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Is LTE a big deal for you? Do you even live in the US ? What are your conditions regarding speeds in your area.
Yes LTE is a better technology... but in practice... HSPA is much more established and will give more than sufficient results:
http://www.phonearena.com/news/T-Mo...ter-than-Verizons-4G-LTE-in-11-cities_id31387
I'm not saying I'm glad the device doesn't have LTE, just that it doesn't really affect me in any way at this point in time.
I live in Vancouver, Canada where LTE is readily available and I don't use it. HSPA+ gets me plenty of speed for the /whopping/ 30 minutes a day my phone is on mobile data (commute to and from work; 15m each way). HSPA+ in Canada is from all providers and has great coverage. I regularly get 10-12Mbps. I've been testing a lot lately and I've managed to get 22Mbps and 25Mbps at certain points/times as well on HSPA+. I have zero need for anything faster than that as all I do is stream radio while walking.
I really hate how the American bias towards LTE, because your providers seem to suck, is affecting this phone. By all accounts in the reviews out there "If you don't live in the US, LTE isn't a big deal and this phone is amazing". That's enough for me. I'm on wifi for 95% of my usage anyways. 100Mbps line at home and 250Mbps line at work. Screw LTE.
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I live in Vancouver, Canada where LTE is readily available and I don't use it. HSPA+ gets me plenty of speed for the /whopping/ 30 minutes a day my phone is on mobile data (commute to and from work; 15m each way). HSPA+ in Canada is from all providers and has great coverage. I regularly get 10-12Mbps. I've been testing a lot lately and I've managed to get 22Mbps and 25Mbps at certain points/times as well on HSPA+. I have zero need for anything faster than that as all I do is stream radio while walking.
I really hate how the American bias towards LTE, because your providers seem to suck, is affecting this phone. By all accounts in the reviews out there "If you don't live in the US, LTE isn't a big deal and this phone is amazing". That's enough for me. I'm on wifi for 95% of my usage anyways. 100Mbps line at home and 250Mbps line at work. Screw LTE.
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I see your point, but US providers don't "suck" lol. People are bashing LTE on this phone because so many carriers on the US already provide it.
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I see your point, but US providers don't "suck" lol. People are bashing LTE on this phone because so many carriers on the US already provide it.
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I get that, but all the major carriers in Canada provide LTE too. The difference is all of our major carriers provide HSPA+ AND LTE so the absence of one simply means the use of the other and speeds on both are phenomenal for a bloody phone. xD I've never understood the necessity for residential internet speeds on your phone. I have a 100Mbps line at home so I can download Steam games really fast. What do people do on their phones that require LTE anyways?
My point about the "seem to suck" comment (which I admit I did say 'seem' because I don't have experience with them) is that from what I have learned, Verizon doesn't have HSPA so the lack of LTE means that the speeds then drop to 3G speeds for them? If that's accurate, a major provider not having both HSPA+ and LTE seems a bit sucky to me. I really guess I just don't understand what people need LTE for or how it affects your phone use. In terms of pure network, LTE is like getting a ferrari when you drive for maybe 5 minutes a day. HSPA+ does everything LTE does at more than acceptable speeds. If the issue is because some of the US networks coverage of HSPA+ is absent or limited, that should reflect upon the providers and not the phone.
I'm not too bothered about LTE either. Though it's available in the UK city in which I reside term-time, which is most of the time, it isn't available in my hometown where my family home is. Sure, by the time I'm done in my student city, LTE will most likely be available at "home" but by then the Nexus 4 will be old and in need of a replacement. I don't need it right now, so DC-HSPA is fine for me. More than fine, actually. Plus my phone is on WiFi most of the time anyway. ;D
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I'm not too bothered about LTE either. Though it's available in the UK city in which I reside term-time, which is most of the time, it isn't available in my hometown where my family home is. Sure, by the time I'm done in my student city, LTE will most likely be available at "home" but by then the Nexus 4 will be old and in need of a replacement. I don't need it right now, so DC-HSPA is fine for me. More than fine, actually. Plus my phone is on WiFi most of the time anyway. ;D
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Agreed
I live in the US but LTE doesn't exist within about a 250 mile radius of where I live so HSPA+ is fine by me!
I live outside the US and LTE is just starting here. I live in the second town of my nation and the first 4G antennas will start to emit here for the public on 1st quarter 2013. Google made the Nexus S 4G, then the Verizon Galaxy Nexus 4G, so why not a Nexus 4 4G tomorrow ?:highfive:
There is a good amount of LTE in my area (SF + the surrounding area), but I suppose I don't NEED it. I've been perfectly fine without it (currently with a Motorola Atrix). However like most of you here, you want the best you can get for your area.
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.... The difference is all of our major carriers provide HSPA+ AND LTE so the absence of one simply means the use of the other and speeds on both are phenomenal for a bloody phone.....What do people do on their phones that require LTE anyways?
