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hi all
i whas thinking since oure blackstone is a ppc is it possible to buy bigger ram for the device just like a normal desktop/laptop
or a new proccesor
because with every rom the total ram is the same and it has to be in there buy some sort of hardware and hardware is changeable
want to know youre 2 cents about it before i open up my blackstone
best regards
miniterror
miniterror said:
hi all
i whas thinking since oure blackstone is a ppc is it possible to buy bigger ram for the device just like a normal desktop/laptop
or a new proccesor
because with every rom the total ram is the same and it has to be in there buy some sort of hardware and hardware is changeable
want to know youre 2 cents about it before i open up my blackstone
best regards
miniterror
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I don't think it's possible to add more RAM to this device.
If it were we'd all be doing it
Unless I am totally mistaken.
Most of the components in small devices like mobile phones are soldered onto the mainboard. Even if they weren't you'd have a tough time finding the right model RAM to not only be compatible logically but also physically.
You could upgrade the RAM in Dell Axim X50v PDAs - although it had to be sent off, it wasn't something you could do at home. I think they just soldered an extra chip on top of the existing one or something. They are ancient now, and things have gotten much smaller and more complicated since then so probably not possible.
Nice thought, though.
Haven't heard of anything like this being available for the HD
the soldering on the mainboard isnt the problem i have a computerman how fixes my dead motherboard of my desktop and laptops
i have seen him soldering a lot of things i would never think off
foto camares and wii's playstations xbox
so that i aint worried about
and i have a insurance on my phone
ive it fails i put the phone under water and say its drowned and i get a new one
and some people can come to verry rare parts ive i find it
and also someone knows how to remove the void sticker on a nice way so i can put it back on it
apart from the bothersome unsoldering of smd chips
there is the issue with it most likely requiring a custom made
rom to for the rom to include the higher mem in it's memoryMap
and of cause if the cpu is replaced with another type it would
require a new driver set too
the soldering on the mainboard isnt the problem i have a computerman how fixes my dead motherboard of my desktop
Speaking of motherboards. Know where I could pick one up for blackstone?
Apart from finding a suitable physical-logical compatible hardware, the problem is drivers, as these are not documented by HTC and there is no DDK or anything. Just modding drivers to enable TV-out (for hardware that already exists) has not been possible yet... So adding a new hw...
I want to start a thread for hardware mods because of two compelling ideas that have arisen:
1) Swapping in the Super LCD of the HD7S into the HD2. Would it be possible to swap this improved screen into an HD2? I love the fact that I can dual boot android and WP7 in HD2 but that device really NEEDS a better screen. From what I can tell, the previous gen HD7 used the same hardware design as the HD2 including the exact same screen, so the HD7S seems like they just swapped in a better display. There are some guides on youtube that show how to replace the HD2 screen, so a modification like this isn't impossible but pretty difficult. Any comments?
2) NFC into the HD2. This didn't seem like a neccessary feature at first, but a post on engadget about using wireless NFC for android devices seems like a compelling option. I am not too sure about this mod though, don't know how hard it would be. I know somebody successfully created a wireless charging system for the Evo (I think) but an NFC system is a completely different ball game.
Post any thoughts or comments on these mods and propose your own mods as well. For the sake of intelligence try not to post mods without having some backup in terms of feasibility of the modification. What I mean is don't say stuff like "Lets put in a slide out keyboard, an SLR camera on the device and add playstation control buttons". Unless of course you legitimately found a way to do such a monstrous mod!!!! =P.
Well what you propose with the changing of the screen would be awesome, I have to say it would be one hell of an accomplishment. But you not only would have the actual physical hardware to contend with, but you have to ask is all other needed components in the HD2 compatible to work with the proposed adopted screen. Another thing will the actual size of the screen and digitizer for the HD7S as far as the thickness of them together. The questions and obstacles would no doubt be numerous if not to many to overcome or to large to overcome.
