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My phone provider (carphone warehouse UK - O2) made a mistake when I ordered my XDAII, and accidentally sent me another device
I haven't told them that I have received it, and they haven't contacted me to reclaim it (it's been quite a while).
Does anybody know the situation regarding using it, or selling it. Would the IMEI have been registered with a lost/stolen list, and would using it as a phone cause an identity message to be received somewhere, and for carphone warehouse or O2 (or the police!) to investigate.
I wouldn't mind using it myself, as my primary XDAII has a slightly annoying dead pixel in the display. Or should I avoid using it on a phone network and just use it as a experimental PDA.
Anybody know the legals on this? IANAL, but I beleive if you receive unsolicited goods then you have a right to keep them.
Feckin' dead pixels! I got one too. But the myxda.com site states that up to 3 dead dots is acceptable
If you use the device, be aware that the call timers can't be reset yet. So, if you clock up a coulple of hours and then have to give it back, they could charge you.
TTFN
Call them !
Andy
Forget it, call them and make arrangements for a return (or event better, return the one with the dead pixels).
Thank them for sending you the replacement and return the bad one.
If you sell it, I am certain you are guilty of fraud and could get a jail sentence or serious fine depending on the mood of the judge.
keeping it probably won't get you nailed, as you were merely waiting for return instructions (you did call them remember ?)
Personally I would go for a return of the bad XDA and keep the good one. It would keep you consious clean and you would benefit from their mistake.
I am sure they have the IMEI somewhere, and you can be traced anywhere using that.
Also don't forget that someone from the shop may be reading your post here - or someone may decide to forward the mail to carphone warehouse. If your name is anywhere close to your user name, they can prove that you are no longer in good faith.
It's not worth it.
Regards
Michael
Thanks, I'm pretty law abiding, so I don't really think I could have kept it with a clear conscience. I'll give CPW a call and see what they say.
Well just called CPW, and basically they didn't have a clue (as usual).
They just told me to return it to the store that I got it from (huh?). Anyway, I'll pop into my local CPW this lunchtime and see what they say.
I think I'm within my rights to keep it (see below), but it's presently just taking up space in my office.
The new rules provide for unsolicited goods (meaning those where the recipient has no reasonable cause to believe that they were sent with a view to their being acquired for the purposes of a business and where the recipient has not agreed to acquire or return them). The recipient may, as between himself and the sender, "use, deal with or dispose of the goods as if they were unconditional gift to him…. The rights of the sender to the goods are extinguished".
The Directive also exempts the consumer from the "provision of any consideration" in cases of unsolicited supply. In this context, in their 1999 consultation the DT1 said that they considered this to mean that the consumer is under no obligation to enable the supplier to retrieve the goods and services but can treat them as his or her own property from the time of receipt. That is what the new regulations now provide.
http://www.humphreys.co.uk/articles/e_commerce_1.htm
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Andy, if you feel bad about keeping it send it to the developers for "safekeeping". The imei will not be blocked as the procedure for stolen/lost phone hasnt been triggered.
I hada phone stolen b4, and i sked TMO to block the imei#, and all they sed they could do, was to suspend my line, an block that sim.....wut kinda bull**** is this!?
In the UK it's become law that Phone companies have to work together to allow blocking and reporting of phones on a device basis (ie IMEI) for crime prevention, so O2 are definitely capable of this.
Note this message doesn't have anything to do with sims (I only have one of those); just the physical phone hardware.
Anyway, didn't make it to CPW this lunchtime, but will try tomorrow and report back with any news. Are there any lawyers (or UK phone co employees) out there who'd care to give their opinion?
Criminal law
As an English criminal lawyer I believe you would be committing a criminal offence under s.1 of the Theft Act 1968 which carries a maximum sentence of up to 7 years imprisonment and an unlimited fine in the Crown Court. Although as it's likely to be your first offence then you are likely to be fined only.
