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A very interesting read.......
Original Thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=913045
Hello,
I’m going to step across the NDAs and explain the issues behind the Android Froyo update to Samsung Galaxy S phones in the United States. I think most of you have come to this realization yourself now: the withholding of the Froyo update is a largely political one, not a technological one: Froyo runs quite well on Galaxy S phones, as those of you that have run leaked updates may have noticed.
To explain the political situation, first, a primer on how phone firmware upgrades work for carriers. When a carrier decides to sell a phone, a contract is usually written between the phone manufacturer and the carrier. In this contract, the cost of updates (to the carrier) is usually outlined. Updates are usually broken into several types: critical updates, maintenance updates, and feature updates. Critical updates are those that resolve a critical bug in the phone, such as the phone overheating. Maintenance updates involve routine updates to resolve bugs and other issues reported by the carrier. Finally, feature updates add some new feature in software that wasn’t present before. Critical updates are usually free, maintenance updates have some maintenance fee associated with them, and feature updates are usually costly.
In the past, most phone updates would mainly consist of critical and maintenance updates. Carriers almost never want to incur the cost of a feature update because it is of little benefit to them, adds little to the device, and involves a lot of testing on the carrier end. Android has changed the playing field, however – since the Android Open Source Project is constantly being updated, and that information being made widely available to the public, there is pressure for the phone to be constantly updated with the latest version of Android. With most manufacturers, such as HTC, Motorola, etc. This is fine and considered a maintenance upgrade. Samsung, however, considers it a feature update, and requires carriers to pay a per device update fee for each incremental Android update.
Now, here’s where the politics come in: most U.S. carriers aren’t very happy with Samsung’s decision to charge for Android updates as feature updates, especially since they are essentially charging for the Android Open Source Project’s efforts, and the effort on Samsung’s end is rather minimal. As a result of perhaps, corporate collusion, all U.S. carriers have decided to refuse to pay for the Android 2.2 update, in hopes that the devaluation of the Galaxy S line will cause Samsung to drop their fees and give the update to the carriers. The situation has panned out differently in other parts of the world, but this is the situation in the United States.
Some of you might have noticed Verion’s Fascinate updated, but without 2.2 : This is a result of a maintenance agreement Samsung must honor combined with Verizon’s unwillingness to pay the update fees.
In short, Android 2.2 is on hold for Galaxy S phones until the U.S. carriers and Samsung reach a consensus.
Some might wonder why I didn’t deliver this over a more legitimate news channel – the short answer: I don’t want to lose my job. I do, however, appreciate transparency, which is why I'm here.
Lesson learned, don't go with Samsung Products if you want a device that will be valued in the future. So all of these upcoming Samsung products, should be crossed off the list of a upgrade path.
HTC, Motorola, and LG will have an upper-hand if this trend continues.
Sorry put this is a repost
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Seriously, this will be the very last time I let this thread be duplicated. If a member makes another thread referring to another thread on this site, especially this specific one, I will ban you for 1 week. PERIOD
Seriously, it's releasing in 2 days and no pricing or availability details??
This is ridiculous.
Has a company ever announced a product and simply never released it?
Others are noticing this too:
http://mobile.theverge.com/2013/9/22/4759120/wheres-the-samsung-galaxy-note-10-1-2014-edition
Probably the tablet won't release in 2 days...
Guich said:
Probably the tablet won't release in 2 days...
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Frakking liars.
September 25, pshh.
I thought Samsung said October release... at least for the USA .
nightfox11 said:
I thought Samsung said October release... at least for the USA .
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Yes, but Sept 25 for over 100 countries. If there was such a massive launch scheduled within 2 days, don’t you think we’d hear something about it? Pricing, which European stores were going to carry it, unboxing videos, hands-on reviews with retail units, etc.
But nothing!
So this makes me think that those countries aren’t getting it soon. And if they are delayed, then you better believe we will be, too.
This blows.
In italy nobody have notice about the new Note...
