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I only had mine a week or so before the upgrade, but I would say it's definitely taken a hit. Now, screen is not always the biggest power consumer like it used to be. Android OS and Android System are taking a much bigger portion of the power than they used to. I always reboot the phone if something other than screen is monopolizing the battery.
Also, I heard there's a Qualcomm-specific bug related to powering the cameras, and that it's been a particular issue with the latest Skype builds.
I worry that they'll fix these issues quickly in the Android project but it'll take months for me to see the fix from Verizon, by which point my battery will have been subjected a lot of unnecessary heat and wear.
Tonnes of android os talk in this thread. Or try Googling it.
Basically, the more services you have on and apps syncing, the higher it gets. For experimentation .....disable sync, location, Google now and Amy other service you can find, and usually android os goes way down. Decide what's important to you and enable things again....but do like one change a day. And when your android os skyrockets again....you'll know the last thing you enabled is the main culprit.
Anyway.....a pile of battery tips in here, and android os talk. Take some time and read through some. Maybe start at last page and go back as far as you can.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2418077
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Yes that battery life thread is very good. No change noticed here after the upgrade from 4.4
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Thanks, but I didn't really have to add anything except 4.4.2. The increased battery draw was pretty obvious after I applied the OTA. Since the upgrade, this phone doesn't have anywhere near the life that it once had. And even after the bugs that are draining it are addressed how long will it take to get the fix through Verizon?
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Thanks, but I didn't really have to add anything except 4.4.2. The increased battery draw was pretty obvious after I applied the OTA. Since the upgrade, this phone doesn't have anywhere near the life that it once had. And even after the bugs that are draining it are addressed how long will it take to get the fix through Verizon?
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Trust me, you can fix it now....if you try. Just gotta troubleshoot.
Many have no such bugs....or they've disabled whatever has wrecked their battery.
Just gotta put in some time and your issues can be fixed.
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Rooted with 4.4.2 and xposed/gravity box... Excellent battery life. Always 24+ hours use and 6+ hours of screen time. Granted I don't game but I always get some GPS and lots of music and browsing. I love this phone. I'm selling my n5 now.
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Jayrod1980 said:
Rooted with 4.4.2 and xposed/gravity box... Excellent battery life. Always 24+ hours use and 6+ hours of screen time. Granted I don't game but I always get some GPS and lots of music and browsing. I love this phone. I'm selling my n5 now.
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I seem to be one of the few that's matching my Moto x's battery life on my N5.
Not sure why some have such bad battery life on either phone sometimes, I can only assume its app related and very hard to pin down.
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I have noticed no appreciable change in battery life on any of the builds that the phone has had since I got it in December. Some days it is excellent, the next day, the wind blows the other direction (literally and figuratively) and the battery life is terrible with no change in usage or where my phone spends most of its time.
I had the Android OS bug after the OTA. I reflashed the stock firmware in fastboot and now it's gone back down to a more manageable level.
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I actually had slightly better battery life on my Nexus5. I still haven't passed 7+ hours screen time on the MotoX. I did it multiple times with the Nexus5. Although I think the Nexus5 has some tech to save battery while reading or screen is still. It still wasn't enough to make me choose it over the awesomeness that is the MotoX. Although I do miss that raw power every so often.
I too have had the random drain issue. It's definitely app related and since I reset and have stopped installing outdated apps I've been fine.
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You know, I thought it was just me, but the battery life definitely why down after 4.4.2! Yes they added a couple of features, but not that many for the drop in battery life experienced
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My battery life is better on 4.4.2
The issues are with apps that have not been updated since kit kat. I've since removed such apps and have been enjoying much better battery life.
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Installed ds battery saver. And let discharge overnight. Gsam reported a 2%/hr discharge. I had some apps not be shutoff
Install a xposed module appopsx or find a app on the play store if you don't have xposed. 4.4.2 requires root.
It's the built in permissions management. You can disable location for what app for example. It shows you what app is using that permission and how long ago it used it.
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I unlocked and finally upgraded to 4.4.2 on Tuesday the 18th. I had a four day weekend and was on my phone A LOT (because I wasn't at work), so I wouldn't consider it normal usage to compare with. I'm waiting patiently for my averages to level off now that I'm back at work and on normal patterns again.
Before I wiped I took a screenshot of my averages according to GSAM, and it was showing 15h7m (7h42m active) average battery life, with 5h3m (7h12m max) screen on time.
I am currently a little below that, 12h20m (7h33m active) average battery life, with 5h28m (5h17m max) SoT. I was on my phone basically all day Friday-Sunday and had it on and off the charger. I haven't really had a full cycle of waking up, using the phone all day, and going to bed yet.
The apps I am running now are almost all identical. I actually removed 2-3 of them after finding that Gravity Box could emulate the features of standalone apps that I was using.
I am not using Greenify (I didn't see any substantial gain from it), but I do have the Snapdragon Battery Guru.
