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I'm a recent purchaser of the tabpro 8.4, thanks to Best Buy selling them so cheap. I sold my Nexus 7 (2012) to buy it. I Hated the stock touchwiz software but loved the hardware. First rooted and flashed an early cm12 build. It was buggy.! I've been flashing each new cm12 nightly since then. Several nagging issues remain. They are mainly cosmetic, but irksome. I flashed cm11 m12 today, and am a very happy camper. I recommend PA Stock Gapps to flash with it. So many of google's apps have been updated, especially the Google Now Launcher, that you really get a heaping helping of material design, without even needing lollipop! I'm not having any issues with cm11. I would recommend also downloading the new google exchange services apk, so that you can use gmail to check your exchange mail like you can in lollipop.
I'll be using this rom until I get word that cm12 is a bit more stable.
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I'm a recent purchaser of the tabpro 8.4, thanks to Best Buy selling them so cheap. I sold my Nexus 7 (2012) to buy it. I Hated the stock touchwiz software but loved the hardware. First rooted and flashed an early cm12 build. It was buggy.! I've been flashing each new cm12 nightly since then. Several nagging issues remain. They are mainly cosmetic, but irksome. I flashed cm11 m12 today, and am a very happy camper. I recommend PA Stock Gapps to flash with it. So many of google's apps have been updated, especially the Google Now Launcher, that you really get a heaping helping of material design, without even needing lollipop! I'm not having any issues with cm11. I would recommend also downloading the new google exchange services apk, so that you can use gmail to check your exchange mail like you can in lollipop.
I'll be using this rom until I get word that cm12 is a bit more stable.
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Seconded. I've had ZERO problems with CM11 M12 on the Tab Pro 8.4.
i love cm11 m12 too... on tab pro 8.4. i only noticed battery drain compared to stock.
have you some tip ? for example alternative kernel or other?
Now that they have a decent nightly build of cm12 out u should try it... I was gonna wait for the official build but unjust got bored the other day so I backed everything up and made the switch... Its freaking awesome... Very stable, awesome new features and it seems like my tab is even running smoother! I did a benchmark with antutu and my overall went up a little... I love it. Plus, u don't have to be a developer to make yourvown themes now, there's a diy theme builder program out that's very user friendly. Just a thought. BTW, thanks to the CyanogenMod developers!!! You guys kick ass!!!
Little things like on screen buttons being out of proportion, charging icon being held off the screen when powered off and charging, and volume button reorient not working keeps me away from CM12. Kinda feels like these would be comparatively easy to fix. I think it has to do with our tab's insanely high screen resolution.
cancrippler said:
I'm a recent purchaser of the tabpro 8.4, thanks to Best Buy selling them so cheap. I sold my Nexus 7 (2012) to buy it. I Hated the stock touchwiz software but loved the hardware. First rooted and flashed an early cm12 build. It was buggy.! I've been flashing each new cm12 nightly since then. Several nagging issues remain. They are mainly cosmetic, but irksome. I flashed cm11 m12 today, and am a very happy camper. I recommend PA Stock Gapps to flash with it. So many of google's apps have been updated, especially the Google Now Launcher, that you really get a heaping helping of material design, without even needing lollipop! I'm not having any issues with cm11. I would recommend also downloading the new google exchange services apk, so that you can use gmail to check your exchange mail like you can in lollipop.
I'll be using this rom until I get word that cm12 is a bit more stable.
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Hi
Which method did you use to root and flash? I am going to do that for my 8.4 and I was thinking to use this http://wiki.cyanogenmod.org/w/Install_CM_for_mondrianwifi . Is your method any simpler?
thanks
cancrippler said:
Little things like on screen buttons being out of proportion, charging icon being held off the screen when powered off and charging, and volume button reorient not working keeps me away from CM12. Kinda feels like these would be comparatively easy to fix. I think it has to do with our tab's insanely high screen resolution.
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I tried the on screen buttons but found it irritating when trying to type and trying to hit the spacebar, hitting home instead, but I'm not sure they're out of proportion; they might be a little too small. As for the charging icon being held off the screen, I'm not sure what you mean by that, but I've not experienced any issues with it. I haven't tested the volume button reorientation, but I may have to tonight.
All said and done, I installed CM12 yesterday, and I'm super happy with it. I got my 10.1 last week and I was ready to return it because it was so sluggish. I haven't had a single hiccup yet with CM12 (2/15 nightly). LOVING this tablet now and not giving it up.
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hajkan said:
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Which method did you use to root and flash? I am going to do that for my 8.4 and I was thinking to use this http://wiki.cyanogenmod.org/w/Install_CM_for_mondrianwifi . Is your method any simpler?
thanks
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I'm not 100% sure that it's the same for the 8.4, but all I did for the 10.1 is use Odin to flash TWRP, then flashed CM12 and gapps through recovery. You can enable root in the settings UI.
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I'm not 100% sure that it's the same for the 8.4, but all I did for the 10.1 is use Odin to flash TWRP, then flashed CM12 and gapps through recovery. You can enable root in the settings UI.
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Thanks I will give it a try. Which portion of the installation has the root setting? Do you mean TWRP or CM?
CM is more fluid than the TouchWiz, the problem is that many functions are lost, using two applications on the screen, for example. And the battery is drained extremely fast compared to Samsung TouchWiz, the reason probable is the optimization they do for tablets, after all, the rom is made for mobile phones that have much smaller screen. Currently the only manufacturer doing some optimization and customization for tablets is Samsung.
