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My LG G4 has just been bricked by a well-documented bootloop issue (mobo hardware fault), and I'm thinking of a Note 4 to replace it, rather than risking another G4. Before taking the plunge I thought I'd ask if there were any words of caution that I should heed from long-time Note 4 owners?
I saw the thread about possible motherboard faults causing freezes and restarts after the MM update - should I be worried about this?
Other questions:
- Would the Note 4 allow me to use any 2 apps in dual window mode - e.g. BeyondPod and Google Maps, which is the usual setup when I'm driving?
- Are people happy with the battery life of the Note 4?
Comparing any LG is simply hilarious with a Samsung. As for your queries,
- Yes (you need root and install Xposed and then you can use any two apps with modules like XTouchWiz)
- Moderately happy.
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Comparing any LG is simply hilarious with a Samsung.
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Hmmm....potentially ambiguous but I'm guessing that you're expressing a preference for the Samsung there?
I've read a number of comparisons between these two models and opinions seem to be divided- the G4 has the better camera (particularly on low light) but the Note 4 has better battery life. The decision doesn't seem quite as clear cut as I was hoping :0(
Yes obviously. When I buy a phone I buy it for the complete package, not one best camera, or one best something. The Samsung will always have 7/10 things ticked for it, while LG 3/10 if not less. LG has a famous track record of phones going to boot loop, and that's due to hardware (motherboard), I don't really know how many Samsung phones have that track record. Also LG's UI is simply hilarious, in a bad way. I hate TouchWiz, no doubt about that, but LG's UI....TouchWiz is like God gifted in comparison. Then there's the display, the network reception and call quality and all those, too many to mention.
I will even buy a A series Samsung over the most high end LG, any time.
As you are interested about battery life that much, well if you use WiFi most of the time and live an area where reception is strong then you will get about 5-6 hours of SoT, spanning over 24 hours, on stock kernel.
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Hmmm....potentially ambiguous but I'm guessing that you're expressing a preference for the Samsung there?
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Yes obviously. When I buy a phone I buy it for the complete package, not one best camera, or one best something. The Samsung will always have 7/10 things ticked for it, while LG 3/10 if not less. LG has a famous track record of phones going to boot loop, and that's due to hardware (motherboard), I don't really know how many Samsung phones have that track record. Also LG's UI is simply hilarious, in a bad way. I hate TouchWiz, no doubt about that, but LG's UI....TouchWiz is like God gifted in comparison. Then there's the display, the network reception and call quality and all those, too many to mention.
I will even buy a A series Samsung over the most high end LG, any time.
As you are interested about battery life that much, well if you use WiFi most of the time and live an area where reception is strong then you will get about 5-6 hours of SoT, spanning over 24 hours, on stock kernel.
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The UI's not an issue for me - I use Nova Launcher. I didn't have any issues with the LG's display, network reception or call quality either. It's that motherboard issue that's caused me to look for an alternative.
So should I be concerned about the Note 4 freezing/restarting issue which has been reported in this forum, and attributed by some to a motherboard hardware issue?
Hi, long time XDA user here. I'm currently using a OnePlus X. I was considering springing for the new OnePlus 6, but I really shouldn't spend that much money right now. I saw that the V20s (a phone I was interested in previously) are very affordable now and I imaging for 200 bucks I can push my upgrade down the road for a bit, maybe until the OP6+ comes out. I've had an LG phone before and liked it , but it's been quite a few years.(Windows Mobile fellas, not even Windows Phone)
1. Is the V20 still viable, does it run well with current apps and networks?
2. How is the ROM support doing nowadays, and is the rooting process in general still possible from the firmware that currently ships on the phone? (I'm not sure what LGs stance on bootloader locking is)
3. Do custom roms make use of the secondary screen at all?
4. What are the phone's weakest points or biggest annoyances today? As in, what hasn't really stood the test of time?
Thanks for any info you can provide me.
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Hi, long time XDA user here. I'm currently using a OnePlus X. I was considering springing for the new OnePlus 6, but I really shouldn't spend that much money right now. I saw that the V20s (a phone I was interested in previously) are very affordable now and I imaging for 200 bucks I can push my upgrade down the road for a bit, maybe until the OP6+ comes out. I've had an LG phone before and liked it , but it's been quite a few years.(Windows Mobile fellas, not even Windows Phone)
1. Is the V20 still viable, does it run well with current apps and networks?
2. How is the ROM support doing nowadays, and is the rooting process in general still possible from the firmware that currently ships on the phone? (I'm not sure what LGs stance on bootloader locking is)
3. Do custom roms make use of the secondary screen at all?
4. What are the phone's weakest points or biggest annoyances today? As in, what hasn't really stood the test of time?
Thanks for any info you can provide me.
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The v20 is basically end of life, bootloader unlocking and root, is dicey depending on the variant you buy, development slowed down to a trickle for some time, common issues include, poor cell reception, screen retention, bad mics, the v20 is still waiting for Oreo and the phone was released over two years ago and probably will never see another os upgrade after that. Currently second screen only works on stock based roms.
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The v20 is basically end of life, bootloader unlocking and root, is dicey depending on the variant you buy, development slowed down to a trickle for some time, common issues include, poor cell reception, screen retention, bad mics, the v20 is still waiting for Oreo and the phone was released over two years ago and probably will never see another os upgrade after that. Currently second screen only works on stock based roms.
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Thanks for the info. This is exactly what I was looking for.