I really guess I just don't understand what people need LTE for or how it affects your phone use.
If the issue is because some of the US networks coverage of HSPA+ is absent or limited, that should reflect upon the providers and not the phone.
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1. It's the idea that Google is pushing consumers to rely more on the cloud, yet "cripple" the phone's ability to CONNECT TO the cloud by not providing LTE. I live in San Diego - we have LTE here and it works great on all my friends' IPhone 5s.
2. While LTE is certainly NOT COMMONPLACE, it is non-negotiable that it is the infrastructure of the future. HSPA+ represents the pinnacle of it's infrastructure, while LTE is the infancy stage of the a newer, higher throughput technology. As a result, you're paying however much for a phone that is not really very future proof. Regardless of how good of a deal this phone is in the near term, you kind of lose out in the long term, especially when viewed in regards to item 1.
3. Since there is no CDMA version of the Nexus 4, it won't work on Verizon or Sprint in the US anyways. T-mobile has ONLY HSPA+ and AT&T has LTE and HSPA+, with HSPA+ coverage being greater than LTE (in San Diego anyways). LTE coverage, however, is expanding, and will be much more available within the next 2 years. Therefore it's not neccessarily that HSPA+ is limited, its that LTE is limited and that's why Google has chosen to omit it from their device, which may be smart in the near term, but again limits the long term relevance of the phone.
4. As a corollary to 3, Google is really just doing the same thing LG has done with the Optimus G but in a different form. Google doesn't provide LTE, so in 2 years you really will need to buy a new phone if you want to transfer large files to and from your cloud, which you will have to do because your phone only has 8GB or 16GB of on-board storage. LG forces you to buy a new phone because they haven't provided updates to their phone since it's release on day 1 and your phone is horribly laggy and bloated and it's bootloader is locked.
This resonates much like Apple's philosophy, which we all bash them for, yet we defend Google vehemently when it does the same in a more inconspicuous way.
I'm a complete loss for what to do now because I really need a new phone lol.
I live in the USA near Washington DC and I live in strong LTE coverage by Verizon, AT&T, and Sprint (allegedly). I've used LTE and while it's nice, I don't require it. In addition, I like being able to use a SIM card in any country I visit. HSPA+ is more than sufficient for me.
It doesn't bother me. I currently have Verizon and have a Galaxy Nexus. My plan for two lines and unlimited data on LTE costs me 180 USD a month. My same plan, but with more minutes would cost me 100 USD on T-Mobile. Almost double check the cost just for LTE speeds? My contract is up in January. So long, Verizon! Your business practises suck. Hspa+ isn't so bad that it's a steep departure. Half the price plus my phone is unlocked so I can switch carriers if T-Mobile starts to play games with my bill? Awesome.
I'm on TMo and there is no LTE.
So, I can care less atm.
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I'm not too bothered about LTE either. Though it's available in the UK city in which I reside term-time, which is most of the time, it isn't available in my hometown where my family home is. Sure, by the time I'm done in my student city, LTE will most likely be available at "home" but by then the Nexus 4 will be old and in need of a replacement. I don't need it right now, so DC-HSPA is fine for me. More than fine, actually. Plus my phone is on WiFi most of the time anyway. ;D
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Has anyone actually tested the ee network in the real world yet? Here in the UK LTE has finally started to rollout but at the launch event the speeds were not that impressive anyway. Anyway at £26 a month for 500mb i think LTE won't be that popular here for some time when three are offering decent speeds with all you can eat data for £10
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1. It's the idea that Google is pushing consumers to rely more on the cloud, yet "cripple" the phone's ability to CONNECT TO the cloud by not providing LTE. I live in San Diego - we have LTE here and it works great on all my friends' IPhone 5s.
2. While LTE is certainly NOT COMMONPLACE, it is non-negotiable that it is the infrastructure of the future. HSPA+ represents the pinnacle of it's infrastructure, while LTE is the infancy stage of the a newer, higher throughput technology. As a result, you're paying however much for a phone that is not really very future proof. Regardless of how good of a deal this phone is in the near term, you kind of lose out in the long term, especially when viewed in regards to item 1.
3. Since there is no CDMA version of the Nexus 4, it won't work on Verizon or Sprint in the US anyways. T-mobile has ONLY HSPA+ and AT&T has LTE and HSPA+, with HSPA+ coverage being greater than LTE (in San Diego anyways). LTE coverage, however, is expanding, and will be much more available within the next 2 years. Therefore it's not neccessarily that HSPA+ is limited, its that LTE is limited and that's why Google has chosen to omit it from their device, which may be smart in the near term, but again limits the long term relevance of the phone.
4. As a corollary to 3, Google is really just doing the same thing LG has done with the Optimus G but in a different form. Google doesn't provide LTE, so in 2 years you really will need to buy a new phone if you want to transfer large files to and from your cloud, which you will have to do because your phone only has 8GB or 16GB of on-board storage. LG forces you to buy a new phone because they haven't provided updates to their phone since it's release on day 1 and your phone is horribly laggy and bloated and it's bootloader is locked.