Then you have the fact that even if you did succeed in getting the screen installed you would have to modify the IPL of the bootloader to even be abale to use it. Plus probably a whole slew of other software related things would have to be modded. But this is XDA after all
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really cant see the point, the HD2 screen is already very good, well mine is anyway. That being said though I had a new screen fitted by HTC about a month ago and I am sure it is better than the original one.
hmm.
it won't be necessary to build the native NFC to HD2... they are coming with NFC SD cards, it will be pretty easy for us
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it won't be necessary to build the native NFC to HD2... they are coming with NFC SD cards, it will be pretty easy for us
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and nfc sims
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/11/16/nfc_sim_again/
Well about screen..
U may have measured the width and height. And may be same. But what about depth? And what about position of the flux cable?
Thats a hardware thing.what about software? And the display driver section? More/ less volts to backlight leds, display ram and the display itself? Any way give a try..
About nfc.. yap we got the software in every android os for it. Coz all or most of them are ports from phones having nfc( i think so)
But from the hardwre view.. its about making a radio module whith accelerometer support.. and its should be tiniy enough to put into the phone.. so its a realy hard thing..
The wireless charging dock is a simple one.. connecting both through the old technology.. mutual induction. Old wine in new bottle.+ unwanted losses too.+ dustortion to sensitive devices. Well that might be helpfull if u hav a 100% sealed device( water,dust... etc. Proof) and with out connectors which opens the inside world to the outside world!!! For charging a device like dat u can use wireless electricity. Or what else it may be usefull? Its a pure analog circuit. Every dude with a little electronics knowledge can rip a normal stepdown transformer and can make it.
But nfc is not that.. u may get the point..
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I have been going through the forums for quite some time, and while I am not sure if this should go in Q & A or in development I will post it here for now.
Since the Google Nexus 7's storage is based on just flash memory, would it be possible to take a higher size of flash memory, lets say 64 gb's, and solder it onto the Nexus 7's motherboard where the original flash memory is. Obviously taking off the original flash memory that is there currently.
If this is possible how hard would it be, I know that some soldering would be involved, and with how small it is could be a lil tedious, but would this require additional software/kernal development or anything else?
Any additional knowledge into this would be great. Thank you.
Not recommended to do it at all, and based on my limited understanding of Electronic circuits and the manufacturing processes that go into them, way too risky.
Unless you have experience doing it before and they have been successful, then you can take a shot at it.
But in my opinion its way too risky
It's possible, but it'd be pretty damn difficult to do so.
hi there
just wanna know if it is possible or not to upgrade smartphone hardware like in desktop computer... etc ?
thx devs
With the exception of Project Ara, no. The reason for this is because, as smartphones are designed to be light on space, and extremely efficient, almost all of the components are directly soldered to the motherboard, and are so small that they're almost transparent when you look at them from the side. Therefore, until modular phones are available, this is both impossible and impractical.
Yes it actually is,but many people say its not.If you have phone like for example galaxy s 3 and yoy whant to have more ram you can find out ram fot galaxy s 4 and change it.It has the same size but im not sure is any phone service doing that.U can upgrade normal memory with SD card,if you still whant more you can buy bigger SD card.I think that noone needs SD bigger than 8gb
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Yes it actually is,but many people say its not.If you have phone like for example galaxy s 3 and yoy whant to have more ram you can find out ram fot galaxy s 4 and change it.It has the same size but im not sure is any phone service doing that.
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So tell me more, I'm a little skeptical about what you said...
Knowing that the RAM is embedded in the same chip as the CPU and GPU (SoC) (Exynos 4412 4 on SGS3 and Exynos 5410 on SGS4). You are saying that the consumer or a repair shop can remove the 4412 from a his SGS3 and replace it with a 5410? Even if both chips aren't the same architecture? Are they soldered to the motherboard?
Would love to see some references...
U can upgrade normal memory with SD card,if you still whant more you can buy bigger SD card.I think that noone needs SD bigger than 8gb
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Yeah obviously, not really an upgrade to the phone memory itself but more like adding on some parallel memory. And not all phones can use sd cards, even some high end phones can't.