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The v20 is basically end of life, bootloader unlocking and root, is dicey depending on the variant you buy, development slowed down to a trickle for some time, common issues include, poor cell reception, screen retention, bad mics, the v20 is still waiting for Oreo and the phone was released over two years ago and probably will never see another os upgrade after that. Currently second screen only works on stock based roms.
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I wouldn't say that with the active development of Lineage OS and Any Kernel.
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The v20 is basically end of life, bootloader unlocking and root, is dicey depending on the variant you buy, development slowed down to a trickle for some time, common issues include, poor cell reception, screen retention, bad mics, the v20 is still waiting for Oreo and the phone was released over two years ago and probably will never see another os upgrade after that. Currently second screen only works on stock based roms.
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This sums it up. Seems the v20 is dead. Maybe oreo will bring more development but I doubt it since a lot of people have moved on
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I wouldn't say that with the active development of Lineage OS and Any Kernel.
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Oh yeah lineage that half baked os that's unofficial and you lose main features of the phone and have to flash constant updates or use work arounds to have basic functionality, yeah that's development right there.
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LG V20 Still A good Phone
Well maybe you would like a different perspective. I fist laid eyes on the LG V20 in a Verizon store about a month ago but they would not sell it to me because it is not made anymore. So I just purchased an unlocked version from B&H in New York. My first attraction to this phone is the second screen which i think is extremely useful. Then i noticed that the LG V20 has a removable back panel so you can replace the battery. I have been looking for that ever since my NOTE 4 bricked two years ago. in the interim I had a Motorola Pure X which took a look for me to part with. SO that was all I needed to make the choice to buy it. now i do not have to carry a battery brick or make sure i am near a charger all day. i can carry a spare battery in my pocket. Next fringe benefit was finding out that this phone has 3 cameras, 1 front facing and 2 rear, one of them being a wide angle lens. But the love keeps getting better... add to that a removable SD card up to 256 GB or more when they come out with one, fingerprint censor, 64 GB phone and you have a pretty serious contender. I love this phone. I love it so much i but another one. Actually at the moment i have 3. Oh and yes, probably one of the only phones left that has both a 3.5 mm headphone jack and a type C charging port. The Audio and DAC units in this phone is better than most high end audio gear that you would find in a music studio, and i am a musician. I have heard of complaints about the camera quality, but to that i say if you want pictures with that kind of quality, go out and buy a Nikon! Also i have heard that manufactures are moving away form 3.5 mm jacks and removable batteries because they want to make the phones more water proof. Bull Hockey!! Are people so obsessed with phones that they cannot leave the thing alone for a 10 minute swim. The real reason is because the manufacturer doesn't want you keeping a phone more than 2 years so they make the batteries last only that long and if you cannot replace the battery, you need a new phone. (or you can go the route of trying to put a new battery in your phone and butcher it to death).
Long story to say do not count the LG V20 out yet. it is a superb phone, has many features that a lot of other phones just do not have. I am very pleased with both of mine and i love the second screen.
The only bad experience i have had is that in order to get Verizon's Visual Voice mail, i had to purchase a Verizon version, and the front camera crapped out after a week. It was supposed to be new, but the box looks like it has been ridden around the world, so i doubt it was new. SO i am sending that back but still have both of my unlocked US996's.
cnjax said:
The v20 is basically end of life, bootloader unlocking and root, is dicey depending on the variant you buy, development slowed down to a trickle for some time, common issues include, poor cell reception, screen retention, bad mics, the v20 is still waiting for Oreo and the phone was released over two years ago and probably will never see another os upgrade after that. Currently second screen only works on stock based roms.
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Like, how is December 2016 is more that 2 years ago? Kid, are you sane? More so, Shap 820 even didn't existed more than 2 years ago, it is still actual chip not legacy like some 810, and 835 is pretty much == 820 rebranded and repainted
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Kevin1a said:
1. Is the V20 still viable, does it run well with current apps and networks?
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Yes, because it's powered by SD820, not Snap 430 or 600 or something
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4. What are the phone's weakest points or biggest annoyances today? As in, what hasn't really stood the test of time?
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The weakest point is battery somewhat degraded over time, I could have like 7hrs SOT on Wifi on the start but now after cold winters it shows its age and gives me around 4.5...5 SOT on same router. but battery is exchangeable easily and I hope to buy more fresh one
Some people claim they got screen retention, it's more visible the more southern country you live and more brighter you must set you screen to
I still am keeping it as a backup phone but I am using a different DD. I did take it on a trip though with the 10800 ma battery I have for it. I'm running a stock 918H and it still fairly fast. The SD card and headphone jack are nice too. Still a good buy at $150 or so
I love the second screen and the DAC but being forced to run the stock ROM is a PITA as it's very sluggish. I have a Mi A1 that runs circles around the V20 in terms of performance, which is sad. Meanwhile, if you try to solve the lag, running Lineage OS defeats the purpose and outweighs the benefits of the phone as you won't have the DAC, second screen nor full camera functionality.
Absolutely it is worth it. You can pick up a V30 with a slightly faster processor, and slightly better camera (and that is debatable) for $250. However, you will lose the replaceable battery, the second screen, the IR blaster.
The people that say they are having performance problems have hardware issues. Even stock non-rooted, runs plenty fast, but if you use Alpha ROM, and debloat all the carrier bullsh** then it runs like a beast.