The basic definition is that you dishonestly
appropriate
property
belonging to another
with the intention of permanently depriving
Obviously the main issue is whether you acted dishonestly. The fact that you had a genuine belief that you are morally justified in acting as you did is no defence if you knew that ordinary people would consider your conduct to be dishonest. (R v Ghosh (1982)). No doubt the CPS (Crown Prosection Service) would try to say that an ordinary person should/would try to contact the carphone wharehouse.
Personally I don't see why you have to travel to the the car phone wharehouse. You should notify them them and ask them to collect and ask them to reimburse you if they don't collect it by a certain date to compensate you for your inconvienience.
Ok hope that helps !
Can any of you guys help me with my memory loss problem ? and where to get a 1gb SD card ?
Eek - bit of a scary tone to the posting, but thanks anyway.
Btw - they sent it to me without asking, so I rather doubt it would be covered by the theft act otherwise people could post things to people they disliked and then call the police. As I had no idea what to do with it, and expected CPW to send a courier to pick it up, I just shoved it under my desk and forgot about it.
He did not appropriate the goods, it was unsolicited, he has attempted to return it to the company that sent it, they told him to return it to the shop he got it from, he didnt get from a shop, he has never acted dishonestly and has not instigated the supply of the phone. I had some stuff delivered to my address, I was told to inform the company and if they didnt pick it up in a reasonable time the property was mine, they didnt pick it up, I kept it. I never asked for it in the first place neither did this guy with the phone, I dont think it is his responsibility once he has advised the company of the error, it is not up to him to be attempting to solve a problem not of his making and he should not incur any expense, or inconvenience because of a company error.
In the US, I believe the law is, if someone sends something to you that you didn't ask for, its yours. Obviously, it may be different in the UK. But I would still return the one with the dead pixels. I was fortunate to get a good one with all working pixels and it would bug me beyond belief to have a dead pixel
Appropriates
is defined as any assumption of the rights of an owner, if the defendant came came by the property (innocently or otherwise ) without stealing it and later assumed a right to it by keeping it he has appropriated it. That was defined in the case of R v Hinks 2001.
The Theft Act 1968 provides that appropriation in the following circumstances is not dishonest if the defendant believed the other person would have consented had the other person known of the appropriation and the circumstanes of the appropriation or if the defendant believed the person to whom the property belonged (ie to CPW) could not be discovered by taking reasonable steps.
As for your example of sending unsolicited items and calling the police - would only apply if they kept hold of the items and didn't bother to find the owner. Eg you can find something in the street and keep and be found guilty of theft.
I know many people may not agree with this but that is the law as defined by statute and common law. Now at the end of the day whatever you do is up to you and I wish you the best of luck.
ps anyone got any ideas about my memory loss
Thanks for the info - we all know UK law's a right old monster of "spaghetti code", rather you than me. I'll stick to Windows development
Anyway, I shall attempt to get CPW to retrieve their goods, with minimal cost/effort on my part. I'm certainly not going to post it to them. Basically I don't need it, and I'd definitely feel "criminal" selling it.
As for your memory loss - and I presume we're talking pocketPC, rather than Korsakov's syndrome - I'll get back to you on that one in your topic.
Just keep it they make to much money ripping people off and they wont notice its gone.
I think intent to "permanently deprive" the owner is a term used, so if you just used it and then if and when you were asked to return it, you did so, then the intent to permanently deprive the righful owner isnt an issue. He has informed them of the mistake, that is his sole obligation as far as I can see.
Regarding the note on finding property in the street: I once found a cheque book and saw that it belonged to a Doctor. Maybe it was a holiday weekend, but my logic suggested I should try to contact the owner directly (I think there was a phone number). Anyhow, I couldn't get hold of him, so took it to my local poloce station.
Imagine my surprise when I had to wait while they took details of myself then proceeded to record every cheque stub transaction.
When I informed the Police that I had tried to call the owner directly they said that I should never attempt to do so, because if there had been a subsequent allegation of fraud against me I would (apparently) have been in big trouble.
I suppose the point here is not to assume anything.
