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Hi everyone ,
I thought of getting the s7 edge but the 10 was pretty impressive. Which should I go for ? I flash Roms a lot and will definitely root it. I will be getting it unlocked for sure.
I had the HTC ONE M8. My contract was up this year. I went for the S7 EDGE and aside from missing the IR blaster, I don't regret it. However the lack of decent tempered glass screen protectors for the S7E is irritating.
That said, if the Edge model did not exist and the choice was between regular S7 and HTC 10, I would have stuck with HTC. The Edge uniqueness pipped it for me. I actually use the Edge UI quite a bit.
FYI some more background, I left Samsung years ago and switched to HTC for two reasons 1) fed up with TouchWiz and bloat ware 2) plastic materials. Something I felt HTC were addressing with their Sense and metal materials. I've gone full circle again. TouchWiz is less bloated now and actually enjoyable to use. And the hardware feels premium.
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Are you getting the international S7? Because AFAIK, The US models don't support unlocking/root... so that's a big negative. Also, I never had a good experience using an international Note 5 on T-Mobile USA's network (if you're US based).
Each phone has pro's and cons. The S7 is certainly more polished right now, but HTC has been pushing updates daily to fix issues. Performance should ideally be faster on the HTC just because it is less bloated. I really appreciate HTC embracing stock Android as much as possible. I'll give you a quick rundown of my opinion on the devices... I'm having such a hard time deciding, I actually just ordered both and plan on using them back and forth to hopefully decide which I will use until the next Nexus or Note 6.
S7E:
+Insanely fast autofocus... camera is reliable right now. Better manual controls
+Great sunlight brightness
+Waterproof
+OLED screen
+Unique design
+Larger screen
+Huge battery
+Better slow motion video, and 60 FPS video
+Wireless charging
+UFS storage speeds
-micro-USB, v2.0
-TouchWiz
-No root capability for US models yet?
-Fingerprint reader is slower and must press power button
-Curved edges can distort colors (turn blue/green) on white browsing screens
HTC 10:
+Brighter screen in manual brightness
+High fidelity speakers and headphone jack, DAC/amps. High-res audio recording
+Lighter OS
+Better looking display whites
+Type C USB, v3.1
+Unlocked bootloader
+Better front and rear camera hardware (bigger pixels, OIS on front - software needs more polishing)
+$599 after discount code
-eMMC storage speeds
-Smaller display
-Only splash resilient
-Small battery for thickness
-No sunlight brightness boost mode
-LCD contrast (very good, but still nowhere near OLED)
If the 10 were OLED and 5.5", it would have been the perfect phone...
I love HTC, but now, i would pick the S7 edge.
Htc 10 is a good device. The S7Edge is a great device. You pretty much get the best components on the market. Htc 10 asks way too high of a price for what it offers, using emmc storage, bad optics for the camera, OIS not so good either, display is not that good unless you get a specific brand (basically a lottery), it gets too hot too fast ( search htc 10 forums)
The only reason you might wanna consider the 10 is maybe audio, not that its that much better than the S7Edge exynos. Samsung pretty much created the best device money can get to date.
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Htc 10 is a good device. The S7Edge is a great device. You pretty much get the best components on the market. Htc 10 asks way too high of a price for what it offers, using emmc storage, bad optics for the camera, OIS not so good either, display is not that good unless you get a specific brand (basically a lottery), it gets too hot too fast ( search htc 10 forums)
The only reason you might wanna consider the 10 is maybe audio, not that its that much better than the S7Edge exynos. Samsung pretty much created the best device money can get to date.
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You're down talking the phone way more than it deserves. Have you even used it yet to back up those claims?
The latest eMMC is not THAT much worse than UFS. Most people are likely to not even notice a difference because once things are loaded in the RAM, it's moot.
How does it have bad optics? LOL. It uses the same sensor as the 6P which BEATS the S7E in plenty of low light tests due to superior HDR processing. The HTC with a bigger aperture AND OIS is a recipe for perfection if HTC can get the camera software right, which so far has gotten better, but is not where it needs to be. And how is the OIS bad?
I haven't seen much complaining about the panels. Apparently the more rare Sharp panels don't have an issue in landscape with polarized sunglasses and may have less visible tinting at extreme angles. But from what I saw in a YouTube video, after 2 weeks, the pink tint was practically gone at extreme angles hinting to it being an adhesive issue in the LCD which will clear up after a little bit of use.
Don't know anything about the heat actually being an issue. Apparently people feel the heat easily - it is an aluminum phone, so maybe it's just better at dissipating it, but I would bet that the S7E is less prone to thermal throttling with its vapor heat pipe. Not an issue for me because I never game on my phone.
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You're down talking the phone way more than it deserves. Have you even used it yet to back up those claims?
