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Hello all,
I searched the forums round and round, and couldn't find my answers so I hope you will be able to help me out.
i'm looking for a new phone and decided I want to go with the S5. that was before i learned about KNOX and it's wonderful ways.
i'm a heavy modder, who will most definitely use a custom recovery and ROM/kernel.
my questions are:
1. would it be possible to flash a custom recovery / rom / kernel / modem despite KNOX being preset?
2. other then getting this 0x1 and voiding my official warranty, are there any other result to this? will something not work?
3. assuming I get an unlocked international phone, is there any need to mess/change my FW? or is that just part of guides for rooting without tripping KNOX ?
Basically, I want to be sure that I could do whatever I want to the phone without getting stuck or turning it unusable because of KNOX. my current phone is a Nexus 4 and it has been heaven. I want to preserve this feeling
thanks for the help guys, appreciate it!
Did you tried Towelroot method for rooting your device? I heard that doesn't trigger knox..
I would imagine my rooting the phone is the least of my worries.
as far as I know - and this is one of my questions - flashing a custom recovery and or rom will 100% trip KNOX.
not that I care, I just need to know if this is true..and my other questions as well
thanks!
A brief answer
If you - as you say "i'm a heavy modder" Samsung phones are not for you
I've heard tales of people having issues flashing modems when knox is triggered. I have not checked that out for myself Joe have I searched any further into the matter.
I plan on breaking knox soon though because screw knox.
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chainbr3ak said:
A brief answer
If you - as you say "i'm a heavy modder" Samsung phones are not for you
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This answer really worries me to be honest.
could you elaborate?
I don't really care about KNOX, and as long as I can mod away and jump back and forth between modems/roms/kernels - I don't care for the warranty.
If indeed there is truth in the matter, and modem flashing will become a problem if KNOX is tripped, then this would be a deal breaker for me on this phone.
anyone care to add more info here?
Amornik said:
This answer really worries me to be honest.
could you elaborate?
I don't really care about KNOX, and as long as I can mod away and jump back and forth between modems/roms/kernels - I don't care for the warranty.
If indeed there is truth in the matter, and modem flashing will become a problem if KNOX is tripped, then this would be a deal breaker for me on this phone.
anyone care to add more info here?
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You can, but you will always have problems like network, connection,calls, bugs and so on
Samsung devices do not provide the old pleasure as previously
Knox killed freedom of developers and people who like customizations
I would really appreciate an answer from someone who knows for sure.
does tripping KNOX disables the option to upgrade/downgrade the modem?
Amornik said:
I would really appreciate an answer from someone who knows for sure.
does tripping KNOX disables the option to upgrade/downgrade the modem?
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No, KNOX tripping is only at the moment a warranty void solution for samsung. its like the flash count flags.
basically if you trip knox. you're already in it. you do what you want
Amornik said:
I would really appreciate an answer from someone who knows for sure.
does tripping KNOX disables the option to upgrade/downgrade the modem?
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I bought my phone with ANCE firmware and the KNOX was tripped in the first hour by CF-AutoRoot. Now I'm on ANG2, flashed with Odin and the modem is updated correctly.
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I bought my phone with ANCE firmware and the KNOX was tripped in the first hour by CF-AutoRoot. Now I'm on ANG2, flashed with Odin and the modem is updated correctly.
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Now i'm a bit confused when you say you upgrade the FW, you mean the modem baseband, right ?
Amornik said:
Now i'm a bit confused when you say you upgrade the FW, you mean the modem baseband, right ?
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Exactly, but with full stock image flush (including bootloader). The full stock tar.md5 form sammobile includes the modem/bootloader/rom. I think that the important thing is to have a modem which is compatible with the bootloader (same version). Didn't try to mix different bootloader/modem(baseband) versions.
Tripping KNOX will only disable the feature which allows you to store some data on a encrypted part of the device (Mostly comercial use) when KNOX is tripped any data stored on the 'special' partition is destroyed.
So there are only 2 things that will be affected, your warranty (Not a problem in Europe) and the special partition that I explained earlier.
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Thanks guys, excellent replies !
So...I did it !
