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I made some test with my wifes phone - a galaxy 5 - and I was impressed with the performance. My wifes phone is totally stock (froyo), no root or deodex or other stuff but it has a Quadrant score of 520. My stock SG3 has a score of 321 and 607 with G3Mod and Kyrillos 8. So I did another test (Antutu) and checked the 2D and 3D performance. The stock SG5 has a 3D score of 450 while my SG3 only has 250. The RAM and CPU scores of the SG5 are lower than my scores. So I guess the reason for the high SG5 scores is the 3D grafics. But why is that? Is it because of the lower screen resolution, or the lower density, or the fewer colors, or ...? Maybe somebody can enlighten me.
Another issue. I put my old SD card in the SG5 and it has a reading speed of 9MB/s. When the card was in my phone I only had a reading speed of 4 MB/sec? Why is that?
The G3 has a CPU speed advantage (667MHz vs. 600Mhz) but the G5 has a lower-res screen (QVGA, vs. WQVGA) as an advantage....thats one of the main reason
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@raja no that doesn't affect much
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G3 got a damn good processor (Samsung s5p6442) while g5 has a qualcomm
But g3 has a fimg gpu compared to the adreno200 in g5
And yea these scores are just scores, if we want we can even get 1000+, real life performance matters
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I tryed - doesn't do a thing for me
@cedeai: thanx
this sdcardreadingspeedfix script did'nt work for me too
my sister has a sg5, compared to our phone is really fast, and also plays games better, like angry birds, without overclocking, and their port of cm7 is amazing
Hello XDA! Greetings from Berlin. :highfive:
My name is Johann I'm a Berlin based Electronics Engineer.
You may be wondering why I'm posting here... Right? Well... I'm building my big dream... The fastest ever Android QuadCore tablet based on an Exynos SOC. Yes, the 4412.
Is there anybody here who wants to give me some suggestions?
From now on, my team and I have successfully integrated the SOC, a GPS + BT module, and, an HD Screen.
What would you like to see on a tablet?
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Hello XDA! Greetings from Berlin. :highfive:
My name is Johann I'm a Berlin based Electronics Engineer.
You may be wondering why I'm posting here... Right? Well... I'm building my big dream... The fastest ever Android QuadCore tablet based on an Exynos SOC. Yes, the 4412.
Is there anybody here who wants to give me some suggestions?
From now on, my team and I have successfully integrated the SOC, a GPS + BT module, and, an HD Screen.
What would you like to see on a tablet?
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Isn't that essentially the Note 10.1?
Well first let me say this is the coolest thing i've seen on here, i know nothing about phone/tablet hardware but i know a LOT about computer hardware, since this is a tablet would a laptop GPU work in it? Also if possible you should try and take a 4G antenna from another tablet and put it in here, Also could you give us detailed specs? Like the PPI and such of the screen?
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Isn't that essentially the Note 10.1?
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Mmm... Yes... but the size of the screen will be 8" or 9.7", and, we're building it to never exceed the 159USD as our target price on Bill Of Materials Any suggestion will be appreciated. Thanks for writing!
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Well first let me say this is the coolest thing i've seen on here, i know nothing about phone/tablet hardware but i know a LOT about computer hardware, since this is a tablet would a laptop GPU work in it? Also if possible you should try and take a 4G antenna from another tablet and put it in here, Also could you give us detailed specs? Like the PPI and such of the screen?
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Hi PantechBurstOwner
That's a good idea. We've been researching about the 4G module, and, actually testing it.
The screen we're testing now is an HD 1024x768px, this one is a normal IPS screen (132PPI from LG), but there's a better one comming. I'll update as soon as it arrives here.
For the 4G modem, the main challange is to find a module thin enough to fit on the casing. On the picture attached you can see the left prototype has 3G module in (A 4G one will fit too), and, the right one is much thinner, and, a 4G module doesn't fit
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Hi PantechBurstOwner
That's a good idea. We've been researching about the 4G module, and, actually testing it.
The screen we're testing now is an HD 1024x768px, this one is a normal IPS screen (132PPI from LG), but there's a better one comming. I'll update as soon as it arrives here.