This resonates much like Apple's philosophy, which we all bash them for, yet we defend Google vehemently when it does the same in a more inconspicuous way.
I'm a complete loss for what to do now because I really need a new phone lol.
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You make great points and I definitely understand where you are coming from, I would still argue that the speeds HSPA+ provides are more than enough for at least the next year and whether your carrier supports that or not is more on them and less on the manufacturer.
That said, I do have a couple follow-ups cause I think you raised some good points and I'm interested in getting your thoughts.
A) At (max) 350$, do you feel that you really wouldn't be opposed to upgrading in a years time when there could potentially be a new Nexus with LTE? For me 350$ is a steal when I regularly buy a new phone every year for 600+. I know not everyone upgrades on a yearly cadence, but if present and future Nexi were priced around that point, I think it might be something more widely adopted. Perhaps this isn't meant to be a "long-term" phone? Obivously the base argument is that you would want something to last, but if it's affordable why not speed up the upgrade cycle?
B) If we disregard carrier failings and just pit HSPA+ against LTE, I don't see how HSPA+ would be such a deprecated technology that it will be irrelevant within 2 years. Sure, LTE will be bigger and better by then with more coverage, but by no means is HSPA+ something to scoff at. A potential 42Mbps on your phone EASILY gives you all the Cloud throughput you need. I had a 50Mbps residential line for my home internet before upgrading to 100Mbps and I can tell you thinks moved seamlessly. 42Mbps is hardly something that won't let you push and pull content on the Cloud. So you might say that you don't get nearly that on X's network, but that isn't reflective of the technology itself. Maybe X just needs to improve their HSPA+ networks while working on LTE.
I kind of see it like the CPU progress on desktop computers. HSPA+ represents a Dual Core/Quad Core CPU that can be clocked at 4Ghz. Even in mainstream computing today most games/apps/programs barely take advantage of a full optimized Dual Core high clock CPU, yet manufacturers are pushing out Hexa- and even Octo-Core CPU's at low clock rates. Those are like LTE. It's going to be a WHILE before we can properly use 16 threads and 4Ghz of speed on a CPU. And just because those CPU's exist, doesn't mean someone should not buy a Dual/Quad Core CPU. Sure, you can't add more cores to it so it's not "future-proof", but we don't even take full advantage of it yet...
C) I'm still curious at what LTE users like yourself are pushing that you feel pressured in the near future that HSPA+ won't provide (again disregarding shortcomings of providers). Myself, I don't do any media use on my phone so I'm obviously the opposite, but even imagining if I was streaming video and pushing lots of media, I can't forsee the need for a connection faster than what I have to my home. The only possible thing I was able to think of is someone with an unlimited data plan (doesn't exist in Canada) that uses their cell connection as their internet connection and tether their computer through it 100% of the time. Just pure curiosity as per what LTE people push.
I suppose most of this all comes down to the provider limitations and as such necessity for LTE, but I'd be more upset at my provider than the manufacturer. Google has built a worldwide product that can reach amazing speeds on HSPA+ networks. I know America is a powerhouse, but you aren't the be-all-end-all in deciding how a phone should be made. LTE has a lot of reach in Canada on all major providers, but they all also have HSPA+ with great coverage. Only people on smaller or piggyback providers are losing out on LTE, but everyone has HSPA. Maybe the American providers should stop fighting with each other over proprietary LTE spectrums.
If you are hankering for a new phone and don't want this, I'd probably say the Razr Maxx or One X+. Those are my runner ups (Once they finally hit Canadian borders) Since you are on these forums I'll disregard suggesting the locked bootloader Optimus G.
I don't understand this.
LTE is available only in USA and a small amount of other countries as a whole. the world isn't only USA and the 10% places. They've made our such a big issue for everyone, and all the reviewers are complaining about no LTE like every country in the world has it.
There is world outside USA you know...
I don't care for LTE and micro SD slot. I just want this phone in my hands already!
UK here. 4G on just one network in only 10 cities. The lack of 4G means nothing to us Brits!
Didn't know if it had the necessary Hardware and might be possible with a new SIM card.
No.
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Thought I read somewhere that the V20 won't be exactly compatible with 5G, but will get a slight speed boost when in 5G markets. Thoughts?
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Thought I read somewhere that the V20 won't be exactly compatible with 5G, but will get a slight speed boost when in 5G markets. Thoughts?
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The only way if you are still using v20 when 5g fully rolls out is when majority of lte users move onto 5g. Thereby freeing up bandwidth space for the now legacy lte for you to use so it will be faster.
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Fantastic contribution
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The only way if you are still using v20 when 5g fully rolls out is when majority of lte users move onto 5g. Thereby freeing up bandwidth space for the now legacy lte for you to use so it will be faster.
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Most insightful comment I have read in a while.
