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I am beginning to suspect that there may be a simple reason 'some' N7's are having crash issues with custom kernels/ROMs. I have a small temperature & CPO widget, and also use Sense Analog Clock w/system data, and I have been paying attention to - temperature. FULL DISCLOSURE: I use a case that is very solid and enclosing, as I travel a lot and want my N7 protected well, and that may be keeping some additional heat in via insulation.
In any event, I notice that the N7 starts out at about 79.5F, but with even moderate use, is over 85F. I use mine mostly for reading news and books, I don't play games on it, and only review the occasional youtube news video. Could the 'culprit' be simply overheating?
It would be interesting to have some small app that would record CPU, GPU & memory use, temperature, and 'crash' information - we might be able to get to the 'bottom' of the sporadic freezes/crashes that some are experiencing.
Will cross post this in a couple of places. jf
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I am beginning to suspect that there may be a simple reason 'some' N7's are having crash issues with custom kernels/ROMs. I have a small temperature & CPO widget, and also use Sense Analog Clock w/system data, and I have been paying attention to - temperature. FULL DISCLOSURE: I use a case that is very solid and enclosing, as I travel a lot and want my N7 protected well, and that may be keeping some additional heat in via insulation.
In any event, I notice that the N7 starts out at about 79.5F, but with even moderate use, is over 85F. I use mine mostly for reading news and books, I don't play games on it, and only review the occasional youtube news video. Could the 'culprit' be simply overheating?
It would be interesting to have some small app that would record CPU, GPU & memory use, temperature, and 'crash' information - we might be able to get to the 'bottom' of the sporadic freezes/crashes that some are experiencing.
Will cross post this in a couple of places. jf
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Desktop CPUs generally will run up to 85C, which is 185F. I suspect mobile CPUs are not specced nearly that high, but you have nothing to worry about there.
Are there variations, issues, solder problems? Sure, any of that could happen, and be exposed under various thermal stresses. But 85f is nothing to be concerned about.
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Desktop CPUs generally will run up to 85C, which is 185F. I suspect mobile CPUs are not specced nearly that high, but you have nothing to worry about there.
Are there variations, issues, solder problems? Sure, any of that could happen, and be exposed under various thermal stresses. But 85f is nothing to be concerned about.
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Agreed... but I'm getting that on light usage - I wonder what the game players are getting.. and if heat is causing a lot of the problems being reported on the N7 on XDA...
My nexus 10 had become really warm around back camera after using chrome apps for a few minutes about 7 minutes or so. Web site I mostly visit are
kotaku.com
theverge.com
batoto.com
This noticeable warmness only occur when I use web browser app. Funny thing that when I watch movie using MX player Hw+, watching anime MKV 8 bit the device never seem to get hot, except when watching in SW for 10 bit anime it get extremely hot.
Youtube app also shows no singe of this warmness.
Do I get the defected device? Please help me with this I really don't want to get the replacement.
Thank you for your time.
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My nexus 10 had become really warm around back camera after using chrome apps for a few minutes about 7 minutes or so. Web site I mostly visit are
kotaku.com
theverge.com
batoto.com
This noticeable warmness only occur when I use web browser app. Funny thing that when I watch movie using MX player Hw+, watching anime MKV 8 bit the device never seem to get hot, except when watching in SW for 10 bit anime it get extremely hot.
Youtube app also shows no singe of this warmness.
Do I get the defected device? Please help me with this I really don't want to get the replacement.
Thank you for your time.
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If it's only getting hot with certain apps or content, it's probably those apps or content stressing your device, not the device being defective. This CPU does get a bit hot sometimes. I don't know if all ARM CPUs are like this, or just the ones I have.
I suggest you install the Battery Widget app by Elvison, so that you can see how hot Android says the CPU is getting when you do these things. We can then compare temperatures, if you also note the background temperature in your town when you are testing, so we can compare how much hotter the device gets from the baseline background temperature. I have gotten my HTC One X+ to report a temperature of 60 degrees C when playing a lot of HD video, but while my Nexus 10 gets somewhat hot, it never gets that hot. :fingers-crossed:
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My nexus 10 had become really warm around back camera after using chrome apps for a few minutes about 7 minutes or so. Web site I mostly visit are
kotaku.com
theverge.com
batoto.com
This noticeable warmness only occur when I use web browser app. Funny thing that when I watch movie using MX player Hw+, watching anime MKV 8 bit the device never seem to get hot, except when watching in SW for 10 bit anime it get extremely hot.
Youtube app also shows no singe of this warmness.
Do I get the defected device? Please help me with this I really don't want to get the replacement.
Thank you for your time.
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Hi, that is perfectly normal. What a lot of people don't know is that web rendering is one/if not the most CPU intensive ask you'll do on your tablet. So for it to get warm at the back after several minutes stressing the CPU out from web rendering is not bad at all. It's nothing to worry about, every phone/ tablet does this. Hope this helps
Plus the wifi chip dumps out a lot of heat just by itself, even if it isnt even being used very hard.
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Plus the wifi chip dumps out a lot of heat just by itself, even if it isnt even being used very hard.
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The wifi combo chips don't draw a lot of power, and usually go into a low-power idle mode for even less draw (already just a few milliwatts max)...
(Giving benefit of doubt because N10 has dual MIMO fancy chip. Might draw a bit more. Still feels wrong, though.)
Are you sure?