The latest eMMC is not THAT much worse than UFS. Most people are likely to not even notice a difference because once things are loaded in the RAM, it's moot.
How does it have bad optics? LOL. It uses the same sensor as the 6P which BEATS the S7E in plenty of low light tests due to superior HDR processing. The HTC with a bigger aperture AND OIS is a recipe for perfection if HTC can get the camera software right, which so far has gotten better, but is not where it needs to be. And how is the OIS bad?
I haven't seen much complaining about the panels. Apparently the more rare Sharp panels don't have an issue in landscape with polarized sunglasses and may have less visible tinting at extreme angles. But from what I saw in a YouTube video, after 2 weeks, the pink tint was practically gone at extreme angles hinting to it being an adhesive issue in the LCD which will clear up after a little bit of use.
Don't know anything about the heat actually being an issue. Apparently people feel the heat easily - it is an aluminum phone, so maybe it's just better at dissipating it, but I would bet that the S7E is less prone to thermal throttling with its vapor heat pipe. Not an issue for me because I never game on my phone.
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Just the fact that you said that HTC has bigger aperture means you know s***t about cameras, The smaller the number the wider the aperture, 1.7 is better than 1.8. here is a comparison :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFww3-Ne3Fk
When i said optics i meant the lenses, not the sensor, but considering how you dont know which aperture size is better, there is no reason to waste my time on photography 101.
The S7 is the fastest device of the year (exynos), in day to day usage & in heavy tasks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvytFwkI8BA
As i said, the 10 is a good device, but not a great one, for the price they are asking for it, they are delivering the basic things, which every device this year does very well, and arguably the S7 excels not only at the basics, but goes beyond that with extras, (Wireless charging, heat pipe, IP68, etc).
FalconFX said:
Just the fact that you said that HTC has bigger aperture means you know s***t about cameras, The smaller the number the wider the aperture, 1.7 is better than 1.8. here is a comparison :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFww3-Ne3Fk
When i said optics i meant the lenses, not the sensor, but considering how you dont know which aperture size is better, there is no reason to waste my time on photography 101.
The S7 is the fastest device of the year (exynos), in day to day usage & in heavy tasks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvytFwkI8BA
As i said, the 10 is a good device, but not a great one, for the price they are asking for it, they are delivering the basic things, which every device this year does very well, and arguably the S7 excels not only at the basics, but goes beyond that with extras, (Wireless charging, heat pipe, IP68, etc).
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My comment of having a bigger aperture was directed towards it being larger than the 6P, not the S7E. I am well aware that the S7E has a larger aperture, but the 10 has larger pixels. I'm not sure which would equate to taking in more light, but considering the 6P has been capable of producing better shots than the S7E in many scenarios at night, the 10 should be even more capable with its larger aperture (than the 6P).
Exynos is not available here in the US unless you get the international version, which is not worth it considering the issues that may arise trying to use it on US carriers based on my experience with an international Note5 on T-Mobile USA's network. If OP is outside of the US, then that is cetainly something to consider.
The S7 has its additional features, as does the 10. The heat pipe is only relevant if you heavily use the device. IP68 is cool for sure, but I don't know how well I'm warming up to the idea of getting the phone wet regularly. Wireless charging is pointless because it is a lot slower than wired, and you can't really use the phone easily when it's charging like that. The 10 has FAR superior audio (at least vs the SD 820 variant), has a larger aperture for the front camera along with OIS, more refined speaker audio, higher manual brightness, USB Type C v3.1, is less bloated, and - this is a big one for me - doesn't require you to hit a home button for fingerprint unlock OR to go home. I don't know why, but I hate pushing down on a button, especially to unlock the device.
I'm not arguing that the S7 isn't a great device. That's why I have ordered them both to see which suits me best. I'm just saying that calling the 10 only a "good" phone is a bit unwarranted at this point. HTC put a lot of effort in the right places and left it unlocked from the start, and has pushed updates daily since it launched. Samsung hasn't really innovated much like they could have. Last year's Note5 was a huge showcase of that... nothing new other than the updated design.
HTC 10 I liked best the camera.
Nitemare3219 said:
My comment of having a bigger aperture was directed towards it being larger than the 6P, not the S7E. I am well aware that the S7E has a larger aperture, but the 10 has larger pixels. I'm not sure which would equate to taking in more light, but considering the 6P has been capable of producing better shots than the S7E in many scenarios at night, the 10 should be even more capable with its larger aperture (than the 6P).
Exynos is not available here in the US unless you get the international version, which is not worth it considering the issues that may arise trying to use it on US carriers based on my experience with an international Note5 on T-Mobile USA's network. If OP is outside of the US, then that is cetainly something to consider.