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I tried the on screen buttons but found it irritating when trying to type and trying to hit the spacebar, hitting home instead, but I'm not sure they're out of proportion; they might be a little too small. As for the charging icon being held off the screen, I'm not sure what you mean by that, but I've not experienced any issues with it. I haven't tested the volume button reorientation, but I may have to tonight.
All said and done, I installed CM12 yesterday, and I'm super happy with it. I got my 10.1 last week and I was ready to return it because it was so sluggish. I haven't had a single hiccup yet with CM12 (2/15 nightly). LOVING this tablet now and not giving it up.
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I'm not 100% sure that it's the same for the 8.4, but all I did for the 10.1 is use Odin to flash TWRP, then flashed CM12 and gapps through recovery. You can enable root in the settings UI.
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Sounds like you have a 10.1 instead of an 8.4. The back button on my 8.4 in on screen navigation is bigger than the others in cm12. The charging icon is messed up too when the tab is off, being half off the screen.
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Thanks I will give it a try. Which portion of the installation has the root setting? Do you mean TWRP or CM?
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I mean settings in Android, in the CM12 ROM. I believe it's under Developer Settings (tab build number like 6-7 times to enable), and you can control what has root privileges (ADB, Apps, Both, None). They don't use SuperSU anymore.
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cancrippler said:
Sounds like you have a 10.1 instead of an 8.4. The back button on my 8.4 in on screen navigation is bigger than the others in cm12. The charging icon is messed up too when the tab is off, being half off the screen.
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Ahhh, OK. You have the 8.4. Yes, I was talking about the 10.1. I think development started on the 8.4 a little later (I could be wrong). Sounds frustrating though.
Can anyone uk user confirm please ifBBC iplayer is working On C 12?
How is the battery life compared to touchwiz? I tried cm11 a couple months back but it was really buggy and had to go back to touchwiz. I'm also not sure about swithting to cm11 because of touchwiz features like multi-window and screencast, mainly screencast with the stock video app.
Well I put cm12 on.and wow its made a hell of a difference, fast.Battery life seems to be great deep sleep and screen on time. Illyreport back when I've done a full charge discharge.
I just did a wipe and flashed the ROM. It removed all Samsung apps and touchwiz and left my otherapps and games in place!
Very p!eased, feels like it should of as. I was very disappointed with the lag of this tab.
Downsides
IPlayer however doesn't seems to work yet.
And I had to alter the WiFi config file to see my router.
Switched ccode to GB from 00
Regarding battery life on MondrianWifi, I just switched off Location services completely because I don't use it on my tablet, and I get six days of standby with several hours of screen on time over that period. No screenshots at the moment, and I don't really game on the tablet.
Rusty James said:
Can anyone uk user confirm please player is working On C 12?
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BBC iPlayer not working I'm in UK and on march 11 cm12 nightly
I tried it but i am thinking of moving back to stock because there is no way to move apps back to sdcard . App2SD requires kernel support and it is not built in for CM11
What are your thoughts on the update
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Very fast and smooth. Don't like the colors. Custom romz based on LP should really fly. Can't wait.
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What are your thoughts on the update
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Love it. Seems a little buggy occasionally, slows down or apps crash. I may do a backup and factory reset/restore and see if that's better.
When it's not slowing down it's very snappy. Notifications are awesome.
I wish lockscreen notifications were a little more customizable. Only options available are:
Show all content
Hide Sensitive Content
Do not show notifications
What's missing is one that should say, "Do not show persistent notifications" For instance, I use copy bubble and sprint direct connect which are always in my notification panel. I had to turn that off or it will always show up on my lock screen.
I can't attest to touchwiz, I looked at it for a moment and then went back to Nova.
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I like that it's smoother, but for a second i thought my update had reverted. I was hoping it had a more lollipop look, but i guess i can't complain.
As for the recents app, it's not as instant as i would like it to be , but that's fine too. I wish xposed worked because this DPI is driving me crazy, it's so ****ing big!.
overall i like it more than kitkat, just because it's lollipop and buttery smooth. Customization should come soon, so I will just to wait patiently.
Battery life is horrible! I hope I can go back to kk without issues. Did this update radio?
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Battery life is horrible! I hope I can go back to kk without issues. Did this update radio?
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Mine seems pretty good. I've been using it checking it out all day.
Have you cleared the cache and restarted afterwards?
The update/upgrade was not running smooth. Jerky screen, some apps crashing. Then I did factory reset and reinstalled my apps fresh. Now it is very responsive.
The only thing I can't figure out is why my pictures in /storage/extSdCard/DCIM/Camera/ are not visible in the Gallery app. New pictures taken with the camera are saved in that same directory and are visible, but not the old ones. They are visible however in a file explorer.
In fact none of the media files on my extSdCard are visible in Gallery or Video. They are only visible in a file explorer.
Otherwise I like it....even the weird colors.
To get the Gallery to see the old photos and videos, I created new empty folders using a file manager then copied the photo/video contents of the old folders into the new empty folders.
so far so good on my end... I did a hard reset after the update and have yet to experience any bugs, lags, or force closes. I use the Google Now Launcher and the new animations look great. Can't speak for battery life yet as I just updated this morning but I'm not too worried as the Note 4 has always been great.
I did notice when I was initially on TouchWiz the status bar had a gradient tint to it... anyone else seeing this? It had always been fully transparent before
My battery life seems better with lollipop. I love the new colors in messaging. And i can't remember but the keyboard seems different. I like it a lot more the letters seem spaced out a little further and makes it easier to type.