I went and bought a brand new S5, and tripped KNOX within the hour. Man, did it feel sooo good !
custom recovery up, rom up, here we go!
Is still CFAutoRoot still the only way to root our devices? Note 3 and S5 could root with TowelRoot and not void their warranty, we still cant Are any of the devs working on a workaround for this?
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Is still CFAutoRoot still the only way to root our devices? Note 3 and S5 could root with TowelRoot and not void their warranty, we still cant Are any of the devs working on a workaround for this?
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Currently CFAutoRoot is the only way to root your Note 4 at the moment, so this means you will lose your warranty if you rooted your Note 4. However many people are saying that tripping KNOX doesn't mean Samsung will not fix your phone if you have a hardware issue unless they can proof that the hardware issue is caused by the software you installed or rooting it.
I think developers are currently working on it, but I guess you just need to be patient. Hope I solved your question.
There is no workaround for knox.
Knox is a physical fuse (that meets DoD security standards), if you tamper with the secure knox box or root your device the fuse blows.
Therefore, by rooting your device you have physically damaged your phone and your warranty is void.
Here in the UK, we are under the false impression that by rooting we have not physically damaged the device, but in fact we have. Thus, if Samsung so chooses not to repair devices under warranty, we have no recourse.
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JagDave said:
There is no workaround for knox.
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Most important information missing: "at present"
Knox is a physical fuse (that meets DoD security standards), if you tamper with the secure knox box or root your device the fuse blows.
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Most important information missing: "at present"
In the past, there were countless workarounds for achieving boot without tripping Knox.
Therefore, by rooting your device you have physically damaged your phone and your warranty is void.
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You didn't do any physical change. Samsung did, nobody else.
I guess we need to be patient; developers will concentrate on Lollipop - doesn't make much sense breaking your brains for rooting a firmware which will be more or less obsolete in a just few days.
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I guess we need to be patient; developers will concentrate on Lollipop - doesn't make much sense breaking your brains for rooting a firmware which will be more or less obsolete in a just few days.
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I guess you are right, i mean i thought that Lollipop would be out like a month ago, probably devs too, but i hope they start working on a workaround as soon lollipop is out, and that should be any day now, even official lollipop user manual is up on samsungs web
Galaxy note 4 sm n910g without tripping knox Counter?
Hello sir , is there any way to root Galaxy note 4 sm n910g without tripping knox Counter? i heard with towel root it's possible but sadly note 4 is not compatible with that :crying: can you help me with any other idea or way to root it? 2.question > is that truth if knox counter void the warranty still they will fix the hardware issue? i mean of course they will not fix the software issuse...but hardware yes? I am in INDIA
Anyway to root G935FD(Exynos) without tripping knox?
Cant wait to root my phone , but still worry about the screen replacement in the future
Do you guys have any idea?
No probably wont ever happen.
mindstorms54 said:
Anyway to root G935FD(Exynos) without tripping knox?
Cant wait to root my phone , but still worry about the screen replacement in the future
Do you guys have any idea?
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Root without tripping knox is possible if a Engineering Bootloader surfaces.
But I'm not sure whether even it can retain the 0x0 for a longer time.
No the system scans for any abnormalities in the system and if it senses any changes boom knox tripped
It's extremely unlikely we will get root without tripping knox and like @Ausboy 2011 said, the system will trip knox if it detects any system modifications. Something as simnple as installing a root app could trip knox in this case.
They released an engineering bootloader for the galaxy S6 Edge. So it IS possible. We just need to wait for that time to come. With the engineering bootloader you can modify anything on the system without tripping knox. You just need to flash EVERYTHING back to stock at the same time if you chose to remove said bootloader. Also, I know in the beginning phases of use of this engineering bootloader they lost use of their fingerprint reader. So there's always that possibility too. But we'll just have to see if/when that time comes.
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They released an engineering bootloader for the galaxy S6 Edge. So it IS possible. We just need to wait for that time to come. With the engineering bootloader you can modify anything on the system without tripping knox. You just need to flash EVERYTHING back to stock at the same time if you chose to remove said bootloader. Also, I know in the beginning phases of use of this engineering bootloader they lost use of their fingerprint reader. So there's always that possibility too. But we'll just have to see if/when that time comes.
