S4 Mini court case re performance claims - Galaxy S 4 Mini General

Happened upon the following, US (I think ) court case about performance not meeting the claims made in an ad.
https://www.engadget.com/amp/2017/01/20/samsung-cant-use-in-box-warranty-to-kill-galaxy-s4-lawsuit/
Performance is as I expected, I'd say, not that I ever saw an ad for this phone, only thing I think is an issue is the emmc failure rate, compare say to the number of backs to the S4.

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HTC M9 overheats and throttles...

http://androidheadlines.com/2015/03...-one-m9-running-antutu-benchmark-app-mwc.html
Well, time to go for the S6.
Applesexual said:
http://androidheadlines.com/2015/03...-one-m9-running-antutu-benchmark-app-mwc.html
Well, time to go for the S6.
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By all means, make up your mind based upon a blog's first-hand experience with a prerelease ROM and kernel.
Just sayin'.
And also phone is connected to charger
Applesexual said:
http://androidheadlines.com/2015/03...-one-m9-running-antutu-benchmark-app-mwc.html
Well, time to go for the S6.
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Perhaps you would be more enlightened/discouraged by reading about the exact same issue with the S6 HERE
In both cases, these are both devices running "bragging" ROM versions for MWC and also running a synthetic benchmark that is often derided as "non-representative" of reality.
Either way, I wouldn't be tempted to draw any conclusions yet. Early adopters pay over the odds in financial and ROM stability/performance terms.
odd move basing your buying decision on a phone thats being used constantly pre released and being charged at the same dam time smh
And all this is based on the fact that some would-be tech journalist from Romania tried to do some benchmark tests on a phone with non-final software on it and that has been on the charger for two-three days continuously, with its screen lit up most of the time and that has been played with by hundreds of people ... Let's be patient a little and wait for a test when the whole package is actually finished and shipped out for real reviews.
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http://androidheadlines.com/2015/03...-one-m9-running-antutu-benchmark-app-mwc.html
Well, time to go for the S6.
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I had the same msg on my note 3... notting to worry about.. if your phone is at 57C, you'll see that msg in antututu if you want to benchmark
This should pretty much sum all this bafoonery up
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http://androidheadlines.com/2015/03...-one-m9-running-antutu-benchmark-app-mwc.html
Well, time to go for the S6.
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Read this, kind of lengthy but very well written.
http://semiaccurate.com/2015/03/02/behind-fake-qualcomm-snapdragon-810-overheating-rumors/
Applesexual said:
http://androidheadlines.com/2015/03...-one-m9-running-antutu-benchmark-app-mwc.html
Well, time to go for the S6.
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Even if this is true would rather have a heating phone than a glass back phone with no microsd and running sampoop software that never updates still waiting for lollipop on my Note 4 worse decision ever trying samsung again I've never had a good experience with samsung u can have all the nice specs but you need software to back it up all htc's are currently updated to lollipop and should we talk about the bootloader easily unlockable does anyone remember the fact it leaked samsung paid people to give bad reviews on phones they have alot of money to throw around best is to try the phone yourself thats what the 15 day return policy is for
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Even if this is true would rather have a heating phone than a glass back phone with no microsd and running sampoop software that never updates still waiting for lollipop on my Note 4 worse decision ever trying samsung again I've never had a good experience with samsung u can have all the nice specs but you need software to back it up all htc's are currently updated to lollipop and should we talk about the bootloader easily unlockable does anyone remember the fact it leaked samsung paid people to give bad reviews on phones they have alot of money to throw around best is to try the phone yourself thats what the 15 day return policy is for
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Couldn't make sense of your point as there was no punctuation...I have tired head now.
Even if so, samsung would be the last company I turn my head to if I leave HTC (after apple that is, but goes without saying)
I thought this was a joke. The same post is in the Galaxy S6 forum.
Anywoot, simple solution to overheating. Custom kernel and undervolting.
watched this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eqez7e5JTcU running benchmarks side by side and no overheating warning popped up on either phone.
Overheating on a demo phone that probably has the screen on for hours on end and is tethered into a charger...yeah that makes sense
Yes indeed.. Antutu already alarms when your phone is at 58C... Screen and charger always on, a lot of people play with it and run benchmarks.. not so strange it's going to be around 60C and antutu gives a warning..
Even the S6 will do exactly the same in that situation. I've had it also with my Note 3, when on charger
Not a big fan of Samsung's take on Android (TW) and I know benchmark results are not always reflective of real world performance. However, these results look pretty darn good for the S6 devices. Seems like some good optimization work has gone into these devices. S6 is pushing a lot more pixels.. don't know how the tests are affected by that.
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Not a big fan of Samsung's take on Android (TW) and I know benchmark results are not always reflective of real world performance. However, these results look pretty darn good for the S6 devices. Seems like some good optimization work has gone into these devices. S6 is pushing a lot more pixels.. don't know how the tests are affected by that.
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Optimization... On Samsung! Pufffth. It was evident in previous cases that the Note 3 had cheated on bench marks. I'm not saying HTC hasn't cheated either, but just something to realize that benchmarks aren't everything and can be easily fabricated with some from of performance setting (i.e. higher clocks or performance governor).
My insights below. Maybe biased in the eyes of Samsung
After owning both the One M7 and S5 - I had a better experience on the m7 and the screen on the Samsung is very thin that it broke after I dropped it on the ground. I personally see a lot of people with broken digitizer's on the bus and this is probably why. In my case, my next phone will either be a Sony or a HTC. If you guys are wondering if warranty protects against this, it doesn't unless the phone's digitizer doesn't respond at all that means I'm not covered by warranty at all. Something to realize when buying any from of warranty.
that is inevitable, cortex A57 is a big and hot core