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Mine seems pretty good. I've been using it checking it out all day.
Have you cleared the cache and restarted afterwards?
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Mines decent
It's like having a new phone. It's just that smooth. Samsung should be proud of their work.
OTOH, I love the new colors during the day, but at night it would be awesome to have a blacked out color scheme.
Agree with someone else's comment that it feels like an entirely new phone (even though Kitkat wasn't that bad).
Havent had it long enough to test battery life. Do wish there was the ability to swipe between tabs like the dialer and the ability to remove persistent notifications.
Lollipop FTW
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Agree with someone else's comment that it feels like an entirely new phone (even though Kitkat wasn't that bad).
Havent had it long enough to test battery life. Do wish there was the ability to swipe between tabs like the dialer and the ability to remove persistent notifications.
Lollipop FTW
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Yup. Seems like a new phone. Better memory management and faster. Very smooth.
Really amazing and smooth.
touch_rules said:
Love it. Seems a little buggy occasionally, slows down or apps crash. I may do a backup and factory reset/restore and see if that's better.
When it's not slowing down it's very snappy. Notifications are awesome.
I wish lockscreen notifications were a little more customizable. Only options available are:
Show all content
Hide Sensitive Content
Do not show notifications
What's missing is one that should say, "Do not show persistent notifications" For instance, I use copy bubble and sprint direct connect which are always in my notification panel. I had to turn that off or it will always show up on my lock screen.
I can't attest to touchwiz, I looked at it for a moment and then went back to Nova.
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I would suggest the data reset option. I was having similar crash/slowness
So I uberwiped the phone in TWRP, then ODIN back to NK2 KK, upgraded OTA to L, did another factory data reset, then set up phone/rooted/installed TWRP. Phone is wayyyy faster and more responsive and zero crashes now
I scored a 52408 on ANTUTU benchmark with a stock rom and kernel.
Can not wait for custom LP roms, this phone will be killer at that point
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dbug2008 said:
Battery life is horrible! I hope I can go back to kk without issues. Did this update radio?
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Try a data reset, I had simlar issues and now they seem to be gone
You have to remember, the OTA update was over 1GB (compressed) and it completely rewrote the phones memory AND changed the run time to ART. You should probably expect some issues
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I would suggest the data reset option. I was having similar crash/slowness
So I uberwiped the phone in TWRP, then ODIN back to NK2 KK, upgraded OTA to L, did another factory data reset, then set up phone/rooted/installed TWRP. Phone is wayyyy faster and more responsive and zero crashes now
I scored a 52408 on ANTUTU benchmark with a stock rom and kernel.
Can not wait for custom LP roms, this phone will be killer at that point
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Try a data reset, I had simlar issues and now they seem to be gone
You have to remember, the OTA update was over 1GB (compressed) and it completely rewrote the phones memory AND changed the run time to ART. You should probably expect some issues
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Thanks, backing up my internal storage now and getting ready to wipe and clean install.
LP... sorry I can not wait for a way to change all the flipping colors... had to be designed by a woman.
Very snappy and smooth, but only after I wiped data and restored my apps via titanium.
Can't opine on battery use yet, I've been using the phone like crazy.
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LP... sorry I can not wait for a way to change all the flipping colors... had to be designed by a woman.
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That's what I'm sayin! I haven't taken the ota yet. I'm just kicking back listening to user coments on the ota. My plan is to stay on my KK rom until I finish a dark themed Lolipop version. I'm not a fan of all this white and funny looking pastels.
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That's what I'm sayin! I haven't taken the ota yet. I'm just kicking back listening to user coments on the ota. My plan is to stay on my KK rom until I finish a dark themed Lolipop version. I'm not a fan of all this white and funny looking pastels.
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Basically same here. Not updating till kernels are equally as far as kk, can theme some, and exposed works. I'm just fine on Xnote rc2 with AEL 7.2 kernel.
Hi all,
I made this post to enhance your experience with the Z3C. Indeed I thought since a few days that I was going to throw away my phone because of multitasking. This issue is not clear at all and not all people seemed to be touched by this. However I am, definitely.
This is my experience on lollipop: I can’t have 5 apps running at the same time, even if they’re very light. For example if I’m listening to music and using chrome, everytime I switch to another app, it needs to start again. It gets really annoying when I’m using some apps at the same time and I lose lots of time.
My first idea was to switch to another phone (even if I love the Z3C for other qualities like battery life or how compact it is) but this issue seems to touch every phone except HTC’s but I’m not happy with their battery life. My last choice was the iPhone 6 to get a nice user experience.
Then I thought a little and I remembered that in fact my experience was much much better on KitKat.
So I decided to try again kitkat and OMG!!! I couldn’t get back to L, seriously. If you have the same issues as I have, it’s definitely a solution.
So of course you’ll lose some interesting stuff from Lollipop and the interface doesn’t look as nice as on L but it is definitely worth it.
Indeed on Kitkat the battery is at least equal, maybe better.
But all the difference is about performances: you can’t even compare it. When I switched from KK to L I didn’t realize and I got accommodate to it but actually in this way we can feel the difference without any hesitation.
Now I can use at least 8 apps at the same time, everything is snappier and quicker. Really it changes my smartphone life.
So if you’re ready to leave L, join me with KK and you won’t regret. You’ll get a new phone (even it’s kinda absurd) and you’ll never want to change it for another. That’s the phone I have liked.