-- Brian
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Absolutely it is worth it. You can pick up a V30 with a slightly faster processor, and slightly better camera (and that is debatable) for $250. However, you will lose the replaceable battery, the second screen, the IR blaster.
The people that say they are having performance problems have hardware issues. Even stock non-rooted, runs plenty fast, but if you use Alpha ROM, and debloat all the carrier bullsh** then it runs like a beast.
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I don't have hardware issues. The stock ROM (de-bloated or not) is well known to be sluggish. As I stated in my post, the phone is completely different if running Lineage at the cost of the unique functionality. Aside from many people complaining of the performance under stock as being sluggish, this guy describes it perfectly:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZl2GpxekrQ&t=3s
So I have a slow phone? Holy crap! I had no idea!
Stop spreading FUD, and learn how to do things like disable rctd, ccmd, logging, CPU throttling...
-- Brian
runningnak3d said:
Absolutely it is worth it. You can pick up a V30 with a slightly faster processor, and slightly better camera (and that is debatable) for $250. However, you will lose the replaceable battery, the second screen, the IR blaster.
The people that say they are having performance problems have hardware issues. Even stock non-rooted, runs plenty fast, but if you use Alpha ROM, and debloat all the carrier bullsh** then it runs like a beast.
-- Brian
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So I have a slow phone? Holy crap! I had no idea!
Stop spreading FUD, and learn how to do things like disable rctd, ccmd, logging, CPU throttling...
-- Brian
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Your sarcasm isn't appreciated and I'm not spreading fud - this is fact. I've done lots of tweaking and no amount of it will fix what LG did to the stock ROM. You're acting as if I'm the only person who has pointed out the shortcomings of the V20. The fact is, it is a fantastic phone with bad execution of the OS by LG. To be clear, I still use mine but it will soon be retired to secondary usage as my Mi A1 is way better as a DD.
No, I am sure there are plenty of others out there complaining as well -- that also don't know the first thing about how to get the most out of their phone.
Is the V20 the end-all / be-all? Nope, but it is the last great flagship phone that was released. Everything since is just a waste of money.
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We just bought our T-mobile V20's this year. Great phones for about $150 in excellent used (hard to tell they were used) condition. Great photos and DAC, among other things. We couldn't find anything comparable for that price, new or used.
Mine is still great. Stock, unrooted, H990DS with a zerolemon 10000mAh extended battery. The image retention doesn't bother me - it's not permanent. I use the widescreen camera a lot, and charge the device once every 3-4 days. The IR transmitter sees plenty of use too, as does the DAC and the dual SIM.
There's nothing else that fits my needs. Dreading when it dies.
I just got me V20 H918 in excellent condition with 3 batteries and 4 cases for $185 shipped. I've come from G4 which started to have GPS lock issues, sometimes. My LG G3 GPS is no longer working at all. lol. Not sure what's up with that. Was this fixed in v20 or is this just tear and wear on GPS chip or something?
My main attraction point is camera manual controls and i mean white balance K numbers and mic for loud concert recording as well as removable battery and i prefer bigger screens and 5.7 upgrade from 5.5 on G4 is welcomed too. Oh and DAC was other feature that attracted me as well. What's weird that G4 concert recording was terrible but G3 was fantastic. Never distorted. Hoping V20 has great mic like G3 did. Let me know your thoughts.
I will NOT buy a phone if it doesn't have removable battery as i refuse to spend $800 on phone every few years and be forced by manufacturers due to profit.
Don't know any other manufacturer that lets you do white balance in K values. I wish aperture would be f=1.6 or f1.5 but had no complains with 1.8 on G4. Kinda sucks wide angle is f2.4, as it should be 1.8 or lower. It seems ppl use that camera more often. I guess night shots in standard angle is to use.
Thought about pixel but don't have manual control like LG does. If you guys have any suggestions on used phone <$250 that blows V20 out of water please let me know. I use to be Samsung Galaxy lover but since LG introduced manual controls i switched. There was pro photographer article on G4 camera so ppl that think iphone or samsung has better camera u should read that article. But let me know if there is something better.
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In process of rooting it as i need it for kernel auditor for screen colors profiles (Vomer DeepRich) and kernel i/o scheduler control and kin screen and lux too, among few more other apps. Came with 10u so downgraded to 10p, bootloader unlocked already. Next will be laf exploid root method.
I just reflashed the excellent Alpha ROM on my V20 and managed to rid myself of a significant portion of the sluggishness I mentioned by getting rid of Magisk. I'm not sure what was going on but Magisk was definitely slowing everything down on my V20. Recommend if you buy this phone to stay away from Magisk or at least keep this is mind if you intend to root.
im on Mi A1 right now and im planning also to switch to V20.
Im thinking about buying this phone or the galaxy s7 but im on the edge considering the last lg phone i had was the g4 and it only worked for about a week would you guys recommend this phone or should i look elsewhere
Camera is trash.
Gets update hardly ever.
Outdated.
Don't buy if you use your phone to connect Android auto in your car. It doesn't work.
I've had this phone since release. I'd get the s7 as you'll save a few bucks; have no hassle if you choose to want root and they have fortnite beta exclusivity right now.
LG doesn't give a crap about the users.
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Im thinking about buying this phone or the galaxy s7 but im on the edge considering the last lg phone i had was the g4 and it only worked for about a week would you guys recommend this phone or should i look elsewhere
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Have had this for over a year and also bought one for the wife. Previous phones for both of us were Nexus 5s, also made by LG. Have had zero issues with them. I would say go for it.