Overall, I don't think it's worse.
This was my drain while I slept last night. That's even better than I thought it was. 4.4.2 BTW. I'm pretty sure I don't have any apps installed that haven't been updated since Kit Kat came out.
Having updated applications makes a huge difference.
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This was my drain while I slept last night. That's even better than I thought it was. 4.4.2 BTW. I'm pretty sure I don't have any apps installed that haven't been updated since Kit Kat came out.
Having updated applications makes a huge difference.
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Some have got down to 0.5 per hour drain on standby, but I never could. Our x is about 1 also. Its strange, cause its set up about the same as my n5 and it can get to 0.4 usually, not in airplane mode either.
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The 5 is a beast on standby drain. I miss that. I'm not even going to try for less on the X. I just attribute it to the Touchless and Active Controls. Whether that's the case or not, who knows.
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SymbioticGenius said:
The 5 is a beast on standby drain. I miss that. I'm not even going to try for less on the X. I just attribute it to the Touchless and Active Controls. Whether that's the case or not, who knows.
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That's part of it I'm sure. Maybe the radio? Who knows what else. LOL
Still.....better battery at the end of the day than my n5....with my usage.
An extremely light user may get more mileage with lower standby for sure, but doesn't really affect my wife. She charges over night regardless.
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SymbioticGenius said:
The 5 is a beast on standby drain. I miss that. I'm not even going to try for less on the X. I just attribute it to the Touchless and Active Controls. Whether that's the case or not, who knows.
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I have always wondered if touchless and active notifications were the ones to be blamed for the average 1%/h drain on standby but never did a test to try it out, until today
I charged my phone to 100%, turned off touchless controls and active notifications and let it rest through the night, when I woke up 5h and a half later (yes, I usually don't get much time of sleep), I was still on 100%, just I did when I had my N4
I guess these stuff take so much battery because they have to keep the phone "awake" all the time to recognize your voice and to know if your phone is upside down or in your pocket or whatever and as much as motorola made them separate CPUs to handle it with less battery consuptiom, they still take that 1%/h... Probably we would get a higher %/h if it wasn't for the 8 chip processor motorola came up with
Actually I even think that it has something/all to do with the high android OS usage that we get, and to be honest, I really don't mind getting 1%/h drain on standby overnight if I can wake up any time in the morning and ask to my phone to do almost anything I want or check my notifications without having to light up the whole screen, so I'm quite pleased with it
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I have always wondered if touchless and active notifications were the ones to be blamed for the average 1%/h drain on standby but never did a test to try it out, until today
I charged my phone to 100%, turned off touchless controls and active notifications and let it rest through the night, when I woke up 5h and a half later (yes, I usually don't get much time of sleep), I was still on 100%, just I did when I had my N4
I guess these stuff take so much battery because they have to keep the phone "awake" all the time to recognize your voice and to know if your phone is upside down or in your pocket or whatever and as much as motorola made them separate CPUs to handle it with less battery consuptiom, they still take that 1%/h... Probably we would get a higher %/h if it wasn't for the 8 chip processor motorola came up with
Actually I even think that it has something/all to do with the high android OS usage that we get, and to be honest, I really don't mind getting 1%/h drain on standby overnight if I can wake up any time in the morning and ask to my phone to do almost anything I want or check my notifications without having to light up the whole screen, so I'm quite pleased with it
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Now we just need to test it througout the day with touchless control and active notifications off
hey guys. check my stats and tell me what you think please: faster discharge than charge....even worse if i dont regulate my cpu to 800mhz durimg gaming...tab doesnt even get too hot so where does all the energy go?
the first image shows one percent takes 1.30min to deplete so i get 150min overall when playing games. also 40% discharge per hour so 2-3x as fast depletion as when browsing or writing with spen. and that even thouh cpu max is 800mhz!
My guess is, there is something wrong with the KitKat firmwares we have. Maybe that's why they haven't released it in most countries.
tried draining it completely last night... started around 8 with the process, 8.30 it was supposedly empty. after that around 15 reboots still possible, 2 hours screen time in download mode and about 20 minutes left to play around with it. battery kept jumping to 3-7% on reboot and then drained again. so lots of juice was still in there.. will see how it does now, that a complete drain was performed
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tried draining it completely last night... started around 8 with the process, 8.30 it was supposedly empty. after that around 15 reboots still possible, 2 hours screen time in download mode and about 20 minutes left to play around with it. battery kept jumping to 3-7% on reboot and then drained again. so lots of juice was still in there.. will see how it does now, that a complete drain was performed
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Save your time. Draining and complete discharging is an old trend with batteries, made with older technology. Modern batteries are totally useless to drain, it only calibrates the device. Which can be done by Battery Calibration app.
Save the time and try to calibrate it. Requires root.