Thx for the comparison
I haven't tried Lollipop because there is nothing wrong with KitKat (+ROOT!) and there is nothing about Lollipop that I really need, it's mostly just eye-candy imho. Oh yes there is one small thing: The sparkly unlock animation in KK is the worst, haven't found a way to get rid of it yet... (except using a 3rd party lockscreen - which is something I'm not willing to do because I love my lockscreen widgets, any suggestions?)
If you miss the Lollipop stuff here's some suggestions:
-NiLS(app): Gives you customizable lockscreen notifications like Lollipop with any lockscreen
-Nova Launcher(app): Just got a huge Lollipop update, the average person won't know the difference to lollipop when looking at the launcher
-Install Lollipop theme to change nav-bar icons (or use xposed or any other method)
-Sony is pretty amazing with app updates, so all the independent apps like Music are Material Design anyway
Cheers
Well. The problem with multitasking happens on all Xperia Z3 phones with Sony´s Lollipop (Yes, I confirmed it after test with 5 different Xperia Z3 phones from friends and family).
After I get frustrated with this problem, I also think in change the phone for an iPhone, but lol, iPhone have similar problems with browsers that can´t keep various tabs opened and ends refreshing all tabs, and other similar multitasking problems because of limited ram. I maybe change my Z3 for an Samsung Galaxy S6 Edge in a month (Or when the Galaxy S6 gets Android 5.1 update) because the camera of the Z3 is very bad in quality for me, but until then, I found a "fix" for the multitasking problem:
I finally "fixed" it. ¿How?: Simple, I just installed Cyanogenmod 12.1 in my phone, and it is just... just, very beatiful in multitasking. I can have a loooot of apps opened and get back to one app after a day and they are still opened, it´s is what I ever expected from a phone like Xperia Z3, is amazing. It is because Cyanogenmod is always updated and have all the latest fixes and their own fixes also. I heard that they have fixed more than 51 memory leaks (included the critical ones) in his 12.1 version. Also I get in love with Cyanogenmod extra features.
Yes, I lose all DRM protected features from camera and also PS4 Remote, but meh, camera sucks anyway in stock firmware, and is only a little worse in Cyanogenmod. Just to be careful I backed up my TA partition before unlock my bootloader and go into cyanogenmod.
Hope this helps to all guys that have lollipop, and need a true multitasking on his Xperia Z3 or Z3 Compact.
Aside from multitasking Lollipop seems still very beta on xperia to me. Mind u I own the Smartphone for only 3 days, but the amount of times it made me go nuts, not even my evo 3d managed over 3 years. Phone ran really hot and sort of slugish on lp, but waht reall drove me crazy was Bluetooth Audio... It made my whole phone crash after starting to crackle on my soundwaver (bluetooth speaker).... It wouldnt even play over pc... Back to kitkst and all is fine and dandy. I can actually feel i run a newer handset than before (evo 3D). Ill probably switch to CM some timecdown the road, when lp is fully working.
The stock lollipop build is beta version at best. The debloated lollipop build found here on XDA is beyond acceptable, almost good. The stock kitkat build, though, still has the upper hand. I reverted back today to an old backup and there's no match between the debloated lollipop and the stock kitkat. Stock kitkat wins hands down.
For some balance ive no such issues with lollipop albeit i agree there isnt much of an incentive to upgrade from kitkat. I dont use chrome though. Chrome uses a scary lot of memory. (i use firefox)
Cm12 uses less memory than stock sony roms so that leaves more to chrome, which explains that i guess.
My only complaint is few UI elements that are not very material, you know.
I don´t use Chrome too, I use Cm Browser that dont use a lot of Ram too...
The problem is not how much Ram uses the system, the problem is that Stock Sony in 5.0.2 have a Bad Memory Management and still have Memory Leaks (Except the crititcal ones that are already fixed in Sony Stock Lollipop Firm).
In CM 12.1 a loot of those memory leaks are already fixed, so that also explains why Cyanogenmod works a lot better with multitasking and can keep a lot of apps without close.
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Thx for the comparison
I haven't tried Lollipop because there is nothing wrong with KitKat (+ROOT!) and there is nothing about Lollipop that I really need, it's mostly just eye-candy imho. Oh yes there is one small thing: The sparkly unlock animation in KK is the worst, haven't found a way to get rid of it yet... (except using a 3rd party lockscreen - which is something I'm not willing to do because I love my lockscreen widgets, any suggestions?)
If you miss the Lollipop stuff here's some suggestions:
-NiLS(app): Gives you customizable lockscreen notifications like Lollipop with any lockscreen
-Nova Launcher(app): Just got a huge Lollipop update, the average person won't know the difference to lollipop when looking at the launcher
-Install Lollipop theme to change nav-bar icons (or use xposed or any other method)
-Sony is pretty amazing with app updates, so all the independent apps like Music are Material Design anyway
Cheers
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Thanks for the apps. I'm happy not to be the only one to have made this step!
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Well. The problem with multitasking happens on all Xperia Z3 phones with Sony´s Lollipop (Yes, I confirmed it after test with 5 different Xperia Z3 phones from friends and family).
