicate "Locating" until it eventually times out. Even though the phone says I'm connected the connection isn't in fact useable. What I end up having to do is Disconnect from the network and then I let a page request from PIE initiate a reconnection.
Obviously, for push email this is no good. I need a connection that stays up. I even have my push email client set to poll for new messages every thirty minutes, but because the phone says the connection is up, those poll requests will just time out when the connection is actually not up.
What is the deal with this? It would be 10000 times better if the connection just dropped properly if it is supposed to (timing out, network congestion, or whatever). Because then the push email client's poll schedule could at least re-initiate the connection every thirty minutes.
I have been considering trying GPRS Keep Alive (which pings up to 5 hosts to keep a connection alive) but I'm wondering why this happens in the first place? Why doesn't the connection just drop instead of hanging there?
I have been having the same issue with a Treo 750 and with my newly acquired 8525. The connection manager says I'm connected by I don't getting any mail pushed to the device. This has been going on for the last two weeks. The only way I can find to correct it is by a soft reset.
Soft reset? That's pretty extreme. I just have to disconnect and reconnect.
Why is that extreme?
Actually it's quite easy. Since I use push Active Sync automatically initiates a new connection at start up.
I think it's extreme because you shouldn't have to do that. All you should have to do is disconnect and reconnect. Of course, none of this should be happening in the first place.
So I installed GPRS Keep Alive last night. I guess that was a waste of $5 since this morning I see it didn't help. In fact, now I think I'm going to have to soft reset (!) as disconnecting/reconnecting doesn't seem to make a difference.
Since you're having problems on a Treo as well I would guess it must be a Windows thing. Are you on Cingular too?
Yep. I'm with Cingular.
I believe it's a Cingular issue.
I had a Treo 700wx with Sprint before these and never had the issue.
I installed HTweakC this morning and turned on GPRS Auto Attach and "Set Connection AlwaysOn." The first option attempts to connect to GPRS as soon as you turn the phone on. The second is supposed to (I think) stop GPRS from disconnecting.
Still I eventually lose the connection. So a $500 PPC device just can't do what a $200 BlackBerry can??
I'm surprised that no one else has posted to this thread. Maintaining a data connection is one of the most-basic requirements for a wireless device. Yet the Hermes/TyTn/8525/Dopod (whatever you want to call it) can't do this. And I guess, then, the same goes for the Treo?
I suppose this is why, in the end, a much less flexible platform like the overpriced iPhone will quickly succeed: you can be sure that Apple will make 1000% sure the phone can be used with wireless data...since that is the whole point. You know, just to remind the people up in Redmond.
Hi
Just to let you know that I am on Tmobile in the UK and I have the same issues. The data connection under WM5 was a bit more reliable but is hopeless under WM6. It caused me to downgrade from 6 back to the HTC test rom (WM5) just to get push mail working at all, but its not very reliable.
I agree that this is the most fundamental aspect of these WM devices and until it works reliably, everything else is a bit pointless.
I just hope that soeone can get to grips and solve this in the XDA live rom as I really like the new apps, but frankly I would give all that up for a reliable push and acticesync solution.
Rob
Hrmmm. So I guess this means that anyone with Good or BlackBerry push email service on these things (or any WM5/WM6 device) must experience the same problem.
I wonder if this app would help you?
http://commmgrpro.com/index.html
it's not out yet, but the developer is asking for beta testers.
Maybe if the connection is actually terminated rather than going off because it times out, the next connection will be good. Worth a try anyway I would think.
let us know
marisa4755 said:
I wonder if this app would help you?
http://commmgrpro.com/index.html
it's not out yet, but the developer is asking for beta testers.
Maybe if the connection is actually terminated rather than going off because it times out, the next connection will be good. Worth a try anyway I would think.
let us know
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Has anyone tested this app?
When I run Windows live it insists on running up GPRS, even if I have my wifi on and connected. Oddly I dont hit this issue with IE.
Anyone know what is going on here, and if there is anything I can do about it ?
Thanks,
Andy.
NB. I'm running the Faria WM6
atdavie said:
When I run Windows live it insists on running up GPRS, even if I have my wifi on and connected. Oddly I dont hit this issue with IE.
Anyone know what is going on here, and if there is anything I can do about it ?
Thanks,
Andy.
NB. I'm running the Faria WM6
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thats not the rom's problem. thats a microsoft coding problem. if you can join the beta test and complain about it. i hate that also. instead of looking for an existing connection it starts gprs. thats very annoying.
hiimcliff said:
thats not the rom's problem. thats a microsoft coding problem. if you can join the beta test and complain about it. i hate that also. instead of looking for an existing connection it starts gprs. thats very annoying.
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Anyone considered the fact that M$ thought of it at a different angle?
If you use Windows Live Messenger it connects via GPRS/EDGE because it tries to sustain your online status. If you connect with Wi-Fi and your attention is elsewhere (Chatting to the Sexy waitress who just brought you your coffee) and the device suspends because the suspend time on the device is set to 2min you loose your connection to Live Messenger Servers....
Where as with GPRS the connection remains on even if the device is suspended...so there is no connection lost...
Cant see the problem anyway? If you are connected via GPRS and connect to a Wi-Fi connection PIE and Opera will use the Wi-Fi connection as priority...
But Yeah, I agree that it is not the biggest thing in the world for a Software developer to add a tab in options called "Preferred Connection list"
Tip-Ex said:
Anyone considered the fact that M$ thought of it at a different angle?
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There is another angle from the user perspective, not everyone in the world has an unlimted data plan. People like me in the states are pretty fortunate to be able to get data for $30-$40 a month nationwide unlimited. It is not like that everywhere, or for some $30-$40 a month for data might be too expensive.
Personally I would rather have it use GPRS/EDGE than WiFi becuase it conserves something more valueable to me, that is battery life. Since I pay for unlimited data I like to get the most out of it that I can, last month I pulled almost 4 gigs over EDGE.
computer9cowboy said:
There is another angle from the user perspective, not everyone in the world has an unlimted data plan. People like me in the states are pretty fortunate to be able to get data for $30-$40 a month nationwide unlimited. It is not like that everywhere, or for some $30-$40 a month for data might be too expensive.
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Very True....Relative to what I earn in our currency and what my mobile operator charge.... GPRS/Edge data p/Mb is fairly priced in Namibia (They Dropped our GRPS cost by 60% last month)
However MS cannot write applications to accomedate all the specific rates of different operators accross the globe. Thus they are going the "better user experience" route rather trying to save the end-user money...
But as stated in my previous post... how difficult can it be to change the code to accomedate preferred connections?