In your case I would write a letter to CPW head office, making it clear you have received unsolicited goods and giving them a resonable deadline in which to collect these at your convenience.
Write to head office and suggest that they come and get the stuff.
Otherwise in 30 days from the letter you will consider the equipment to be yours.
I think this is legal as the Citizens Adviice people recommended this when I had a load of books from some crappy book club that I never asked for arrive on my doorstep. They sent a courier round.
They tried to tell me to post it back then claim the postage from them - YEAH - like I'd trust them to pat me back!
Oh - make sure it's all at YOUR convenience. No trips to the PO or waiting in for the courier!
I admire your honesty - I think I may have kept the XDA.
You are going to keep the good unit aren;t you? Not the one with the duff pixels? After all - you don't know which one is yours really do you?
Yeah, i've informed them over the phone, and they promised a courier on Friday - surprise surprise nobody came. That citizens' advice bureau advice sounds good, so I might put it in writing.
Hi,
We receive unsolicited equipment through the post all the time.
It is NOT your responsibility to chase them up.
If they atempt to recover the property and persue it if you resist, then it could go either way in court. They may try to pin something on you, like you said the first one did arive.
Its good practice to call them anyway, and give them a time limit to collect it, and if you despise carephone warehouse as much as i do, charge them an admin fee lol (that IS within your right, and in fact you can keep it until they pay up)
Toxic.
We are all members of a great community of people, we come to these forums to discuss, build, upgrade and sometimes buy devices. In July I had a misfortune paying money to a member Leokorth who advertised his Uni for sale and got done for $150. At first he claimed he sent a parcel and even provided a tracking number. After a month of waiting I contacted him again, advising him the parcel had not been received and was told he still has it, he THOUGHT he sent it, but apparently not... You see, having a tracking number with USPS is not quite the same as actually sending a parcel, rather, according to USPS, it indicated an intent to send. I asked for my money back and he agreed to pay me back, but never did. I waited another few weeks, contacted him a few more times asking for my money, but he never replied. So I contacted PayPal. They investigated and decided in my favor, so today I was refunded.... 0.70!!! Yes, 70 cents out of my $150. The bastard cleaned out his PayPal account, so that I will not get any money back.
It happened to me once at ebay, same situation with an RC car....I lost the money so I feel your pain.
For some reason it hurts more because it happened here. I guess we somehow trust members of this community more than just sellers on EBay.
I don't know if trading laws are different here in the UK, but I had a similar problem and PayPal UK awared me the £252 (not refunded cos the guy emptied his account) and still charged his account £252. Basically it means he would have to make a new PayPal account. Just because the accounts empty, doesn't mean that you can get away with it
Like I said, it may be different here.
The guy who stiffed me is in US, claiming to own a photo studio, sent me his website etc, so looked very legit. Paypal sent me this: "We have concluded our investigation into your case and have decided in your
favor.
We were able to recover $0.70 NZD and this amount has been credited to you.
Please allow five business days for this adjustment to be posted.
If you are due any additional funds, we will make our best effort to
recover the balance from the seller."
0.70c recovered out of $150 - bloody laughable.
Scumbag Scammers
Yes there have been some scammers on this forum who have come and gone, nevertheless this does not help you to recover your lost funds, I might suggest that you contact PayPal again and forward all of your Email correspondence to confirm that this individual was leading you on right from the start, Paypal have no problems holding or freezing peoples accounts so based on that then a duty of care applies to Paypal to protect your dealings,it does not matter which country it was we have Paypal au now...
Sometimes these claims are a fully automated process and only refund what was in the account regardless, look it's worth a try, stay cool calm and collected and it all depends who you are conversing with on the phone at Paypal au.
Good luck
I am using Paypal.com, not .au, I am not in Australia. Sent them copies of e-mails, they already decided in my favor, but recovered 70c. At this point that's all there is.
paypal sometimes is a money-wasting system with no warrantys...
...i have experienced 2 times absolutly absurd issues buying from ebay, all 2 times after received broken items due to senders negligence paypal has offered to recover back my money but after i sent back from italy to uk a traceable package (50Eur more or less in the best case for a 5kg package) but without reimbursement of the last shipment from me to the bastard sender who don't care of fragile items...