After I get frustrated with this problem, I also think in change the phone for an iPhone, but lol, iPhone have similar problems with browsers that can´t keep various tabs opened and ends refreshing all tabs, and other similar multitasking problems because of limited ram. I maybe change my Z3 for an Samsung Galaxy S6 Edge in a month (Or when the Galaxy S6 gets Android 5.1 update) because the camera of the Z3 is very bad in quality for me, but until then, I found a "fix" for the multitasking problem:
I finally "fixed" it. ¿How?: Simple, I just installed Cyanogenmod 12.1 in my phone, and it is just... just, very beatiful in multitasking. I can have a loooot of apps opened and get back to one app after a day and they are still opened, it´s is what I ever expected from a phone like Xperia Z3, is amazing. It is because Cyanogenmod is always updated and have all the latest fixes and their own fixes also. I heard that they have fixed more than 51 memory leaks (included the critical ones) in his 12.1 version. Also I get in love with Cyanogenmod extra features.
Yes, I lose all DRM protected features from camera and also PS4 Remote, but meh, camera sucks anyway in stock firmware, and is only a little worse in Cyanogenmod. Just to be careful I backed up my TA partition before unlock my bootloader and go into cyanogenmod.
Hope this helps to all guys that have lollipop, and need a true multitasking on his Xperia Z3 or Z3 Compact.
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CM12.1 alternative is good to know then. If I miss L too much, I guess I'll give a try to CM.
clouds5 said:
Thx for the comparison
I haven't tried Lollipop because there is nothing wrong with KitKat (+ROOT!) and there is nothing about Lollipop that I really need, it's mostly just eye-candy imho. Oh yes there is one small thing: The sparkly unlock animation in KK is the worst, haven't found a way to get rid of it yet... (except using a 3rd party lockscreen - which is something I'm not willing to do because I love my lockscreen widgets, any suggestions?)
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Xposed Installer + Xperia Xposed should make you happy.
I see lollipop better than kitkat, phone run faster and smoother. Good update
Son Lam said:
I see lollipop better than kitkat, phone run faster and smoother. Good update
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Yes, is smoother, but we are talking about the multitasking that is not so good as it have to be...
KitKat has much more battery time than lollipop.
What do yolu think
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KitKat has much more battery time than lollipop.
What do yolu think
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I think that it's a wrong statement. The same power usage curves and same percentage at the end of the day for me.
However, you might be using apps that don't behave well on LP.
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I think that it's a wrong statement. The same power usage curves and same percentage at the end of the day for me.
However, you might be using apps that don't behave well on LP.
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that was my observation.
KK were amazing for my needs (good battery, smooth).
Lollipop looks just the same.
I always disable animations and whatnot, so I'm kind of an odd user.
to me LLP is good except the quick toggle and sound profile
i need to swipe twice for quick toggle and to swipe twice to close the quick toggle.
using volume button for sound profile annoys me as when i wanna silent my phone while plating music can't be done
multitasking so far is good for me
battery life is the same and in fact idle time is better in LLP
most of the apps improve smoothness in LLP except a few
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Could you elaborate on that
I have tried to like Lollipop, but the annoyances i really have, is the swipe down quick menu, prefer the kitkat one, and i really dislike, the user icon on the Lockscreen status bar, At the moment, i have reverted back to kitkat, but would love to give lollipop more time, but after a day, i alway's revert back.
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Could you elaborate on that
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You wanted to get rid of the "sparkly unlock animation" of your Z3 Compact, right?
Do you want the classic Android locker instead?
The original Xperia unlock:
http://i.imgur.com/umsERNx.png
Install Xperia Xposed then this:
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(reboot)
You activate this:
http://i.imgur.com/92fLyDf.png
And you get this:
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1) Volume controls, seriously google? what are you smoking? Why is it way more difficult to change my ringer volume then it needs to be? why do I need to change media volume if I'm not actually listening to media? all they had to do is allow the user to decide what volume to adjust via hardware keys in the sound settings...
2) Much more professional UI, if I wanted an iPhone I would buy and iPhone, Google might as well called this update "Apple Pie". I got a clue for you google, Bring back KitKat design in material and include ticker notifications in your next major revision. Hardly anyone complained about UI's in ICS, Jellybean and KitKat. You guys did a great job until you decided it was time to copy Apple in 5.0.
3) Superior notification/quick with sub-menus for Bluetooth and WIFI. Why was this removed? This isn't quite as dumb as scrapping ticker notifications for heads up to copy Crapple but it's definitely pretty damn close.
4) Split screen mode is a completely seamless experience on Oreo, it's complete trash on Pie unless you run an adb command to remove the Pixel launcher which I bet 60% out of the 75% who updated won't even know about.
5) No need to worry about an OTA rolling and screwing things up. This does happen but it's a very minor reason why I prefer being on the final release of Oreo.
6) Recent's is far superior on Oreo (Although you can still revert or Oreo recent's by removing Google Launcher but the majority of consumers do not know this)
7) Pie is not used by many people at all, in fact the number of total android devices running Pie is less then 0.1% of android devices.-We are essentially beta testers even after the developer previews.... Oreo however is up to nearly 20% distribution. This means way more application support on 8.x
8) Battery life using Franco's Naptime app for aggressive doze gives me insane battery life, Adaptive battery is pretty useless when you use such a powerful app like this one. Seriously... Doze is so powerful, why not just add some profiles to the OS so even the most basic of users can tweak it (or hell, add it to developer settings)... AI is not the answer. Simple settings to config when your device goes into doze mode is... it's your most powerful battery saving feature in Android. Use it....
9) Adaptive brightness is reliable on Oreo & Adaptive brightness is awful on Pie, AI can't seem to get it right. Surprise surprise.