The S7 has its additional features, as does the 10. The heat pipe is only relevant if you heavily use the device. IP68 is cool for sure, but I don't know how well I'm warming up to the idea of getting the phone wet regularly. Wireless charging is pointless because it is a lot slower than wired, and you can't really use the phone easily when it's charging like that. The 10 has FAR superior audio (at least vs the SD 820 variant), has a larger aperture for the front camera along with OIS, more refined speaker audio, higher manual brightness, USB Type C v3.1, is less bloated, and - this is a big one for me - doesn't require you to hit a home button for fingerprint unlock OR to go home. I don't know why, but I hate pushing down on a button, especially to unlock the device.
I'm not arguing that the S7 isn't a great device. That's why I have ordered them both to see which suits me best. I'm just saying that calling the 10 only a "good" phone is a bit unwarranted at this point. HTC put a lot of effort in the right places and left it unlocked from the start, and has pushed updates daily since it launched. Samsung hasn't really innovated much like they could have. Last year's Note5 was a huge showcase of that... nothing new other than the updated design.
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I dont know whats so amazing about higher manual brightness being higher, i keep mine on auto, and outdoors i can see the screen no problem, the 10 has way worst outdoor visibility.
Phones are getting stagnant. The S7Edge is the farthest a device can get as a whole package. Next year is where innovation should be made. Any device that you buy this year will have no problem bolding up beyond 2 yrs. I feel like sammy did the right thing with the s7, its improved in every possible aspect. As i said, the htc 10 is a good device compared to this year's flagships, but its the a great upgrade from the M9 and M8.
The htc 10 would be a great phone if priced well. 500$ is the best price for it. It doesnt offer much from the 6p, so it should be priced against it.
I have one more T-Mobile jump until it resets in June. Then I get 3 more upgrades for the year. I'm going to look at the HTC 10 but I don't know if I'll take the leap. Battery life is most important to me and I don't think the 10 will come close to the 8 hours SOT I'm getting with my S7E.
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Are you getting the international S7? Because AFAIK, The US models don't support unlocking/root... so that's a big negative. Also, I never had a good experience using an international Note 5 on T-Mobile USA's network (if you're US based).
Each phone has pro's and cons. The S7 is certainly more polished right now, but HTC has been pushing updates daily to fix issues. Performance should ideally be faster on the HTC just because it is less bloated. I really appreciate HTC embracing stock Android as much as possible. I'll give you a quick rundown of my opinion on the devices... I'm having such a hard time deciding, I actually just ordered both and plan on using them back and forth to hopefully decide which I will use until the next Nexus or Note 6.
S7E:
+Insanely fast autofocus... camera is reliable right now. Better manual controls
+Great sunlight brightness
+Waterproof
+OLED screen
+Unique design
+Larger screen
+Huge battery
+Better slow motion video, and 60 FPS video
+Wireless charging
+UFS storage speeds
-micro-USB, v2.0
-TouchWiz
-No root capability for US models yet?
-Fingerprint reader is slower and must press power button
-Curved edges can distort colors (turn blue/green) on white browsing screens
HTC 10:
+Brighter screen in manual brightness
+High fidelity speakers and headphone jack, DAC/amps. High-res audio recording
+Lighter OS
+Better looking display whites
+Type C USB, v3.1
+Unlocked bootloader
+Better front and rear camera hardware (bigger pixels, OIS on front - software needs more polishing)
+$599 after discount code
-eMMC storage speeds
-Smaller display
-Only splash resilient
-Small battery for thickness
-No sunlight brightness boost mode
-LCD contrast (very good, but still nowhere near OLED)
If the 10 were OLED and 5.5", it would have been the perfect phone...
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Thanks a lot for the comparison. It's really helpful. I'll just get the S7 and the 10 at a go. I'll return either one. BTW I live outside the States.
And thanks, everyone for your thoughts.
Nitemare3219 said:
Are you getting the international S7? Because AFAIK, The US models don't support unlocking/root... so that's a big negative. Also, I never had a good experience using an international Note 5 on T-Mobile USA's network (if you're US based).
Each phone has pro's and cons. The S7 is certainly more polished right now, but HTC has been pushing updates daily to fix issues. Performance should ideally be faster on the HTC just because it is less bloated. I really appreciate HTC embracing stock Android as much as possible. I'll give you a quick rundown of my opinion on the devices... I'm having such a hard time deciding, I actually just ordered both and plan on using them back and forth to hopefully decide which I will use until the next Nexus or Note 6.
S7E:
+Insanely fast autofocus... camera is reliable right now. Better manual controls
+Great sunlight brightness
+Waterproof
+OLED screen
+Unique design
+Larger screen
+Huge battery
+Better slow motion video, and 60 FPS video
+Wireless charging
+UFS storage speeds
-micro-USB, v2.0
-TouchWiz
-No root capability for US models yet?