I've had this problem for months (strangely I feel like it only became a problem a few months after I bought the device). I've heard some people say it's a motherboard issue and they sent it in to Samsung for repair. Others have said don't waste your time.
As for me, I just grin and bear it... and know that if I play a game I'll need to charge it soon after.
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I've had this problem for months (strangely I feel like it only became a problem a few months after I bought the device). I've heard some people say it's a motherboard issue and they sent it in to Samsung for repair. Others have said don't waste your time.
As for me, I just grin and bear it... and know that if I play a game I'll need to charge it soon after.
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I rooted it so samsung will tell me tough luck but it is my own fault i guess... damn this is not the way I imagined it going...
Keks1234 said:
I rooted it so samsung will tell me tough luck but it is my own fault i guess... damn this is not the way I imagined it going...
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I have the exactly the same problem.. I have tried one of the battery calibrating apps from the play store. Also I have now done a factory reset and also booted into recovery mode and deleted all cache. Then I have done another factory rest within recovery mode. So far seems much better. Hoping that it is fixed.
If not I am going to blast Samsung. I spent the £500 on this tablet and i expect more. Thought this was a premium product. See what happens but I notice there is only a 6 month warranty on the battery so Samsung may try and wash there hands of the situation. Does everyone have this issue who is using kit Kat?
See what happens but we may need collectively 'fight' Samsung if this is a hardware issue. I would encourage people to post there issues here just in case.
Have you noticed when you get to 0% battery life, if you reboot it will probably jump upto 30%? The calibration is well and truly stuffed!
FYI, I just got this tablet this past Sunday and it comes with KitKat. Spend sometime turning off some bloatware from the Application Manager. No root yet for Wifi without KNOX tripping, so I can't disable any other apps. Played around with the tablet a little bit and the battery life is not good.
Stats:
- Wifi Always ON even during sleep
- GPS is ON
- BT off
- Samsung crap-features OFF (Smart Stay, Smart Scroll, etc.)
So it's Samsung and/or KitKat. I can't even tell what caused Android OS to keep the CPU awake for so long. With this, I assume playing game will reduce the battery even more.
12 hours 42 minutes total time since charged
1 hour 34 minutes screen on time
4 hours 23 minutes Android OS keeping the CPU stay awake??
lanwarrior said:
FYI, I just got this tablet this past Sunday and it comes with KitKat. Spend sometime turning off some bloatware from the Application Manager. No root yet for Wifi without KNOX tripping, so I can't disable any other apps. Played around with the tablet a little bit and the battery life is not good.
Stats:
- Wifi Always ON even during sleep
- GPS is ON
- BT off
- Samsung crap-features OFF (Smart Stay, Smart Scroll, etc.)
So it's Samsung and/or KitKat. I can't even tell what caused Android OS to keep the CPU awake for so long. With this, I assume playing game will reduce the battery even more.
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Most likely because you've got location on, and apps constantly requesting your current location.
Location/GPS is the mother of all battery drains especially if you haven't got a consistent lock on GPS satellites
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Most likely because you've got location on, and apps constantly requesting your current location.
Location/GPS is the mother of all battery drains especially if you haven't got a consistent lock on GPS satellites
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My thought is that if I am connected to wifi, the tablet will use network based location service and not GPS.
I also have GPS ON all the time on my Note 3and it didn't cause this much CPU awake. Both the Note 3and Note 10 ate connected to the same wifi network.
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My thought is that if I am connected to wifi, the tablet will use network based location service and not GPS.
I also have GPS ON all the time on my Note 3and it didn't cause this much CPU awake. Both the Note 3and Note 10 ate connected to the same wifi network.
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Just to clarify when you say GPS, do you mean location services? Thought you meant the GPS was actually active.
Edit: location services work a bit differently going from jellybean to kitKat
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lanwarrior said:
My thought is that if I am connected to wifi, the tablet will use network based location service and not GPS.
I also have GPS ON all the time on my Note 3and it didn't cause this much CPU awake. Both the Note 3and Note 10 ate connected to the same wifi network.
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Have you got the same apps running on both devices? And same location reporting settings for any apps that use it?
How many charges have you been through? Some times when installing new ROMs Android OS does come up as using a lot of battery, not sure if that applies to a fresh stock tablet though
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hey guys. check my stats and tell me what you think please: faster discharge than charge....even worse if i dont regulate my cpu to 800mhz durimg gaming...tab doesnt even get too hot so where does all the energy go?
the first image shows one percent takes 1.30min to deplete so i get 150min overall when playing games. also 40% discharge per hour so 2-3x as fast depletion as when browsing or writing with spen. and that even thouh cpu max is 800mhz!
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Can't tell much from the stats you've provided.
I'm no expert but I don't think limiting the cpu in anyway let alone so severely will help, most likely make things worse.
Games are normally more GPU intensive than CPU and it's not the frequency that determines power consumption it's the voltage.