10) My clock is where it has been for the past 7 years on Android phones, this notch thing just needs to die. Google needs to add a boolean value in SystemUI for the left clock and assign it a true value for phones with a notch, and false with a phone with no notch. How is this rocket science? or better yet! allow the user to configure it, haven't you guys realized by now that the center clock mod is super popular among your enthusiasts? I personally don't use it but it's been a very popular mod for half a decade here on XDA and you know people will use it so why not just add it? Oh wait, you guys needed to add a feature to show what music is playing in Wal-mart on the lockscreen. Cool, I guess... the feature is so bad its off by default lol.
Now before you guys come in here bringing up security bulletin updates, it's a fair point but I would just like to say that no security update will save you from being a noob, don't download shady apps, don't connect to unsecured public wifi networks, don't browse shady websites and don't click on everything you see. Much like a PC, you can get the latest Windows updates and anti-virus definitions but if your foolish and browse around unsafe and shady websites and installing shady .exe's your going to get yourself in to trouble and no security update will save you. The best security for Android is your brain.
I'm back to loving my Pixel 2!
Danvdh said:
1) Volume controls, seriously google? what are you smoking? Why is it way more difficult to change my ringer volume then it needs to be? why do I need to change media volume if I'm not actually listening to media?
2) Much more professional UI, if I wanted an iPhone I would buy and iPhone, Google might as well called this update "Apple Pie"
3)Much better notification/quick toggles pull down with sub-menus for bluetooth and wifi. Why did Google remove this?
4) Split screen mode is usable again! videos actually play!
5) No need to worry about an OTA rolling and screwing things up, I like the piece of mind that my phone will stay on the final Oreo update until I feel Pie is stable enough (9.1?)
6) Multitasking is faster (Although it can be sorted by removing Google Launcher but the majority of consumers do not know this)
7) Pie is not used by many people at all, in fact the number of total android devices running Pie is less then 0.1% of android devices Source: https://developer.android.com/about/dashboards/ - We are essentially beta testers even after the developer previews.... Oreo however is up to nearly 20% distribution.
8) Battery life using Franco's Naptime app for aggressive doze gives me insane battery life, Adaptive battery is pretty useless when you use such a powerful app like this one.
9) Adaptive brightness is awful on Pie
10) My clock is where it has been for the past 7 years on Android phones, this notch thing just needs to die. Google needs to add a boolean value in systemUI for the left clock and assign it a true value for phones with a notch, and false with a phone with no notch. Seriously, do this!!!
Now before you guys come in here bringing up security bulletin updates, it's a fair point but I would just like to say that no security update will save you from being a noob, don't download shady apps, don't connect to unsecured public wifi networks, don't browse shady websites and don't click on everything you see. Much like a PC, you can get the latest Windows updates and anti-virus definitions but if your foolish and browse around unsafe and shady websites and installing shady .exe's your going to get yourself in to trouble and no security update will save you. The best security for Android is your brain.
I'm back to loving my Pixel 2!
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I get it.
I flashed Pie the other day for the first time but I too am tempted to go back. I miss having my Smartbar navigation mods. The circular icons for quick toggles aren't growing on me. A couple of apps don't work that I used to use.
Performance and battery life is grewt, but the upgrade isn't significant enough for me to stay.... I'm tempted to go back!
I want Oreo back too, but the version I got "unlocked" turned out to be a Verizon variant and my attempt to OTA rollback failed.
But really guys, new things and changes are parts of life, why complaining? You don't want new updates? Buy a Samsung non flagship phone and stay with Oreo forever.
well... thought about finally manually updating to pie today.... now, not so much. I do agree with the notch.... wtf
I've tried Pie, and admittedly there are some good elements, however Google gives us no choices. How hard would it be to have a clock placement setting? How hard would it be to have a full dark theme? How hard would it be to offer a choice on dual window layout? Oreo was tried and true and it feels like many things were changed just for the sake of change. Apparently the recent apps menu can even be reverted deleting files via ADB so why not give people choices? I love the speed and fluidity of stock Android, but must say Samsung, LG, and custom ROMs have an advantage on getting things exactly how you want them. Perhaps Android 10 will finally give users choices again.
The fact that Google plays games with what versions of the Pixel 2 XL can be bootloader unlocked is very disappointing as well. There should be a clearly identified way to tell other than some IMEI checker. I'd love to OTA back to Oreo, but can't and am stuck with a UI I can do nothing to tweak. My only option is deal with it or sell this phone.
Xposed and well duh!
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Danvdh said:
1) Volume controls, seriously google? what are you smoking? Why is it way more difficult to change my ringer volume then it needs to be? why do I need to change media volume if I'm not actually listening to media?
2) Much more professional UI, if I wanted an iPhone I would buy and iPhone, Google might as well called this update "Apple Pie"
3)Much better notification/quick toggles pull down with sub-menus for bluetooth and wifi. Why did Google remove this?
4) Split screen mode is usable again! videos actually play!
5) No need to worry about an OTA rolling and screwing things up, I like the piece of mind that my phone will stay on the final Oreo update until I feel Pie is stable enough (9.1?)
6) Multitasking is faster (Although it can be sorted by removing Google Launcher but the majority of consumers do not know this)
7) Pie is not used by many people at all, in fact the number of total android devices running Pie is less then 0.1% of android devices Source: https://developer.android.com/about/dashboards/ - We are essentially beta testers even after the developer previews.... Oreo however is up to nearly 20% distribution. This means way more application support on 8.x
8) Battery life using Franco's Naptime app for aggressive doze gives me insane battery life, Adaptive battery is pretty useless when you use such a powerful app like this one.