-Fingerprint reader is slower and must press power button
-Curved edges can distort colors (turn blue/green) on white browsing screens.
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100% incorrect. When the phone is in sleep you simply need to press the home button down with a finger/thumb that's been setup and the phone will unlock. The physical pressing of the home button wakes the device then the fingerprint is immediately read. You don't even need to release the button. The power button on the side at no point needs to be touched.
Beefheart said:
100% incorrect. When the phone is in sleep you simply need to press the home button down with a finger/thumb that's been setup and the phone will unlock. The physical pressing of the home button wakes the device then the fingerprint is immediately read. You don't even need to release the button. The power button on the side at no point needs to be touched.
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Sorry I used the wrong wording. I know you don't have to hit the power button - what I implied was you must hit the home button, physically push it down to wake the device for your fingerprint to be read. If Samsung would have found a way to avoid that requirement, the fingerprint sensor would be a lot more appreciable to me. I dislike the physical home button all together truthfully. I strongly prefer the 10's home button.
I've been using the S7E for a few days now. The 10 has been sitting at home, and will likely be getting returned. It's a good phone in a lot of ways. Maybe even a great phone. But every other phone out there is the best at something. The 10 is best at almost nothing, but good/great at everything. Problem is, most of those phones that are the best at something are also good/great at everything else too.
My biggest complaint with the 10 is the display. It just sucks compared to OLED. It has crazy motion blur, low brightness below 75%, a pink tint to the entire screen even viewed straight on, and has lesser contrast (but very good contrast for LCD). That combined with the display being SMALL, makes it a loss for me. I just don't want to use it as much as I do the S7E or the 6P.
I was really excited about the audio. I was really excited about the camera. I was really excited about the build. It gets all of those things right. But so do the other two phones I mentioned for the most part (headphone audio isn't that good on the S7E, but it's not bad enough to make me not want to use it). With a 5.5" OLED display, the 10 would've been phone of the year in my book, no questions asked.
So I was really considering on buying the 5s but now thinking is it really worth it?
They are boasting about the camera but they removed OIS! IR blaster though that's not a deal breaker. Guess camera is the highlight really
Here's a decent video https://youtu.be/ffO30N8OxtM
I'm actually contemplating about the same choice. I almost bought Mi 5 Prime with 3GB RAM, but was a bit hesitant because of the following things:
Mi 5 is one of the easiest bend-breakable phones so you need some sturdy case to mitigate bend break problem
(un)availability of custom ROMs as I don't think I'd like running MIUI on the long run. I would rather put some as vanilla as possible OS on it
Ordering from China is a bit risky
But in the meantime Mi 5S came out and I really like that it has aluminium back and upgraded processor although I'm not sure whether there's significant performance difference between the two. But if I do buy myself Mi 5S, I'll likely have to wait for a longer time before I'll be able to get some vanilla Android on it. Pixel is just too crazy expensive.
I guess I'll wait a bit until we get some feedback from the community to see how well this device is built and performs.
Just my 2 cents:
1) OIS on the Mi5s is not available for the sensor atm, might be, "might be" due to its large sensor. (As Google Pixel phones do not have OIS as well)
-On the bright side, the DIS works like a charm :3
2) If you want to get yourself "Daydream VR ready", do get the Mi5s as the Snapdragon 821 supports it~ (even though the performance increase is not skyrocket high)
3) After watching several videos from Youtube about Mi5 and Mi5s, camera performance is in fact increased for the Mi5s.
-However, low light scenario based pictures and videos would have varying results I suppose.
-Since it uses the same sensor as Google Pixel but not as great as Google Pixel's camera quality, future updates "might" be able to increase the Mi5s camera performance. (Or maybe even custom ROMs).
4) From what I heard on chinese Mi5s reviews/hands on, the ultrasonic fingerprint reader's performance may vary. Might be due to its 'newborn' nature (it is a new tech, so optimisation might not be optimal).
5) Like what literadesign mentioned, the Mi5 surely is a "bendable" phone. I assume that Mi5s alloy body would have make it less bendable. (Hard to say, do not just buy it to try its bendable level lel)
In the end, it is all about your choice~
Damn, didn't know the mi5 bends easy. The mi5 with 4way axis is a joke, seen some vids
What other alternatives are the part from op3? Mayne Zuk z2 pro
Hi All,
I've bought both the Xiaomi Mi5s (miui 8 global) and the OnePlus 3T (oxygen OS 4.03 Android 7) and am trialling both for a few before I send the loser (if you could possibly call one of these great phones a loser) back. I'm finding it very difficult to chose.