...this is absurd, in any case the opportunity is to loss 50Eur for an broken item i have paid and have received totally wasted 1 month after i have paid it!
..but your issue is more crazy...so mad! 0,70 is nothing!
i wish u good luck
and to the bastard user i with to choke itself with lunch
I've been stung twice by paypal. Once as a seller on a car related forum, once as a buyer on ebay. All uk transactions, all validated paypal users. Paypal do not care. Doesn't hurt to try, but I wouldn't get your hopes up.
Not related with the topic but your home page rocks.......! The survey and the answers are nice, sometimes funny and honest at the same time.
Muy pero muy buena !
Bit late to the party, but what is your money source to paypal ?
if credit card, give them a call, they should be able to start a charge back
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Bit late to the party, but what is your money source to paypal ?
if credit card, give them a call, they should be able to start a charge back
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It is a credit card, but I am not sure they'll be able to do anything. Will give them a call on Monday, see what happens. What have I got to lose, right?
Thanks
i just want to let people know of some trouble i've had with an unlock company called Unlocode . I've used them twice. the first time everything worked perfect. the second time they couldn't get me a code. In the email they sent me stating that the they could not generate the code and that they would refund my money within 72 hours.
i bought the code on 3-20-11 and the same day i got a reply that the code could not be generated. it is now 4-18-11 and they never replied or tried to refund my money. i've sent 3 emails with no reply.
so i open a case on paypal 4-2-11 and on 4-9-11 they finally replied asking for my IEMI number. yet it is listed in the paypal transaction. i give it to them again thinking/hoping it will speed things up. i replied the same day about one and half hours later. from that day till 4-18-11 i didnt get any email or response from them.
so i esculate the claim and finally the start emailing me. They ask for my IEmi number yet again. they don't even bother to look it up or find any info on it in thier data base from last time they asked for it. they just respond with a threat.
so now these guys are threating me, that if i don't close the dispute on paypal they will lock my phone and say it was stolen.
-- Listen.we never have any problems with code.we can send a disble code to make that phone useless and locked again iif you don't close the paypal case. You have 48 hrs to close the case before that phone becomes useless and reported lost stolen. --
Is this legal and can they really do this?
they advertise 100% that they would get me the code yet in the email they sent me they couldn't supply it.
i just want people to know about this and hopfully help others chose a different unlocker.
if they would have refunded my money like they advertise i would not have any problems using them again. but with this much trouble ill just stay away from them and any other company associated with them
Unlocode
chubbycutegirl
Unlocode chubbycuteboy
thanks for reading.
As far as I'm aware, only you or someone from some type of authority position (police etc.) can get the phone locked. My guess is that they're just saying they'll lock the phone so you don't take the money back.
If I were you, I'd email them back and tell them that you have been advised by your provider that it is not possible for them to have your phone locked. Then, tell them if they don't supply you with an unlock code in 24hrs you will escalate the dispute on PayPal further, and suggest that you'd rather not do this as it may give them a bad name.
If you're really worried, check with your provider 1st, but I'm 99% sure they can't get it locked just because they have the IMEI number.
Stick to your guns and don't let the bullies beat you.
yea im with john on this one, they're trying to scare you off. If they DID somehow lock your phone, they would be commiting an offence, unlawfull access of an electronic device, or some such, tantamount to hacking.
Be sure and keep a record of all and every thing you send and recieve to/from them.
(Id be tempted to still make a complaint once they have refunded you.)
I started to post here lastnight but I was to sleepy and had to get some sleep. AnywaycI am with John and Sam here. The only ones that can lock hour IMEI number andcreport it stolen is someonecwith law enforcement or your provider. Even then you have to contact them to have this done. If they do manage to lock your IMEI number and report your phone as stolen they have commuted a felony and can be prosicuted for such.