9) Adaptive brightness is awful on Pie
10) My clock is where it has been for the past 7 years on Android phones, this notch thing just needs to die. Google needs to add a boolean value in systemUI for the left clock and assign it a true value for phones with a notch, and false with a phone with no notch. Seriously, do this!!!
Now before you guys come in here bringing up security bulletin updates, it's a fair point but I would just like to say that no security update will save you from being a noob, don't download shady apps, don't connect to unsecured public wifi networks, don't browse shady websites and don't click on everything you see. Much like a PC, you can get the latest Windows updates and anti-virus definitions but if your foolish and browse around unsafe and shady websites and installing shady .exe's your going to get yourself in to trouble and no security update will save you. The best security for Android is your brain.
I'm back to loving my Pixel 2!
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How did you go back to Oreo? what is a safe way to do it? is side load of Oreo firmware for my Canadian brand will do it?
Thanks - Itzik
I am still on Oreo with my pixel and wont go to Pie anytime soon! I need to root oreo and rock it now!
oneandroidnut said:
I am still on Oreo with my pixel and wont go to Pie anytime soon! I need to root oreo and rock it now!
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You can root Pie as well. However, if you use xposed, then don't :good:
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You can root Pie as well. However, if you use xposed, then don't :good:
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i would use xposed so no pie for me lol
itzik_man said:
How did you go back to Oreo? what is a safe way to do it? is side load of Oreo firmware for my Canadian brand will do it?
Thanks - Itzik
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I did a full data wipe in TWRP, flashed the latest 8.1 rom with deuces script and then once back to 8.1 flashed Resurrection Remix custom rom etc
Pie looks nothing like iOS to me
I'm also tempted to go back to Oreo. I don't like many of Googles changes with Pie and that they are following apple in many things.
Kimbo82 said:
I'm also tempted to go back to Oreo. I don't like many of Googles changes with Pie and that they are following apple in many things.
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its a well oiled machine. I don't regret it for a second.
just got my pixel2xl come with 8.1
after my OG Pixel got pie, and it's feels not right, and i READ this, i decided to not update my pixel2xl
everything you said is true.
Having the Verizon Pixel 2 XL, I was unable to roll back. My options were to sell it and get a Google version or trade it for an LG V35 ThinQ and end up ahead. I went for the V35 and to be honest, I'm much happier with it. LG really improved the display over the Pixel 2 XL. The Snapdragon 845 is noticeably faster, 6 GB RAM offsets any efficiency difference. The headphone jack and MicroSD card support are a huge plus. Best of all, using LG themes and Substratum, I was able to get a clean dark theme without root.
I had a good run with the Pixel 2 XL on Oreo but it was time to move on. Yes, I realize that the V35 will get Pie eventually, but the framework for themes and customization is already there.
Over 75% of Pixel users are on Android Pie — why not more?
https://www.androidpolice.com/2018/10/15/75-percent-pixel-users-android-pie/
Because of people like you! Just jokes. [emoji4]
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just bought pixel 2 xl and this october security update is really ****ty, even zooming photos and just panning in photos app gives jitters. can i revert back to september or august security update without unlocking the bootloader or rooting?
ashish7adlakha said:
just bought pixel 2 xl and this october security update is really ****ty, even zooming photos and just panning in photos app gives jitters. can i revert back to september or august security update without unlocking the bootloader or rooting?
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Nope. Bootloader needs to be unlocked. You don't need to be rooted.
When I bought this phone two weeks ago I was excited at the prospect of rooting it so that I could install my "goto" root apps.
I pondered it for several days and was about to root yet another device and I changed my mind. I find I am enjoying Oreo just the way it is and for me this is a nice change. I tend to root/jailbreak everything immediately. In the end flashing rom updates and fixes actually started to give me anxiety. I found myself dreading updates and it was becoming a real chore and wasn't fun anymore.
Anyone else enjoy this phone without tinkering with or modifying it?
Yep same here, been having this from last year and half, the verizon variant.. Though rooting this is pain and all but just like you I was too. Much into rooting and flashing.
This phone as it is, is awesome enough.
But i liked nougot more
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It is an amazing device. The only reason I rooted it was to remove the screen retention with a custom kernel and ckal support. :good:
One thing, is there any way to increase refresh rate without rooting? Just thought about this for some reason.
With Oreo I do not feel the need for root anymore.
On Nougat I used root for KCAL, build.prop mods for 16bit.pcm.offloading & zero shutter lag and also mods for stereo speakers & no throttle.
But I've yet to come across any burn in on Oreo, maybe they fixed it by recalculating the default KCAL values?
They've also fixed the issue of 44.1Khz audio being output as 48Khz through the DAC.
Could also be placebo but I find the DAC to perform better now on Oreo.
I'd love to have zero shutter lag & stereo speakers but that's just a mild annoyance hardly anything to worry about.
The weird thing is that my performance have seeming increased going to Oreo from having the performance mods on Nougat.
The left picture is on Nougat and the other one on Oreo.
Now that I think about it, silent camera would be nice for the default camera. If the setting is there I can't find it. Thanks for the side by side. Interesting.
Yeah, I don't need to root this thing either. I have had this almost a year now. Upgrade to Oreo, and now happier then ever.
May be in future once we Pie ROM with second screen feature, I will think about it.
I used to have a Samsung Note 5, and rooted and flash plenty of times. But, it was a pain to keep up with updates. I learned my lesson to not root Android.