Either phone is a huge upgrade from my previous and very safe and stable iPhone 5s. I hope you can help me resolve my conundrum.
My thoughts so far on the comparison:
Software and interfaces:
Both phones have great software but for me the xiaomi swings it on being more customisable in terms of the interface, being able to easily change themes. As nice as changing themes is however, a lot of the themes are like those Kodi skins with weird phrases like "seize the moment" plastered on the home screen. It is a nice to have though and some of them have added some clever navigation features for app sidetray access.
It has a couple of other features that are nice to haves like 'force touch' and recording calls as a standard option but both of these features I would rarely use and can live without. Miuis second space feature is a bit surplus to requirements considering fingerprint locking is all you need for security I'm not sure why I'd need to hide apps etc on another part of the phone, I also found it a bit slow to switch spaces.
Hardware:
Here the OnePlus wins, more ram more speed, not that noticeable in day to day operations but the fingerprint sensor on the Xiaomi has been disappointing, even after rescanning my thumb a couple of times it still either fails to unlock or takes a long time to unlock. The OnePlus 3T is super quick on the fingerprint unlock like the speed of light and very reliable for me. Screen sizes on both are nice, I prefer the larger OnePlus though. I would also say the microphone sensitivity on the OnePlus 3T is better in picking up the "OK google" commands. Both seem to be quite quiet on phone calls with the earphones plugged in, if you make regular conference calls this is quite annoying and there are lots of complaints on the xiaomi forums regarding this for the global rom.
Camera:
This is where the big let down is on the 3T and probably the reason I am still hanging on to the xiaomi . Despite impressive specs on paper I've found shots low in detail compared to the Xiaomi and poor when shooting moving objects. Low light performance is not great on both but overall I feel the Xiaomi Mi5s is the better camera. Video recording I can't comment, both seem to very similar. I'm not a huge photographer and don't post lots of pictures to social media so maybe I can live without it. I'm hoping something can be done with the OP3T camera to resolve some of the above issues.
Athetics and buttons etc:
I like the feel of the OP3T better but the Xiaomi is easier to hold on accounts of is size.
Anyway I hope you can help me with some thoughts here, would love to keep both but I ain't that rich, ideally I'd merge the two but it just can't happen.
No offense but starting your review (and the software aspect) talking about themes is ..... meh.
felixjet said:
No offense but starting your review (and the software aspect) talking about themes is ..... meh.
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OK so maybe you could suggest what's more important for you personally? Am I too hung up on the themes aspect?
Xiaomi Mi5s has a rear camera sensor with 1.55 um pixels (IMX 378 - As in the G Pixel), yet low light performance is not great? How come?
"Despite impressive camera specs on paper for 3T" - The Mi5S has more impressive specs on paper.
Because sensor is not everything my friend
Ok, I know it's gonna sound crazy but I think the Le Pro 3 is just slightly better than these phones right now and here's why.
I recently had the G6 and OP5 to play with for a few days. I'm disappointed in both of them. The OP5 was close to a keeper but a few issues, it was more expensive than all these phones amazing how cheap the G6 is right now.
The G6's main problem is the camera and battery life. I couldn't get a whole day of usage with one full charge. The camera is the most inconsistent of all LG phones I've had, some shots looked great but some were really noisy.
The OP5 was nearly the perfect phone until I started shooting videos and had some AF problems, about 3 out of 10 shots came out blurry. It terms of speed it was pretty darn fast.
I returned it because of the jello screen effect and I just don't think it's worth the money when the Le Pro 3 is so much cheaper and is about 80% of the OP5. Now don't get me wrong it's still a good phone but not worth $480 which is almost double what the Le Pro 3 costs me. And OP devices has always been buggy and needed subsequent patches and patches. OP has always released beta products.
Now the main problem I have with the Le Pro 3 is the screen just looked too washed out and the camera is mediocre but it's the only phone that gets me through 1.5 days on a full charge. It's close to the OP5 in terms of usage speed and it's almost 1/2 the price.
Ok, compare to the S7E it seems the S7E has everything covered, great camera the best in the business imo. It's got micro-SD and water resistance but the battery life is the worst and device is sluggish.
I'm thinking S8 could probably beat all of these phones but I really need good battery life and I don't think the S8 could hold a candle against the Le Pro 3 in this area.
That's where I honestly stand, I don't think any of these phones are perfect but for the price and value the Le Pro 3 is hard to beat.
In my opinion, Le Pro3 is just a monster! Disapointing only on camera and IPS, but after all, it's still one of the best in value phones.
Now only cost $265 for the 64Gb rom/4Gb ram variant, many roms to choose from and battery is one of the best, pretty compact size. Even new phones that coming out are not going to be better maybe 3-5% performance difference that's all. But people get exciting with new phones so they buy them, after few weeks it get old like other phones. Everyone use the phone differently I guess, some people might not even know LeEco after all.