Yep I am very sure. If I leave the wifi on when I play a game I will hit thermal throttling WAY faster than with it off, and the tablet feels much warmer overall as well. Turning wifi off and doing the same thing lowers the reported temperatures by around 5-6 degrees Celsius.
believe it or not it probably chrome... i had the same issue with my nexus 4.... try using boat browser or something else lightweight and see if that changes anything
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Yep I am very sure. If I leave the wifi on when I play a game I will hit thermal throttling WAY faster than with it off, and the tablet feels much warmer overall as well. Turning wifi off and doing the same thing lowers the reported temperatures by around 5-6 degrees Celsius.
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Right, but the correlation between heat reducing with wifi off doesn't mean the wifi chip itself is the source of the heat. It could just as easily be that having wifi on allows background processes to connect to the network, and their use of the CPU increases load, thus heat.
I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying that assuming cause from correlation is tricky.
Should be easy to resolve for someone with a laser thermometer.
Another thought: Display brightness is directly related to a fair amount of heat output. Maybe you changed that setting.
Hi all of you, happy Z2 owners, who struggles from overheating issues. As I feel from reaction of Sony representatives, overheating will not be improved or fixed, my personal opinion is that it is a hardware issue, not software, and Sony do not even want to confirm overheating as an issue, it is considered to be normal for them, when camera gets warm (base don their reply).
So, what we could do now is to sit and wait till we get or not get any help, or we could try to do something.
First of all, all these major sites, as Gizmodo, Engadget, The Verge and so on... Non of them didn't mention anything serious about the overheating. Moreover, none of them does not mention about it now either, but if you take a look to the number of user who experience the overheating problem, you see that there is a lot of us.
Should we maybe try to point the attention of the major online publishers to the problem, also to the behaviour of serious company, who throws raw product to the market and closes eyes when they see serious problem.
The second option is to think about some collective claim to Sony and deliver it to them by media channels.
Me personally could just change the faulty device in the store, it is not going to be too big problem for me, as it is clearly obvious fail of device, when camera is not working properly. In case if there is ANY limitation in timing of filming, it should be mentioned in technical data PRIOR sale of the product, otherwise it is hidden defect. But I am really upset about the behaviour of such company as Sony and I would really wish they acknowledge their mistake and help all of us at once.
Personally, I don't understand what the big deal is with this overheating issue. I understand that people want to "futureproof" themselves because they "might" get a 4k display in the future but honestly, "futureproofing" should never be a factor when when it comes to the ever-changing world of electronics.
Samsung placed a 5 minute limit on their 4k and Sony decided to toss things up and give it a dynamic limit based on temperature. I go to concerts and many conventions and have yet to run into a situation where I thought "hey, it'll be a good idea to record this in 4k." While I understand your frustration about Sony not really addressing the issue, they did come out and say that people should only record in short clips.
If you're still really interested in recording long 4k videos and pushing your device to the limit then check out these threads:
Pesetio made a discovery that undervolting your phone could help slow down the heating of the phone thus longer 4k video - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2776605
Jackos released a mod where he pushed the thermal limit up 10 degrees celsius and this basically allowed you to ignore the overheating message and record 30+ minutes of 4k video - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2777712
However, after reading many "overheating" posts on this forum, I think a lot of people agree that the limiter is there for a reason and the longevity of the device supersedes our desire for longer 4k video recording.
@HeartUnderBlade, actually we encourage overheat for all of functions of camera. When we take some pictures, video camera with full hd and high temporary of weather. After that overheat and shut down camera. Maybe some guys live in country that the weather is cool. I think they won't encourage this issue. My opinion, sony should behave properly if not numerous guys will be leave them.
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@HeartUnderBlade, actually we encourage overheat for all of functions of camera. When we take some pictures, video camera with full hd and high temporary of weather. After that overheat and shut down camera. Maybe some guys live in country that the weather is cool. I think they won't encourage this issue. My opinion, sony should behave properly if not numerous guys will be leave them.
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While I understand your frustration, I think encountering the overheating message should be considered a good thing if you value the longevity of your device. Imagine if you never encountered the overheating message, your phone could be damaged in the long run by user-error and you'll never be able to fix it. However, I think a very small percentage of people actually experience overheating in anything other than 4k and I would try to replace your device if that's the case. Do keep in mind that I noticed you're from Viet Nam which is a country that can get very hot and humid so that could play a HUGE role in the overheating of your phone.
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While I understand your frustration, I think encountering the overheating message should be considered a good thing if you value the longevity of your device. Imagine if you never encountered the overheating message, your phone could be damaged in the long run by user-error and you'll never be able to fix it. However, I think a very small percentage of people actually experience overheating in anything other than 4k and I would try to replace your device if that's the case. Do keep in mind that I noticed you're from Viet Nam which is a country that can get very hot and humid so that could play a HUGE role in the overheating of your phone.
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Me, personally, do not care about 4k video. But, when I download something over 4g, i am not able to use camera at all, as it is too hot. When i turn on photo mode (usual still photo), in about 7-10 minutes without even taking some pictures the camera turns off.
I do not want, neither intend to do something with voltage. As a costumer, I am buying finished product, that should work as it should work. If it does not work as promised (and I am not an advanced user, i would say), it is a fault of manufacturer. They MUST react.
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Me, personally, do not care about 4k video. But, when I download something over 4g, i am not able to use camera at all, as it is too hot. When i turn on photo mode (usual still photo), in about 7-10 minutes without even taking some pictures the camera turns off.