Leronzo said:
Im thinking about buying this phone or the galaxy s7 but im on the edge considering the last lg phone i had was the g4 and it only worked for about a week would you guys recommend this phone or should i look elsewhere
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Things I've had problems with and solutions (If applicable)
Camera is not great (I wouldn't say its terrible, and the wide angle camera is super useful), but picture quality isn't great. - use manual mode when you can
lack of voLTE in custom ROMs + Verizon = stuck with stock, because with Verizon you cant make calls or send texts without voLTE, so yeah.... - Don't use Verizon
Wi-Fi issues (This could be just me, but I am STILL trying to get 5GHz Wi-Fi working!) - IDK, might be just me
LTE speeds are meh, the G6 has "Next generation Gigabit LTE" but on Verizon speeds are S***, never see above 5Mb/s unless I'm standing 100ft from a tower.... - Again, DON'T use Verizon
Screen, Stock Saturation is low (Really would have liked LG to put an OLED or AMOLED panel in the G6 - If you're planning to root, Colour Changer Pro works great... (still wish it was OLED)
I recommend an unlocked V30 or a European Unlocked Galaxy S7/8 (the one with the unlocked bootloader)
This phone isn't the best of options. I had the G4 before this phone, and was pretty disappointed. I decided to give LG another chance, but that chance was in vain.
Camera sucks, battery life sucks (unless you mess around with ADB and stuff), game performance sucks, and software support sucks. I have no idea about custom roms or root because my variant is unrootable. I implore you to not buy this phone.
TL;DR: LOOK ELSEWHERE!
The answer is simple-- at what price? This should match your expectations.
It can be a great bargain as a previous year's flagship phone. Unlike the previous comment my experience has been excellent with the phone
The camera is inconsistent but OK (with a great 2nd wide angle camera), especially with Gcam. Battery and performance is pretty good. Screen and LG interface are excellent.
However the updates are infrequent, which bothers some people and not others, and doesn't really affect the usefulness of the device.
But if its more that $200-250 or so there are already better bargain options around.
I'm sure every phone you will read good and bad opinions, it's all about your expectations.
Do not buy
Apart from wide angle camera and screen everything sucks about this phone and that includes - software update, lack of smoothness, front camera, battery.
For all these problem i now keep a secondary phone. (mi redmi note 5 pro.)
Do not waste money on this. or not more than $200
Looking at purchasing a V20 and just wanted people's opinions on the phone (those who already own it and are using it). I can get a new one for $230 from a legit seller on eBay so I'm seriously considering it. Right now I have an iPhone 8+ with AT&T but I'm missing my Android and it would be nice to have a user replaceable battery and not be stuck with a phone whose battery dies after 2 years or so.
I'm also wondering which model to buy? The new one on eBay is a H190, but I've read in places that the US996 is also a good model. I might actually consider rooting this phone so which model would be easiest to root?
Thanks.
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Looking at purchasing a V20 and just wanted people's opinions on the phone (those who already own it and are using it). I can get a new one for $230 from a legit seller on eBay so I'm seriously considering it. Right now I have an iPhone 8+ with AT&T but I'm missing my Android and it would be nice to have a user replaceable battery and not be stuck with a phone whose battery dies after 2 years or so.
I'm also wondering which model to buy? The new one on eBay is a H190, but I've read in places that the US996 is also a good model. I might actually consider rooting this phone so which model would be easiest to root?
Thanks.
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Honestly, I would never suggest someone to buy the LG V20. And since you're currently an iOS user owning an 8+ this would reinforce me to not suggest the phone even more. I own a V20 (H990DS AME) & I'm using it to write this. It's been with me for almost 2 years & boy it throttles A LOT. I'm still on Android nougat waiting for the Oreo update. Other V20 models have gotten the Oreo update (Verizon, AT&T, All international H990DS except AME I think etc.). So to summarize things up, I do not recommend this phone as it will be a pain most of the time i.e. cons >>>>>>>>>>> pros. Screen burn ins, too much lags, bad battery life, slow performance, extremely slow software support, laggy camera, outdated design (at least that's what I think now), and the useless second screen that LG THINKS they implemented the software correctly for it (Oreo doesn't change the way it works, meaning it's still the same) >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi-Fi Quad DAC (The only good thing I can think of in the V20).
PS: NO root for Android Oreo on the V20 since it just came out 1 year late woohoo! So you'll have to wait until a root comes out.
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Looking at purchasing a V20 and just wanted people's opinions on the phone (those who already own it and are using it). I can get a new one for $230 from a legit seller on eBay so I'm seriously considering it. Right now I have an iPhone 8+ with AT&T but I'm missing my Android and it would be nice to have a user replaceable battery and not be stuck with a phone whose battery dies after 2 years or so.
I'm also wondering which model to buy? The new one on eBay is a H190, but I've read in places that the US996 is also a good model. I might actually consider rooting this phone so which model would be easiest to root?
Thanks.
