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Im using froyostone v2 and at this moment battery drains only 1% for over one and half-hour (from 44% to 43%) on standy.its impossible though . but then i just noticed the batt temp is 25c because my hd2 a bit cold because of air conditioner.
in regards of one gadget that shut itself down when overheating.
do you think batt juice going friendly when its cold?
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ginjopowder said:
Im using froyostone v2 and at this moment battery drains only 1% for over one and half-hour (from 44% to 43%) on standy.its impossible though . but then i just noticed the batt temp is 25c because my hd2 a bit cold because of air conditioner.
in regards of one gadget that shut itself down when overheating.
do you think batt juice going friendly when its cold?
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it is possible that your phone drains only 1% battery in one and half hour. If you want to monitor the current(for better understanding on how your battery is draining) try current widget from the market and enable logging to the file. My phone loses about 8-10% battery in standby when kept overnight. That's about 1% per hour.
And to answer your question I don't think keeping the battery cold would help with the battery performance. if the battery is hot it sure hurts the performance but I don't believe its true the other way. Its just my experience...don't have any technical proof for this belief!
yes im using 'currentwidget' and it drains 7mA. battery meter using 'battstat'.
just now i've installed 'batteryminder' to get more scientific explanation on this. and i'll try to get it colder
i'll post my report
currentwidget log
hardik119 said:
it is possible that your phone drains only 1% battery in one and half hour. If you want to monitor the current(for better understanding on how your battery is draining) try current widget from the market and enable logging to the file. My phone loses about 8-10% battery in standby when kept overnight. That's about 1% per hour.
And to answer your question I don't think keeping the battery cold would help with the battery performance. if the battery is hot it sure hurts the performance but I don't believe its true the other way. Its just my experience...don't have any technical proof for this belief!
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hmm i never make log on currentwidget. i'll activate this too then
im doing some googling and found this interesting article- although this article explain NimH Battery but think in chemical way they are bothers in hell :
http://www.mpoweruk.com/life.htm
Temperature effects (on battery)
Chemical reactions internal to the battery are driven either by voltage or temperature. The hotter the battery, the faster chemical reactions will occur. High temperatures can thus provide increased performance, but at the same time the rate of the unwanted chemical reactions will increase resulting in a corresponding loss of battery life. The shelf life and charge retention depend on the self discharge rate and self discharge is the result of an unwanted chemical reaction in the cell. Similarly adverse chemical reactions such as passivation of the electrodes, corrosion and gassing are common causes of reduced cycle life. Temperature therefore affects both the shelf life and the cycle life as well as charge retention since they are all due to chemical reactions. Even batteries which are specifically designed around high temperature chemical reactions, (such as Zebra batteries) are not immune to heat induced failures which are the result of parasitic reactions within the cells.
The Arrhenius equation defines the relationship between temperature and the rate at which a chemical action proceeds. It shows that the rate increases exponentially as temperature rises. As a rule of thumb, for every 10 °C increase in temperature the reaction rate doubles. Thus, an hour at 35 °C is equivalent in battery life to two hours at 25 °C. Heat is the enemy of the battery and as Arrhenius shows, even small increases in temperature will have a major influence on battery performance affecting both the desired and undesired chemical reactions.
interesting find! can you experiment further and let everyone know?
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA app on froyo mattc 1.5
okay this is pretty amazing , so when we go to sleep put the phone in the refrigerator
Veldmuus said:
okay this is pretty amazing , so when we go to sleep put the phone in the refrigerator
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since 1hour in 35C = 2hours in 25C, so, under 0C = not losing power at all! :O
Hey everyone,
I'm kind of a noob when it comes to all things XDA (but I'm learning.) Anyways, I was wondering what kind of battery life you all get from the different ROMs you've flashed.
So far I've only flashed Nero, Bionix, and Flagship. I had pretty good battery life from Nero, but I was wondering what kind of battery life that you've experienced with other ROMs like Axura and Trigger (because with Bionix and Flagship, my battery life has been fugazi.)
Thanks in advance, y'all.
Sorry if this topic comes up often.
With axura my battery lasts 16 hours with possibly 600+ texts and youtube alot music about 1 hour a few phone calls alot of web.
I only need it to last 12 hours because I charge overnight so I'm good.
I reconditioned too btw
Does reconditioning actually improve battery life or does it simply make the battery indicator more accurate?