I do not want, neither intend to do something with voltage. As a costumer, I am buying finished product, that should work as it should work. If it does not work as promised (and I am not an advanced user, i would say), it is a fault of manufacturer. They MUST react.
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For the downloading and using a camera, I personally don't even think you should be pushing your phone to that limit. The camera can be very intense on your phone considering the image stabilization, high def image/video, and the high framerate that Sony put into the camera. If we know that Sony placed a thermal limit on the camera then why would you go into a camera knowing that you're downloading something and not expect it to overheat? When you say that it gets too hot, do you mean it just gets too hot to the touch or does it overheat (as in you get the overheat warning)? I would expect it to overheat considering it's put under that much load of having to write download data while writing data from the camera.
As for the 7-10 minute thing, I actually think that's normal. If I turn on my camera and just leave it idle then it shuts off by itself. I mean... why would you care if you leave a camera idle without doing anything? It seems a bit silly, don't you think since it just wastes battery at that point.
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For the downloading and using a camera, I personally don't even think you should be pushing your phone to that limit. The camera can be very intense on your phone considering the image stabilization, high def image/video, and the high framerate that Sony put into the camera. If we know that Sony placed a thermal limit on the camera then why would you go into a camera knowing that you're downloading something and not expect it to overheat? As for the 7-10 minute thing, I actually think that's normal. If I turn on my camera and just leave it idle then it shuts off by itself. I mean... why would you care if you leave a camera idle without doing anything? It seems a bit silly, don't you think since it just wastes battery at that point.
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If you use ipad or iphone. Please turn on camera on your iPad and leave it for 10 minutes. If it turns off itself, go to apple and they will change your device for 99% (if you are under warranty). I am not sure if you are Z2 user or not, if you are not, you will not understand. The device is getting hot whatever you do, so you are not able to film/take pictures.
I am not going to argue with you, this thread is for people who experience the problem and is ready to act. If the company sells you something, it should work as advertised. If not, this should not be issued/sold without additional comments from manufacturer.
I cannot imagine that my BMW will turn off the engine because i use air conditioner, or air conditioner will be turned off automatically if i drive in sport mode.
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Of course, about iPad or iPhone, i mean turning off because of overheating, not auto lock.
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While I understand your frustration, I think encountering the overheating message should be considered a good thing if you value the longevity of your device. Imagine if you never encountered the overheating message, your phone could be damaged in the long run by user-error and you'll never be able to fix it. However, I think a very small percentage of people actually experience overheating in anything other than 4k and I would try to replace your device if that's the case. Do keep in mind that I noticed you're from Viet Nam which is a country that can get very hot and humid so that could play a HUGE role in the overheating of your phone.
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Total agreement for 4k issue. However, if we take some picture and encourage overheat message. I think that is big deal. I am used some phone before s4, iphone 5, s3 ... But i haven't seen yet. What do you think if you take the z2 and come in beach with your friends and take around 10 pictures and shut down camera. Because overheat. My friends reported numerous time same cases.
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Anton Sh. said:
If you use ipad or iphone. Please turn on camera on your iPad and leave it for 10 minutes. If it turns off itself, go to apple and they will change your device for 99% (if you are under warranty). I am not sure if you are Z2 user or not, if you are not, you will not understand. The device is getting hot whatever you do, so you are not able to film/take pictures.
I am not going to argue with you, this thread is for people who experience the problem and is ready to act. If the company sells you something, it should work as advertised. If not, this should not be issued/sold without additional comments from manufacturer.
I cannot imagine that my BMW will turn off the engine because i use air conditioner, or air conditioner will be turned off automatically if i drive in sport mode.
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You know, I was not here to argue with you. I'm just saying that some of the issues might not even be a big deal. If you've noticed, a lot of the "overheating" threads have started to die out and threads about coping with the issue is starting to emerge. It shows that this community is starting to somewhat accept that the overheating message may be there as a precaution. I think you missed my point about the camera turning off while in idle. I don't think that's an overheating issue but rather a feature the camera app is programmed to do to prevent it from useless staying on and wasting your battery. I haven't done any extensive testing but leaving my camera on idle, it shuts off. However, when I move it around and click a few buttons every once in awhile, it stays on.
I think funky0308 made a very good point when he said "Overheating FC isn't error or bug, that's added for a purpose." http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=53295417&postcount=10
Also, it's silly to compare a car to a phone...A car has an engine, belts, a whole gallon of liquid coolant, and a radiator. Your phone, it's a bunch of computer hardware that is calculating a lot of data in a small enclosed space with nothing but a heatsink to try to cool down your phone. If you really want to compare a car to a phone then take all the cooling features out of your engine (including all the fans and radiator) and let's see if your engine overheats or not.
Also for your information, yes... I own an iphone, ipad, and I'm one of the few people that owned the Z2 when it started to roll out.
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Total agreement for 4k issue. However, if we take some picture and encourage overheat message. I think that is big deal. I am used some phone before s4, iphone 5, s3 ... But i haven't seen yet. What do you think if you take the z2 and come in beach with your friends and take around 10 pictures and shut down camera. Because overheat. My friends reported numerous time same cases.
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Your issue does sound like it might be a defect. I've read of a small handful of people experiencing the overheating message just from regular photos. I believe those people sent it in for a repair under warranty and received new devices which fixed their problems. Try contacting the place you bought it from or a Sony store nearby.