I actually think the screen is pretty good. I mean of course it will look washed out against an amoled but it is great on its own. And so so so much better with the screen protector removed!
marik1 said:
In my opinion, Le Pro3 is just a monster! Disapointing only on camera and IPS, but after all, it's still one of the best in value phones.
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Nah... Camera? Just use Google Camera app to unleash Le Pro 3's potential. I compared mine with iPhone 7 and the latter look terrible in comparison LoL.
Screen is just as good if not better than iPhone 7 too which has terrible screen and resolution compared to the likes of Samsung and Pixel.
I’ll kick off by saying that I am genuinely not trolling and I really want to like the Samsung S10 plus, I have the ceramic one and it is the nicest in-hand phone and a joy to pick up, it also has a slightly wider screen that I prefer as the P30 Pro can feel slightly narrow and cramped in comparison and I appreciate the higher resolution even if I only really notice it on text if I look really hard.* OneUI is ok these days and it does have a lot of features that I like built in too and it has a headphone jack!
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it is almost my perfect phone however, the thing is that I actually have a bit of love/hate relationship with it and I have come to think that the P30 Pro is maybe just a better all round phone even if it too has it’s annoyances, **YMMV but for me and here is why:
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Bluetooth audio - The P30 pro fully supports higher quality Bluetooth audio, the S10 does not.* The S10 defaults to ‘Best Effort’ you can select the ‘Balanced’ 660 kbps setting but you have to do this via developer settings EVERY TIME as it resets back to best effort. The highest quality 990 kbps option whilst selectable is choppy and not useable at all though.* On the P30 Pro, the highest quality option is available, works well and the LDAC settings have actually been put into the normal settings too and stick.* Win win!
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Camera - The P30 pro camera is significantly better than the S10 and the S10 plus camera is IMO very very disappointing, probably my biggest issue with the phone.* The smudged detail is there all the time although in good light you do have to pixel peep to see it but in medium to lower light the P30 pro just wipes the floor with it, no contest.* Also in medium to low light blurry images are common if there is even the slightest movement in the scene, looking at the exif the S10 always chooses a lower shutter speed than for the same scene, I am assuming this is to try keep the ISO as low as possible.* I think the main hardware is un-changed from the S9 and it shows, Samsung is just not as capable as Google with the computational stuff.** The camera on the P30 pro is just great and has the added cherry on the cake of the 5x zoom too.* Maybe Samsung will up it’s game with the S11/S20 but for me there is no doubt they have fallen behind by skimping on the hardware.
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Battery – The P30 pro is just better. The S10 is ok but still has that signature Samsung standby drain, they just love draining power when sitting there doing nothing.
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Signal (Mobile & WiFi)* -* The P30 pro has the better radio(s) by a large margin.* The S10 is terrible on both mobile and wifi and*in a tough coverage area (my current house) The P30 pro will be on circa -100db and perfectly useable, the S10 -119db or worse and struggling.
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Ultimately the camera and audio quality are the biggies for me, but the radio issue is also a daily annoyance. *The P30 pro has it’s own issues, I wish it had a higher-res screen (although local dimming to avoid PWM is a bonus), EMUI is an acquired taste and one ui is slightly slicker but overall it is hard to argue that for my use at least it does the most important things better.
Interested in the thoughts of anybody else on here who has owned both.
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arsenal74 said:
I’ll kick off by saying that I am genuinely not trolling and I really want to like the Samsung S10 plus, I have the ceramic one and it is the nicest in-hand phone and a joy to pick up, it also has a slightly wider screen that I prefer as the P30 Pro can feel slightly narrow and cramped in comparison and I appreciate the higher resolution even if I only really notice it on text if I look really hard.* OneUI is ok these days and it does have a lot of features that I like built in too and it has a headphone jack!
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it is almost my perfect phone however, the thing is that I actually have a bit of love/hate relationship with it and I have come to think that the P30 Pro is maybe just a better all round phone even if it too has it’s annoyances, **YMMV but for me and here is why:
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Bluetooth audio - The P30 pro fully supports higher quality Bluetooth audio, the S10 does not.* The S10 defaults to ‘Best Effort’ you can select the ‘Balanced’ 660 kbps setting but you have to do this via developer settings EVERY TIME as it resets back to best effort. The highest quality 990 kbps option whilst selectable is choppy and not useable at all though.* On the P30 Pro, the highest quality option is available, works well and the LDAC settings have actually been put into the normal settings too and stick.* Win win!