It makes it more accurate. Which in terms helps battery because it reads it perfect so ull last longer
Axura is widely considered to have the best battery life. After flashing a new rom you should let your phone charge to 100% and then wipe battery stats in CWM recovery. It can take several days for reading to be taken from the battery so your battery life will usually improve over time.
Hey, I just wanted to thank you all for your input. I decided to go with the latest version of Axura, and so far I've been loving it. I'm not even a day in and I've noticed a difference.
Thanks once again.
+1 On Axura best battery life........
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Hey everyone,
I'm kind of a noob when it comes to all things XDA (but I'm learning.) Anyways, I was wondering what kind of battery life you all get from the different ROMs you've flashed.
So far I've only flashed Nero, Bionix, and Flagship. I had pretty good battery life from Nero, but I was wondering what kind of battery life that you've experienced with other ROMs like Axura and Trigger (because with Bionix and Flagship, my battery life has been fugazi.)
Thanks in advance, y'all.
Sorry if this topic comes up often.
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first thing to do is
Charge Until 100%
choose rom
Run The Phone All Day, Let It Die
Charge Until 100%
Reboot Into Recovery
Select Reinstall Packages (Do it again if needed)
Select Advanced
Select Wipe Battery Stats
Laazyboy said:
Does reconditioning actually improve battery life or does it simply make the battery indicator more accurate?
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Neither. "Conditioning" skews the discharge curve from which the battery indicator indexes it percentages. As a result, the battery appears to discharge at slower rate ("better battery life") over the first two-thirds or so of the discharge cycle and then craters like a lead balloon at the end of the discharge cycle. (You really need to have a battery indicator that shows discharge in 1% increments, such as "blue segmented battery mod" to see this.)
To understand this requires a light understanding of the so-called "battery stat tables." There is an entry in the battery stat tables for each percentage of remaining battery charge, in increments of 1%. So, the table contains entries 100%, 99%,... down to 1%. Associated with each percent of remaining charge entry in the table is a battery terminal voltage and a timestamp. Unfortunately, the smart phone cannot measure actual remaining battery charge. All the system knows is a series of battery terminal voltage measurement taken at even periodic intervals. The algorithm builds the battery stat table to relate each measured voltage to a corresponding “percentage of remaining charge” entry in the table. In normal operation, the system accumulates these measurements over several charge/discharge cycles and analyzes the rates of changes of voltages to refine the discharge curve. After several charge/discharge cycles the percentages, which are displayed on the screen as a battery indicator, become more refined and accurate.
At some point someone apparently thought that it would be a good idea to attempt to manipulate the process of building the battery stat tables. This resulted in the so-called "conditioning procedure." The conditioning procedure consists of fully charging the battery, then deleting the battery stats, and then draining the battery quickly and completely using heavy loads, perhaps in 1 to 2 hours.
What this accomplishes is that the battery stat mechanism builds a new, steep discharge curve based upon the rapid discharge operation. This crude, initial discharge curve has "learned" that the battery should discharge quickly, because it did so during its "training” discharge. More specifically, each "percentage discharge" entry for the first 1/2 to 2/3 of the discharge curve (corresponding to the first 50-75 table entries) will be associated with an abnormally lower voltage (due to the faster rate of decrease in voltage during the "training" discharge cycle) than would be the case if the table had been built normally, over time.
Now, let us think about what happens during the subsequent discharge cycle. We charge the battery to full. Now we begin to use the phone normally, discharging the unit over a period of 12-18 hours, for example. Now the phone experiences a slower rate of change of battery voltage over time, because the load is much lower than that of the forced "training" discharge. Now the algorithm measures a voltage and then attempts to map that voltage to a corresponding percentage discharge table entry. The result is that the battery indicator on the phone shows a very low rate of discharge over many hours. This leads people to erroneously conclude that the "battery conditioning" procedure results in improved battery life. However, this is merely an illusion. The battery indicator is, at this point, simply displaying an incorrect number for the remaining battery life. As a consequence, the battery indicator must "catch up with reality" later in the discharge cycle. This is manifested toward the end of the discharge cycle as the battery indicator drops precipitously from perhaps 35% to zero in a very small amount of time. In any case, fortunately, the weirdness done by "battery conditioning" goes away within a few days as the battery stat algorithm tunes the discharge curve each discharge cycle to bring it ever further in line with the actual average usage of the phone owner. It is a myth that the battery stats become inaccurate over time. To the contrary, the algorithm continuously tunes the tables based upon usage patterns so that the battery indicator becomes more and more accurate.