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Looking forward to the day
Is Samsung pay rendered useless if you root then?
psufan5 said:
Is Samsung pay rendered useless if you root then?
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If you trip knox then yes.
peachpuff said:
If you trip knox then yes.
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And you can't "untrip" knox by going back to stock I assume?
Yes
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thing is we have the engineer bootloader for the s7 edge already. just noone has it working yet
mindstorms54 said:
Anyway to root G935FD(Exynos) without tripping knox?
Cant wait to root my phone , but still worry about the screen replacement in the future
Do you guys have any idea?
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what happens if knox is tripped? Can't i use mobile payment or anything?
tazoman said:
what happens if knox is tripped? Can't i use mobile payment or anything?
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No,if Knox is tripped Samsung Pay will not work
tazoman said:
what happens if knox is tripped? Can't i use mobile payment or anything?
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Btw
Your warranty will be void
mindstorms54 said:
Btw
Your warranty will be void
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This actually varies depending on your location. For instance, in Europe, tripping knox will NOT void warranty. It is against EU law to refuse a hardware repair just because the software has been modified.
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This actually varies depending on your location. For instance, in Europe, tripping knox will NOT void warranty. It is against EU law to refuse a hardware repair just because the software has been modified.
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That's true, but most places don't care, as they just send it to Samsung and they deny warranty repair because of tripped knox. You can of course get the repair if you take the fight up.. But really, who want to? I sued the place where I bought my S6, because they would not repair a KNOWN HARDWARE failure on the S6 (pink dots on front camera) after I had rooted my phone. They sent it to Samsung and they denied. By law they should pay the repair then.
I was told I was right by Danish Customer Service, but they needed my phone for like 7-8 months and I did not have my S7 Edge there, so I would be without a phone, so I called it.. For really, what could I win? I knew I would upgrade when the S7 came out anyway.
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That's true, but most places don't care, as they just send it to Samsung and they deny warranty repair because of tripped knox. You can of course get the repair if you take the fight up.. But really, who want to? I sued the place where I bought my S6, because they would not repair a KNOWN HARDWARE failure on the S6 (pink dots on front camera) after I had rooted my phone. They sent it to Samsung and they denied. By law they should pay the repair then.
I was told I was right by Danish Customer Service, but they needed my phone for like 7-8 months and I did not have my S7 Edge there, so I would be without a phone, so I called it.. For really, what could I win? I knew I would upgrade when the S7 came out anyway.
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Here in the UK, Samsung will repair even if Knox is tripped. I have had a few repairs over the years and have always had tripped Knox. Some other UK users on here have confirmed the same.
Well that's nice. Sure they're are aware Knox was tripped? Because I was an idiot back then, I sent my phone in with a custom ROM, så they could not enter the binary, which was the reason they saw Knox was tripped.. When I said I would flash stock firmware, they said that was not possible without replacing something inside (the motherboard I think).
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Well that's nice. Sure they're are aware Knox was tripped? Because I was an idiot back then, I sent my phone in with a custom ROM, så they could not enter the binary, which was the reason they saw Knox was tripped.. When I said I would flash stock firmware, they said that was not possible without replacing something inside (the motherboard I think).
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A Samsung rep in one of the repair stores told me that it doesn't matter if it has a tripped Knox as long as we put the stock firmware on the phone and it is NOT rooted. If it's rooted they will refuse.
However, I have known people to get the repair even when rooted.
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Hi
Is there way to root S7 Edge with out loosing warranty? I tried to google it but didnt find any methods that are safe. By safe I mean something that does not remove warranty.
Currently there is no guaranteed way to root without losing warranty. There maybe a work around by doing systemless root but that is still in the beta stage and may not be perfected for a while.
There are countless threads regarding this issue. There is no way to root the Exynos S7 (Edge) without tripping Knox, thus warranty. Systemless root will NEVER root a Samsung without tripping Knox. Systemless root modifies the kernel to achieve root. This will ALWAYS trigger the Knox counter. Flashing modified image = tripping Knox.
Even flashing a custom recovery kills the warranty unfortunately . Anything without Samsung Signature or with modified code, will break the warranty. And Samsung Signature will be ignored after knox has been set to 0x1, this way Your phone won't reset itself after flashing official rom.