That is exactly what happened when they rolled out LTE. I stayed on HSPA+ and got great speeds because everyone else was jumping on the LTE bandwagon.
Once LTE was fully deployed, and you couldn't buy a phone anymore without LTE support, things were much better -- 120mbits average for the area I am in.
Once T-Mobile fully deploys band 71 (600Mhz) with 5g, then I will bite the bullet and buy the least sucky flagship phone that is available and supports it (I think I will have my V20s for many years yet )
-- Brian
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Most insightful comment I have read in a while.
That is exactly what happened when they rolled out LTE. I stayed on HSPA+ and got great speeds because everyone else was jumping on the LTE bandwagon.
Once LTE was fully deployed, and you couldn't buy a phone anymore without LTE support, things were much better -- 120mbits average for the area I am in.
Once T-Mobile fully deploys band 71 (600Mhz) with 5g, then I will bite the bullet and buy the least sucky flagship phone that is available and supports it (I think I will have my V20s for many years yet )
-- Brian
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I like to hear that! . Still Loving my v20 also. Guess I am a little bit old school and like the Legacy device
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Once T-Mobile fully deploys band 71 (600Mhz) with 5g, then I will bite the bullet and buy the least sucky flagship phone that is available and supports it (I think I will have my V20s for many years yet )
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This is mainly what I'm waiting on for a new phone. My next phone I would definitely want that band to have as future proofing but since I'm in a rather low populated part, I don't think I will be seeing this band on a tower in my area for quite a few years at least.
Thanks for the replies and information everybody. Hope you're all having an awesome weekend. Or soon-to-be weekend that is
It is not possible as the radio inside the phone would need to be changed. So 5g compatibility is something on the hardware level that needs to be available not something able to be turned on with software.
Unfortunately the v20 seems as if it will be the last phone to have removable battery everyone has since moved to the glass laminate design apple uses.
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It is not possible as the radio inside the phone would need to be changed. So 5g compatibility is something on the hardware level that needs to be available not something able to be turned on with software.
Unfortunately the v20 seems as if it will be the last phone to have removable battery everyone has since moved to the glass laminate design apple uses.
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I am hoping that when 5G fully rolls out that a manufacturer releases one more smartphone with a removable battery. As long as the specs are ok, and by ok I mean a minimum of 4 GB of RAM and a 4K (or greater) display resolution and of course Micro SD card support then it would be up for my consideration.
I recently purchased a brand new LG V20 H918 (the Unlocked T-Mobile variant) phone. The very first purchase that I did was getting the PowerBear extended battery on Amazon, with the 2 day prime shipping that's what I got much sooner than the actual phone since the phone I also got it brand new but on Ebay since there it was significantly cheaper ($150) compared to any price I was seeing for a new phone for any variant on Amazon, you could only get a "renewed" (another way of Amazon saying "refurbished" I guess) for the same price I got my new phone on Ebay. (I guess the price inflation could be another way of Amazon getting back their 5% cash back they pay their Amazon Chase Visa card holders).
The V20 replaces my Samsung Galaxy S5 that also had an extended battery (the iPossible battery) and then it dropped onto a hard porcelain floor facing down, and while the screen didn't crack, it started zooming and unzooming erratically at random times and it would only reset back to normal if I power off the screen and turn it back on. Faced with having to purchase a new LCD screen and having to do the repair something that I know how to do since I have done it many times to other users I took the opportunity to search for a newer phone with a removable battery since I didn't have the time to dedicate to perform this repair with my super busy schedule, replacing an LCD screen off any smartphone is a tedious task, I just didn't wanted to bother this time. So after 3 days of hard research I finally discovered that the LG V20 is the latest smartphone to actually support a removable battery and then my next research turned on to determine what variant should I exactly go for: I had many options, I could have gone with Sprint's variant (the LS995) the Verizon's variant (VS995) or the T-Mobile's variant (H918). The Sprint's unlocked variant seemed very promising, being compatible with most networks here in the USA, except that it didn't support one of T-Mobile newer LTE Band 66 but other than that it supported every LTE band the Galaxy S5 supported and I guess it could have been a great compromise giving me the future option to go with Sprint or any of their MVNO's, except that when I checked if that phone was rootable I was dissapointed to hear that if my phone came with a certain firmware version or greater then it was unrootable and there has been more than 1 year without a method being discovered yet, um I need to be able to root, certain producttivity apps that I use depends on rooting, including the use of Titanium backup that allows me to import all of my Google Authenticator keys that aren't backed up in any other ways. Next to my list: the verizon's variant: it was a good choice except it didn't support all of Sprint's LTE bands which would mean a spotty Sprint coverage shall I go with Sprint in the future, and no Band 12 support for T-mobile either, that automatically was a no-go. At the end, I just went with the T-Mobile's unlocked variant and T-Mobile is my actual carrier too. In my area I used to get 25 Mbps speed test on my old Galaxy S5 phone that lacked Band 66 support, on this new phone with B66 support I got 100 Mbps. I got surprised when I saw that speed and I was only able to get that speed after I changed the Access Point Name from the default IPv6 only configuration into IPv4 only, under IPv6 I only got 35 Mbps don't exactly know why IPv4 outperformed IPv6 by a factor greater than 3 but those were my results here in the city of New York.