Parallel memory isnt possible to add right now,maby it ll be possible for few years but not now :/ That what i said for RAM cant really help you.I said its possible to change ram but not like in home.There are some companies making phones with material you whant (u tell them how much ram and internal nemory you whant,soo its the same phone with changed ram memory) there are some Chinese companies what are doing that i hope you can understand what i was trying to say... Andswer for your first question is No you cant change ram and int mem by your self tell me what ever you whant about hardware and ...other rooting,unbricking things...
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so maybe forget about project ara as this phone will not have the design like iPhones... nexus phones with that gorgeous design... etc
Software UPGRADE
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hi there
just wanna know if it is possible or not to upgrade smartphone hardware like in desktop computer... etc ?
thx devs
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My friend i tore up over a dozen android devices in last 6 months . To my suprise no two devices are using anything compatible with another. cleaning up bloatware and excess junk files along with some system tuning and i think youll be Suprised at what these devices can actually do and perform on a 15$ single core 4.0 ics device you can listen to music while downloading more while you browse the web and screen record it all at the same time. unless your trying to do serious graphical gaming on your phone while multitasking i think your good with anything 4. and up. System Tuner Pro rom toolbox pro check it out and enjoy my friend sd read speed has been default 128kb/s on my devices (a must change) Benchmark app hey
Android device are often using SoC solutions. (SoC: System on a Chip)
That means the whole system, CPU, GPU, RAM, wireless networks, bluetooth, Storage, I/O, GPS, Sensors, etc... are all integrated into one single chip. It is that what makes smartphones so efficient in power consumption and size.
There are other support-chips around the main SoC chip, but these usually handle lesser functions such as extra storage space, USB on the Go functionality etc...
Read on: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_on_a_chip
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Android device are often using SoC solutions. (SoC: System on a Chip)
That means the whole system, CPU, GPU, RAM, wireless networks, bluetooth, Storage, I/O, GPS, Sensors, etc... are all integrated into one single chip. It is that what makes smartphones so efficient in power consumption and size.
There are other support-chips around the main SoC chip, but these usually handle lesser functions such as extra storage space, USB on the Go functionality etc...
Read on: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_on_a_chip
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HI,
so, maybe is it possible to install a more powerfull camera module on a device like Htc One S?
For exapmle a front camera (from HTC One Mini) of 2Mpx instead of 0,3mpx camera of Htc One S.
Must I port libraries and Api to make it work? Or is it impossible?
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HI,
so, maybe is it possible to install a more powerfull camera module on a device like Htc One S?
For exapmle a front camera (from HTC One Mini) of 2Mpx instead of 0,3mpx camera of Htc One S.
Must I port libraries and Api to make it work? Or is it impossible?
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Technically it is possible. But practically "doable" I'm not so sure of.
Most android-devices happen to use a common "camera interface" for the camera hardware-module.
But the layout, form factor, connector placement etc can be very different between the various Android models out there.
One cannot simply take a camera module from one model, and fit it inside another. Just the connector itself alone can vary heavily between models, not to mention the "flat flex cable" arrangement.
These reasons alone make it very hard to fit one camera module inside another device.
But let's pretend that one can find a camera module that does fit perfectly inside the phone in question, or that one is skilled enough to perform the modifications needed:
The Linux Kernel module.
Yep. The linux kernel need something too. It's not all plug'n'play with embedded situations such as smartphones. These devices aren't built for plug'n'play in mind. They are statically built. Once compiled, it's snug as a glove. Nothing more, nothing less.
But it's not all darkness around. Luckily the linux kernel is open source. Even when it comes to Android devices.
One can simply download the linux kernel source from the manufacturers web site, and import it to the Android Development Environment that one has prepared for this.
Next thing to fetch is the source code for the new camera module. This can be quite tricky, and is a show-stopper in many cases. Manufacturers often refuse to release these sources, and Android open source world end up with a "crippled state" for the module in question. Blame the hardware manufacturers for this.