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You know, I was not here to argue with you. I'm just saying that some of the issues might not even be a big deal. If you've noticed, a lot of the "overheating" threads have started to die out and threads about coping with the issue is starting to emerge. It shows that this community is starting to somewhat accept that the overheating message may be there as a precaution. I think you missed my point about the camera turning off while in idle. I don't think that's an overheating issue but rather a feature the camera app is programmed to do to prevent it from useless staying on and wasting your battery. I haven't done any extensive testing but leaving my camera on idle, it shuts off. However, when I move it around and click a few buttons every once in awhile, it stays on.
Also, it's silly to compare a car to a phone...A car has an engine, belts, a whole gallon of liquid coolant, and a radiator. Your phone, it's a bunch of computer hardware that is calculating a lot of data in a small enclosed space with nothing but a heatsink to try to cool down your phone. If you really want to compare a car to a phone then take all the cooling features out of your engine (including all the fans and radiator) and let's see if your engine overheats or not.
Also for your information, yes... I own an iphone, ipad, and I'm one of the few people that owned the Z2 when it started to roll out.
Your issue does sound like it might be a defect. I've read of a small handful of people experiencing the overheating message just from regular photos. I believe those people sent it in for a repair under warranty and received new devices which fixed their problems. Try contacting the place you bought it from or a Sony store nearby.
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Ok, so i am not sure if my device is faulty as well, but i am sure it is not ok, when you, for example, watch youtube for 10 minutes, turn it off, than turn on photo camera and it turns itself off because of overheating (all other apps are closed at this moment)
My two penny's worth, I have been sat out in the sunshine trying to take pictures, ok it is warm, but this is England, we're talking 23degrees, but my camera won't take more than a couple of pics without shutting down.
Loving the phone otherwise, but the camera has always been a major factor in my choice of phone.
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Ok, so i am not sure if my device is faulty as well, but i am sure it is not ok, when you, for example, watch youtube for 10 minutes, turn it off, than turn on photo camera and it turns itself off because of overheating (all other apps are closed at this moment)
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When you put it into that perspective then your device may be one of the few that might be faulty. I'm able to watch HD videos on streaming apps for hours and then use my camera and it'll be fine.
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My two penny's worth, I have been sat out in the sunshine trying to take pictures, ok it is warm, but this is England, we're talking 23degrees, but my camera won't take more than a couple of pics without shutting down.
Loving the phone otherwise, but the camera has always been a major factor in my choice of phone.
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The same here regarding the choice of phone and the same story about filming or taking pictures in a sunny day.
BUT this post is not about it but what should we do about it. Somehow SONY has to answer us and acknowledge the problem. Ok, even if it is a few, they need to issue the confirmation that there might be this problem on some devices and what should we do about it. This is how the company should react to their mistakes.
The problem is with thermal handling the way I see it , the phone heats up because all cores are running at max frequency on longer duration. Sony mut have configured the kernel aggressively. It is likely possible this was done to allow 4k video recording even at short minutes time.
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The problem is with thermal handling the way I see it , the phone heats up because all cores are running at max frequency on longer duration. Sony mut have configured the kernel aggressively. It is likely possible this was done to allow 4k video recording even at short minutes time.
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Non-techie question, does it really necessary to use all cores at max when watching video? Or downloading data over 4g/wifi?
Relax guys, they are most likely working on the problem and will come with the solution of undervolting the cores or work on camera app resource efficiency.
One question, what ambient temperatures are you guys having problems with? Or better, where do you live? (Country and city)
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Personally, I don't understand what the big deal is with this overheating issue. I understand that people want to "futureproof" themselves because they "might" get a 4k display in the future but honestly, "futureproofing" should never be a factor when when it comes to the ever-changing world of electronics.
Samsung placed a 5 minute limit on their 4k and Sony decided to toss things up and give it a dynamic limit based on temperature. I go to concerts and many conventions and have yet to run into a situation where I thought "hey, it'll be a good idea to record this in 4k." While I understand your frustration about Sony not really addressing the issue, they did come out and say that people should only record in short clips.
If you're still really interested in recording long 4k videos and pushing your device to the limit then check out these threads:
Pesetio made a discovery that undervolting your phone could help slow down the heating of the phone thus longer 4k video - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2776605
Jackos released a mod where he pushed the thermal limit up 10 degrees celsius and this basically allowed you to ignore the overheating message and record 30+ minutes of 4k video - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2777712
However, after reading many "overheating" posts on this forum, I think a lot of people agree that the limiter is there for a reason and the longevity of the device supersedes our desire for longer 4k video recording.
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If the phone is genuinely getting red hot then of course you need to do whatever necessary to stop the phone overheating and causing harm to components (including the battery) but there IS an issue that can't be ignored/discounted even if some people aren't experiencing it.
The key question is: Is it hardware and therefore unfixable, or is it poor software that is causing the phone to run too hot despite there being no actual need for it to get that hot?
It's not just 4K video (I've come to accept that, unless Sony decides to undervolt as in the possible solution mentioned above, 4K video will be limited. It's not the end of the world, as while I may record some things in 4K it isn't going to be of any substantial length), it's just taking ordinary pictures.
Using mobile data also seems to be another factor. If you have, say, Photos or Dropbox uploading pictures and video in the background, that can also cause the phone to get red hot.