For the 4G modem, the main challange is to find a module thin enough to fit on the casing. On the picture attached you can see the left prototype has 3G module in (A 4G one will fit too), and, the right one is much thinner, and, a 4G module doesn't fit
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I think the dimensions of the nexus 7 is prefect, yours looks a bit more like kindle fire HD, personally not a fan of it but I'd still use it . Also what are your plans for the speakers and GPU?
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I think the dimensions of the nexus 7 is prefect, yours looks a bit more like kindle fire HD, personally not a fan of it but I'd still use it . Also what are your plans for the speakers and GPU?
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Thanks for the comments. For the GPU it'll be the ARM's Mali400 MP (4 Cores Version), the same being used by the Galaxy S3. The CPU will be clocked at 1.6GHZ, so it'll be smooth.
Now we're thinking about the Firmware, as our prototype is now running on Stock Android, but my idea is to do something more impressive.
Which firmware would you love to see running on it? Cyanogen?
Cyanogenmod would be great, if it's smaller though (think 7 inches) think Paranoid Android.
What would really differentiate it, would be if you already had a dual boot preinstalled on it with a little taste of everything. i.e. MIUI, CM10, and one more ultra customizable ROM (I suppose CM10) with themes that could be applied straight through the software. I understand this would probably be a pain to do, but it would make your tablet the MOST versatile tablet out there.
Also, consider like Asus, you may want to consider shoving a port on the bottom for a keyboard dock. Big fan of keyboards...
(Yes I understand I'm practically spamming you with ideas and not many of them are possible, nonetheless, lots of ideas are better than none... no?)
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Thanks for the comments. For the GPU it'll be the ARM's Mali400 MP (4 Cores Version), the same being used by the Galaxy S3. The CPU will be clocked at 1.6GHZ, so it'll be smooth.
Now we're thinking about the Firmware, as our prototype is now running on Stock Android, but my idea is to do something more impressive.
Which firmware would you love to see running on it? Cyanogen?
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some magical custom firmware with an awesome name, also whats the specs on the battery?
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Thanks for the comments. For the GPU it'll be the ARM's Mali400 MP (4 Cores Version), the same being used by the Galaxy S3. The CPU will be clocked at 1.6GHZ, so it'll be smooth.
Now we're thinking about the Firmware, as our prototype is now running on Stock Android, but my idea is to do something more impressive.
Which firmware would you love to see running on it? Cyanogen?
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Would you consider a proposal to the cyanogenmod team? It'll be nice to see a highly customizable stock firmware on a tablet..
Big +1
Ain't using separate 4G module too expensive? I don't think there should be any problem in fitting it onboard if you integrate it into one PCB design.
I'd like to see all unused cpu I/Os breaked out into set of pads onboard and documented, like UART, second USB port, I2C bus, FIMC interfaces and so on.
Also, don't get me wrong but if this project doesn't get realised (I really wish it does) - please publish non-NDA documentation. :]
MicroSD, maybe a USB port (unless it's too thick). Sounds pretty siiiick
This goes straight to my Christmas wish list!
But instead of a crippled Cyanogenmod I'd rather see dual-booting to Ubuntu and perhaps some Linaro builds. Staying close to Samsung SGS3 stock, may be a good idea for compatibility issues.
USB3 + HDMI + Front-facing Cam + JTAG over USB support (1149.7, NIDnT) + possibly UART HW debug
But perhaps more importantly, everything should be easily accessible from outside your platform so we can help hacking it back into shape when something goes wrong! Second, make sure we can freely mess with the boot configuration... I'd be happy to help sponsoring the low profile SMT DIP switch for boot config.
If you have space problems you should seriously consider using a quad-core (Krait) Snapdragon S4 Pro (MSM8960T) PoP SoC instead. Because if not, you'll need external modem support. So in your current configuration, what modem are you using? If you use the Intel XMM6260 you'll need a lot more support components, AFAICT, unless their new flagship (XMM7160) has managed even more integration somehow.
Good Luck!
so how long does the battery last? like how many mah or whatever it is lol also what would be cool is dual booting instead of ubuntu dual boot to windows 8, also a built in stand=somuchwin
Exynos 4 going to be outdated soon.
Regardless, I hope this tablet sees the light of day. A tablet that lets you easily install custom ROMs by default has been long overdue.
(Or, yes, an ubuntu tablet, though I'm not sure if even A15 would be fast enough.)
NFC, it HAS TO HAVE NFC dont build it into the back cover, if i were to get this i would paint the back and throw some LED's in it, i cant do that with my nexus 7
Edit: what processor is this?!!!!! http://gyazo.com/b8e91207a4115e1c91b2d0164c52cbc1
Well, this is a great idea First I would consider not using 4G if you don't want to go in an expensive way... I would also consider using Stock Android ROM for the fans out there (like for example with the G Nexus) Processor you can use the powerful one from the Galaxy Note 10.1, but I also like tegra processors.
Subscribing to this thread!
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Edit: what processor is this?!!!!! http://gyazo.com/b8e91207a4115e1c91b2d0164c52cbc1
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It's the "latest" ST-Ericsson NovaThor LP9600 (aka Nova A9600)!
2.5GHz, 28 nm Technology. Dual ARM Cortex-A9 Harvard Superscalar processor core, Multi-layer AHB/AXI bus, ARM TrustZone, ARM NEON SIMD engine, dual-channel LP-DDR2 SD RAM interface, 1080p HDMI, Rogue GPU, 1080p video encode, 1080p video decode, 3D HD video capture and display, QXGA display support, Dual camera support up to 20 Mpixel and 5 Mpixel, USB 2.0
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But because of ST-Ericssons financial troubles, it's unlikely we'll see any full scale production of this chip within the next 6 months...if ever.
What about screen?
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The screen we're testing now is an HD 1024x768px, this one is a normal IPS screen (132PPI from LG), but there's a better one comming. I'll update as soon as it arrives here.
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That's the screen currently its like 8 or 9.7" and he said make suggestions if you can lol
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So Ive had my Note 4 for a nice bit, but now its time to stack it up against its in house brothers. Ive got in my stock an AT&T Samsung Galaxy S5 and a Wifi only Note 10.1 2014.
Both are the newest in their segments from Samsung, both packing some pretty great hardware. Lets break down how they compare with a few benchmarks. The two of which I decided to use was 3D Mark and Vellamo.
First I want to go over a brief overview of the specs for the unfamiliar.
Note 10.1 -Wifi only
Screen: 10.1" WQXGA Clear LCD (2560 x 1600), 299 ppi
CPU: Exynos® 5 Octa (1.9GHz Quadcore + 1.3 GHz Quadcore)
GPU: ARM Mali T628MP6 (6 Core)
RAM: 3Gb
Memory: 16GB with 32Gb Class 10 Micro SD
Sprint Note 4
Screen: 5.7” Quad HD Super AMOLED (2560 x1440), 515 ppi
CPU: Snapdragon 805 Quadcore 2.7GHz
GPU: Adreno 420
RAM: 3Gb
Memory: 16Gb with 16Gb Class 10 Micro SD
Galaxy S5
Screen: 5.1” FHD Super AMOLED (1920 x 1080), 432 ppi
CPU: Snapdragon 801 2.5 GHz
GPU: Adreno 330
RAM: 2Gb
Memory: 16Gb with Class 10 Micro SD
I would like to note that all of these devices are stock, used often, and not enhanced from their factory setting in any way.
LETS GET READY TO RUMBLE!
3D Mark:
Note 10.1 This unit scored a number of 13513. I do want to make note that 3D mark has removed the device from caparisons as it was flagged for unfair modification to boost benchmark results. That being said, this turned out to be the runt of the litter despite the Octa-Core CPU in this benchmark.
Note 4 This device scored a whopping 20159 on this benchmark. With superior hardware to its brothers it bests even the iPhone 6 Plus which is scored at a modest 17843 and the iPhone 6 which is ranked even lower at 17307 on 3D Marks comparison charts.
Galaxy S5 This device ranked at a nice 18217. Besting both of Apples newest attempts and bumping along just short of Note 4.
Vellamo
This benchmark measures things a little differently, which I like. It has Browser benchmark, obviously for the borwser(For this I measured the stock Samsung browser and Chrome). It has Multicore which is exactly as it suggests, an advanced multicore benchmark. Lastly, it also has Metal, which measures maximum power of the device.
Note 10.1
Browser:
Samsung Browser: 3524
Chrome: 3214
The Note 10.1 seemed to really blaze along here, both results coming in with hot numbers ranking above HTC's M8.
Multicore The Device ranked a very nice 1570, it show up short of the G3 at 1711 and ahead of the nexus 5 at 1525.
Metal Once again, no disappointment. The device ranked in at 1374 beating out the Nexus 5 (1271) and coming in below the LG G3 (1497).
Galaxy S5
Browser:
Samsung Browser: 3278
Chrome: 2908
Bumping along a little slower than the Note 10.1, still scoring in with some nice results. This however was my daily driver for quite some time so cache and cookies may be hindering some performance here.
Multicore This device scoring a nice 1701, which is just ahead of Vellamo's score for the GS5 at 1647. Chugging along ahead of the Note 10.1 as with the 3D Mark, but not crushing it quite as bad. The Device ranks in just below the G3 as well, and has some significant distance ahead of the Nexus 5.
Metal Scoring an impressive 1518 this device is once again besting Vellamo's score for the GS5 at 1464. It tops everything on their comparison list except for the OnePlus One which ranks at 1653.
Note 4
Browser:
Samsung Browser: 3546
Chrome: 3377
Crushing the competition here, the Note 4 is the clear winner.
Multicore Dropping it like its hot at 1870, this bad boy is killing everything on their list.
Metal Going in for the finishing blow (Que mortal combat announcers "Finish Him") the Note 4 is sitting at staggering 1823. Surpassing the Galaxy S5 by over 300 points in this segment, and the top chart comparison the OnePlus One by 170 points.
With that out of the way, I do want to say benchmarks are not the end all be all. The devices are all great and id recommend all of them to anyone, but I figured this was interesting to see on a numbers game just how they matched up. I recommend reading up into the two benchmarks I used if your interested in testing things out for yourselves. I find them both interesting and they both seem to keep interest in accurate results. Hope you guys enjoyed this! Let me know what you think and feel free to share input you've found along the way!
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Interesting, Chrome is slower on each device. I wish I actually liked the stock browser...
On a side note: is the Quadrant benchmark still a thing? Looks like it hasn't been updated since 2002
I'm torn between getting a Note 4 or the Tablet (Note 10.1). The screen seems to be so much better on the 4 with its almost double ppi. I just think the Tablet would be more useful for the S Pen. Man can't decide lol.
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I'm torn between getting a Note 4 or the Tablet (Note 10.1). The screen seems to be so much better on the 4 with its almost double ppi. I just think the Tablet would be more useful for the S Pen. Man can't decide lol.
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I had a choice of brand spankin new Note 5 or a mildy used Note 4 from swappa, Note 4 hands down, Its not as pretty as Note 5 but I always slap a case on my phone anyways. The 64 bit processor in Note 5 is awesome gd investment for future but the Note 4 being 32 bit will be supported till 2020 at least. Removable battery is always required for me, sd slot, ir blaster....I have this thing tweaked every which way...thanks to awesome devs on xda.
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I'm torn between getting a Note 4 or the Tablet (Note 10.1). The screen seems to be so much better on the 4 with its almost double ppi. I just think the Tablet would be more useful for the S Pen. Man can't decide lol.
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Lollipop brightens the screen and makes it clearer as well. Got both the T-Mobile Note 4 and Note 10.1 2014 and Lollipop looks amazing on my tablet, downloaded a beach picture from a website in 2560x1600, and it looks clear. Definitely use the tablet with the spen more than the spen in my phone
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Thanks for the input. Ya pretty sure now that I'm going to use my money for a tablet not a phone. I just wish Samsung had or will have something to replace my Note 8.
what's a good benchmarking test aside from quadrant?
Hello everybody, and happy new year! (kinda late )
My question is, that which phone is better. What do you think about these phones and do you have some experience with these phones??
There are a lot phones at the price around 230$, but these are one of the best ones for that price. (I think)
I prefer Galaxy S3 Neo, because of its functions and because is not that big as ZenFone 5, and because of its Android. ZenUI is not that bad on ASUS, but there is almost everything new and you need accustom to it. What I "hate" on the ASUS is design of the phone, but it doesn't matter. On hardware I think ASUS is better, but in camera not, it doesn't have that nice quality pictures and on S3 Neo look better. I will be happy If you post some about these phones what do you think is better and if you have some experience with it, if it is lagging or something like that. Just If you're happy with that phone (if you own it). I don't understand a lot a technology and I'm not expert , sorry for my english and hope you will post something. Thank to everybody.
Zenfone has 2 cores at 1.6Ghz and the S3 neo has 4 cores at 1.2/1.4Ghz. I dont know about cpu cores in mobile devices so i cant tell if those +2 cores are something wow.
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Zenfone has 2 cores at 1.6Ghz and the S3 neo has 4 cores at 1.2/1.4Ghz. I dont know about cpu cores in mobile devices so i cant tell if those +2 cores are something wow.
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Yes, it is true, but everybody says that its "behaving" as quad core 1,6 GHz... (btw. S3 Neo in my country has 1,4 GHZ CPU)
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Yes, it is true, but everybody says that its "behaving" as quad core 1,6 GHz... (btw. S3 Neo in my country has 1,4 GHZ CPU)
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Well antutu says its 22k and the s3 neo is about 20k points. So probably take the zenfone 5 because of the bigger screen but i dont know if it matches the s3 neo in multitasking and general speed. Is it like "Zenfone 5 has an intel cpu with 2 that matches an amd cpu with 4 cores"?
I would always prefer to take qcom device because there is huge support from codeaurora and google ....
Also 1.4 x 4 ghz > 1.6 x 2 ghz , AMOLED > IPS ...
Well, I'm mostly listening to music, sometimes play games (games like Clash of Clans and more...) and browse YT or internet, so I don't think that I need some great multitasking. BTW. I have heard. that ZenFone 5's battery at Android KitKat is really draining... ASUS's Intel CPU is not acting like dual-core, there are some enhanced functions, so it's like quad-core. Also, ZenFone gets Lollipop on April, but i don't think that I need it too much . If you look at GSMArena, people are really happy with S3 Neo, but ZenFone, everybody talking about bad battery, and camera... - So, may I choose S3 Neo?
You can post some other phones for that price, for example some other brands, S3 Neo and ZenFone 5 are the most liked for that price in my country.
I'm not using my phone for games, I need some great phone, which has good battery life, big RAM (because I have a lot of apps on the background) and camera too.... it will be good, if it has some new Android (Lollipop).
Greetings.
I'm thinking of getting either S4 (Snapdragon 800 version) or LG G2.
As I looked over that S4 model gets 60 fps in Epic CItadel benchmark while LG G2 gets 53.
Does installing a custom stock android rom fixes this issue on G2?
Because what I want the most if performance out of the phone for emulation and gaming.
Termal controls lows frequencies so you can notice benchmarks slows, but in the real world (benchmarks arent) the g2 made everything well, with no lags, on stock or on custom rom/kernel. And stock roms on lg are very good.. The real differences between g2 and s4 in my opinion are others, like battery, display, knock code, knox, camera... And when i was choosing, my choose was g2...
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A lot of stock roms out there now actually cheat on benchmarks, so don't use them as a standard for performance.
Since a benchmark doesn't run *all* that long, manufacturers have been caught actually kicking the phone into performance mode. Basically kicking everything to max frequency and holding it there... which results in higher benchmarks, but will melt your phone and bettery life in the real world.
Look at the hardware specs, compare from there. IMO, this phone works great.
And on my ls980 grola 2.0 lollipop port epic citadel scores 58.2 average....
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