But let's pretend that one have a camera module that happen to have its kernel driver "open source". Then one only need to download these sources, and patch them in.
Once the linux kernel has been patched, and the new camera module is available in the linux kernel configuration, one only need to enable it as a "module", and compile it.
Once compiled, one will end up with a "camera_module.ko".
This particular ko-file is what one need to transfer to the Android device in question, and tell Android init to load it.
Now... it should work... but it rarely does in real life. As you mention, there might be some special API and other stuff needed for the software in order to access the camera.
Once again: read the documentation for the camera module in question, and hope that the manufacturer of the camera module have used a commonly used API, and not a proprietary one.
That is enough of me babbling on about this. This is not supposed to be "absolute facts". These lines written are more meant as a general pointer of "what to expect if one tries".
Maybe someone else, more experienced in these matters, can shed some more light on this. I could be wrong.
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Technically it is possible. But practically "doable" I'm not so sure of.
Most android-devices happen to use a common "camera interface" for the camera hardware-module.
But the layout, form factor, connector placement etc can be very different between the various Android models out there.
One cannot simply take a camera module from one model, and fit it inside another. Just the connector itself alone can vary heavily between models, not to mention the "flat flex cable" arrangement.
These reasons alone make it very hard to fit one camera module inside another device.
But let's pretend that one can find a camera module that does fit perfectly inside the phone in question, or that one is skilled enough to perform the modifications needed:
The Linux Kernel module.
Yep. The linux kernel need something too. It's not all plug'n'play with embedded situations such as smartphones. These devices aren't built for plug'n'play in mind. They are statically built. Once compiled, it's snug as a glove. Nothing more, nothing less.
But it's not all darkness around. Luckily the linux kernel is open source. Even when it comes to Android devices.
One can simply download the linux kernel source from the manufacturers web site, and import it to the Android Development Environment that one has prepared for this.
Next thing to fetch is the source code for the new camera module. This can be quite tricky, and is a show-stopper in many cases. Manufacturers often refuse to release these sources, and Android open source world end up with a "crippled state" for the module in question. Blame the hardware manufacturers for this.
But let's pretend that one have a camera module that happen to have its kernel driver "open source". Then one only need to download these sources, and patch them in.
Once the linux kernel has been patched, and the new camera module is available in the linux kernel configuration, one only need to enable it as a "module", and compile it.
Once compiled, one will end up with a "camera_module.ko".
This particular ko-file is what one need to transfer to the Android device in question, and tell Android init to load it.
Now... it should work... but it rarely does in real life. As you mention, there might be some special API and other stuff needed for the software in order to access the camera.
Once again: read the documentation for the camera module in question, and hope that the manufacturer of the camera module have used a commonly used API, and not a proprietary one.
That is enough of me babbling on about this. This is not supposed to be "absolute facts". These lines written are more meant as a general pointer of "what to expect if one tries".
Maybe someone else, more experienced in these matters, can shed some more light on this. I could be wrong.
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Great Explanation! Thank You a lot! I think that is not in my capabilities to do that but.. maybe I'll try when I have some freetime
thank you
COMMUNITY IS ALL ABOUT SHARING, AND I HAVE SOME GREAT NEWS TO SHARE WITH MY FRIENDS HERE ON XDA!!
I've have a 32GB Nexus 9 LTE for almost 2 years now, and she's been great, but, as most folks here will understand, I WANTED MORE RAM!! I picked up a Pixel C a month ago, and decided it was time to give the RAM upgrade a shot. Since I have the Pixel, if the worst happened during the upgrade attempt it wouldn't be the end of the world.
WELL, IT WORKED!!
I am working on a video tutorial, but wanted to share the good news with everyone!!