If you've got a good 4G connection and an unlimited data tariff, why wouldn't you want to upload stuff there and then (rather than waiting for Wi-Fi or when charging)? Doesn't seem to be a problem on other phones.
Sure, Google or Dropbox could fix things by having a setting to only auto upload when there's no other (major) CPU usage, but surely a Snapdragon 801 device isn't under stress because two things are happening at once? Uploading a file and taking a photo. If that pushes the phone to overheat, there HAS to be something Sony can do to fix it.
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My two penny's worth, I have been sat out in the sunshine trying to take pictures, ok it is warm, but this is England, we're talking 23degrees, but my camera won't take more than a couple of pics without shutting down.
Loving the phone otherwise, but the camera has always been a major factor in my choice of phone.
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Precisely. If you are getting the camera shutting down so it can 'cool down', when it's just 21-23 degrees (albeit humid and probably hotter when the phone is in direct sunlight) then you have to start wondering. God help those who take their Z2 to somewhere hot this summer hoping to take loads of photos and video.
Mind you, if it's by a pool then you can always dunk it in to cool it quicker!
Hi guys...
Although I agree to OP and I found this overheating as a quite big problem I expect this to happen.
Z2 has same Snapdragon 800 overclocked and named 801 so that's not device that could record 4K at this setup.
But...
I'm long time Sony user and I'm absolutely sure they will do everything they can do fix this.
It could be fixed quite easy as we all see (simple undervolting will do the trick)
Z2 is Sony's new way and after Z1 which I still have and I still believe it's great device, Z2 is next logical step with a expected issues.
Is that OK, of course not...
But, as I said, lets wait for a next bigger firmware update (I heard it's on its way).
You'll know when it comes because it'll have "2" instead of "1" (17.2.A.x.x.x) and I'm sure we'll have great device after that...
We all know 402 didn't do that so we have to wait new release.
Maybe we get 4.4.3 in that, next, big update...
If they don't find a way to fix that problem in next two or three updates then we all know it's hardware issue and we should find a way how to claim our rights.
To end this long post...
I totally support OP idea but let's give them a chance to fix that...
If that was only 4K problem I wouldn't say anything but heating (not overheating, at least not on my device) is present on video playback, on LTA download....
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Well, crap. Just when I am in the market to buy the Z2, I find this issue. Panama is a warm, tropical climate, and I am a bit concerned that the overheating isssue will be even worse here!
Is anyone else using the Z2 in such a climate?
I've read many reviews and watched dozens regarding the performance of this phone but I wanted to get some real user experiences. I'm planning to upgrade to this from my G3 which is hands down the worst phone I've ever had. So far, this phone looks promising but I wanted to know how it performs. My G3 lags really really bad and overheats to 95c+ which led to me having to downclock it. How does the XStyle (Pure) perform? Does the phone lag when multi tasking? How hot does the CPU get? Does it throttle? I don't really care for battery life as I'm never too far from a charger.
I'd really appreciate some answers to my questions as my current phone is really getting on my last nerves.
Thanks.
95c+ ??????????? 95 degrees centigrade is equal to 203 degrees Fahrenheit!
Water boils at 212 degrees Fahrenheit.
The hottest my phone has gotten is during initial setup, when it was downloading all the apps and I was setting them all up... That was about 117f (47c). It did it again right after I flashed TWRP and did my first Nandroid. But normal use, I haven't noticed it over 107f (41c), but I don't play games or do anything real intense on it. Just music and videos for the most part. My M9 got around that temp and ran that way more often with the same basic task.
I don't notice any real lag...There are some quirks that it has that will hopefully get worked out with an update. By "quirks" I mean the slight glitch when you rotate the phone 180 degrees while listening to music....That's the stereo separation swapping sides. I also noticed a slight glitch when listening to music stored on my SD card too, about every 4th or 5th song it will just do a real short "glitch" or "pause" like it's trying to catch up. I've tried a few other, class 10, SD cards and they all seem to do it for some reason? Not a big deal for me, but if I was playing them for people it might bother me a little.
I've read where people said Chrome was laggy, but coming from an HTC M9, I really don't notice anything that bothers me.
As for throttling, I haven't noticed any.....But I haven't gotten it hot enough for long periods at a time for it to do any (if it does).
I've been using mine for about a week and a half and the performance is great. I play a lot of Hearthstone on the phone and it's really smooth even with Facebook chats overlayed on it. My phone gets to mid 90's sometimes. It happened a lot the first few days, but has even out after that.
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95c+ ??????????? 95 degrees centigrade is equal to 203 degrees Fahrenheit!
Water boils at 212 degrees Fahrenheit.
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Yep. The phone shuts down after reaching 96c. I saw the high temperature warning way too many times before I downclocked.
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The hottest my phone has gotten is during initial setup, when it was downloading all the apps and I was setting them all up... That was about 117f (47c). It did it again right after I flashed TWRP and did my first Nandroid. But normal use, I haven't noticed it over 107f (41c), but I don't play games or do anything real intense on it. Just music and videos for the most part. My M9 got around that temp and ran that way more often with the same basic task.
I don't notice any real lag...There are some quirks that it has that will hopefully get worked out with an update. By "quirks" I mean the slight glitch when you rotate the phone 180 degrees while listening to music....That's the stereo separation swapping sides. I also noticed a slight glitch when listening to music stored on my SD card too, about every 4th or 5th song it will just do a real short "glitch" or "pause" like it's trying to catch up. I've tried a few other, class 10, SD cards and they all seem to do it for some reason? Not a big deal for me, but if I was playing them for people it might bother me a little.