Overall, I am very happy with this phone. Its a super fast performing phone for a phone that was introduced in 2016 and by the looks of it, this phone can continue being relevant for many years to come.
Once again, I really hope to see another phone with removable battery being introduced somewhere in the future that actually supports 5G.
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Didn't know if it had the necessary Hardware and might be possible with a new SIM card.
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this is a fuzzy answer and not one many would tackle due to the efforts gained. the V20 series can NOT handle the data (think volume) rates of 5G , BUT...
i have no doubts the physical device would work on a 5G network. 5G is a VERY short wave, but the V20 is unique because the antennas are easy access with room to spare. ( top/bottom cases)
so with time , a 30,000.00$ -S2-test set- network analyzer, YES its quite simple. but no matter what is done, the core of the device is only capable of the original design for MAX 4G speeds (100-300megs/sec?) PLUS i cant say how the device would hold up to the MAX rates 100% of the time. would be a cool experiment, but this is far out for a 2016 spec phone. T-mobile network would be the best bet for easy tune, but again, how will hardware handle
i wouldn't know where to start for the software side, but tuning an antenna isn't too bad.
Speeds are often be more down to what your network provider is capable of giving you rather than your fones capability.
3G working at full speed as advertised can be absolutely fine for streaming video.
4G+ is more than good enough for me, not all the time but most of the time. Don't care less I don't have 5g on my V20, my fave fone ever.
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Didn't know if it had the necessary Hardware and might be possible with a new SIM card.
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No, as that would require changes on the SoC level and I don't think any of us have the hardware or qualifications to do stuff like that.
So when using 5g on 600mhz, I get 13mb download. When I switch to 4g, I get 120mb download. I think what is happening is 5g and 4g don't carrier aggregate, so your only getting a single channel download. So bottom line? Turn off 5g. What a waste
Sucks
Glad i have very low expectations for 5G. Dont mind turning it off at all if i have to. Still curious to see how good/bad it ll be since i work in a major city.
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Glad i have very low expectations for 5G. Dont mind turning it off at all if i have to. Still curious to see how good/bad it ll be since i work in a major city.
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I work in Manhattan, and I heard there's a decent amount of mw 5g for tmo. Right now I'm out on li, so I get fake 5g. Lol. It's actually slower, which I don't understand
With the poor night vision, and sht 5g, probably just gonna return it, keep my pixel 4
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so I get fake 5g.
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You're getting AT&T 5Ge? Strange.
600mhz isn't fake 5G, it's real, it's within in spec. Just because you get slower speeds doesn't make it fake. As you said, very likely it's a CA thing.
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You're getting AT&T 5Ge? Strange.
600mhz isn't fake 5G, it's real, it's within in spec. Just because you get slower speeds doesn't make it fake. As you said, very likely it's a CA thing.
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Well, yes, I guess it's technically 5g. Just sucks that it's actually slower than 4g. Oh well.
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Well, yes, I guess it's technically 5g. Just sucks that it's actually slower than 4g. Oh well.
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lol. ya n71 is not good for speed. you gonna have wait until they start using mmwave. tmo is def good in the city. i remember when i used tmo in midtown lte was pretty good
Same, I get around 30mbps with lte and only about 18mbps with 5g, quite annoying
My opinion(results may vary elsewhere and I could be wrong) but in my area of Ohio, there are certain areas that have 4glte and no 5g and some small gaps in 4glte that now have 5g. I think its more to fill in the gaps of coverage. I personally love it and it isnt super fast but is good enough for me to have coverage in the areas that I travel with minimal dead areas.
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lol. ya n71 is not good for speed. you gonna have wait until they start using mmwave. tmo is def good in the city. i remember when i used tmo in midtown lte was pretty good
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I'll do some 5g speed tests on T-mobile when my Ultra Unlocked comes in today. I live in Greenville, S.C. The reviews I read for T-mobile on the Ultra in New York City said the the speed was about 100mbps+ for LTE and about 130-140mbps+ for sub6. Nothing extradorinary but better than LTE. Makes me wonder why your seeing such low 30mbps speeds.
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I'll do some 5g speed tests on T-mobile when my Ultra Unlocked comes in today. I live in Greenville, S.C. The reviews I read for T-mobile on the Ultra in New York City said the the speed was about 100mbps+ for LTE and about 130-140mbps+ for sub6. Nothing extradorinary but better than LTE. Makes me wonder why your seeing such low 30mbps speeds.