I do not know where this practice originated, but I do have a cynical hypothesis. The ROM cookers typically mix-and-match code elements from different software releases and otherwise change up the timing, sequencing, etc. of various processes. Doing so may have battery life consequences, because the resulting mish-mash of components may hinder or prevent sleep mode operation, cause processes to run for more time than they should, etc. You can see how "battery conditioning" could mask an acute battery performance problem during the first few hours after a person has flashed a ROM and is watching performance characteristics especially closely. ‘Nuf said on this subject.
Sample battery discharge chart and accompanying notes attached below.
soltheman said:
Hey everyone,
I'm kind of a noob when it comes to all things XDA (but I'm learning.) Anyways, I was wondering what kind of battery life you all get from the different ROMs you've flashed.
So far I've only flashed Nero, Bionix, and Flagship. I had pretty good battery life from Nero, but I was wondering what kind of battery life that you've experienced with other ROMs like Axura and Trigger (because with Bionix and Flagship, my battery life has been fugazi.)
Thanks in advance, y'all.
Sorry if this topic comes up often.
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Tutorial for tuning system to increase battery life here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=823025&page=4
xriderx66 said:
With axura my battery lasts 16 hours with possibly 600+ texts and youtube alot music about 1 hour a few phone calls alot of web.
I only need it to last 12 hours because I charge overnight so I'm good.
I reconditioned too btw
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600 texts in 16 hours is nearly 38 texts an hour, 4,200 texts a week, 18,000 texts every month. WTFBBQ?
First charge brightness set at 50%
What is everyone else getting
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First charge brightness set at 50%
What is everyone else getting
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That looks pretty damn good.
I was just about to post a thread. Something is draining my battery life and causing Android System to be the highest battery usage. Check out below.
DrexelDragon said:
That looks pretty damn good.
I was just about to post a thread. Something is draining my battery life and causing Android System to be the highest battery usage. Check out below.
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Can you repost your pictures? They don't seem to be working.
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What is your brightness set at
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What is your brightness set at
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Auto brightness.
Not to jack your thread.
But I used my iphone at work to watch videos, ect while there is downtime. I usually watch while it's also on the charger
For the Note series, does anyone know if that "kills" my battery for long term?
I know you can replace battery, but just wondering for future use.
Thanks.
Issue with battery drain due to android system is real
All three people I know that just got the Note 4 were experiencing the same issue I had with excess battery drain with the always generic "android system" taking more battery than anything else including the screen.
I downloaded an app called "System Tuner" and looked the CPU% for Android system and it was a constant 3-4% when the phone was otherwise idle.
I found a post at http://support.t-mobile.com/thread/80459 where they were experiencing the same issue (lose around 12% battery an hour with android system taking a huge chunk of battery). The person from that post was able to address the issue by turning location off, rebooting, turning location on, and rebooting again. After I did this I saw Android system idle at ~0.6% - 1.1% instead. So far I'm getting much better battery life but I'll need to give it some time to know for sure.
Hope this helps!
mine took about 2 full days for everything to finish syncing, downloading, indexing, etc. I had books, news articles, pinned music from google play, etc.
Once that happened, everything is now "normalized" and I'm getting better battery life than I was with the note 3.
Juk3s said:
Not to jack your thread.
But I used my iphone at work to watch videos, ect while there is downtime. I usually watch while it's also on the charger
For the Note series, does anyone know if that "kills" my battery for long term?
I know you can replace battery, but just wondering for future use.
Thanks.
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Short answer: Maybe, it depends on how you are doing it. Using it while it is charging is not necessarily bad but watching videos and keeping it plugged in while the cell voltage is pegged at 100% will likely deteriorate your battery faster.
Long answer + tips:
Lithium ion batteries are great - they are light, can be made very thin and have excellent energy density but they are also very finiky.
Things to avoid doing with a lithium ion battery
-Charging to 100%, leaving it plugged in overnight is a poor practice(high cell voltages reduce the service life*, stopping the charge at 90%[4.10v] can double the service life, stopping the charge at 80%[4.00v] can quadruple the service life.*)
- Discharging the battery to below ~20% (Li-Ion batteries are somewhat sensitive to deep discharges)
-Charging/exposing Li-Ion to elevated temps or below freezing.