I did a quick search for Samsung's IFA 2013 announcement's and The Verge noted the GN10.1 2014 Edition was slated for an October release with no specific date provided. Just figures.
Han Solo 1 said:
Yes, but Sept 25 for over 100 countries. If there was such a massive launch scheduled within 2 days, don’t you think we’d hear something about it? Pricing, which European stores were going to carry it, unboxing videos, hands-on reviews with retail units, etc.
But nothing!
So this makes me think that those countries aren’t getting it soon. And if they are delayed, then you better believe we will be, too.
This blows.
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I have seen no official release date from Samsung for anywhere. I have seen speculation all over the place including Sept 24, Sept 25 and Oct 4. Nut all of those dates have come from blogs and rss news, nothing official.
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According to this article it won't be available in Canada until November.
http://www.newswire.ca/en/story/122...5-great-items-to-its-galaxy-family-of-devices
According to Samsung Switzerland (on Facebook) we'll be getting it 'mid-october', the LTE version 'end of october'.
For a device that's supposed to be available in three weeks, I find this lack of information very strange.
I don't get why so many tech companies don't get this. This is why Apple is as successful as it is, they don't pull this kind of thing.
The_Maverick said:
According to Samsung Switzerland (on Facebook) we'll be getting it 'mid-october', the LTE version 'end of october'.
For a device that's supposed to be available in three weeks, I find this lack of information very strange.
I don't get why so many tech companies don't get this. This is why Apple is as successful as it is, they don't pull this kind of thing.
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Galaxy Note 3 (deservedly) Galaxy Gear (not so deservedly) is taking all the attention it appears. However, they could throw us a bone here and there. I know that they don't expect a lot of sales but still, as I said in another thread, if you want to gain loyal customers, you don't pull this kind of stuff.
Pull what kind of stuff?
They showed a upcoming product, never announced a release date, and have yet to do so (likely because they don't have one yet). I'm not sure what the alternative is other than to just make one up and then miss it?
Personally I'd rather them wait to announce anything until it's a sure bet and I respect them for that.
Nothing pisses me off more than having a release date and it gets missed or there is a shortage.
I really don't understand the current hysteria lol...
Looks like this may shed some light on when it's coming....
http://mobilesyrup.com/2013/09/23/s...-and-galaxy-s4-mini-to-canada-on-october-4th/
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I'm selling my current note and moving on to the surface pro or either the Lenovo yoga 11s. I was going to get the new note but I need more power.
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It's impossible
I don't want buy the tablet at November, i need this before.
Guich said:
It's impossible
I don't want buy the tablet at November, i need this before.
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My Prediction based on the roll out of roms for the Wifi & WIFI+3G Variants
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2457074
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2457071
That these variants will be released as rumored before end of September early October. ( which seems promising for Middle east, Africa & European countries )
The LTE 4G version seems to be released on a later stage - probably November. ( For North America )
lsherif said:
My Prediction based on the roll out of roms for the Wifi & WIFI+3G Variants
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2457074
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2457071
That these variants will be released as rumored before end of September early October. ( which seems promising for Middle east, Africa & European countries )
The LTE 4G version seems to be released on a later stage - probably November. ( For North America )
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I will buy the 4G edition...
Will see, samsung fail atm!
Screw this. If they keep us in the dark, I'll just go with IPad 5.
Bring on the flamers, I don't care.
codeman05 said:
Pull what kind of stuff?
They showed a upcoming product, never announced a release date, and have yet to do so (likely because they don't have one yet). I'm not sure what the alternative is other than to just make one up and then miss it?
Personally I'd rather them wait to announce anything until it's a sure bet and I respect them for that.
Nothing pisses me off more than having a release date and it gets missed or there is a shortage.
I really don't understand the current hysteria lol...
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I agree, a release date that is announced but then not honored is also very annoying.
What I mean is that they announce a device, with some kind of release date (at least an approximate one; at least in some areas) but yet there is very little information (for example the price) out there fore interested customers.
In my opinion, if you announce a device you need to be able to present a release schedule and reccommended retail pricing. Otherwise people are going to get excited about your device at the announcement but then get frustrated during the wait of indeterminate length.