I've read where people said Chrome was laggy, but coming from an HTC M9, I really don't notice anything that bothers me.
As for throttling, I haven't noticed any.....But I haven't gotten it hot enough for long periods at a time for it to do any (if it does).
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Thanks for the reply, your post made me more confident in choosing this phone to replace my g3.
SkuzeeII said:
I've been using mine for about a week and a half and the performance is great. I play a lot of Hearthstone on the phone and it's really smooth even with Facebook chats overlayed on it. My phone gets to mid 90's sometimes. It happened a lot the first few days, but has even out after that.
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Mid 90 Celsius?
Fahim92 said:
Yep. The phone shuts down after reaching 96c. I saw the high temperature warning way too many times before I downclocked.
Thanks for the reply, your post made me more confident in choosing this phone to replace my g3.
Mid 90 Celsius?
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YOU, fahim, mean fahrenheit.
I had LG G3 prior to MPXE and it never got this hot. I did however applied thermal paste. Anyways, MPXE is a good phone, definitely run cooler than G3. Its heavier and bigger than G3. Battery life is on par with G3. I find brightness and colors much better than G3.you won't regret this phone.
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YOU, fahim, mean fahrenheit.
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No, I know the difference and it is most definitely reaching upwards of 90 Celsius. Here's proof - http://imgur.com/a/OlrGP I've used other temperature monitoring apps and they all show the same, even CPU-Z.
Thanks for the replies everyone. I appreciate it a lot
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I had LG G3 prior to MPXE and it never got this hot. I did however applied thermal paste. Anyways, MPXE is a good phone, definitely run cooler than G3. Its heavier and bigger than G3. Battery life is on par with G3. I find brightness and colors much better than G3.you won't regret this phone.
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Thanks for the reply, mate. I'm definitely gonna place an order for this phone soon!
One last thing before I order it. I know that KitKat had removed the ability to be able to completely use the memory card, I.e, downloading stuff onto memory card. Has lollipop fixed that? I had to root my G3 and install a SD card fix in order to download torrents onto it as I mainly download on my phone now. Would I have to do the same with the Moto X?
I've read a lot of mixed info about it, including severe overheating, massive battery drain, limited functionality, etc. But those reviews were all old and for the Pixel/XL.
Has anyone here tried it out with the Axon 7 that can give their opinion on it? I've been considering it, now that Nougat is finally available, but at $113 CAD (yay taxes) that's a steep price for what appears to be a piece of cloth with bluetooth mini remote. As far as I know all the sensors and processing hardware are in the phone itself, unlike Samsung's VR headsets.
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I've read a lot of mixed info about it, including severe overheating, massive battery drain, limited functionality, etc. But those reviews were all old and for the Pixel/XL.
Has anyone here tried it out with the Axon 7 that can give their opinion on it? I've been considering it, now that Nougat is finally available, but at $113 CAD (yay taxes) that's a steep price for what appears to be a piece of cloth with bluetooth mini remote. As far as I know all the sensors and processing hardware are in the phone itself, unlike Samsung's VR headsets.
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I have a daydream view and have been playing with it for a few weeks now. At first, it was underwhelming. A lot of the apps available are really gimicky. But, after taking the time to find apps that would suit me, I have really enjoyed it. I got the headset for 49 dollars when they went on sale recently, and I still feel like that price is a stretch. You are right, it really is just a couple of pieces of glass, cloth, and a bluetooth remote. There is a workaround, where you can use another phone as the remote and just use google cardboard for the viewing device. I did that at first, but it was difficult to use the phone as a controller, since you don't have the tactile feel of the buttons. As far as the phone goes, it gets pretty warm, Once, I made it to 53 degrees celsius. But, it didn't shut the phone down and that was a one-time thing. It hasn't been super warm since. I don't know if that helps.
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I have a daydream view and have been playing with it for a few weeks now. At first, it was underwhelming. A lot of the apps available are really gimicky. But, after taking the time to find apps that would suit me, I have really enjoyed it. I got the headset for 49 dollars when they went on sale recently, and I still feel like that price is a stretch. You are right, it really is just a couple of pieces of glass, cloth, and a bluetooth remote. There is a workaround, where you can use another phone as the remote and just use google cardboard for the viewing device. I did that at first, but it was difficult to use the phone as a controller, since you don't have the tactile feel of the buttons. As far as the phone goes, it gets pretty warm, Once, I made it to 53 degrees celsius. But, it didn't shut the phone down and that was a one-time thing. It hasn't been super warm since. I don't know if that helps.
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It does help, thanks. But I'm wondering, how long were you typical sessions, and what were you running?
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It does help, thanks. But I'm wondering, how long were you typical sessions, and what were you running?
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I usually use it for 45 minutes to an hour. I really have just been playing around with all sorts of apps. Most of those sessions were in the Netflix VR app and in a game called Archer E. Bowman. I have also used it for non-daydream apps like litchi for flying my phantom drone. Interestingly enough, the time that the phone got really hot, I had it plugged in and was using a non-daydream app (roller coaster VR).