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Low speeds due to no ca when on 5g. It literally turns it off. If I set it to 4g, I get 100mb dl. 5g is a complete shtshow. Early adopters, it is what it is. I just keep it set to 4g.
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Low speeds due to no ca when on 5g. It literally turns it off. If I set it to 4g, I get 100mb dl. 5g is a complete shtshow. Early adopters, it is what it is. I just keep it set to 4g.
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What is ca?
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What is ca?
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Carrier aggregation.
Here's what I'm calling "real" 5g...millwave....
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I work in Manhattan, and I heard there's a decent amount of mw 5g for tmo. Right now I'm out on li, so I get fake 5g. Lol. It's actually slower, which I don't understand
With the poor night vision, and sht 5g, probably just gonna return it, keep my pixel 4
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Why don't you return it and save you and the rest of us from hearing your constant complaints about the handset?
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Why don't you return it and save you and the rest of us from hearing your constant complaints about the handset?
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I have 15 days to try it out. Thought people might want real world tests. Not paid ones.
I have to agree....the 5G here in Phoenix is really bad. south phoenix, tempe and ahwatukee. Did a few speed test in each area. Garbage.
Sub-6 5g was never about great download speeds, and I for one prefer t-mobile going the way they did (focusing on sub 6 before millimeter wave).
sub 6 5g is the lowest frequency band you can get, millimeter wave is highest frequency you can get. Lower frequency signals pass through objects much better than higher frequency signals, they also travel farther than high frequency signals.
The real world translation is that sub 6 is essentially getting data a hair faster than 4g but because it penetrates walls and objects better as well as travels much farther, it should translate to getting a better signal in more places. With millimeter wave, you literally have to have line of sight to a tower to get decent signal..... line.of.sight.
I, for one, would rather have better signal strength in more places than blazing fast speeds when you're standing on this one street corner facing a specific direction. I realistically only see millimeter wave being rolled out to high density areas like stadiums or temporary roll-outs for things like political events or festivals.
Sub 6 is a much better technology for real day to day usage, the only reason I see Verizon to implement millimeter wave before sub 6 was for marketing, so they can claim they have the fastest network.
Note to VZTech:
mmWave is never going to be the "Real" 5G. It can't. It requires a microwave transmitter installed literally on every block and a fiber back-haul from that location to the central office. That infrastructure doesn't exist and will never exist as it will cost each carrier hundreds of billions of dollars, except perhaps in dense urban areas(directional boring is expensive). That is why everyone is focusing on midband as the next threshold to implement - that is the reason for the merge of Sprint (they have tons of midband) and T-Mobile. Verizon has midband to redeploy and AT&T is currently deploying low and midband for the same reasons. Your Ultra will address all of it currently being deployed. If I was on Verizon, I would want a carrier based phone to handle future changes not yet announced.
As to the current T-Mobile 5G, I have a T-Mobile Note 10 + 5G (same modem but no mmWave antenna) and an Ultra in route. After receiving the phone I drove over wide areas in the Chicago suburbs and I saw ranges from very low to well over 200 Mbps. CA is part on the carrier side and part on the phone side. Since you are one of the ones testing it, have you contacted either Samsung or, more importantly, T-Mobile tech support? Perhaps there is a software issue on the phone. Perhaps there is an issue in your area that needs to be addressed. Remember, that until this week, very few people in the entire country (just those buying the Note 10+5G and the OnePlus 7T Pro 5G McLaren edition) have been on it. I would not be surprised that there are still bugs to be shaken out on these phones and on the network as a whole. I had to call in my area about that and T-Mobile made some changes. YMMV, but it is worth a call. I wouldn't pass judgement until after I had spoken to T-Mobile and they agreed that what you are getting is all you will get.
I get 1-2mpbs down with 5g enabled and 70mbps+ down with LTE (4g) turned off and 5g disabled. I think this is a software issue where it should be switching to LTE for higher download speeds and 5g when there is coverage issues.
nappent said:
I get 1-2mpbs down with 5g enabled and 70mbps+ down with LTE (4g) turned off and 5g disabled. I think this is a software issue where it should be switching to LTE for higher download speeds and 5g when there is coverage issues.
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This is due to no ca between "5g"600mhz, and 4g lte. Just turn off 5g. It's useless in most places.
Hello, hope everyone is safe. Question: how many of you use the 5g in the US. Is it reliable? Since i got my mclaren back in December, i only used it once, wasnt happy with it and i have been using lte ever since.
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Hello, hope everyone is safe. Question: how many of you use the 5g in the US. Is it reliable? Since i got my mclaren back in December, i only used it once, wasnt happy with it and i have been using lte ever since.
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I am using it in an area that was pretty weak, and it is working pretty good. It should get much better as the Sprint mid-range frequencies are turned on.
I thought the one plus mclerean was a low band phone not a mid band
last update added band n41, it's even listed on t-mobile site
I came to correct my post. I see that it can handle it just not mmwave or whatever they call it. Which I heard you can't get that through buildings. I only use my phone when I'm indoors
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I thought the one plus mclerean was a low band phone not a mid band
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It is, Sprint has the midband that will be used by Tmo for 5G.
Its good when it works. Theres one spot in town where it says its full bars but internet doesnt want to work until i swtich to lte. Im guessing its just an issue with that tower.
ErickF said:
Its good when it works. Theres one spot in town where it says its full bars but internet doesnt want to work until i swtich to lte. Im guessing its just an issue with that tower.
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T-Mobile's 5G implementation is still pretty new and I've noticed that 5 g can sometimes be slower than LTE. That being said, I suspect that T-Mobile will improve this with time. What is nice is that 5G networks are exclusive to 5G capable phones, meaning congestion can sometimes be better, at least from my understanding. I'm glad to see US carriers finally embracing 5G, despite the fact that it may not be as capable as international variants. Time will tell if we see any significant improvements with 5G coverage.
I have noticed significant improvements in coverage when traveling. My job requires I travel around a lot, since I do electrical work for cell phone towers. Historically,4G LTE coverage with T-Mobile has been spotty in certain parts of the country, but comparing my Pixel 3a XL with LTE coverage versus my McLaren 5G has shown a huge improvement and overall coverage and speed!there have been times where my pixel will get around 5 mbps vs my OP7T Pro McLaren 5G will be hitting well into 80+!
I have seen improvement also. I had to use a TMo booster in my house it was so bad. I have turned it off now.
I sometimes turn off 5G and get better speeds on LTE. But I checked a spectrum map, TMobile doesn't have enough low band spectrum in my specific geographic region. Completing the Sprint merger should help with that, and the 7t McLaren can support the Sprint frequencies with just a software update.
Fortunately I spend almost no time in cities where mmWave would matter, that's the only thing this phone can't do that other 5g phones can.
I have 5g in my rural town but the past two days the network has been acting up they might be working on the towers or something. Even my 4glte kicks of and on including my 5g.....
In my geography 5g is slower than 4g, but I checked a spectrum map and Tmo only has the minimum possible low band spectrum in my city and region. I've heard 5g works better if Tmo has 20mhz or more, and the addition of Dish licencing deals and Sprint spectrum is supposed to help later in 2020.
Anyway I'm usually just staying home using WiFi so it doesn't matter that much at the moment.
I get 110 mbs a second wear side of town and 30 mbs middle of town with 5g but I have a constant connection with 5g with 4g lte I sometimes have to reload pages cause of congestion
Sprint users have you noticed faster internet speeds? I received an update on 4/22 follow by the message about T-mobile allowing us to tap into their 5G. However, this afternoon when i got home my browsing was a bit snappy. I did a speed test on two different apps and was pulling 140 to 160 Mbps where before I was only getting 12-24 Mbps.
I got the same text, unfortunately I still have yet to get a software update to use the 5g from tmobile.
I just got the phone today, the note 8 on LTE was doing over 30mbps, I turned this on, 5G kicked on automatically and speeds at 24mbps lol. I saw this post, and checking for updates now to see if I can tap into Tmo 5g.
Is the software you have installed G988USQU1ATD6?
I haven't got 5g didn't connect to 5g for a few mins while traveling, I have noticed through signal checker being on band 2 lte at home very crappy sprint lte after profile and prl update so have been able to test speeds, before update I had excellent service on sprint
I had the software upgrade earlier this month. Today at work I had crappy service sending and receiving texts and slow network speeds. Now at home my status bar shows Sprint|SPRINT and have 5g. But with speeds of 2.5 up and .5 down at best.
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Here is my chat with tech support:
Tim B: 9:08PMActually your address has 4G network, it catches the 5G signal but do not support. That is why it does not work on 5G, I can see the 5G is extending to your area, and soon you will hear a good news. Then once you connect it to 5G, it will be 10 times faster then 4G.
You: 9:09PMSo I am not the only customer with this issue in this area?
Tim B: 9:09PMYou are right.
You: 9:10PMSo I should keep my network set to 4g and avoid 5g until further notice?
Tim B: 9:10PMYou are correct.
I took a few speed tests while connected to 5G in north Florida. at best 24mbps, throughout the day it's around 1-3mbps. I'm assuming it's on one of t-mobiles low bands.
edit: I was on band 2. I used that app in another thread to only select a few to choose from, it jumped on band 66 and speeds ~100mbps. Nice.
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I just got the phone today, the note 8 on LTE was doing over 30mbps, I turned this on, 5G kicked on automatically and speeds at 24mbps lol. I saw this post, and checking for updates now to see if I can tap into Tmo 5g.
Is the software you have installed G988USQU1ATD6?
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You don't have 5g capability with a Note 8...
mistermidas said:
You don't have 5g capability with a Note 8...
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I agree?
sanmanc said:
Here is my chat with tech support:
Tim B: 9:08PM Actually your address has 4G network, it catches the 5G signal but do not support. That is why it does not work on 5G, I can see the 5G is extending to your area, and soon you will hear a good news. Then once you connect it to 5G, it will be 10 times faster then 4G.
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Lmao. Don't hold your breath.
I am in a 5G area and it is barely faster than LTE. However, I *do* get service in areas that I didn't have service before, so that is a definite improvement.
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Lmao. Don't hold your breath.
I am in a 5G area and it is barely faster than LTE. However, I *do* get service in areas that I didn't have service before, so that is a definite improvement.
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Yeah, I don't really notice a huge speed difference. But I purposely went to three areas in my city that I usually don't get any reception or bad reception, and I was able to a decent signal now. So I'm definitely glad about that, since I do Doordash part-time and need my internet to work doing those deliveries.
At my house on T-Mobile I’m getting about 80 d/l and 6 u/l on 5g, and 150 d/l and 25 u/l on 4g. Pretty unimpressed so far. With the jump from 3g to 4g there was a huge, tangible difference in speeds. I certainly didn’t lose speed.
I am on Sprint and getting 5G. At night, I got 71.4Mbps speed. I don't exactly remember the day but I think it was around 30-35Mbps
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At my house on T-Mobile I’m getting about 80 d/l and 6 u/l on 5g, and 150 d/l and 25 u/l on 4g. Pretty unimpressed so far. With the jump from 3g to 4g there was a huge, tangible difference in speeds. I certainly didn’t lose speed.
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80 is about right for tmo/spr nationwide 5g.. u have to keep in mind theres 3 different 5g networks.. nationwide uses the low end which allows for more coverage but slower speeds which is what most are on..
sprint was using mid band which i pulled over 500 consistently (im in phoenix) but since the merger and about 2 weeks ago they cut the mid band from sprint in favor of tmo 5g network making my s10 5g and 7pro5g no longer able to connect to 5g networm as theyre not compatible..
basically cureently most are stuck with low band nationwide 5g as they expand their mid range and only certain urban areas will get mmWave which is 1gb+ speeds..
mmWave requires thousands of towers in covered areas as it doesnt have as much range..
what i am saying is itll get better as time goes and most other carriers dont even have a 5g connection across the us so tmo is ahead of the game..
also dont expect 1gb+ mmwave 5g anytime soon or at all unless u live in an urban area
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My 4g at work has greatly improved at 208mb/s download and a not so great 14mb/s upload. That's here in Hawaii.
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thats bot bad at all
You're not gonna notice any speed difference on TMobile 5g. Sprints 5g has the best if both worlds. Good penetration through objects and faster than 4g with better latency. Too bad it's not available to all TMobile customers yet. That's what I'm waiting for...
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You're not gonna notice any speed difference on TMobile 5g. Sprints 5g has the best if both worlds. Good penetration through objects and faster than 4g with better latency. Too bad it's not available to all TMobile customers yet. That's what I'm waiting for...
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lmao
sprints 5g is also being disabled if not already in favor of tmobile 5g network.. if u read any news ud know even that sprints own 5g devices r no longer able to connect to 5g as of 4/28 except for the s20 5g devices which connect to tmo nationwide 5g now.
on the bright side sprimt customers that had older 5g devices such as s10 5g are being allowed to trade in devife for s20 5g devices at discounted rates if they receive a targeted offer from sprint.
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lmao
sprints 5g is also being disabled if not already in favor of tmobile 5g network.. if u read any news ud know even that sprints own 5g devices r no longer able to connect to 5g as of 4/28 except for the s20 5g devices which connect to tmo nationwide 5g now.
on the bright side sprimt customers that had older 5g devices such as s10 5g are being allowed to trade in devife for s20 5g devices at discounted rates if they receive a targeted offer from sprint.
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Wow that's totally weird cause TMobile themselves said they are allowing their TMobile customers in New York and Pennsylvania to use sprints 5g service. I guess I should've known that when they said they are expanding their TMobile service to include sprints 5g that it a actually meant they are removing the service. They need to work better on their communication.
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Wow that's totally weird cause TMobile themselves said they are allowing their TMobile customers in New York and Pennsylvania to use sprints 5g service. I guess I should've known that when they said they are expanding their TMobile service to include sprints 5g that it a actually meant they are removing the service. They need to work better on their communication.
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not sure when u read that but if it was a while ago then it mightve changed since u last read it.
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I don't know about the who's or whats,but, elliwigy, you working on.a root or is it unable? Haha. I would try seeking internal stuff,but, over the past few years, I've gotten extremely lazy. And almost a year in jail made me forget about a lot of stuff.
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It was last week. But I guess, again, when they say something they obviously mean the opposite of what they said. Those New York residents are just magically getting increased speeds.
Since the merger my speeds doubled since March. I am on tmobile five miles from NYC. Basically the other side of the Hudson River in NJ. 120mbps up and 60mbs down. Its not the greatest but its still good.