This is the example that I experienced: The Note is announced at the end of august. Weeks later, online stores (where I live) still didn't have it in their catalogue and asking customer support, they said they had no info about it, be it price, release date or even if they will have it, because they were not informed by samsung. When the new iPhones were announced the stores had them in their catalogues on the same day, pricing, release date and all. Today you can buy the new iPhones, which were announced two weeks after the Note, of which there is still no sight.
From a marketing point of view it just doesn't make sense to me. You spend a lot of money and effort announcing your device, trying to get people excited over it. But because people can not act on their excitement (for a long time) all that energy just dissipates, instead of it going into pre-orders/sales.
well you can play with the firmware already ;] i uploaded it to my server for fast dl http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2457067 njoy
The_Maverick said:
I agree, a release date that is announced but then not honored is also very annoying.
What I mean is that they announce a device, with some kind of release date (at least an approximate one; at least in some areas) but yet there is very little information (for example the price) out there fore interested customers.
In my opinion, if you announce a device you need to be able to present a release schedule and reccommended retail pricing. Otherwise people are going to get excited about your device at the announcement but then get frustrated during the wait of indeterminate length.
This is the example that I experienced: The Note is announced at the end of august. Weeks later, online stores (where I live) still didn't have it in their catalogue and asking customer support, they said they had no info about it, be it price, release date or even if they will have it, because they were not informed by samsung. When the new iPhones were announced the stores had them in their catalogues on the same day, pricing, release date and all. Today you can buy the new iPhones, which were announced two weeks after the Note, of which there is still no sight.
From a marketing point of view it just doesn't make sense to me. You spend a lot of money and effort announcing your device, trying to get people excited over it. But because people can not act on their excitement (for a long time) all that energy just dissipates, instead of it going into pre-orders/sales.
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Bravo!
Came across this today
http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/1...ce-pixel-phones-us-division-badly-struggling/
According to a source familiar with Huawei's operations, the Chinese smartphone and telecoms giant's device division has been having a very difficult time attempting to break into the fickle US market. Not only that, but rumors that Huawei was pegged as the manufacturer of Google's 2016 smartphone portfolio were, at one point, true: negotiations between Huawei and Google broke down when the latter demanded no partner logos be on its new smartphones. But the drama runs even deeper than that, if our source is to be believed, starting with the Nexus program.
In 2015, Huawei entered into a partnership with Google to produce the Nexus 6P. You may have noticed the 5X and 6P were announced and marketed a bit more boldly than previous Nexus smartphones. They had special warranties, fairly large advertising campaigns (for Nexus devices), and Google even offered device financing for them on its Project Fi MVNO. I had taken this, in light of revelations about the upcoming Pixel phones, to mean that the 5X and 6P were something of a ramp-up to the more fully-developed Pixel project. A market test of sorts. Our source, however, says that Huawei and Google's partnership on the Nexus 6P was never fully realized, and that it was actually far more ambitious than what we ended up with.
Initially, Google allegedly sold Huawei on the idea that the Nexus 6P would be stocked and sold by all four major US carriers. It was Huawei's big chance to finally be on store shelves in a huge number of retailers across the United States, and no doubt was a major reason they were so invested in the project. In particular, Huawei wanted its smartphones on Verizon - it's not exactly clear why, apart from the obvious (Verizon is the largest or 2nd largest US carrier, depending on the quarter). Google and Huawei would also embark on a massive, multi-hundred-million dollar ad campaign for the Nexus 6P, with an agreement that each company would match the advertising dollars the other was willing to invest. But that never happened.
Talks between Google and the carriers broke down (surprise!). The Nexus 6P and 5X were never sold by any major US network operator. In the end, Google demanded Google Store near-exclusivity in the US for the phones for a fixed period before allowing them to be sold on channels like Amazon, Best Buy, and B&H, limiting the devices' retail visibility. Huawei was, perhaps as a concession, allowed to sell the device on its own website at launch. But the grand Nexus 6P project never truly came to fruition, and it seemed the plan to get a Google phone back in a carrier store was put on the back burner in 2015.