*service life is defined by when a battery can only retain 70% of its rated capacity. Most consumer batteries used in mobile devices have a service life of 500 charge discharge cycles.
It is not uncommon for batteries to lose 30% capacity in 1.5 years or less. Changing your charging and handling habits can double or quadruple a batteries life span.
DrexelDragon said:
That looks pretty damn good.
I was just about to post a thread. Something is draining my battery life and causing Android System to be the highest battery usage. Check out below.
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LOL your picture took up have my damn screen on my 1080p laptop with 15.7 in screen. It was crystal clear too.
On my 2nd charge, auto brightness. Pretty freakin' amazing battery life....
15.5 hours off the charger with 8+ screen on time!
I got awful battery life on the first charge cycle. It drained 50% overnight. 2nd charge has lasted amazingly long and I still have 64% after 12hrs of average use.
First charge. Battery life has been phenomenal. Brightness on auto.
Did u use any power saving features to achieve that time?
Did u use any power saving features to achieve that time?
Definitely improve battery with recent update and I'm a power user
After the latest update
I dont know why but my phone goes from 100-90 in less than a hr with minimal use while the screen is set at auto, also in the leaving it unplugged in the night the battery also drains like 5 points.
I've been at full brightness and using the hell out of it non stop so far, and I'm at 35% with screen on time at 3hrs 40 min.
No update
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Hello,
I read in the internet that is not recomended charge 100% the phone's battery. It's about the battery life. I want to know if it is really true....
Sorry my bad english :cyclops:
Maybe if you want to keep the phone for 5 years you'll notice a difference in battery life by keeping it charged between 20-80% but rarely does anyone do this.
True? Yes, it is. In the same way that it's true that a (properly done) overclock on a CPU will shorten it's lifespam. Yes the overclock will shorten the CPU's lifespam, from 20 years to maybe 15.
Your battery will degrade regardless but by the time it becomes an issue, you'll probably have moved on to a new phone anyway.
peachpuff said:
Maybe if you want to keep the phone for 5 years you'll notice a difference in battery life by keeping it charged between 20-80% but rarely does anyone do this.
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But charging the battery in only 80% means that I will have less SOT before charge again
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But charging the battery in only 80% means that I will have less SOT before charge again
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The theory behind this apparently is that how battery likes to be in certain battery levels based on the voltage.
Based on what I understand, the phone/battery likes it better if battery is not less than 20 and not more than 80.
This means that if you charge between 20 - 80, you can have a lot more charge cycles as compared to 0 - 100. This could also mean that the battery can last longer in terms of longevity.
But as mentioned, not many people does that unless they are looking to keep their phone for more than 3 years.
These are based on my limited understanding and my own experiences.
You can google battery university if you need more info.
Tony_Starkus said:
But charging the battery in only 80% means that I will have less SOT before charge again
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albel said:
The theory behind this apparently is that how battery likes to be in certain battery levels based on the voltage.
Based on what I understand, the phone/battery likes it better if battery is not less than 20 and not more than 80.
This means that if you charge between 20 - 80, you can have a lot more charge cycles as compared to 0 - 100. This could also mean that the battery can last longer in terms of longevity.
But as mentioned, not many people does that unless they are looking to keep their phone for more than 3 years.
These are based on my limited understanding and my own experiences.
You can google battery university if you need more info.
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Most of the information here is correct I have an am always doing battery tests research and such
80% and 20% are the magic number for maximum overall life of a battery...
Also no on mentions heat and cold also degrades the cells inside
I also recomend if you make it through the day shutting off fast charge......
If you think about it it is simmilar to any other battery,
Take a car for example I know i know lead battery vs lith ion but slow charging is the best method for any types of battery life in the long run.... it does not excite any of the ions as much as fast charging......
Fast charging on auto batteries is what we call a surface charge it quickly excites the electrons for a quick zap of juice but then over all that spreads out among all of the rest of the electrons quickly draining and shortning over life....
Slow charge generates less heat as well as does what we call a deep charge....Which is better of coarse I have had automotive batteries say like in my eclipse its 9 years old and it was a 800 amp battery and even after 9 years now
It retains over 650 amps on battery tests because i slow charge it once a month for a couple days be it need it or not..
Also if you guys are over worried and snap dragon try part cyborg rom the engineering kernel used by samdung only allow for a 80% charge.....I get more screen on time than stock on less charge because it is optimized so well....any where from 6 to 8.5+ hours and that is more than enough more my needs....