If I was you I would contact my carrier and make them aware of the threat they have made so if they follow through on the threat you can have them prosicited cause your carrier will have proffered you did not request this action.
I am like Sam I would continue to persistent this even if I got my money back. Also like John said contact those dirty crocks and tell them you know it is unlawful for them to take such an action against you. And that you have talked to your carrier about it so you have documentation. Then tell them that if that take such action you will have them prosicuted for there actions.
Post back here with any updates.
thanks for all your help. ill update as things go along.
Hello everyone.
The past few months I have spent so much time on fighting this case against Simply Electronics that I feel that I have obtained a PhD in their case.
I will try to help anyone who has been cheated by those scams, on how to recover their money back and believe me, it is possible. You only need a lot of patience and effort and time to spend on taking the actions I will outline.
The first, most important step is to avoid them. Don't get tricked by the feedback and reviews that you see because you fell into the same trap that I fell, which is believing that their biggest scam is delaying to send your order. Believe me, their biggest scam is not that they will delay a month to send your order. It's much more complicated. Here is what they usually do to cheat you:
1) Send the wrong model in order to make you return it
2) Send a defective item
3) Their stock is from Asia and they don't come with European warranty. Also, some electronic devices such as HTC phones may be loaded with Asian firmware which cannot be changed even after you unlock the bootloader. That was the case with HTC One X. You could flash a custom ROM but the underlying fw was still Asian.
Anyway, keeping in mind the above, their aim is to make you send the item back and then forget the refund. You get into a complicated procedure by which they usually manage to trick the intermediate services like Paypal, ending up with keeping your money and your purchased item. Don't give up though. Even after months you can keep fighting them and at the end you will win. They want you to get disappointed and abandon your efforts.
A few other details:
They are a Honk Kong based compay but they operate through a logistics office in London from where they dispatch the orders. Hence the delays. In this way all legal aspects get lost between the 2 companies and the European consumer services get confused and abandon. That was their idea I guess in managing their malicious actions.
Steps to get once you discover you were cheated:
As I said, the best way is to avoid them. and there are many reasons for this as I explained above. Even if you decide not to return them any items back, the facts I outloned above should still stop you from buying. If you have already sined, use the advices below:
1) Gather all your documents with the communication you had with them and convert them into pdf files. Also gather any proofing document like post office slips and do the same. Royal mail in the UK can email you the document of receipt showing their signature if you call them on telephone. Even that may not be evidence for Paypal but don't worry, it's more than enough for the police. After you have gathered all those details, get prepared to spend a lot of time on the computer in filing reports
2a) If the payment was made through moneybookers (you will see their name on the email you received from them when you purchased, you are lucky. Even after a few months you can report the case here: www.moneybookers.com and they will return your money
2b) If you have made your transaction with Paypal, open a dispute there. Don't let your hopes with them though as they may be affiliates. They are not better in any way and if you try to speak with them you will start hitting your head on the wall. Most propably you will fail here because they will trick those monkeys easily. I don't know but Paypal either employes 8 year onld kids or talking monkeys. Full stop. After you fail here, or if you have not used Paypal, go to next step.
3) After you fail, you will have 10 days to appeal their decission and provide further details but there is hardly any chance they will help you. Try though but if you fail on teh appeal as well don't spend any more time with them and don't try to communicate with them because you will get very frustrated from their answers. Now, try to find out if you paid from your Paypal balance (if you have money from selling items on eBay like me), or if the money was taken from your Bank credit card. If the money was from taken from the credit card, you are lucky. I was not because I was stupid enough to leave the money in PP instead of transferring them to credit card instead. So, if you were lucky, contact you bank and ask them for the procedure to start a chargeback. Most propably they will ask you to fill in a report and attach all the documents you gathered on step 1. I am sure that your case will end here and you will get your money back in 1-2 months through your bank. After that, Paypal will start running after you and begging you to return the money back otherwise they will close your account. Don't pay much atention, I did it 2ce and they haven't closed my account so far (I don't know what will happen with this case now though). If they do so, ignore them. Let them close your account but in the meantime withdraw all your money from your credit card and make sure there are no money there to take back. You don't need them, Trust me. Who needs them if they haven't managed to help you. You only need your bank. Now, if you have been stupid like me and you left all your money in Paypal and paid with that balance, much work is waiting for you:
4) Report to your country's local consumer center. If you are in the EU, then they can push some pressure on them through the EU protocols. Don't expect too much help here as they will get lost with the complexity of their structure. Remember, they are Hong Kong based with UK logisticks but it's the HK company that keeps the money so the legislation says that you have to report to HK instead of the EU. This step and the next, you can do them in parallel. In all cases, make sure to provide all the documents you gathered at step 1.