Fast-forward shortly after the Nexus 5X and 6P launched, and Google began talks with Huawei to produce its 2016 smartphone portfolio - allegedly up to three phones, not just the two we ended up with. It's unclear if they would have been branded Pixel, Nexus, or both (e.g., two Pixels and a cheaper Nexus). Google, though, set a hard rule for the partnership: Huawei would be relegated to a manufacturing role, producing phones with Google branding. The Huawei logo and name would be featured nowhere on the devices' exteriors or in their marketing, much like the Pixel phones built by HTC that we'll see unveiled tomorrow. According to our source, word spread inside Huawei quickly that global CEO Richard Yu himself ended negotiations with Google right then and there. Huawei was off the table for the new smartphones. Google's "plan B" - HTC - ended up winning the contract.
But our source claims the great irony of this is that Huawei ended up passing on a chance to finally get one of its smartphones in a Verizon store (the Pixels will be sold by Verizon), even if it didn't have the Huawei logo or mention of Huawei in its marketing. It could have, theoretically, set the stage for Huawei to work with Verizon in the future, however.
In the interim, Huawei's US division hasn't gained significant market traction. Despite achieving critical success [with Google] with the Nexus 6P last year, the company's smartphone efforts in the US have all basically fizzled. For example, the Honor 5X badge-engineered Huawei GX8 moved what amounted to essentially no units at all. Even non-smartphone products haven't done well: our source described the company's Surface competitor, MateBook, as an "absolute flop," despite the fact that Huawei still allegedly wants to produce two or three generations of the devices. Only the budget brand, Honor, has seen appreciable sales, and those were described as just "OK" for the lackluster but inexpensive 5X, while the new Honor 8 apparently debuted in the US with momentum well below expectations. I say that because just a month after the Honor 8 launched, Huawei sacked essentially the entire Honor US team according to our source - an event that, as far as we know, has not been communicated publicly.
At IFA, Huawei did suggest that the Huawei Device US team had undergone significant changes, with the US CEO ousted and much of the Western team having since been removed, as well. What employees remain are almost exclusively Chinese expatriates - people largely unfamiliar with the American market that Huawei has struggled so badly in. Our source intimated that Huawei's future US strategy is, at best, in flux. The company's P9 smartphone never officially went on sale here, nor did its generally acclaimed Mate 8. A planned LTE version of the Huawei Watch has been pushed back pending Google's release of Android Wear 2.0, and rumors are swirling that Huawei may even be considering Tizen for future smartwatches (our source was unable to confirm this rumor). Huawei's next major product announcement is anticipated to be the new Mate 9, or whatever it's called, which many expect will be revealed next month at an event in Germany, once again suggesting that Huawei probably doesn't intend to push the device here in the US.
Finally, our source suggested that, despite fallout resulting from the Nexus 6P and the lost Pixel deal, the relationship between Huawei and Google remains strong. The two companies continue to pursue strategic initiatives and products together (including that rumored tablet which, sadly, we've learned nothing new about), and Huawei is allegedly heavily invested in making its next-generation Kirin chipsets Daydream VR-friendly.
Perhaps the most interesting tidbit, though? Our source claims that Huawei is one manufacturer currently being solicited by Google to produce a phone (i.e., Google has put a call out for bids to potential partners) - for the second half of 2017. A mid-range device, at that - suggesting maybe this phone won't be Pixel-branded. I hate to leave you all on a cliffhanger like that, but unfortunately, it's all we have for now. But if our previous leak regarding Google's 2017 plans is any indicator, next year is shaping up to be very, very interesting for Google and Android.
We've reached out to Huawei for comment on this story and will update if we receive a reply.