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Here's the deal. If you plan on rooting your phone...get it. Custom ROMs really make this phone shine. Us996 is unlockable and rootable. The H910 is rootable up to a certain point, double check on that as it's not my model. If you're going to keep the phone stock..it's OK. You're going to get some lag over time. I'm on an LS997, rooted it was great (broke that one), and now I'm on stock ? Oreo. It's good for a daily driver for the most part. Love that I can pop and swap batteries as well as sd cards -- quad DAC and ir blaster are also a big plus. Long story short, it's ok stock but you will deal with screen burn (pretty much fixed if rooted) and lag. I know iOS is pretty solid and is fluid, but the things I CANT do with that phone drive me absolutely nuts. That's why I always go back to Android. If you root your phones definitely get it. Can't beat the features for that price brand new. You can pick them up even cheaper used. The guy above me obviously didn't root his phone and I'm sure he'd be singing a different tune about the phone if he did. I say get it, especially if you're gonna root it. If not it's a decent option for the price.
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Honestly, I would never suggest someone to buy the LG V20. And since you're currently an iOS user owning an 8+ this would reinforce me to not suggest the phone even more. I own a V20 (H990DS AME) & I'm using it to write this. It's been with me for almost 2 years & boy it throttles A LOT. I'm still on Android nougat waiting for the Oreo update. Other V20 models have gotten the Oreo update (Verizon, AT&T, All international H990DS except AME I think etc.). So to summarize things up, I do not recommend this phone as it will be a pain most of the time i.e. cons >>>>>>>>>>> pros. Screen burn ins, too much lags, bad battery life, slow performance, extremely slow software support, laggy camera, outdated design (at least that's what I think now), and the useless second screen that LG THINKS they implemented the software correctly for it (Oreo doesn't change the way it works, meaning it's still the same) >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi-Fi Quad DAC (The only good thing I can think of in the V20).
PS: NO root for Android Oreo on the V20 since it just came out 1 year late woohoo! So you'll have to wait until a root comes out.
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I agree with this. Wouldn't recommend it either. You'd be better off with another device.
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Honestly, I would never suggest someone to buy the LG V20. And since you're currently an iOS user owning an 8+ this would reinforce me to not suggest the phone even more. I own a V20 (H990DS AME) & I'm using it to write this. It's been with me for almost 2 years & boy it throttles A LOT. I'm still on Android nougat waiting for the Oreo update. Other V20 models have gotten the Oreo update (Verizon, AT&T, All international H990DS except AME I think etc.). So to summarize things up, I do not recommend this phone as it will be a pain most of the time i.e. cons >>>>>>>>>>> pros. Screen burn ins, too much lags, bad battery life, slow performance, extremely slow software support, laggy camera, outdated design (at least that's what I think now), and the useless second screen that LG THINKS they implemented the software correctly for it (Oreo doesn't change the way it works, meaning it's still the same) >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi-Fi Quad DAC (The only good thing I can think of in the V20).
PS: NO root for Android Oreo on the V20 since it just came out 1 year late woohoo! So you'll have to wait until a root comes out.
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Have you even considered a custom ROM? All of your gripes are pretty much eliminated by using one..
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I agree with this. Wouldn't recommend it either. You'd be better off with another device.
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You're on stock?
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Have you even considered a custom ROM? All of your gripes are pretty much eliminated by using one..
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No. I've tried custom roms. Things are a lot better with them.
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Have you even considered a custom ROM? All of your gripes are pretty much eliminated by using one..
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No actually I haven't tried custom ROMs, and I don't know much about them. However, recently I did start looking into them, but as I can see that installing custom ROMs will remove some functionality in the V20. Things like the second screen &/or the fingerprint scanner (Also what about the Hi-Fi Quad DAC? Will it still work?).
What custom ROM would you suggest as the best one for the V20 (H990DS)?
Thanks for the replies everyone. So if I wanted to go back to Android can you recommend a good phone? I hate the new curved screens on everything and it seems all the phones are starting to look alike. I should have stuck with my Note 5, but oh well live and learn, lol. I was only considering the V20 because of the replaceable battery, SD card and of course Android.
Just out of curiosity, what's your opinion on the V30?
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No actually I haven't tried custom ROMs, and I don't know much about them. However, recently I did start looking into them, but as I can see that installing custom ROMs will remove some functionality in the V20. Things like the second screen &/or the fingerprint scanner (Also what about the Hi-Fi Quad DAC? Will it still work?).
What custom ROM would you suggest as the best one for the V20 (H990DS)?
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Those only apply if your using an lineage/resurrection/aikp ROM and from the last I read lineage has second screen support ...ish. I think there's a way to get quad DAC working in lineage too. You'll have to read it though. I can't root my phone because of ARB but before I broke my last v20 I loved running custom ROMs . If you use a stock rooted ROM you can debloat and tweak the system for performance. Again on custom stock based ROMs all features still work. Go through the ROM recovery thread and look to see what works best for you.
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dougdraws said:
Thanks for the replies everyone. So if I wanted to go back to Android can you recommend a good phone? I hate the new curved screens on everything and it seems all the phones are starting to look alike. I should have stuck with my Note 5, but oh well live and learn, lol. I was only considering the V20 because of the replaceable battery, SD card and of course Android.
Just out of curiosity, what's your opinion on the V30?
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No second screen no removable battery...meh I'll stick with my v20. Like I said if you root it and put a custom ROM on it's in my opinion a far better phone than those available. The newer ones may have water resistance fingerprint scanner in screen etc...but those arent what made me choose a phone. The v20 has everyhing i wanted. As the v30 I hear it's a decent phone.
zeusofyork said:
No second screen no removable battery...meh I'll stick with my v20. Like I said if you root it and put a custom ROM on it's in my opinion a far better phone than those available. The newer ones may have water resistance fingerprint scanner in screen etc...but those arent what made me choose a phone. The v20 has everyhing i wanted. As the v30 I hear it's a decent phone.