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Camera - The P30 pro camera is significantly better than the S10 and the S10 plus camera is IMO very very disappointing, probably my biggest issue with the phone.* The smudged detail is there all the time although in good light you do have to pixel peep to see it but in medium to lower light the P30 pro just wipes the floor with it, no contest.* Also in medium to low light blurry images are common if there is even the slightest movement in the scene, looking at the exif the S10 always chooses a lower shutter speed than for the same scene, I am assuming this is to try keep the ISO as low as possible.* I think the main hardware is un-changed from the S9 and it shows, Samsung is just not as capable as Google with the computational stuff.** The camera on the P30 pro is just great and has the added cherry on the cake of the 5x zoom too.* Maybe Samsung will up it’s game with the S11/S20 but for me there is no doubt they have fallen behind by skimping on the hardware.
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Battery – The P30 pro is just better. The S10 is ok but still has that signature Samsung standby drain, they just love draining power when sitting there doing nothing.
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Signal (Mobile & WiFi)* -* The P30 pro has the better radio(s) by a large margin.* The S10 is terrible on both mobile and wifi and*in a tough coverage area (my current house) The P30 pro will be on circa -100db and perfectly useable, the S10 -119db or worse and struggling.
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Ultimately the camera and audio quality are the biggies for me, but the radio issue is also a daily annoyance. *The P30 pro has it’s own issues, I wish it had a higher-res screen (although local dimming to avoid PWM is a bonus), EMUI is an acquired taste and one ui is slightly slicker but overall it is hard to argue that for my use at least it does the most important things better.
Interested in the thoughts of anybody else on here who has owned both.
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Certainly Huawei do have very good camera's and maybe a few features.
However there's big issues with updates.
After owning a Mate20Pro for a while, carrier updates were very very slow, it took my carrier 5 months to push out the second update. Sure there is a few ways to manually update without bootloader unlock or root, but these are tediously annoying processes, in most cases meaning a complete wipe of the phone.
And then you have the future of updates being released at all if the Huawei/Trump Ban keeps going.
So I guess its a matter of do you want updated or outdated firmware?
Do you want the availability of Google Apps in the future?
For me the I prefer the thought of having latest bug fixes and security updates maybe a few extra improvements.
With Huawei its a game of Russian Roulette.
Darkat70 said:
Certainly Huawei do have very good camera's and maybe a few features.
However there's big issues with updates.
After owning a Mate20Pro for a while, carrier updates were very very slow, it took my carrier 5 months to push out the second update. Sure there is a few ways to manually update without bootloader unlock or root, but these are tediously annoying processes, in most cases meaning a complete wipe of the phone.
And then you have the future of updates being released at all if the Huawei/Trump Ban keeps going.
So I guess its a matter of do you want updated or outdated firmware?
Do you want the availability of Google Apps in the future?
For me the I prefer the thought of having latest bug fixes and security updates maybe a few extra improvements.
With Huawei its a game of Russian Roulette.
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Totally agree, it's a guessing game with the latest Huawei devices. Their EMUI is improved but it's still buggy especially with regards to background apps. Additionally, even though there's plenty of concerns with what Google's doing with your data, those concerns are minor compared to Huawei. I don't want my data in China's hands. It's common knowledge the Chinese government is deeply involved with piracy and hacking worldwide and there are legitimate issues with Huawei's ability to keep it's/your data out of their reach. Yes, Huawei has stated on numerous occasions they never share data with the Chinese Government but I'm far from convinced.
The issue is only really with new models the P30 and previous have Google apps and get updates.
Honestly I prefer the S10 plus but where it matters (camera, radio and audio quality) the P30 is better.
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The issue is only really with new models the P30 and previous have Google apps and get updates.
Honestly I prefer the S10 plus but where it matters (camera, radio and audio quality) the P30 is better.
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For Now they do, until Huawei decide they can't be bothered. And theres also the problem with delayed updates.
Like Optus took 5 months after the release to push out the first update for the Mate 20Pro, i spoke with Optus and Huawei, both blamed each other for the delay, when really it was Huawei whom did not release the firmware to Optus.
Interesting you write this, as I upgraded to a S10+ but still use my mate pro 10 for camera work as it's better quality in my opinion, and the battery life on a 2 1/2 year phone is better than my S10+.
There are things that I am enjoying about this phone but it was certainly a shorter than expected honeymoon period with it
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I’ll kick off by saying that I am genuinely not trolling and I really want to like the Samsung S10 plus, I have the ceramic one and it is the nicest in-hand phone and a joy to pick up, it also has a slightly wider screen that I prefer as the P30 Pro can feel slightly narrow and cramped in comparison and I appreciate the higher resolution even if I only really notice it on text if I look really hard.* OneUI is ok these days and it does have a lot of features that I like built in too and it has a headphone jack!