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No wonder there hasn't been a update in a long time for the KIW-L24 -_-, because from what I just read, Huawei sacked their entire freaking USA Honor team... (Still on May security patch)
clsA said:
Came across this today
http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/1...ce-pixel-phones-us-division-badly-struggling/
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well, that was certainly interesting... I'm gonna see what Huawei replies to this story or even if the reply or not :/
They've built the nexus 6p pretty well, and they could have produced a better pixel phone if they've accepted the offer
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No wonder there hasn't been a update in a long time for the KIW-L24 -_-, because from what I just read, Huawei sacked their entire freaking USA Honor team... (Still on May security patch)
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If that's true, our chances of getting an official Nougat are very slim
JT-on said:
If that's true, our chances of getting an official Nougat are very slim
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I asked Honor support and they said Nougat could come early 2017.
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I asked Honor support and they said Nougat could come early 2017.
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Well who ever told you that is PROBABLY lying, misinformed, or the representative from Honor Support USA is doing the same. Here's what I got in response from Miles S the representative from Honor USA that I spoke to regarding if Android 7.0 Nougat would come to the KIW-L24.
Miles S
Hi there! Thank you for reaching Honor Device USA. How may I be of help today?
Jordan
Hello, I was wondering if Android 7.0 Nougat is going to be released to the Honor 5X KIW-L24 US Variant?
Miles S
Hey Jordan!
It's not, our Honor 5X is topping out at Marshmallow. However, it will still receive some updates.
Jordan
I was told by another representative that it would early 2017, is that just lies then?
Miles S
I wouldn't say that, our Honor 8 will get 7.0, just not our 5X.
Jordan
I thought that both devices would get supported for at least 2 years upon release, and the Honor 5X has only been released for 10 months, only 2 months away from a year.
Miles S
I'm just passing down the information I get. Honor 5X will still get support, but it won't be making the move to 7.0.
Jordan
Is it because of the hardware (CPU) Snapdragon 616 that is not allowing it to be upgraded to 7.0?
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Possibly, we haven't gotten an exact reason yet.
(So TLR, better get a Honor 8, or buy another phone, or wait for CM14 with 7.0 Nougat for the Honor 5X, because that's probably the best hope we have)
Oh no, not a great news for me
Alright so the word on the street is that the S8 and S8+ beta starts tomorrow.
Anyone got a line on when/if the Note 8 will see the beta program as well, or will we be left out in the cold for early access to the software?
Also I can't remember but did AT&T participate in the S7 S7e beta. I know at least a couple of carriers decided not too last year just not sure which ones it was.
New's on the S8/S8+ beta starting tomorrow maybe.
https://www.phonearena.com/news/Sam...-for-Galaxy-S8-as-early-as-October-31_id99385
Does not look like AT&T is part of the beta. T-Mobile and Sprint only, based on info in Samsung document. http://static.samsungmembers.com/betatest/binary/us/faq_sub.html
MadRed said:
Does not look like AT&T is part of the beta. T-Mobile and Sprint only, based on info in Samsung document. http://static.samsungmembers.com/betatest/binary/us/faq_sub.html
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True but if they are going to do a Note 8 beta we could flash the Tmobile firmware then join the beta. I did that on my S7e a year ago.
My LG g3 has 8.0 cm15. What's taking Samsung and carriers so long to get it. They don't have to bloat it all up lol.
Huawei will deliver its GPU Turbo tech to older phones, from flagship to mid-range
https://www.gsmarena.com/huawei_wil...ones_from_flagship_to_midrange-news-31649.php
you'll notice Mate 9 is slated for September (yea I'll believe it when I see it)
But, yanno, if it happens, it'll be a good free boost - hell maybe they'll stick in Oreo 8.1 or higher too ad we lose the pesky screen dimming thing & have PROPER WORKING BLUETOOTH AGAIN! who knows
Yes, fingers crossed
LOL probably will be blocked for the USA version though, considering how the U.S. government treated them this spring
Nice info thx, this phone was a great investment.
I can see that it's already out for 2 regions C185B380 and C636B377 on Firmware Finder. Surely other regions will follow within a month time. Add another of course for firmware to be approved for installation.
I thought we're only going to see security updates from here on out
Android Pie It will arrive soon