800mhz would require less voltage to be stable but if your just limiting frequency, your voltages might still be going up when more resources are requested.
What Rom and kernel are you using?
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Just to clarify when you say GPS, do you mean location services? Thought you meant the GPS was actually active.
Edit: location services work a bit differently going from jellybean to kitKat
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Have you got the same apps running on both devices? And same location reporting settings for any apps that use it?
How many charges have you been through? Some times when installing new ROMs Android OS does come up as using a lot of battery, not sure if that applies to a fresh stock tablet though
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I meant GPS as in BOTH the GPS hardware and the location-based network. Sorry for the confusion, but my Note 3 show "GPS" while my Note 10.1 show "Location".
Anyho, both devices have both GPS hardware and location-based network turned ON. Correct me if I am wrong, but if the device couldn't find GPS signal, it'll just revert to the location-based network. I think it doesn't make sense for the OS to use both at the same time as it will create a conflict on the accuracy of the location.
For the Note 3, it use stock ROM but rooted. It is on 4.3 and I have installed many apps.
For the Note 10.1, it use stock ROM and not rooted. It is on 4.4.2 and brand new, no 3rd party apps installed at all. I only setup Google account for email and calendar. No Google Now. Disabled bloatware from "Application Manager".
With the Note 10.1, something must have changed in 4.4.2. I will try to turn off GPS and location-based network completely and see what happen.
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I meant GPS as in BOTH the GPS hardware and the location-based network. Sorry for the confusion, but my Note 3 show "GPS" while my Note 10.1 show "Location".
Anyho, both devices have both GPS hardware and location-based network turned ON. Correct me if I am wrong, but if the device couldn't find GPS signal, it'll just revert to the location-based network. I think it doesn't make sense for the OS to use both at the same time as it will create a conflict on the accuracy of the location.
For the Note 3, it use stock ROM but rooted. It is on 4.3 and I have installed many apps.
For the Note 10.1, it use stock ROM and not rooted. It is on 4.4.2 and brand new, no 3rd party apps installed at all. I only setup Google account for email and calendar. No Google Now. Disabled bloatware from "Application Manager".
With the Note 10.1, something must have changed in 4.4.2. I will try to turn off GPS and location-based network completely and see what happen.
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Go into location services/mode in settings on your note 2014.
You'll see there are three options.
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High accuracy uses both gps and wifi
I had the same problem with my Note 10.1 2014. Send it to Samsung for repair and they said it was the battery. Got it yesterday and after a full night to charge to 100% it only gave me 3 hours and 40 min of use. I used to have 8 to 10 h of use. It's Kit Kat, I'm sure. It's really crap. I used to love it before the update now I just hate it.
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I had the same problem with my Note 10.1 2014. Send it to Samsung for repair and they said it was the battery. Got it yesterday and after a full night to charge to 100% it only gave me 3 hours and 40 min of use. I used to have 8 to 10 h of use. It's Kit Kat, I'm sure. It's really crap. I used to love it before the update now I just hate it.
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Wait, did you have the awake problem like mine? Also, did you meant 8 hours of screen on time?
As shown in my first post, I have 1.5 hours of screen on time and with the awake problem, I still have 68% left.
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Go into location services/mode in settings on your note 2014.
You'll see there are three options.
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High accuracy uses both gps and wifi
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Yup, that's what I have. I am going to turn off GPS and Wifi-based location completely (from the dropdown menu, press the "Location" button) and see what happen. The tablet is charging now, but I will post update soon.
Did you do a factory reset after updating?
I know Samsung says it's not neccessary, but it still is highly recommended.
I too have stock 4.4.2 (factory reset, than rooted) and nothing else, didn't even bother to debloat it yet. I will play around with it today and report back.
Edit: surfing drains about 10% in 1 hour. Have not tried gaming yet.
I thought i'd give some of my personal experience:
I just installed a game called DeProfundis Requiem (a 3D, diablo 2 like game) and had some serious battery draining at first.
The other day I played maybe 1 hour and my battery dropped to 15%. 3 minutes later (or so) it dropped to 5%... I rebooted, and the battery showed around 29%. Tried to play again and that only lasted 5 minutes and then the tablet turned off.
Since then, things seem to have stabilized. I now can play that game for over 2-3 hours, with quite a bit of battery left. What I did notice is that if the tablet got hot (on the right back side), then the battery drains quite fast. In the contrary if I'm indoors with AC, the battery seem to last much longer.
I think this has to do with the tablet overheating and therefore draining the battery faster. Maybe something you can try is that as soon as the device start feeling a bit hot, turn it off for 10mn, and try again.
I hope this can be useful to some of you.
- Olivier
Just a quick update:
I hard reset my tablet (remember, it's brand new), which already have 4.4.2. Configured Google account, disabled bloatware, turned off GPS, turned ON Wifi and installed Zinio for a test.
Left the tablet overnight, use it very slightly. Check out the battery drain caused by Android OS... It's definitely some sort of bloatware or 4.4.2...
Not familiar with the battery app you've got, pretty confusing bunch of numbers there! Better battery stats is one of the best battery monitoring apps and gives you concise wake lock info.....it may require root now though, can't remember.
Your Android OS is always going to consume a higher percentage of your battery if you don't actually use the tablet. 86% after 12 hrs off the juice ain't to bad?
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Not familiar with the battery app you've got, pretty confusing bunch of numbers there! Better battery stats is one of the best battery monitoring apps and gives you concise wake lock info.....it may require root now though, can't remember.
Your Android OS is always going to consume a higher percentage of your battery if you don't actually use the tablet. 86% after 12 hrs off the juice ain't to bad?
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It's GSAM Battery, quote popular in XDA. BBS require root, which I dont have yet.
Since this tablet is brand new out of the box, I conclude it's Android OS / one of Samsung bloatware causing the drain. Not much I can do til I root the tablet, but I am waiting for one that is not tripping KNOX.
Hello everyone!
So I have been having these battery issues since April security patch. the phone gets really warm to the touch even by doing the simplest of things like browsing and watching youtube. Android OS keeps the phone awake 80% of the time and I am only getting 2-3 hours of use throughout the day. Restored the phone to factory settings(fresh start, nothing restored) three days ago and still the same issue. Android OS drains the battery life even though I made sure that only google apps are installed on the phone.
But today things got even weirder. I disabled Google Now and location services as a test and the battery drain and heat issues were gone temporarily. I was getting a great battery performance from morning to afternoon. I check my battery stats and I notice that Google services mysteriously drained 17% of my battery life and that it's been running for 21 days straight? That's impossible since I just did a fresh reset to the phone three days ago. I rebooted the phone and that "Google services" drain changed to WiFi instead?! That's crazy!
I contacted Google store support team and they have been really helpful so far. They offered to replace the phone with a refurbished unit, but I don't think I am ready to give up on this phone just yet.
Thank you!
waelalzubieri said:
Hello everyone!
So I have been having these battery issues since April security patch. the phone gets really warm to the touch even by doing the simplest of things like browsing and watching youtube. Android OS keeps the phone awake 80% of the time and I am only getting 2-3 hours of use throughout the day. Restored the phone to factory settings(fresh start, nothing restored) three days ago and still the same issue. Android OS drains the battery life even though I made sure that only google apps are installed on the phone.
But today things got even weirder. I disabled Google Now and location services as a test and the battery drain and heat issues were gone temporarily. I was getting a great battery performance from morning to afternoon. I check my battery stats and I notice that Google services mysteriously drained 17% of my battery life and that it's been running for 21 days straight? That's impossible since I just did a fresh reset to the phone three days ago. I rebooted the phone and that "Google services" drain changed to WiFi instead?! That's crazy!
I contacted Google store support team and they have been really helpful so far. They offered to replace the phone with a refurbished unit, but I don't think I am ready to give up on this phone just yet.
Thank you!
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I hate to recommend this, but sometimes things go out of wack after a SW update, so a hard reset would probably be needed. I would try that (just start from zero) before jumping into a refurbished phone that might have some other kind of issues. Have you tried a hard reset yet? I see that you did a fresh reset. Did you go through the recovery though? Not just the regular UI. I think it's better to clear cache, and every thing through the recovery (custom or stock).
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I hate to recommend this, but sometimes things go out of wack after a SW update, so a hard reset would probably be needed. I would try that (just start from zero) before jumping into a refurbished phone that might have some other kind of issues. Have you tried a hard reset yet? I see that you did a fresh reset. Did you go through the recovery though? Not just the regular UI. I think it's better to clear cache, and every thing through the recovery (custom or stock).
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I did it through recovery. I have cleared the cache and rebooted the phone several times the past few days. Nothing seems to help at all.
Turn off your google backup.
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waelalzubieri said:
I did it through recovery. I have cleared the cache and rebooted the phone several times the past few days. Nothing seems to help at all.
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Wow. Maybe a custom ROM might help? Have you tried that? That's the last thing I would do. Good luck!
Not recommended but I just flashed January vendor and ROM and that has helped my battery life. I. Believe it is the security updates that kill our battery.
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Not recommended but I just flashed January vendor and ROM and that has helped my battery life. I. Believe it is the security updates that kill our battery.
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Is it a widespread issue? Like I said in my post, I saw the decline ever since I got the April security update. The May patch actually managed to make things worse. There seems to be something hidden in the OS that it's draining the battery and causing the awake issues. I haven't tried rooting the device because I lack the experience to do so. I will probably look into it on these forums, but at this point I have tried everything.
Disabling Google now helped a lot and it exposed some sort of a glitch with the stock battery monitoring app. I am not sure if it's hardware or software, but it's certainly not normal. I am tempted to just replace it, but I am afraid that this issue will just plague the new one from Google. I am really disappointed How Google handles updates on this device. I always thought that stock android is most stable version of android, but the software on my old Xperia Z is actually more stable than this. It never had battery drain issues and standby battery life was always great. The battery life on Nexus 6P is actually worse than the Xperia Z even though that phone is 3 years old.
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Is it a widespread issue? Like I said in my post, I saw the decline ever since I got the April security update. The May patch actually managed to make things worse. There seems to be something hidden in the OS that it's draining the battery and causing the awake issues. I haven't tried rooting the device because I lack the experience to do so. I will probably look into it on these forums, but at this point I have tried everything.
Disabling Google now helped a lot and it exposed some sort of a glitch with the stock battery monitoring app. I am not sure if it's hardware or software, but it's certainly not normal. I am tempted to just replace it, but I am afraid that this issue will just plague the new one from Google. I am really disappointed How Google handles updates on this device. I always thought that stock android is most stable version of android, but the software on my old Xperia Z is actually more stable than this. It never had battery drain issues and standby battery life was always great. The battery life on Nexus 6P is actually worse than the Xperia Z even though that phone is 3 years old.
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I've seen a lot of posts over the months with people having the same problem we are. I came from a mid range LG stylo with a snapdragon 610. I would have 8 hours screen on time daily. Its sad that goggle cant get the same out of their own hardware. Also I have seen that the Note 5 and S7 Edge both get better battery life as opposed to our stock phones. For as much as people praise stock and look down on Touchwiz, they are doing something right over there.
But it doesn't affect everyone and that what puzzles me. Only certain phones are hit by these issues, while other people are getting excellent battery life. I have seen plenty of people post screenshots of 6 hours+ of on screen time. I am lucky to get 3 hours. I think Google should really invest in creating a better power management system into Android. Companies like Sony and Samsung built their own and the battery life on their devices always perform predictably relative to what I am seeing on this phone. I have never witnessed The doze feature kick in since I have bought this phone. Sony had stamina mode since 2013 and it actually worked.
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But it doesn't affect everyone and that what puzzles me. Only certain phones are hit by these issues, while other people are getting excellent battery life. I have seen plenty of people post screenshots of 6 hours+ of on screen time. I am lucky to get 3 hours. I think Google should really invest in creating a better power management system into Android. Companies like Sony and Samsung built their own and the battery life on their devices always perform predictably relative to what I am seeing on this phone. I have never witnessed The doze feature kick in since I have bought this phone. Sony had stamina mode since 2013 and it actually worked.
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Most of those people posting those outrageous number root and do kernel tweaks. I've gotten at most 6 hours SOT on stock without root. You are right our phones do all react differently to certain circumstances. I don't know if it's feasible to you ,but you should try rooting and trying out a few Roms some help others don't. If you aren't into Roms and decide to root try earlier vendors and stock roms and see it those work. I'm not an expert by any means just my suggestions.
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Most of those people posting those outrageous number root and do kernel tweaks. I've gotten at most 6 hours SOT on stock without root. You are right our phones do all react differently to certain circumstances. I don't know if it's feasible to you ,but you should try rooting and trying out a few Roms some help others don't. If you aren't into Roms and decide to root try earlier vendors and stock roms and see it those work. I'm not an expert by any means just my suggestions.
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Well, the fact that you are having great battery life proves my point. It's either that the quality control of the batteries used on these phones are terrible, or that the software or kernel are corrupted from factory causing these issues. There is no way to fix them by hard reseting the phone so far. I am going to try to flash a stock rom on this device and see what happens. Thanks by the way.
1) Are you rooted? If not, at least do that and install BBS in order to track down what's eating your battery.
2) Probably we'll run into a common problem / bug the last two months.
After unplugging the phone, it seems that the wakelock *backup* runs constantly, does not let phone get into sleep, and runs in the background while using your phone causin battery to drain faster.
3) About battery life. Comparing battery results between two users it has no point, unless you really now his usage pattern. Not only the setup, but which apps of them used most etc.
For example Facebook app is real battery eater. I've seen an hour more SOT without this app.
I can give several examples like this.
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Seriously, what's wrong with the Z5 compact? the Z3 compact was a longhaul wonder but I had to upgrade, since the back cover piece of "glass" was so fragile, it broke several times without much or any force exposed to it. Exchanging it anyway never got it waterproof again.
But the longer the more updates are coming to the Z5 compact, the less it's battery holds and I only got it since March this year!
I make it barely through the day on one charge with 1h of screen on time max!
As you can see in the attached screenshots today it's down to below 30% at 3 o'clock in the afternoon after disconnecting it from the charger this morning at 8 o'clock and I haven't used it much since... 15 minutes of listening to music, occational web searches and e-mail reading. I'm on the latest official Marshmallow (32.2.A.0.253), no root, no bl unlock, all stock!
what shall I do?
sorry for venting a bit...
cheers
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The latest is .305, upgrade, debloat, post results.
Im having similar issues, same version. Checking for updates tells me that my phone is at the latest version
With latest soft . 305 the battery is better than before.
Same here, this phone is melting the battery like butter under the sun.
Impossible to determine which processus is faulty but it wasn't the case some weeks ago.
Update your phone to .305 (flash it completely)
works on my machine
So I factory reset over the weekend, and did not turn device encryption back on (I had it on previously)... and I've noticed hugely improved performance and battery life, and drastically cooler temperatures. On one hand, it could be that the factory reset cleared something that was causing issues; but on the other, device encryption, by definition, requires more CPU cycles, which will heat up a device and cause battery drain and slower performance.
I know that it sucks having to make the trade-off (if device encryption was a contributing factor), but if you have encryption turned on and have problems with the phone getting really hot, performing poorly, or draining battery, consider turning it off.
Perhaps it would be less of an issue with a different processor, but Sony did stick us with the 810, so... lol
Where in the menu is this encryption?
Yep, hard reset cured my z5c too. Something kept it awake and I couldn't find what. It was over 30 proc. battery drain over night, now it's 3 and 3-5 hours screen on time.
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Where in the menu is this encryption?
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It's not turned on by default, so if you didn't turn it on, it's probably not on.
It's under the Security settings. There are buttons to "Encrypt Phone" and "Encrypt SD Card."
Ever since i upgraded to 32.2.a.0.305 which was a mandatory update; my battery drained a lot faster similar to TS. So I have to factory reformat again? I've done this 3x already since I got my phone back in February. I'm so frustrated right now with Android; I don't even know who to blame; google or sony.
My phone was ok before the october updates; the low power mode would kick in and i could see the power graph go more horizontal as time has passed. Now it is a direct slump down from 6pm (full) to 6am (15%) and I was asleep during this time.
reformat? that will take considerable amount of time. I'm a working professional and I have a family with responsibilities. iOS is looking more and more enticing as the days go by as I use this phone.
I was happy that the z5c has a larger battery and can charge 50% faster (with qc 2.0) but it happens to also drains 2x faster.
Even if android is a superior OS than iOS (IMO); it is so very unreliable and unpredictable. I just want to feel relaxed (peace of mind) that my phone will be available when I need it the most. Now every time I go out I have to think about not forgetting to bring a powerbank; so much for a compact android phone. my powerbank + z5c is bigger than the iphone plus.
I've solved the problem, I'm back on Lollipop 5.1.1 with the 32.0.A.4.11-R3B FW.
The difference is really huge whether in terms of battery, reactivity and useful features. Today the phone have used 15% of battery where it would have usually used 45% in the same time on MM.
I'm like Chadie, I don't know who is to blame, Sony or Google, but this MM fw on the Z5C is a shame.
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reformat? that will take considerable amount of time. I'm a working professional and I have a family with responsibilities. iOS is looking more and more enticing as the days go by as I use this phone.
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Even if android is a superior OS than iOS (IMO); it is so very unreliable and unpredictable. I just want to feel relaxed (peace of mind) that my phone will be available when I need it the most. Now every time I go out I have to think about not forgetting to bring a powerbank; so much for a compact android phone. my powerbank + z5c is bigger than the iphone plus.
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If you think iOS doesn't have problems, you're in for a surprise. lol
Yes, it sucks having to factory reset, but I'm a working professional, too, and I found the time to do it on a Sunday morning. It's worth it. Google can restore most of your settings and apps, you'll just have to manually reconnect Bluetooth devices and set up your home screen again.
I was really shocked with the battery life coming from 4.4.2 on my z1c HEAVILY modded/tweaked was getting 2 day battery life and upto 9hrs screen on time (NINE HOURS!).
But yeah I now got the z5c (r.i.p z1c best phone ever) for 60 quid brand new because my mate didn't want it anymore got iPhone instead lol but since I updated to .305 over the past few days the battery has REALLY improved like it's magically calibrated itself or something and I'm getting comfy 1.5days out of it, I don't know how much screen on time as MM doesn't show you anymore but hey I've noticed a massive improvement.
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I don't know how much screen on time as MM doesn't show you anymore but hey I've noticed a massive improvement.
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Download GSam Battery Monitor if you want that functionality back. It'll tell you screen time, as well as all sorts of other usage metrics that impact battery life.
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Yes, it sucks having to factory reset, but I'm a working professional, too, and I found the time to do it on a Sunday morning. It's worth it. Google can restore most of your settings and apps, you'll just have to manually reconnect Bluetooth devices and set up your home screen again.
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I can confirm that factory reset is unfortunately the best solution.
For my work, i had to update a dozen of Xperia M4 aqua, which is famous for poor memory available ( 8gb version).