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I usually use it for 45 minutes to an hour. I really have just been playing around with all sorts of apps. Most of those sessions were in the Netflix VR app and in a game called Archer E. Bowman. I have also used it for non-daydream apps like litchi for flying my phantom drone. Interestingly enough, the time that the phone got really hot, I had it plugged in and was using a non-daydream app (roller coaster VR).
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Well it's not surprising at all that your phone was overheating considering you had it plugged in while using an app, nearly any phone would become really hot if you do that. These fast charging methods all (aside from Oppo/OnePlus's Dash Charging) do the voltage conversion in the phone, it's mind boggling how stupid that is, and yet that's how they work. Another thing that's infuriating to even think about is the internal design if you know what it is. I've seen an A7 taken apart and... it uses the BATTERY as a heatsink, yes the battery, the thing that degrades and loses maximum charge due to heat. The heat pipe is set up in a way to basically pass the SoC's heat directly to the battery.
So overall I guess what you're saying is good news, 45-60 mins typical usage and only overheating while having it plugged in is far better than all the reports I've seen about the Pixel/XL while using VR. Thanks once again.
I watched a two hour movie in two sessions, one with the phone plugged into a battery pack. It got warm, but nothing out of the ordinary. I would suggest the Full-size VR app for web browsing and viewing movies on the SD card.
The headset is definitely worth the money but the phone's power button is placed in the worst position possible - something that's true just for holding in the right hand as well!
got ours yesterday. Pretty interesting. very much in its infancy tho but you can see the potential. I agree about power button placement is a slight issue.
phone does get very warm. phone gave a warning once. I removed the case and that seemed to help. NOt really a big deal
I got the headset a couple of days ago because of the Nougat update, I've used it for playing games like need for speed VR and watching videos with YouTube VR and Skybox, also hooked it up to my PC to stream VR Games with trinus VR and such.
As someone who only had the original cardboard and then a cheap plastic headset, I'm in love with daydream, it doesn't compare at all to any full size VR like the Oculus or PlayStation VR but the quality is pretty good for a $50 device, I think it's worth it at this price.
On the performance side I was also worried because I've read the reviews and issues with the pixels but I have to say I'm amazed with the axon, it does get hot after a while but never had performance decrease, just a notification about the battery being hot, 53c (127f) was the highest I've had and that was after more than an hour of continuous VR usage. I was surprised that the phone cools down very quickly after exiting VR, ZTE has some great thermal management in this CPU, battery lasts long enough for my sessions of VR I've been getting like %25 drain for almost an hour in VR, so enough to watch a movie if at half battery most likely, but with QC 3.0 this is a none issue for me. People forget your phone is blasting away at full brightness, rendering 3D scenes with 3D positional audio while tracking every sensor and keeping an active low latency Bluetooth connection, NFC, a Cellphone connection and an Internet connection . I think it's pretty amazing.
Well there's only a single company selling the thing on Amazon which I never heard of but I said screw it and ordered it because there was only 1 white one left and it's my last day of Amazon Prime. Hopefully it doesn't stain too easily... and Xposed arrives soon because I'm not upgrading to Nougat until it does.
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I watched a two hour movie in two sessions, one with the phone plugged into a battery pack. It got warm, but nothing out of the ordinary. I would suggest the Full-size VR app for web browsing and viewing movies on the SD card.
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Sorry I'm not sure what you're referring to when you say Full-size VR app, as I said I'm waiting on Xposed before upgrading to Nougat so I can't install Daydream apps yet.
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The headset is definitely worth the money but the phone's power button is placed in the worst position possible - something that's true just for holding in the right hand as well!
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got ours yesterday. Pretty interesting. very much in its infancy tho but you can see the potential. I agree about power button placement is a slight issue.
phone does get very warm. phone gave a warning once. I removed the case and that seemed to help. NOt really a big deal
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Can't it just be placed in upside down so the strap doesn't press the power button?
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I got the headset a couple of days ago because of the Nougat update, I've used it for playing games like need for speed VR and watching videos with YouTube VR and Skybox, also hooked it up to my PC to stream VR Games with trinus VR and such.
As someone who only had the original cardboard and then a cheap plastic headset, I'm in love with daydream, it doesn't compare at all to any full size VR like the Oculus or PlayStation VR but the quality is pretty good for a $50 device, I think it's worth it at this price.
On the performance side I was also worried because I've read the reviews and issues with the pixels but I have to say I'm amazed with the axon, it does get hot after a while but never had performance decrease, just a notification about the battery being hot, 53c (127f) was the highest I've had and that was after more than an hour of continuous VR usage. I was surprised that the phone cools down very quickly after exiting VR, ZTE has some great thermal management in this CPU, battery lasts long enough for my sessions of VR I've been getting like %25 drain for almost an hour in VR, so enough to watch a movie if at half battery most likely, but with QC 3.0 this is a none issue for me. People forget your phone is blasting away at full brightness, rendering 3D scenes with 3D positional audio while tracking every sensor and keeping an active low latency Bluetooth connection, NFC, a Cellphone connection and an Internet connection . I think it's pretty amazing.
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Thanks for the detailed info. 53C should be perfectly fine, funny that's exactly what the first person reported as well. It's really high for a mobile device, but it shouldn't be dangerous... at least I hope the battery isn't that sensitive, because as I said they use the battery as a heatsink.
Sorry, autocorrect. Fulldive app. I even changed that twice.
Well I received mine today and there's still no sign of Nougat Xposed so I just used it without Daydream and I have to say:
Cons:
- The lenses are tiny and not adjustable, I was really hoping for better lenses since that's basically the entire cost of this thing.
- It's not exactly the most comfortable thing in the world, the strap sucks, it really needed to a top strap.
- It's designed for some sort of giant Neanderthal nose, it has so much room it could fit 2 of my noses in it.
- Putting the phone in upside doesn't always work since it can hit the volume button that way instead of power button, that and not all apps flip upside down.
- The "Snow White"/light gray looks nothing like the pictures, it's straight up grey.
Neutral:
- No app works perfectly well for it that I've seen yet, I might be forced to wait for Nougat/Daydream apps (I tried installing the apk, won't install on 6.0.1).
- The remote does nothing on 6.0.1 aside from connect.
Pros:
- The lenses are clear enough especially compared to the garbage plastic lenses others use, and it works for my eyes despite not being adjustable.
- Despite the sucky strap the fact that it's lighter than plastic models makes up a lot in the comfort department. That tiny difference in weight makes the device usable with that subpar strap.
Tl;DR - For a $100 device I expected a lot better quality, but this might be the best that can be had for the Axon 7, I guess I'm stuck waiting on Nougat Xposed until I find out just how good this thing is.
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Sorry, autocorrect. Fulldive app. I even changed that twice.
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Fulldive is awkward and doesn't work for me. When you hold one position to select something, it doesn't work for whatever reason when I have the phone inserted in the DD View, it just does the loop/circle then nothing happens. If I have the phone out of headset then it works. Either way it doesn't seem like an easy to use app.
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Tl;DR - For a $100 device I expected a lot better quality, but this might be the best that can be had for the Axon 7, I guess I'm stuck waiting on Nougat Xposed until I find out just how good this thing is.
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I'm sorry that you've had a poor experience. I paid $50 for mine and find it comfortable, easy to wear for long periods of time, and the Daydream app performs very well. Fulldive is awkward, but once I learned how to properly use it, it made a world of difference.
Hi, I'm really happy there is a discussion to the Daydream headset. I'm also sceptical on the quality (sure is better than cardboard...), but another thing is that besides the controller, I don't understand what's the hype about it? Seems pretty average, no top strap..
I'm also looking to get some VR for the Axon, however the ones that I've seen are really not optimal - all of them press either volume or in most cases the power button. I guess that the ZTE VR won't really be produced now with the Daydream support (or available to get in another way), so are there any feasible alternatives?
Hi. Does anybody have these problems with Daydream? Initial tiles doesn't load properly and install button on VR Play Store doesn't appear...
Please everyone interested in daydream on LOS vote for this bug https://jira.lineageos.org/projects/BUGBASH/issues/BUGBASH-284?filter=allopenissues
I have one, it's alright. No deal breakers, but it's not great either.
In terms of software, The apps are just not there yet. There are a ton of video portals, unfinished game demos, and apps that we already knew from Cardboard, and honestly not much else. I hear Samsung Gear VR has a much richer set of apps, so Daydream really needs to catch up. Add to that the Lineage OS issues (mentioned above), which exclude Daydream from working properly with LOS-based ROMs., and the software situation is not great. I think we need to give it some time.
In terms of hardware, it works but is quirky. Lack of a top strap is not great, leads to most people over-tightening the rear strap. The optics are okay, not great, with a 90 degree field of view - Better than most Cardboard clones, but well below dedicated headsets, or even Samsung Gear VR. Light can leak in from the back, but you can stuff a tissue or something between the side and the face pad to compensate. It's light and fairly comfortable, though, and gets the job done.
The remote works well, and the idea of putting a trackpad in your hand that can sense both taps and clicks, plus a pointer, gives you a lot to work with. It drifts, though, which means you'll be using that recenter function a lot.
Overall, while it may sound like I really don't like it, VR is really cool, and Daydream, for $50 (on sale), is a great way to jump into it. Just bear in mind that it feels like a promising beta more than a finished product.
To answer some of the questions and concerns in this thread:
The power button on the Axon 7 isn't really an issue. No, you usually can't put the phone in upside-down - Some apps will tell you to flip it when you try, others will have glitches like InMind 2 having upside down subtitles. Instead, just pull the latching band to the left a bit as you secure the phone, and it will clear the power button no problem. I believe the latest stock firmware disregards power button long-press when in Daydream mode, too, so there's that too.
Overheating is somewhat of an issue. If you use Daydream for gaming for an hour straight, yeah the phone gets hot - 63C or so is the highest I've seen, and I use the included case which may trap in more heat too. It hasn't been a problem affecting performance, and while the battery does drain fast, it's not really draining faster than you would with a more traditional game.
I'm actually surprised at how little battery is used considering the heat it puts out.
I like it. I think it works smooth. Mostly good for watching movies or shows. Not a lot of games available.
Note: It exacerbates the Do Not Disturb issue. It, just like the schedule, can turn it on but can't turn it off. Disable the access to prevent the issue.
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I usually use it for 45 minutes to an hour. I really have just been playing around with all sorts of apps. Most of those sessions were in the Netflix VR app and in a game called Archer E. Bowman. I have also used it for non-daydream apps like litchi for flying my phantom drone. Interestingly enough, the time that the phone got really hot, I had it plugged in and was using a non-daydream app (roller coaster VR).
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Hi, were you able to fly your DJI drone in VR with the google daydream? I have looked everywhere on the web for answers but couldn't find anything!