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it is almost my perfect phone however, the thing is that I actually have a bit of love/hate relationship with it and I have come to think that the P30 Pro is maybe just a better all round phone even if it too has it’s annoyances, **YMMV but for me and here is why:
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Bluetooth audio - The P30 pro fully supports higher quality Bluetooth audio, the S10 does not.* The S10 defaults to ‘Best Effort’ you can select the ‘Balanced’ 660 kbps setting but you have to do this via developer settings EVERY TIME as it resets back to best effort. The highest quality 990 kbps option whilst selectable is choppy and not useable at all though.* On the P30 Pro, the highest quality option is available, works well and the LDAC settings have actually been put into the normal settings too and stick.* Win win!
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Camera - The P30 pro camera is significantly better than the S10 and the S10 plus camera is IMO very very disappointing, probably my biggest issue with the phone.* The smudged detail is there all the time although in good light you do have to pixel peep to see it but in medium to lower light the P30 pro just wipes the floor with it, no contest.* Also in medium to low light blurry images are common if there is even the slightest movement in the scene, looking at the exif the S10 always chooses a lower shutter speed than for the same scene, I am assuming this is to try keep the ISO as low as possible.* I think the main hardware is un-changed from the S9 and it shows, Samsung is just not as capable as Google with the computational stuff.** The camera on the P30 pro is just great and has the added cherry on the cake of the 5x zoom too.* Maybe Samsung will up it’s game with the S11/S20 but for me there is no doubt they have fallen behind by skimping on the hardware.
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Battery – The P30 pro is just better. The S10 is ok but still has that signature Samsung standby drain, they just love draining power when sitting there doing nothing.
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Signal (Mobile & WiFi)* -* The P30 pro has the better radio(s) by a large margin.* The S10 is terrible on both mobile and wifi and*in a tough coverage area (my current house) The P30 pro will be on circa -100db and perfectly useable, the S10 -119db or worse and struggling.
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Ultimately the camera and audio quality are the biggies for me, but the radio issue is also a daily annoyance. *The P30 pro has it’s own issues, I wish it had a higher-res screen (although local dimming to avoid PWM is a bonus), EMUI is an acquired taste and one ui is slightly slicker but overall it is hard to argue that for my use at least it does the most important things better.
Interested in the thoughts of anybody else on here who has owned both.
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I know this is quite old but i dont think i have idle drain on s10+ exynos but i read many had it in the past. It must have been fixed before august 2020 when i bought the phone.
Its quite funny about the camera because i am usually annoyed that s10+ actually doesnt wanna go below 1/50 and increases ISO instead. For example in metro i end up with a shot 1/50 ISO 640 where as it could have been idk 1/20 ISO 200. So they never come out blurry for me because phone prefers fast shutter speed(though a bit soft cuz high ISO). You kinda made me apperciate faster shutter more now . I guess it was updated after you got rid of your phone?
Battery is pretty good imo. Its really good unless im gaming(dead by daylight, very heavy). Then its about 3-3.5hours which is fine i suppose.
About the smudged images.. That was one of the things i was scared most when buying this phone. But after using it for months, (even in the first days) smudge didnt bother me as much as i thought it would. Photos always look amazing overall, white balance, exposure, HDR does a good job. And detail is good enough as well. But side by side im sure p30 would be slightly more detailed. (Though p30 is 10MP so maybe they would be equal?)
When i was shopping for s10+ the biggest contender was p30 for me, it was 1/3 cheaper and 3x optical zoom but what put me off was the colors that came out from the sensors.. In anandtechs review p30 series had serious white balance/color issues and i was really put off by that. And the reason they said was the red blue yellow sensor which gathers more light but has trouble with colors since yellow isnt a main color. Maybe it might have been fixed by now? But i couldnt take the risk of whether it could or would be fixed since it does look like hardware limitation.
About wifi, i do have some wifi related problems, sometimes i have to restart apps for wifi to work for them.
And s10+ uses high gamma at minimum brightness which causes black clipping. It can be fixed for youtube app but if you play a dark game like dead by daylight at min brightness, you will have a lot of trouble on s10+.
Tbh i should have bought mi10 for myself haha. s10+ is a good phone for sure but like you said every phone has its advantages and disadvantages. And i apparently didnt know what i really should have been paying attention to. I was really focused on camera but to be real all flagships have great camera, i obsessed over it for no reason. Mi10 has way better performance and it has a gamma slider and its manual brightness is much higher. (I did a hdr bug on s10+ which allows screen to go much brighter but works only on android 10 so i cant update if i want to keep using it.. also s10+ dims when gaming after it heats up but think mi10 doesnt? Which would make gaming in front of a bright window better but at least 700 nits whenever i want is really good)
Okay i did go off topic a bit sorry. Anyways have a great day xD