Sort answer: No
Long answer: There is not
Thanks.
I was wondering how tripping warranty works? Does it send something to Samsung servers? I was just wondering if it would be possible to add something in hosts file to prevent it from happening?
Or does anyone know the location of binary that check for signature? In that case one could just modify that binary to accept everything.
The reason I got interested in rooting is that I have some bloatware that I cant uninstall. Forexample some yahoo thing that consumed 12 MB of datatransfer. There is no way to take away it's permission, and there is no uninstall option and when I try to remove it with adb shell (using rm command in /system/app for that) it says file system is readonly.
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Thanks.
I was wondering how tripping warranty works? Does it send something to Samsung servers? I was just wondering if it would be possible to add something in hosts file to prevent it from happening?
Or does anyone know the location of binary that check for signature? In that case one could just modify that binary to accept everything.
The reason I got interested in rooting is that I have some bloatware that I cant uninstall. Forexample some yahoo thing that consumed 12 MB of datatransfer. There is no way to take away it's permission, and there is no uninstall option and when I try to remove it with adb shell (using rm command in /system/app for that) it says file system is readonly.
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Just disable yahoo, or install package disabler and disable all the bloat from there
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Just disable yahoo, or install package disabler and disable all the bloat from there
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There is no way to disable it I'll tried some uninstaller app and it did not manage to kill it..
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There is no way to disable it I'll tried some uninstaller app and it did not manage to kill it..
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https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ospolice.packagedisablerpro
http://forum.xda-developers.com/android/software/debloater-remove-carrier-bloat-t2998294
Both are working fine, but you can't delete it without root, just disable.
I love how Samsung have become everything I hated about Apple. I own an S7 Edge and I'm half considering selling it for a Xiaomi. I get equal warranty with a Xiaomi, but I can get the phone for like £100.
Seems to be confusion between tripping Knox and warranty here. You can't "trip warranty". In some countries, tripping Knox voids your warranty, but not all. I had my Edge+ fixed twice under warranty, no problem - informed the dealer that I'd removed Knox 30 minutes after purchase, they said it was fine. Same with my son's Note 3.
Unfortunately the only way to be sure is flash a recovery and/or root, bork your phone, and see what happens?
I had few questions raising in my mind:
1) Will ripping warranty also disable software updates?
2) How important is warranty for S7 Edge? Does this phone break easily? My friend told me that Samsung phones will have all kinds of defects and that I am very likely to need warranty, but what about S7 Edge? What's the chances that I need warranty in 2 years given that the phone was brand new when I brought it few months ago?
1) Rooting will break OTA update, so you will have to update software by flashing it manually (which is easy, but still)
2) You can never know. Had a Note 4, thought it would never fail, in the end it did and I needed warranty. That's why I am staying away from it on my S7 edge, too expensive in case of failure. And in my country they're strict with Knox
No way till now.
And in my country they're strict with Knox
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How do I get to know which countries are strict with Knox and which are not? So after rooting I get no updates at all or it only means I wont get automatically android 7 when Samsung decides to release it?
Isn't there way that I write something smart in hosts file and then Samsung wont get notified?
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No way till now.
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Elaborate ?
sysctl said:
How do I get to know which countries are strict with Knox and which are not?
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By hearing experiences from users around the globe. There's no list or something
sysctl said:
So after rooting I get no updates at all or it only means I wont get automatically android 7 when Samsung decides to release it
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You don't get any OTA updates any more
sysctl said:
Isn't there way that I write something smart in hosts file and then Samsung wont get notified?
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Unnecessary, Samsung doesn't get notified online or over the Internet from your device
sysctl said:
How do I get to know which countries are strict with Knox and which are not? So after rooting I get no updates at all or it only means I wont get automatically android 7 when Samsung decides to release it?
Isn't there way that I write something smart in hosts file and then Samsung wont get notified?
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From my experience and hearing from users around the world, central and southern Europe seem to be very strict regarding warranty and tripped Knox. Some countries in eastern Europe, northern Europe are less strict about it.