4a) Report to your local police authority and EU consumer service but again don't expect too much. At those 2 steps, make sure to accuse the UK logistics office who keep the return item and not the HK business for which they have no juristiction.
5) The last 2 will fail but the next 2 will save you. That could be after several months though. Continue sending emails to SE and keep them filed. They will be very careful with their replies because they know that you may be gathering info. Don't waste your time with theratenings like I did because they don't seem to count for them. They only respond to actions and not to cheap talk. Be very careful with your last 2 steps as they are the ones to save you:
5a) File your claim at the Hong Kong police: http://www.police.gov.hk/ppp_en/index.html
5b) File your claim at the Hong Kong consumer service: http://www.consumer.org.hk/website/ws_en/
Believe me, the HK police and consumer service will take this very seriously so try to be as descriptive as you can. I started receiving emails from them right afterwards and they were keeping me informed with the actions taken. All letters sent to SE were also forwarded to me. They also sent me letters in written at home. Do you want to compare the same report with UK? (right after filing my complaint at UK police and UK consumer council, I received an email telling me not to expect any repl or action from them because they are busy and that my case will just be filed for refference. Now I want to ask you. Who should be more busy, UK police or HK police? think)
A few weeks after this, SE changed their pattern of replies. Before, they were jerking me and telling me to go and ask my money from Paypal. After the police aproached them, they sent me a few apologetic emails and confirmation that they will refund me. I didn't believe them after what I have passed through with them but a couple of weeks later, a manual full refund was received. Ok, I lost some money which were taken as Paypal fees but that was better than nothing. I also managed to take some money from chargeback (the amount that was taken from my card instead of PP balance) and now PP is running after me for this. Now they remembered what is right and what is wrong and they ask me to return the chargeback money. Where were they when they had to play the role of judge and they partnered with teh crooks. I don't care now, let them give their fight and take thm back. I'm not going to make it easy for them. SE has not returned the money because they are honest but because they were forced to do so. I will do the same.
Ladies and gentlemen,
I just realised that it took me almost 1:30 hours to write this down but I hope it will help others. I have seen posts from hundreds of desperate people who don't know what to do and most of them abandon their efforts and lose their money.
Please, if you find any people who need help, point them here. Let's not allow those bastards to cheat any more inocent people.
Good job Sir
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Your work here is highly appreciated
Should be made a sticky I think.
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Well done and written.
Thanks for the helpful & detailed guide!
So I got my N4 but didn't like it much, decided to go with something else, probably a Note II.
Planning to sell it through craigslist later today instead of returning to get my money back faster to put towards another phone. Not trying to make a profit, selling it for what I paid for it minus a little bit.
MY QUESTION:
How would the person buying from me be handled if they called in and claimed they need to exchange for a defect?
I know Google are shipping a replacement and charging the CC in the Google Wallet for the replacement, until defective one is returned. So how do they verify that this person is actually me and not some stranger.
I probably already made a mistake by using my gmail (associated with my Wallet) for craigslist communication . So essentially the guy I am selling to has my full name (it appears on my emails ) my gmail address associated with my account and the serial # on the phone.
What's stopping them from asking for a replacement and the charge going to my CC?
I am a bit worried because when I called Google when I thought UPS had lost my package after not receiving the phone a week after it shipped. They really did no identity verification. All they asked for was my email address.