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How difficult is it to root the V20? I'm a complete n00b when it comes to rooting and from little I have read on it, it seems quite daunting.
dougdraws said:
How difficult is it to root the V20? I'm a complete n00b when it comes to rooting and from little I have read on it, it seems quite daunting.
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It's not incredibly difficult. There's literally a thread with step by step instructions. It was harder than rooting my note 5 and note 4, but impossibly so.
zeusofyork said:
It's not incredibly difficult. There's literally a thread with step by step instructions. It was harder than rooting my note 5 and note 4, but impossibly so.
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Would you have a link to that thread?
dougdraws said:
Would you have a link to that thread?
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I can't search cause I'm on mobile but if you go to the news and development threat you can search the dirty santa rooting g method or laf method depending in the variant.
The v20 is a very nice phone. In fact I bought another one. It has a SD slot, 64gb onboerd, IR blaster and removable battery. It's worth it just for those features. Mine does not throttle. Neither one does. I just wish people would not buy phones that take away features, it just encourages the phone makers to keep taking them away. As a result, next time I buy a phone, I'll be forced to but an inferior product to my v20's [emoji852]️
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The V20 is a fine device, yes even today so the naysayers and ne'er-do-wells in this thread automagically telling anyone to avoid it - considering everything it offers that can't really be found on most if any of the flagships available today - is a bit ludicrous. It gets the job done just fine, Oreo is now available for it (save for the US996 but that could become available any day now whenever LG gets around to it), and of the variants out there I would say - if you're in the US - the best variant to get is the T-Mobile H918 model which allows for easy bootloader unlocking, Oreo is now out (and we just got our first security patch for that a few days ago), it has some custom ROMs available that get good reviews (but you will lose some functionality, the second screen support is barely there but it does exist to various degrees, both Nougat and Oreo), and of course all the other good things about the phone are great.
The Snapdragon 820 even in spite of being a lowly quad core SoC is still damned powerful and fast. The 4GB RAM is more than enough today, there are a multitude of tweaks and custom kernels to improve things, TWRP is actively developed for the V20, and the device just works. Yes it has some screen retention issues at times, on some people's devices it's more noticeable, on others - like on mine - it's just not something to focus on nearly as much as some people do. The 820 does hardware accelerated h.265 8 and 10 bit decoding too so that's a plus if you're a media hound like a lot of people too.
$230 for a used V20 is kinda steep - I paid $110 for my H918 from an eBay seller and it was shipped to my door for that much, no issues so far aside from the rear camera having some focus issues but I resolved that by buying a new camera module and I'm good to go so I've put $138 into my V20 and it works damned near flawlessly at this point.
H918
- Easily unlocked bootloader
- Installing TWRP is fairly idiot proof as well
- Rooting is possible but a bit more complex in methodology, it's actually easier to just flash a pre-rooted stock ROM and probably faster too
- Stock rooted Oreo 20g and you can roll back to Nougat with no issues (at least up to the present time, nobody knows if T-Mobile might alter the ARB variable at a later time)
- Latest Vulkan GPU drivers (I don't really need them since I don't play games or do much that ever even kicks the GPU into action but I figured it can't hurt to install 'em)
- High Impedance mode for the DAC is enabled permanently because I changed a variable in build.prop so it was always on regardless of the headset/IEMs I use
- I use UAPP (USB Audio Player PRO) to always use the ESS DAC (and not the Snapdragon DAC as part of the SoC) for all audio playback of local files and streaming audio from Shoutcast-capable streams
- IR blaster is something I use quite a bit - my Wife is deaf and sometimes we'll go to places that have TVs like a doctor's office lobby or something similar and they rarely enable the closed captioning or subtitles on their TVs so, I do it myself so my Wife can keep up with what's going on even in spite of their inconsiderate attention to details
- Modified thermal config file to ensure I get minimal lag and throttling - using the CPU Throttling Test app I get no less than 83% throttling (not much at all really) after 15 minutes of testing, with the stock thermal conf it'll throttle down as low as 45% depending on temps
- mk2000 kernel which improves performance and battery life (modified stock kernel)
It just works for me, but as I said, you can find a great V20 for a lot less than $230, absolutely. Hell, Woot.com was selling refurbs a few weeks ago for $140 iirc, a lot of people pounced on those when it happened according to what I had read about the deal.
It's a fantastic piece of hardware, but not it's not perfect, nothing ever is. For the price, and for what it offers, it's still pretty damned hard to beat even today.
dougdraws said:
Thanks for the replies everyone. So if I wanted to go back to Android can you recommend a good phone? I hate the new curved screens on everything and it seems all the phones are starting to look alike. I should have stuck with my Note 5, but oh well live and learn, lol. I was only considering the V20 because of the replaceable battery, SD card and of course Android.
Just out of curiosity, what's your opinion on the V30?
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I actually have a v30 plus at home and it's amazing. Display is gorgeous and an AMOLED panel. Battery life is good. Camera's great. Has HiFi DAC. Doesn't have screen retention issues.
The reason I'm not recommending v20 is because it's a 2016 flagship that doesn't really perform like a flagship on stock rom in terms of performance. It probably won't be getting Pie update.
For 230 dollars, if you don't mind rooting, it's a good device.
What's the cost at which you're getting V30?
Though it doesn't support removable battery.
dougdraws said:
How difficult is it to root the V20? I'm a complete n00b when it comes to rooting and from little I have read on it, it seems quite daunting.
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Rooting on the H918 (T-Mobile) version isn't that hard. You use a FWUL (Linux) and run 3 commands. Really easy and safe. The other models can vary but if you know how to use cmd even a little bit, it shouldn't be that hard. If you need help just ask on here.
Foreigner1 said:
I own a V20 (H990DS AME) & I'm using it to write this. I'm still on Android nougat waiting for the Oreo update. Other V20 models have gotten the Oreo update (Verizon, AT&T, All international H990DS except AME I think etc.). Screen burn ins, too much lags, bad battery life, slow performance, extremely slow software support, laggy camera, and the useless second screen that LG THINKS they implemented the software correctly for it (Oreo doesn't change the way it works, meaning it's still the same). Hi-Fi Quad DAC (The only good thing I can think of in the V20).
PS: NO root for Android Oreo on the V20 since it just came out 1 year late woohoo! So you'll have to wait until a root comes out.
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FYI: https://forum.xda-developers.com/v20/development/rom-h990ds-oreo-flashable-t3853735
There's flashable Oreo stock and custom rooted ROMs available for almost every variant.
Also, all of those problems are eliminated by a custom ROM and Kernel. It's a process, yes, but the phone essentially becomes something else entirely.
Also also, we've got second-screen support on ResurrectionRemix (this is most up to date) and LineageOS, both with the stock ROM kernel or a custom one (I maintain the second-screen Gamma kernel).
The DAC/Camera/etc. all work as they do on stock.
got it for 2000 hkd. still using wetarom....is fast as hell and the battery last forever... the only down side is it requires some tweaking and tuning..
masondoctorjt said:
The v20 is a very nice phone. In fact I bought another one. It has a SD slot, 64gb onboerd, IR blaster and removable battery. It's worth it just for those features.
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Bottom line
I just wish people would not buy phones that take away features, it just encourages the phone makers to keep taking them away. As a result, next time I buy a phone, I'll be forced to but an inferior product to my v20's [emoji852]️
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Amen
What's happened is at some point the customer stopped mattering any more only the company stock holder. All these companies copy things that make Apple suck they never try to emulate what makes Apple great.
dougdraws said:
Looking at purchasing a V20 and just wanted people's opinions on the phone (those who already own it and are using it).
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I'm on stock since i didn't want to bother with rooting. The phone does what i want. I don't have screen retention since i have brightness down. I suspect its caused by high brightness all the time. Some people can't see the screen unless its 70% bright. Mine is usually in the 20s or 30s unless its outdoors
I got it because of the camera i had on the G4. Liked the interface. The wide angle is useful. Starting to be copied by Samsung & Huawei
I don't use headphones but I hear its got a good DAC. Reason i don't have headphones is because increasingly where would i plug them into in the future
Still on N, and everything works fine. I avg 4-5h SOT on wifi and a spare will double that in a snap. No high end phone can match that and likely never will. Mid rangers with 600 series CPUS & thick batteries might.
I find the second screen useful. Only way to quick launch the camera while listening to something
I'm not too bothered with speed. Computers spend most of their lives waiting for people to tell them what to do. This phone runs cool maybe its because it throttles past a certain temperature. That's good as i live in the tropics and it can get warm here.
I'm actually nervous about Oreo that it might break something so i'm not in the slightest bit bothered about not having it yet.
I have some option between G6, V30 and Nokia 8.
While the V30 and Nokia 8 have better specs (mainly SD 835), they're also significantly expensive. Also Nokia 8 is quite hard to find.
For reference I can get
G6 for around 90-100$
V30 for around 160-180$
Nokia 8 for 150-160$
I'm mainly leaning towards G6 due to it being cheaper, so this is what I want to know; Is the G6 any good in 2020? Can you do some light gaming on it?
Go with the V30, it no brainer above mentioned.
DuringSummer said:
I have some option between G6, V30 and Nokia 8.
While the V30 and Nokia 8 have better specs (mainly SD 835), they're also significantly expensive. Also Nokia 8 is quite hard to find.
For reference I can get
G6 for around 90-100$
V30 for around 160-180$
Nokia 8 for 150-160$
I'm mainly leaning towards G6 due to it being cheaper, so this is what I want to know; Is the G6 any good in 2020? Can you do some light gaming on it?
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G6 is fine. Just don't update to Pie, even if it is available.
Oreo runs fine, takes decent photos (although v30 is better). Slight lag but not really a problem.
Screen is perfect size
I still have mine after 2 1/2 years. Battery is starting to show its age, but still basically gets through the day
Also, make sure you get a version that can be unlocked if you like to tinker
Agree.
It shipped with the leading edge hardware for the time, still competitive today. I bought my lg g6 because it is the best bargain for the power and performance (very good screen, great camera, very good performance, etc).
Don't update to 9.0 if you want to access the root through known 8.0 vulnerability and don't have a model that's easily rooted (h873 for example).
The ones that have easy root have the latest xda firmwares posted - just make sure it's unlocked.
You'll want to hunt down the specific models that have the quad high quality audio dac if you love great music, or the lg g6+ model (had more ram I believe and the dac).
Used models - check the audio jack when you get it. It has the rare issue where the metal contact visible from above might get bent out of shape, resulting in poor/no audio with headphones.
A very gentle bending with a sewing needle fixes that usually.
LCD does have slight temporary burn in.