While I wouldn't describe my N9 as "laggy", it most definitely had it's bottleneck issues, especially on RAM intensive tasks like Chrome w/ multiple tabs open. Luckily, the LPDDR3 module is not stacked on the SoC in a SoP configuration . . THANK GOD TOO!! Because 2GB of RAM on a CPU this beastly is like putting a 100mph governor on an Indy Car. It took me a while, but I was FINALLY able to snag a 32Gb (514Mb x x64) single module (That's 4GB BTW). It's not that I couldn't find the right module; what held me back was waiting for Samsung to release the single module 64Gb (8GB) 253-Ball VFBGA LPDDR3. The Tegra K1 supports up to 8GB of LPDDR3 or DDR3L, but since the Nexus 9's board is built with support for a single VFBGA RAM module, you only have support for one. I got impatient and went with a 4GB module. The module is 1866MHz, but it runs at 1600MHz, so I don't think the K1 supports higher than 1600MHz (800MHz x 2), but I could be wrong. I didn't wanna push my luck with such an invasive upgrade, so I didn't look into pushing it to its rated 1866MHz. Besides, the stock module is 1600MHz anyway, and that's plenty fast for what I'm using my N9 for. I know it supports DDR3L, but I didn't wanna create compatibility insanity, so I played it safe, sticking with the exact same module brand (Elpida/Micron), type (LPDDR3), speed (800MHz x 2), and package size (VFBGA 253-Ball), but with a higher density (512Mb x x64 = 32Gb, or, 4GB). After removing the stock module, and careful placement and reflow, I was kinda surprised when I turned it on and it just worked. Not that I expected a problem, but y'all know how it goes. :fingers-crossed:
Props to Nvidia for an extremely flexible SoC. :good:
*(I will put the module details below if anyone wants to do what I did and upgrade their N9's RAM)*
After the upgrade, I decided to address the Tegra's heat issues. Long ago, I deduced that the cooling solution was lacking, if even there at all. So while I had her opened up, I spread some MX-4 between the SoC and an extremely thin copper square which acts as a heat-sink. Then I used a teeny-tiny vapor chamber heat pipe that was originally attached to a VRM cooler on a busted SuperMicro server board. After welding the heat pipe onto the copper plate, I cut out a small hole in the back cover and connected the condensing side of the heat pipe to a small, flat flat-finned VRM heat-sink. The heat pipe is obnoxiously long, so I had to get kinda creative with the spacing. I did consider using a teeny-tiny fan, but that seemed like overkill lol, not to mention the reduction in battery life. I made a small vented cover, but there is a noticeable bump on the rear cover, but with my case on it, and the fact that it's almost always on a stand, it hasn't been an issue.
Now, with a REAL cooling solution in place, I was able to use flar2's overclocking options on his kernel via his EX Kernel Manager app. With the CPU at 2.5GHz (up from 2.3GHz stock), and the GPU at 984MHz (up from 852MHz stock), along with several other tweaks, she has been AMAZING ever since, with zero lag, zero random reboots, etc. With fsync disabled, I consistently score between 120,000 and 130,000 on Antutu, depending on governor settings. I couldn't really push her prior to the cooling solution without some major throttling, but those days are OVER!! I don't know why Google/HTC didn't at least use SOMETHING as a cooling solution. Even a small thermal dissipation pad and a little piece of vented copper would've been more than enough to keep the throttling at bay. Not Nvidia's fault, I'm assuming their specs call for a specific Tcase for proper functionality, and I guess they didn't push her all that hard in the testing phase.
I'm working on a video tutorial & step by step guide for the RAM upgrade and the cooling solution, so if that's something you'd wanna do to your N9 (and if you're good with micro repair, I absolutely think you should do it!), I should have it up on the N9 forum by mid-week.
* The module I replaced the stock 16Gb (2GB) with is made by Micron/Elpida. The product number is:
- MT52L512M64D4PQ-107 WT -
There is another module with a VERY SIMILAR product number, with the same specs, but different BGA mounting & ball count: MT52L512M64D4GN-107 WT. I actually made this mistake and assumed the module was VFBGA, but it's actually WFVGA (256-Ball), and the voltage loop-back logic pads are NOT compatible with the N9's VFBGA module pads. Just stay away from any module that ends in 'GN' and you'll be alright.