So i compared reseted and not reseted available memory after update and can tell you there is a big difference.
That's why i now make my best to convince users to factory reset after update.
An updated system will never be as efficient as a clean installed one.
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If you think iOS doesn't have problems, you're in for a surprise. lol
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I know about them; i have both phones but android is my primary one. Better those than having an unreliable charge on my phone.
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I know about them; i have both phones but android is my primary one. Better those than having an unreliable charge on my phone.
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https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7676533?start=0&tstart=0
http://www.iphonehacks.com/2016/10/how-to-fix-iphone-7-battery-life-problems.html
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Just following up... after the reset, the battery life, especially at idle, has been rocking. Here's last night while I was sleeping (note that I do not charge my phones overnight, since it's bad to charge a Li-Ion battery to 100% and I wouldn't be awake to disconnect it before that happened):
This is on build 32.2.A.0.305, and the phone is not rooted (it is completely stock firmware).
Compared to z3c this phone is an epic fail.
From the official Chinese forum, I found this announcement and this one. More features have been built-in the OS with the AI capability. They are good for phone signal enhancement, momery optimization, performance and such. You can transfer to your language to read them...
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From the official Chinese forum, I found this announcement and this one. More features have been built-in the OS with the AI capability. They are good for phone signal enhancement, momery optimization, performance and such. You can transfer to your language to read them...
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With all these stuff they should have added a better battery management.
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With all these stuff they should have added a better battery management.
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Ｉ understand that you don't have the patience to wait to see EMUI 5's battery performance, but it has been pretty impressive to me in terms of learning my usage habit and optimize the battery life to me
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Ｉ understand that you don't have the patience to wait to see EMUI 5's battery performance, but it has been pretty impressive to me in terms of learning my usage habit and optimize the battery life to me
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LOL! I have been using 5.0 since more than a month now and no "optimisation" has made the battery last as long as on 4.0. Tried controlling wakelocks, alarms etc but all the same.
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Ｉ understand that you don't have the patience to wait to see EMUI 5's battery performance, but it has been pretty impressive to me in terms of learning my usage habit and optimize the battery life to me
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If it works for you, it doesn't mean I'm impatient to see what's happening. I just gave my point of view and my experience with this phone. I guess that's why we're all here for. But not to judge anyone. Just think twice before you type something about someone. Keep it cool
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If it works for you, it doesn't mean I'm impatient to see what's happening. I just gave my point of view and my experience with this phone. I guess that's why we're all here for. But not to judge anyone. Just think twice before you type something about someone. Keep it cool
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Sorry, I was not intentional to say that but hoping you got the EMUI 5 sooner than later in the old days. Then when you got it, I saw you switched back to EMUI 4.1 the same day you got EMUI 5. In my case, it took about a week for the phone to learn my use pattern and reduce the battery drain to almost 0% during afternoons and nights when I was not using it intensively. Yeah, keep an eye on the other aspects of features you want from the EMUI system. Have a good day!
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LOL! I have been using 5.0 since more than a month now and no "optimisation" has made the battery last as long as on 4.0. Tried controlling wakelocks, alarms etc but all the same.
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A couple of things you may be able to try is to turn off the body sensor permission to Google and to use cellphone network and wifi network to locate your position instead of using GPS signal. The optimization by EMUI really depends on your use pattern in my opinion. If you will need to use the phone a lot, it won't optimize your battery performance noticeably. If you read more on other brand forums where pure Android 7 has been used, you may find people complain about the battery life a lot compared to the Android 6 version. This is just how Android 7 costs.
First of all i never went back to emui 4.1 the same day i got update. Secondly, i never got the emui 5 sooner that everyone else. I just used firmware finder to get my emui 5 update. Thirdly, there was something wrong with the battery so i got a replacement of that phone. Here in emui 5 apps don't go to sleep at screen off they keep waking up. I was talking about battery management to manage some apps aggressively which wake up too much background tasks even when not in use.
So that's the battery management i was talking about Hope you get it.
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First of all i never went back to emui 4.1 the same day i got update. Secondly, i never got the emui 5 sooner that everyone else. I just used firmware finder to get my emui 5 update. Thirdly, there was something wrong with the battery so i got a replacement of that phone. Here in emui 5 apps don't go to sleep at screen off they keep waking up. I was talking about battery management to manage some apps aggressively which wake up too much background tasks even when not in use.
So that's the battery management i was talking about Hope you get it.
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Have you tried to check the setting options for turning apps off while in sleep mode? I am not sure what the problem is in your case. I don't have many apps waking my phone up on EMUI 5 after some tedious re-enforced training with the phone on what to do using the phone manager app. Maybe you have to turn them off manually if you don't need them initially; otherwise, the phone would think you are ok to let them on. This approach should work for general machine learning algorithms if I am correct. Good luck on that anyways. I am looking forward to seeing more AI features to come as demonstrated in the Magic UI.