Also wireless chargers generate heat which degrade life on batts cells.....
I can get way more into detail on any of these if any one wishes
TheMadScientist said:
Most of the information here is correct I have an am always doing battery tests research and such
80% and 20% are the magic number for maximum overall life of a battery...
Also no on mentions heat and cold also degrades the cells inside
I also recomend if you make it through the day shutting off fast charge......
If you think about it it is simmilar to any other battery,
Take a car for example I know i know lead battery vs lith ion but slow charging is the best method for any types of battery life in the long run.... it does not excite any of the ions as much as fast charging......
Fast charging on auto batteries is what we call a surface charge it quickly excites the electrons for a quick zap of juice but then over all that spreads out among all of the rest of the electrons quickly draining and shortning over life....
Slow charge generates less heat as well as does what we call a deep charge....Which is better of coarse I have had automotive batteries say like in my eclipse its 9 years old and it was a 800 amp battery and even after 9 years now
It retains over 650 amps on battery tests because i slow charge it once a month for a couple days be it need it or not..
Also if you guys are over worried and snap dragon try part cyborg rom the engineering kernel used by samdung only allow for a 80% charge.....I get more screen on time than stock on less charge because it is optimized so well....any where from 6 to 8.5+ hours and that is more than enough more my needs....
Also wireless chargers generate heat which degrade life on batts cells.....
I can get way more into detail on any of these if any one wishes
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Have just started reading about s8 stuff and have not rooted yet. Does the kernel allow you to set maximum charge? I remember back on sgs1 specific kernels allowed this but haven't seen it much since then
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Have just started reading about s8 stuff and have not rooted yet. Does the kernel allow you to set maximum charge? I remember back on sgs1 specific kernels allowed this but haven't seen it much since then
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no samsung preset it at 80% and since the bootloaders locked no way to modify it
Ahh I see. Thanks for clearing that up. Looks like since I'm on oreo now I'm stuck without root so I won't be playing with any of that stuff. Have a good one!
So this phone has had a really good battery for me throughout its lifetime. I've even tried to maintain it between 20 and 80% charge most of the time. So I believe I've treated it quite well.
I'm using AccuBattery to track the behaviour of the battery. to notify me of the charge level when I should unplug it (I can automate this in my smart home). A good discharge rate for when the screen is off used to be around 0.5%/hour, but recently the phone has been wasting 1-2%/hour consistenly when not in use.
I've noticed no unusual wakelocks, no apps drawing an unusual amount of energy, I've tried restarting the phone of course, and I can't seem to find a software cause to it.
AccuBattery reports my current battery health at 84%. My conclusion so far is that the battery has aged a little and can no longer sustain its capacity as well as it used to when the screen is off. Also, the discharge rate with the screen on used to be around 10% an hour, and now it's closer to 15%.
Any thoughts and suggestions?
Replace it before it fails.
When a Li falls below 80% of its original capacity it has reached the end of its service life.
A degraded Li is more likely to fail which can seriously damage the phone.
Thank you for the answer, but I believe that's a bit drastic.
The battery has barely started to noticeably age. There are phones around me 3-4 years old where no one would think to replace the battery yet, since the behaviour is not erratic or the capacity hasn't gone considerably, or to an extent that decreases the phone's usability.
Another piece of data that I forgot to mention: AccuBattery shows "deep sleep" time as around 60% of time when the screen is off, while that used to be 80-90%. I think this behaviour started with MIUI 12 on this phone.
Still trying to figure this out. I suppose the higher battery consumption per hour when not in use is directly caused by the lower deep sleep time.
Quaresma_7 said:
Still trying to figure this out. I suppose the higher battery consumption per hour when not in use is directly caused by the lower deep sleep time.
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Cloud apps doing backup are prime offenders.
Trashware like FB, WhatsApp etc.
Try in safe mode overnight to narrow it down.
I've just deleted/disabled Lite Messenger and FB Services, I only need FB Lite. Set battery optimization for a few more suspicious apps to not allow them to run in background.
Whatsapp is a useful app for me, and it does its local backup every night at exactly 2 am. I'm fine with that.
But I've got that low deep sleep time both during the day and night.
Next thing I'll try safe mode. But will it allow me to run AccuBattery in order to track the battery draw? Or I'll have to keep track myself of the percentage before going to sleep and then in the morning.
Lol, Accubattery is a 3rd party app...