E.g. If kept on a web page without scrolling glut a long time on high brightness, then display a gray screen, you can see the faint text ghosting for a little bit. Goes away quickly, and usually never visible. I'm thinking it's partially due to the always on display option and the nature of the lcd used.
Main camera is really good - high detail and quality.
Wide camera is good, lacks the optical stabilization (only digital stab.) and fine detail of the main camera, but very handy and good daylight.
Manual mode is great - can set it to take 30 second shots on a tripod at night and get like-day shots.
Overall, if you've used the lg g2, like that but better.
And still very fast and useable today for gaming, web, etc.
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Also, make sure you get a version that can be unlocked if you like to tinker
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Can G600L be unlocked? Or at least rooted?
adorable said:
Agree.
It shipped with the leading edge hardware for the time, still competitive today. I bought my lg g6 because it is the best bargain for the power and performance (very good screen, great camera, very good performance, etc).
Don't update to 9.0 if you want to access the root through known 8.0 vulnerability and don't have a model that's easily rooted (h873 for example).
The ones that have easy root have the latest xda firmwares posted - just make sure it's unlocked.
You'll want to hunt down the specific models that have the quad high quality audio dac if you love great music, or the lg g6+ model (had more ram I believe and the dac).
Used models - check the audio jack when you get it. It has the rare issue where the metal contact visible from above might get bent out of shape, resulting in poor/no audio with headphones.
A very gentle bending with a sewing needle fixes that usually.
LCD does have slight temporary burn in.
E.g. If kept on a web page without scrolling glut a long time on high brightness, then display a gray screen, you can see the faint text ghosting for a little bit. Goes away quickly, and usually never visible. I'm thinking it's partially due to the always on display option and the nature of the lcd used.
Main camera is really good - high detail and quality.
Wide camera is good, lacks the optical stabilization (only digital stab.) and fine detail of the main camera, but very handy and good daylight.
Manual mode is great - can set it to take 30 second shots on a tripod at night and get like-day shots.
Overall, if you've used the lg g2, like that but better.
And still very fast and useable today for gaming, web, etc.
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Thank You!
"Koren model of the G6 can't be unlocked, only H870 european version and US977 unlocked version. But root is possible in H872, H870 and US977. If you flash another version ROM you can brick your device or may work but with some errors, it is recommended to not do it. "
What about H872? I've heard it is unlocked?
this is an awesome phone for the money but...
I just lost my g6( h872? T-mo?) last week. I bought it off Craigslist on a whim, normally I do heavy research first. I thought I could root it easy, but it turned out to be way more with than I was willing to go through in the end. ( I think because it was updated)
I play COD mobile everyday, I had a iPhone 7 when cod mobile came out which I bought on another whim from a buddy, knowing that I could sell it pretty fast once I was done with it. It played cod pretty smooth but at the time there's no controller support and I knew I could link a controller to Android so I bought the G6.
I never got it to run smooth on the G6 I saw that other people had problems playing pub g and what not. I de bloated it as much as I could without root. Tried disabling and force stopping every app I could. part of the reason I bought it is the ant tutu benchmark was better than iPhone 7 I was using, so I assumed it would be as smooth.
my phone had problems with the headphone jack with static I never tried to fix it wasn't a big deal I only use it when I plugged it into my car. If I wasn't using the Bluetooth. Also I did have the moisture detection problem which became a nuisance. (The phone annoyingly warned you that it detects moisture in your charging port and it stops you from charging) one user on here actually had sent his back and they repaired it LG saying that it was a hardware problem.
I just picked up a pixel two for $80 with the spygen case and a screen protector and this thing is fast and smooth and it's got two large speakers on the front, even though I normally play with headphones. , I just got done playing Battle Royale warfare f****** no problem. I can play on much higher settings and it's much smoother than my G6 was.
I did get a smoking deal because the corner was cracked on the back which I don't give a crap about. But ifhad not found this I was going to buy a G7 off of eBay there's a few on there between $90 and $120 that are factory refurbs. I saw at least one that offered a return policy if there was a problem with it.
That being said when I lost my g6, I reactivated my iPhone 7 just to find out that had a hardware problem with the radio. Every couples hours it says no signal, so I bought the pixel 2 just to have a good phone. I may or may not keep it, I didn't really check the features, I think the G6 and G7 over a lot more features. I didn't check to see if this had wireless charging, also I don't think this takes a memory card (I just bought this).
I noticed on phone arena it whatever, the G6 didn't have VOLTE? Not sure...I wouldn't say it had the best call clarity.
I may still buy one of those g7s off of eBay and then see which one of these phones I want and sell the other one.
Edit: also unlocking the screen/phone wasn't smooth for me, maybe I was doing it wrong. Lack of power button sux.
Why people recommend not update to Pie? just for root purposes?
RealALCoL said:
Why people recommend not update to Pie? just for root purposes?
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You get better battery but worse performance
Edit: it might be the other way around
LeeTG3 said:
You get better battery but worse performance
Edit: it might be the other way around
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Fortunately, I have better performance and the same worse battery :silly:
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Why people recommend not update to Pie? just for root purposes?
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Because people are TOO LAZY to do the proper factory reset after the upgrade, which should be done ALWAYS after major OS upgrade.
My G6 is running Pie since it was available and I can only say that it made this phone much, much better. Overall smoothness, headphone audio quality... quite a lot of improvements. And battery life is great, too.
How to get sim card configuration settings? Cause no call no data, service is blocked.