The Arab peninsula doesn't seem to care at all about Knox and warranty. Don't know much about African countries. Heard users saying they do and don't care about a tripped Knox. Never heard about issues from the United States about warranty and tripped Knox.
Feel free to correct me.
1) Does it only mean no updates for samsung software or no update at all? I mean would it also breaks updates for lets say firefox or vlc or termux (which are not shipped by samsung)?
What do you mean by "flashing it manually" Like manually reinsali firefox when I want newer version of it? Or that I only have to flash manually when I want to update OS?
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There are countless threads regarding this issue. There is no way to root the Exynos S7 (Edge) without tripping Knox, thus warranty. Systemless root will NEVER root a Samsung without tripping Knox. Systemless root modifies the kernel to achieve root. This will ALWAYS trigger the Knox counter. Flashing modified image = tripping Knox.
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What are side effects of tripping knox besides loosing warranty? Will i loose any features?
Does Samsung Pay work on U?
I'm trying to go back to stock because root is too laggy. Want to use U firmware, but does Samsung Pay work?
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Does Samsung Pay work on U?
I'm trying to go back to stock because root is too laggy. Want to use U firmware, but does Samsung Pay work?
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Yes, just fine.
Yes it works. Currently using G935UUEU4APL4.
What's the advantage of UFirmware? From what I've read, it has less bloatware but just eats a lot of battery.
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What's the advantage of UFirmware? From what I've read, it has less bloatware but just eats a lot of battery.
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It reportedly consumed more battery on rooted devices, unrooted should be fine, though I have had no problem running on it (though I have a fair bit of adjustments applied). The U-Firmware performs better for me and a friend immediately noticed how much smoother his phone performed after switching. Wifi calling still works, though I think you loose VOLTE & vide calling. Less bloat could probably lead to better battery anyways, though to be safe you could always switch to apk1 and wait for Nougat.
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Wifi calling still works, though I think you loose VOLTE & vide calling.
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On T-Mobile VoLTE still works, but the built-in video calling is absent on the U firmware.
I thought after you tripped Knox by rooting there was no going back, and Samsung Pay is permanently broken. Is that not the case?
Rooting does not trip Knox.
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Rooting does not trip Knox.
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Rooting does trip Knox. Flashing OEM firmware via Odin doesn't. Once you trip Knox, Samsung pay will not work anymore.
To answer OP's question, yes it works. I've been rocking G935U latest firmware on my T-Mobile Variant and works beautifully. I strongly suggest you move to U firmware.
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Rooting does trip Knox. Flashing OEM firmware via Odin doesn't. Once you trip Knox, Samsung pay will not work anymore.
To answer OP's question, yes it works. I've been rocking G935U latest firmware on my T-Mobile Variant and works beautifully. I strongly suggest you move to U firmware.
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Huh. That's very odd because I've rooted my S7E several times and I'm still 0x0 and I'm not rooted anymore because I like the use of Samsung Pay.
Don't think that what you're saying is accurate.
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Huh. That's very odd because I've rooted my S7E several times and I'm still 0x0 and I'm not rooted anymore because I like the use of Samsung Pay.
Don't think that what you're saying is accurate.
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That's weird that it doesn't trip yours. All the posts I've seen on XDA and everywhere else say it does. Did you go as far as flashing a new recovery? I've tripped mine on my Note 4 before (not doing on my s7e because I still like to play it safe). How did you root yours? If that doesn't trip Knox, then Samsung just had a major mishap on their security. Good for you then. :good:
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That's weird that it doesn't trip yours. All the posts I've seen on XDA and everywhere else say it does. Did you go as far as flashing a new recovery? I've tripped mine on my Note 4 before (not doing on my s7e because I still like to play it safe). How did you root yours? If that doesn't trip Knox, then Samsung just had a major mishap on their security. Good for you then. :good:
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We can't flash a new recovery because the bootloader is locked.
You're writing in the T-Mobile forum man.
None of our Knox is tripped. We get root through an engineering kernel and flash through Flashfire.
Samsung Pay doesn't work but our Knox is still 0x0.
Pretty sure the only root that trips Knox is CF-Autoroot that you flash through odin, that's only available for the F model and the china snapdragon model.