DelphinusMinor said:
Now that I think about it, silent camera would be nice for the default camera. If the setting is there I can't find it. Thanks for the side by side. Interesting.
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I use mute camera and it works well. Still on N though
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ted.park.mutecamera
Not rooted as my variant H990DS does not qualifiy for bootloader unlock provided by LG
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DelphinusMinor said:
In the end flashing rom updates and fixes actually started to give me anxiety. I found myself dreading updates and it was becoming a real chore and wasn't fun anymore.
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I imagine this is how most get out of the rooting game.
There has to be a serious need to do so and not just for the sake of it.
Though i still believe unless you gain admin rights over your device you do not own it.
One Twelve said:
I use mute camera and it works well. Still on N though
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ted.park.mutecamera
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Thank you. I am going to check this and a few others out.
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First time not rooting in about 10 years, running Oreo and so far everything is good (battery life, performance, features). I haven't even re-installed Nova Launcher, the home with app drawer has been good enough.
The one thing I'm missing is forcing it to 3g/CDMA since I'm on Verizon and where we live in Colorado, there is more and stronger 3g towers than LTE so I've always saved a lot of battery by locking to CDMA and not hunting/swapping for LTE towers. I'm mostly at home so I've got wifi for any real data needs. So other than that one thing, I haven't had a real need to root. So far...
B_in_Denver said:
First time not rooting in about 10 years, running Oreo and so far everything is good (battery life, performance, features). I haven't even re-installed Nova Launcher, the home with app drawer has been good enough.
The one thing I'm missing is forcing it to 3g/CDMA since I'm on Verizon and where we live in Colorado, there is more and stronger 3g towers than LTE so I've always saved a lot of battery by locking to CDMA and not hunting/swapping for LTE towers. I'm mostly at home so I've got wifi for any real data needs. So other than that one thing, I haven't had a real need to root. So far...
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If you have your msl you can force 3g or you can install Xposed and I think there's a module for that. Inteli3g
This is the first time I've rooted a phone for a while, due to the screen retention issue. Else, stock or AOSP unrooted is enough considering most features are available these days
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If you have your msl you can force 3g or you can install Xposed and I think there's a module for that. Inteli3g
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Thanks for replying, I've been trying to get into the field service menu for the last couple of days but will probably have to call VZW and try to convince them to give it to me.
Re: Xposed, since that requires root, that was the one reason I miss having root (Xposed to be able to force 3g, that's how I did it on my old rooted phones).
3mL said:
With Oreo I do not feel the need for root anymore.
On Nougat I used root for KCAL, build.prop mods for 16bit.pcm.offloading & zero shutter lag and also mods for stereo speakers & no throttle.
But I've yet to come across any burn in on Oreo, maybe they fixed it by recalculating the default KCAL values?
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That wasn't my experience with Oreo on my H918. Perhaps I need to try it again. As I recall, I still had screen retention issues, which is what ultimately led me to rooting my phone to use KCAL. I would really like for this phone to NOT be rooted.
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That wasn't my experience with Oreo on my H918. Perhaps I need to try it again. As I recall, I still had screen retention issues, which is what ultimately led me to rooting my phone to use KCAL. I would really like for this phone to NOT be rooted.
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Close to two months after my quoted message I can tell you that my phone do indeed suffer from screen retention. The first month i.e up to sometime in February I did not notice any screen retention - but since having sold my computer and using my phone for much more it has started to reveal itself.
It's only visible in one app, and that's Discord with its dark gray background and the 'retention' is that of the keyboard close to the edge of the screen.
Considering the circumstance around my screen retention, that for now, my V20 is my main 'machine'. I'm not that bothered by it, I have a PC coming in next week - and if I remember I'll tune in some weeks after it has arrived and update whether or not it's gone(with decreased usage).
For me I had had enough with screen burn and rooted this phone in last December.
3mL said:
Close to two months after my quoted message I can tell you that my phone do indeed suffer from screen retention. The first month i.e up to sometime in February I did not notice any screen retention - but since having sold my computer and using my phone for much more it has started to reveal itself.
It's only visible in one app, and that's Discord with its dark gray background and the 'retention' is that of the keyboard close to the edge of the screen.
Considering the circumstance around my screen retention, that for now, my V20 is my main 'machine'. I'm not that bothered by it, I have a PC coming in next week - and if I remember I'll tune in some weeks after it has arrived and update whether or not it's gone(with decreased usage).
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Yeah, I realized I dug up an old post. Sorry about that.
I may have to try running my phone in a stock form to see how bad it really is. I'm running into some weird issues with, presumably with Magisk, and I want to unroot my phone. The only real reason I can't is because of the screen retention issue.
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Yeah, I realized I dug up an old post. Sorry about that.
I may have to try running my phone in a stock form to see how bad it really is. I'm running into some weird issues with, presumably with Magisk, and I want to unroot my phone. The only real reason I can't is because of the screen retention issue.
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Oh it's no problem, sorry if my post came off as offensive.
It is really not bad at all, and I might elaborate om the issue that it's only really beginning to show later in the day.
3mL said:
Oh it's no problem, sorry if my post came off as offensive.
It is really not bad at all, and I might elaborate om the issue that it's only really beginning to show later in the day.
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See, mine will show retention minutes after being booted. For example, after a fresh install of a ROM, be it LOS or Stock, I'll start noticing ghosting before I can get into the color settings or Kernel Adiutor to make the adjustments... that's just from the time in TWRP and the booting. I guess everyone's phone it a little different.