I'm highly anticipating your video and this is absolutely fantastic news! I have 2 questions for you however since I'll be a little new on this installation:
1. Was the RAM module that was made from Samsung released? If yes is there a way to order it? I highly believe that with 8gb of LPDDR3 this tablet has a huge potential for future proofing and will eliminate the need to buy a tablet for a long long time.
2. Are there any specific tools or equipment I need to buy in order to follow your installation?
I'm highly looking forward to your reply and thank you so much for the upcoming guide.
Following....
Looking forward for that video.
I'm quite excited!!
4/8G on a tablet!!!
When is that 8G chip coming out?
https://www.avnet.com/shop/us/p/mt5...5626301278?CMP=EMA_Octopart_inventoryfeed_VSE right? Where did you get yours ?
I seriously doubt that 8gb would bring anything more comparing with 4gb. I think the main bottleneck is cpu architecture. It's very strange that 2 strong cores stutter more than some 8 core cpus. Nvidia doesn't have as large experience with cpus and has made mistakes, while it has largest exps with gpu.
Firstly, let me say, well done. :highfive:
Someone had to do it and you were brave enough to put your money on the line. Respect.
Any idea how you upgrade performs compared to a standard Nexus 9? It would be cool if you could get another and do a side by side test.
A part of me wishes you could have just upgraded the RAM and compared to a standard Nexus 9 as we will never know which of your upgrades has the biggest effect.
Just wanted to give everyone a quick update.
Work has been sucking up all of my time, but I have the day off tomorrow so I should be able to get the guide/tutorial up by the end of the weekend.
She's still running wonderfully, however I did decide to go the itty-bitty fan route just to see if there was a difference, and sure enough, I got my idle temp hovering around 30C - 35C, so I may add a step for an optional fan installation. I found a super slim battery pack and a 5V Raspberry Pi fan and it worked like a charm. I just need to figure out a way to tidy up the wiring.
Anyhoo, happy Saturday, and stay tuned!
Can we order these from somewhere? Everywhere i looked have zero in stock.
Looking forward for the video tutorial. While I do not have a tablet replacement for mine, I will still do this!
The thing I'm most worried about is flashing the firmware back to the new chip.
Things I think I'll need .
#1 A tool that can read and write to the chip so we can backup or restore.(those tools cost like 100$+)
#2 soldering iron or something to detach and reattach the chip.
PS. I'm really looking for that 8G ram chip.
I will need to compile a new kernel to support more than 4G but that's no problem.
This memory eMMC NAND Flash chip KLMCG8GEAC-B001-BGA-64GB seems to be similar to ours. Just curious will this one fits? :fingers-crossed:
Maybe Need4Sneed broke his tablet.
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Maybe Need4Sneed broke his tablet.
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Maybe...
Marky__Mark said:
Maybe Need4Sneed broke his tablet.
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Or maybe he doesn't have the time to make the video yet because he's busy with life. Let's wait and see. I'm optimistic nonetheless because in the case that happens he could have said it earlier and this thread would have been closed .
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Or maybe he doesn't have the time to make the video yet because he's busy with life. Let's wait and see. I'm optimistic nonetheless because in the case that happens he could have said it earlier and this thread would have been closed .
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Maybe, maybe not. Im interested in this too, but Ill believe it when I see it.
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Maybe, maybe not. Im interested in this too, but Ill believe it when I see it.
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I'm with you 100% on that . Let's assume the best in either case scenario.
It seems that it is not as easy as the author tells us.
And I doubt that he has something that works, or he did at least what he writes about.
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It seems that it is not as easy as the author tells us.
And I doubt that he has something that works, or he did at least what he writes about.
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He probably broke his tablet installing that fan and who knows what else.
But it would a dream, upgrading this tablet to 4g ram and 64 gb storage,.. Too good to be true...
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At the very least, this guy can at least tell us where he got his.
@Need4Sneed
Are things ok?