Thank you for any help
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So I got my N4 but didn't like it much, decided to go with something else, probably a Note II.
Planning to sell it through craigslist later today instead of returning to get my money back faster to put towards another phone. Not trying to make a profit, selling it for what I paid for it minus a little bit.
MY QUESTION:
How would the person buying from me be handled if they called in and claimed they need to exchange for a defect?
I know Google are shipping a replacement and charging the CC in the Google Wallet for the replacement, until defective one is returned. So how do they verify that this person is actually me and not some stranger.
I probably already made a mistake by using my gmail (associated with my Wallet) for craigslist communication . So essentially the guy I am selling to has my full name (it appears on my emails ) my gmail address associated with my account and the serial # on the phone.
What's stopping them from asking for a replacement and the charge going to my CC?
I am a bit worried because when I called Google when I thought UPS had lost my package after not receiving the phone a week after it shipped. They really did no identity verification. All they asked for was my email address.
Thank you for any help
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Well considering if it were charged, it would be through your CC, which I would think has some sort of buyer protection. You can always file a dispute (although it may take some time for it to process) and not be liable.
Also.. I believe the phones can only be shipped to an address listed in google wallet. As long as they don't have your account password, they will not be able to access your googlewallet to change shipping address. Also, I've heard cases where google has been able to transfer the device to another gmail account and complete all RMA transactions through the Craigslist buyer's account.
I guess there will always be an email notification if anything is charged to my Wallet.
If any suspicious activity is reported I can call and report it as soon as I get the email.
I just got all up and worried, after I got a bunch of interested buyers, but several of them after a few back and forth on email, gave me some sob story about how they need me to ship it somewhere and they will pay extra and asked for my paypal ... not sure how that scam works but I'm sure it's a scam.
guh ... you cannot be careful enough these days
qwest123 said:
I guess there will always be an email notification if anything is charged to my Wallet.
If any suspicious activity is reported I can call and report it as soon as I get the email.
I just got all up and worried, after I got a bunch of interested buyers, but several of them after a few back and forth on email, gave me some sob story about how they need me to ship it somewhere and they will pay extra and asked for my paypal ... not sure how that scam works but I'm sure it's a scam.
guh ... you cannot be careful enough these days
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Yeah those are definitely scams. Perhaps something with paying you and having you ship it, and then they can retract the payment. Some of those stories are ridiculous and they're offering to pay way more than what you asked for .
About the google wallet thing.. when I made my order, I tried to call and request a change in shipping address. They said, "Due to security issues, we're not able to alter the order after it has been made. If you want to ship to a different address, you will have to request for your order to be canceled and then make a new order with a verified address in google wallet."
Hope that helps!
I just went through the return process. What happens is: the google tech support guy sends you an email with a link to a cart on google wallet so that you can buy it again. So the craigslist guy would have to have access to your gmail... They can probably send that link to his email and he would have to use his own google wallet to pay for it.
CoCoGirl886 said:
Yeah those are definitely scams. Perhaps something with paying you and having you ship it, and then they can retract the payment. Some of those stories are ridiculous and they're offering to pay way more than what you asked for .
About the google wallet thing.. when I made my order, I tried to call and request a change in shipping address. They said, "Due to security issues, we're not able to alter the order after it has been made. If you want to ship to a different address, you will have to request for your order to be canceled and then make a new order with a verified address in google wallet."
Hope that helps!
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Oh that's excellent to hear ... I guess I'm giving Google too little credit after the mess of handling orders and customer support through all of it
Ya, I'm not sure how any of the scams I hear about exactly work ... that's why I was worried and thought about asking before I make any major screw up.
At least I know about the meet locally in public. I'm having the guy meet me at my local bank.
thegreyspot said:
I just went through the return process. What happens is: the google tech support guy sends you an email with a link to a cart on google wallet so that you can buy it again. So the craigslist guy would have to have access to your gmail... They can probably send that link to his email and he would have to use his own google wallet to pay for it.
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Thanks for sharing your experience ... I think I'll be OK :fingers-crossed: