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I am coming from Droid Incredible running CM 7.1 on PagePlus for 3 years (Verizon MVNO for those who don't know). So I am familiar with Android ecosystem and rooting.
I am looking to buy Moto X to be used in USA on H2O (AT&T MVNO) because on Pageplus the speed are limited to 3G and most new phones cannot be activated without flashing which I don't want to do.
1) Is there any reason NOT to buy Developer Edition (GSM Networks)? Current price is now the same as AT&T branded version and I am OK with just one color being available.
2) Am I correct in understanding that this version of the phone supports all LTE and HSPA frequencies both for AT&T and TMobile? Quote from the spec:
Networks
GSM/GPRS/EDGE - UMTS/HSPA + up to 42 Mbps - 4G LTE
2G/2.5G GSM/GPRS/EDGE bands
850/900/1800/1900 MHz
3G UMTS bands
850/900/ AWS/1900/2100 MHz with HSPA+ up to 42 Mbps (B5/B8/B4/B2/B1)
4G LTE bands
700/AWS/1900MHz (B17/B4/B2)
3) Are there any known issues with Moto X that has not been fixed with software updates yet? I am also considering Moto G which would be good enough for me but it has battery issues ("instant" drops from full charge to 1%) that are now investigated by Motorola but no solution yet. For Moto X so far I only found that some people have small cracks on their cases that are fixed by mailing it for warranty work.
1) I too considered the GSM Dev Edition of the Moto X but decided not to get it based on looks. I don't like white phones. The Dev Moto X has a woven white back and I didn't like that. I also have not use for 32GB of internal storage. I didn't even fill the 8GB that was on my RAZR M (previous phone). This was my reasoning, so I went with the MotoMaker GSM unlocked retail Moto X (also referred to as the T-Mobile version).
2)I don't know about the Dev version but if I had to guess I'd say it's like my phone, so yes. I have an AT&T SIM in my Moto X and I get 4G LTE when I'm in town.
3)The only issues I know of are the cracks as you mentioned and the some of the wood backs having a poor finish applied. There may be another that I've yet to read here but I've not had any problem with the phone.
Hikikomori-Otaku said:
1) I too considered the GSM Dev Edition of the Moto X but decided not to get it based on looks. I don't like white phones. The Dev Moto X has a woven white back and I didn't like that. I also have not use for 32GB of internal storage. I didn't even fill the 8GB that was on my RAZR M (previous phone). This was my reasoning, so I went with the MotoMaker GSM unlocked retail Moto X (also referred to as the T-Mobile version).
2)I don't know about the Dev version but if I had to guess I'd say it's like my phone, so yes. I have an AT&T SIM in my Moto X and I get 4G LTE when I'm in town.
3)The only issues I know of are the cracks as you mentioned and the some of the wood backs having a poor finish applied. There may be another that I've yet to read here but I've not had any problem with the phone.
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I don't like white phones either but I want to be able to root. Is what you went with (MotoMaker GSM unlocked retail Moto X) essentially the same as Dev Edition other than color? Or is it only carrier unlocked but not bootloader unlocked?
JoeSchmoe007 said:
I don't like white phones either but I want to be able to root. Is what you went with (MotoMaker GSM unlocked retail Moto X) essentially the same as Dev Edition other than color? Or is it only carrier unlocked but not bootloader unlocked?
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The main differences between the two would be the retail version can be customs made in MotoMaker and when the bootloader is unlocked you loose your warranty. The Dev version only comes in one style but your warranty will still be intact after unlocking the bootloader.
Hikikomori-Otaku said:
The main differences between the two would be the retail version can be customs made in MotoMaker and when the bootloader is unlocked you loose your warranty. The Dev version only comes in one style but your warranty will still be intact after unlocking the bootloader.
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Thank you for responding. So the warranty will be void completely, even for the hardware issues completely unrelated to unlocking bootloader?
Can bootloader on retail version be re-locked to send it in for warranty?
I think I read that each time OS updates are released for Moto X new exploit may need to be found to root/unlock bootloader. Did I get it right or am I confusing something?
Can root be achieved without unlocking bootloader? If I understand correctly unlocking bootloader is really only needed if one wants to try different ROM-s and root can sometimes be achieved without unlocking bootloader. But Moto X is almost stock Android, so I see no point in trying other ROM-s but I do want to have root.
JoeSchmoe007 said:
Thank you for responding. So the warranty will be void completely, even for the hardware issues completely unrelated to unlocking bootloader?
Can bootloader on retail version be re-locked to send it in for warranty?
I think I read that each time OS updates are released for Moto X new exploit may need to be found to root/unlock bootloader. Did I get it right or am I confusing something?
Can root be achieved without unlocking bootloader? If I understand correctly unlocking bootloader is really only needed if one wants to try different ROM-s and root can sometimes be achieved without unlocking bootloader. But Moto X is almost stock Android, so I see no point in trying other ROM-s but I do want to have root.
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Yes, your warranty will be completly void if you unlock the bootloader on any Moto X except the Dev version.
You can relock (and reunlock) the bootloader but because you have to get the unlock key from Motorola, they will know even if you relock it. I believe there is also a line in fastboot that will will indicate if the warrently is void (as a result of the first unlock).
This is true. With any update there is the potential for an exploit being 'removed'. The same is true for most bootloaders but not necessarily for this phone. Even if the bootloader is updated, the unlock code for your phone will still work.
Yes, root can be achieved without unlocking the bootloader but it's a complex method for this phone. It's much easier to unlock the bootloader, flash a custom recovery, and flash the SU binary. This is also the preferred method if it's avalible for your Moto X.
Unlocking your bootloader let's you do a few things. The most common it to flash another recovery image and thus a new ROM. You can also flash kernals, binaries, apps, and a few other things with the bootloader unlocked.
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This is true. With any update there is the potential for an exploit being 'removed'. The same is true for most bootloaders but not necessarily for this phone. Even if the bootloader is updated, the unlock code for your phone will still work.
Yes, root can be achieved without unlocking the bootloader but it's a complex method for this phone. It's much easier to unlock the bootloader, flash a custom recovery, and flash the SU binary. This is also the preferred method if it's avalible for your Moto X.
Unlocking your bootloader let's you do a few things. The most common it to flash another recovery image and thus a new ROM. You can also flash kernals, binaries, apps, and a few other things with the bootloader unlocked.
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So what specific exploit can be removed? For rooting? Or for unlocking bootloader? The way I understand one can always unlock bootloader using code from Motorola no matter if your phone is retail or Dev. Edition, however then root may or may not work? But this contradicts with what you said about if bootloader is unlocked then you can flash custom recovery and SU, so you can still always achieve root. Is there an FAQ or thread on this forum where this is described in details?
JoeSchmoe007 said:
So what specific exploit can be removed? For rooting? Or for unlocking bootloader? The way I understand one can always unlock bootloader using code from Motorola no matter if your phone is retail or Dev. Edition, however then root may or may not work? But this contradicts with what you said about if bootloader is unlocked then you can flash custom recovery and SU, so you can still always achieve root. Is there an FAQ or thread on this forum where this is described in details?
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Any exploit can be removed, so long as they're found and will not inhibit the use of the device. I guess I should clarify a bit. Your bootloader and root access have different ways to get them. The bootloader basically protects the partitions of the phone. The only way to unlock the bootloader of the Moto X is to go to Motorola and get the unique unlock code for your Moto X. The Verizon retail and AT&T retail versions are the only two models of my knowledge that can't be unlocked by Motorola and no exploit has been found for them. How root is achieved by having an unlocked bootloader is as followed; The bootloader is unlocked giving the user access to the partitions of the phone > a custom recovery is flashed > using the new recovery SU binary is added (flashed) to the dormant Android OS. Without an unlocked bootloader, this method is impossible as you can't complete the first step. This is when an exploit in the Android OS is needed. The current SlapMyMoto exploit takes advantage that Motorola lets Moto X users downgrade. Once on a lower version of Android, we can root that and basically 'tunnel' up a path to give ourselves root in they newer version of Android. The unlocked bootloader method is preferred because it's easier and will almost always work (unless Android is given a huge remake). While in recovery, the Android OS is not loaded and thus can't protect itself. This makes adding stuff to it much simpler. When the Android OS is booted though, there are security measures in place that we unrooted can't get past without an exploit.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2603358
This thread has a lot of good info from rooting on both locked and unlocked bootloaders, downgrading, and much more.
Honestly I think you answered your own question. If rooting is your number one priority and you don't mind the white back (which I like actually), then I think the Developer Edition is a no brainer for you.
If you want a custom phone and rooting isn't that important, or you don't care about the warranty, then I'd say get the MotoMaker version.
As far as bugs, the only bug I know of is an exchange bug (which I don't use exchange so I don't even know what the bug is/was), but it was fixed in 4.4.2.
You can root the carrier version ie motomaker. That's all you really need is root along with greenify, xposed, gravity box, and viper4android.
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You can root the carrier version ie motomaker. That's all you really need is root along with greenify, xposed, gravity box, and viper4android.
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Currently there is NO root method for 4.4.2 without unlocking the bootloader.
I have a verizon samsung galaxy note 3 as many already know after 4.4.4 was released verizon locked the note 3 boot loader so users cannot down grade back to 4.4.2 and the only successful root process that works is on 4.4.2 at this time as far as I've researched so my question is if I were to pay verizon the sim unlocking fee and switch to a carrier that has a known properly working root process, in theory would this work. ? Any feed back would be great. Hoping this will work??!! If any thing I've said is confusing please reply and I'll try my best to reword it.
You're assuming that when you pay the fee that verizon will flash you with an unlocked boot chain. Don't think it's possible. If I'm not mistaken, some of the trust zones are flashed then locked with a physical fuse.
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So paying the unlocking fee then say you buy a BYOD (bring your own device) kit from t-mobile, straight talk etc, activate the phone with the new carrier (preferably a carrier that currently has a root method that works) then proceed with rooting said device?
Again I'm new to the forum as well as new to the concert of rooting, flashing custom roms etc so please respond in laymens terms
Idk if it could work, I'm just trying to explore any possible solutions to the problem of when android 4.4.4 was released (verizon released theirs with a locked bootloader and if my reseach is correct, there are root processes working for android versions after 4.4.2 on other cell carriers.
So what I'm trying to figure out is if I found a root process that is known to be working on for example (a root process that works on t-mobile, sprint, at&t etc)if I paid to unlock the damn sim and activate the SM-N900V on a cell carrier that so happens to have a working root process, what is the likely hood of it working?
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Will it be a complete waste of time, effort, and money to atempt?
Riwd98 said:
So paying the unlocking fee then say you buy a BYOD (bring your own device) kit from t-mobile, straight talk etc, activate the phone with the new carrier (preferably a carrier that currently has a root method that works) then proceed with rooting said device?
Again I'm new to the forum as well as new to the concert of rooting, flashing custom roms etc so please respond in laymens terms
Idk if it could work, I'm just trying to explore any possible solutions to the problem of when android 4.4.4 was released (verizon released theirs with a locked bootloader and if my reseach is correct, there are root processes working for android versions after 4.4.2 on other cell carriers.
So what I'm trying to figure out is if I found a root process that is known to be working on for example (a root process that works on t-mobile, sprint, at&t etc)if I paid to unlock the damn sim and activate the SM-N900V on a cell carrier that so happens to have a working root process, what is the likely hood of it working?
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Will it be a complete waste of time, effort, and money to atempt?
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You are confusing 2 different types of "unlocking".
Sim unlocking is not the same as unlocking a bootloader.
The locked bootloader will not be unlocked by Verizon.
The locked bootloader will not allow you to flash a custom kernel or system and prevents the easy rooting methods. Unless someone finds a root method, you will not get root on that device.
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From what contexts cIues I've gathered the Moto X Pure, like the Moto X Dev Edition - has a bootloader that can be unlocked through Motorola then rooted. So essentially in a sense it's a developer phone. I also read but still unsure that Verizon will activate?
Thanks
Clearly you have not read thru this forum at the numerous posts from people who have activated the phone on Verizon...
Just looking for a confirmation before I spend any money
I'm on Verizon (grandfathered unlimited data plan).
I had verizon send me a nano sim, used an adapter and activated the sim in my old note 3.
Put the sim into my new moto x. Unlocked the boot loader, then rooted.
Verizon can't do anything about it with this phone. So happy to have root and an unlocked bootloader on verizon again.
Can you tell me the root method you used?
Really just one simple question. Is it possible to root the Republic Wireless Moto G5 Plus? The build number is NPN25.137-35
Just wondering if it is doable and safe to do? I know that many of RW's phones are locked up with the custom software and root would cause problems, but is this the same?
There's a root method out there for the Amazon phone. Try it and see...
So now the v30 is announced now and will soon be available to purchase my question is in regards to LG root time frame on new devices. I know each device can have it's own time before root can be achieved, Based on the V10 and V20 root method how long generally does it usually take to find out if root is even possible?
1) in past experience between V10 and V20 how long was it generally from release date to root method? few weeks, months?
2) has G6 been rooted at all? gives kinda an indication if root would be possible in V30
Thanks for the help, again, not asking a ETA or anything like that, just want to know on past experiences with the V10 & V20 how long it took before root was possible and if root is even possible or not.
If you get a V30, you might want to get the carrier free model straight from LG. No carrier branded LG G6 has been rooted yet, and since even T-Mobile no longer allows the bootloader to be unlocked, even if a kernel exploit is found (like dirtycow), you will also need someone to leak a engineering bootloader like they did for the V20. If someone wouldn't have come up with the eng. aboot, the only two V20s that would have root are the H918 and US996.
Have a look-e-see yourself: https://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-g6/development
The only model that has root is the US997 carrier free version that LG allows for the bootloader to be unlocked.
-- Brian
Get used to the idea root aint happening. If it does, its a bonus. You are looking at it wrong.
Or, get an HTC.