BlackBerry Priv Detailed Reviews

I currently own a Samsung Galaxy Note 3 and I'm looking for an upgrade. I firstly had my eye towards the Samsung Galaxy Note 5 although it's not fully available in the UK not to mention by then I started looking elsewhere.
I started getting interested in the Priv when the rumors initially came flooding in and honestly speaking, I was fairly excited. I used to use a Blackberry Torch 9810 and I quite liked it. Battery life was atrocious by todays standards and so was the OS but so much has improved since then and I quite liked the keyboard as well as the design as it was different to all the candy bar shaped phones. Whats putting me off from buying the Priv is the many bad reviews I've seen/ read who seem to say generally say its good but eh.... I want to buy this phone and the only thing that keeps me going is the odd review saying something to the contrary and it's MicroSD support (I currently have a 64gb MicroSD card in my Note 3).
So essentially, if anyone that has a Blackberry Priv, I was wondering could you be kind enough to relay your honest thoughts on the phone. I appreciate all input.
Thanks
It's a pretty solid device in my estimation, though it depends on what you're looking for. I've found a number of the unfavourable reviews typically seem to be written by people who aren't really into the hard physical keyboard thing. With that being the primary feature and selling point of the phone, that makes its flaws stand out a lot more to these reviewers. Things that I can confirm are as follows:
Some minor build issues, specifically for the non-US models, since those do not have the wireless charging chip, and as such, the back of the phone does have a very small amount of give to it due to the absence of the chip.
Some of the early runs of the device have a slightly loose screen on the left hand side. My device has this issue, which I'm getting it replaced for, but I've seen other devices that do not have it, and are rock solid, so might be a specific batch.
There's a small software glitch with the physical keyboard, if you type multiple letters in a row too quickly, the phone doesn't register the second keypress. I have a feeling this has something to do with the autocomplete or gestures that the keyboard has to offer, so it should be an easy thing for them to fix. And, you won't notice it until you're up to speed typing on it, anyway.
Apart from that, I haven't had any of the issues others have been reporting about the device, such as excessive heat, or poor battery life. That said, I made certain to update all my apps right from the start, as it seems a lollipop issue that system apps don't all get detected by the play store for updating the first time, and I think that was what was giving people some trouble. I currently am seeing about 2 days worth of fairly active phone use out of it, and the standby time is incredible, losing at most 1% of battery per hour.
As for the microSD support, not sure why anyone would say anything about that, it most certainly accepts microSD cards, and is standardized for the SDXC specification, so in theory, it should handle up to a maximum of 2tb cards, whenever those come into existence. There was a small issue with the exfat filesystem, which might be why some reports say cards don't work, but that was due to the BB exfat driver not being integrated into the system. It exists on the play store, and once you download and install it, exfat formatted cards work just fine. There seem to be some issues still with exfat support, though, but my bet is it's more related to Lollipop than to BB's implementation.
nice review to you both mate :good::highfive:

How reliable is the Oneplus One now? (March 2016)

After weathering the storm of chaos as huge crowds rushed to get the One, hearing countless horror stories of failing phones and terrible support, and waiting for (hopefully) all hardware problems to rear their ugly faces, I'm at a loss now--in March 2016--as to whether or not buying a used phone, said to work perfectly by the seller and has been tested enough by natural selection, would be a good idea if I can only return DOAs.
I'm calling on everyone here not to post just epic sob-stories; instead, if you had an issue (hardware, software, firmware, or other) please post what it was, when it showed up (how much use, any possible user error that may have caused it), whether it was fixed (and if it was, what it was fixed by), how long it lasted, what ROM/software version you were on, and any other important info.
Thanks so much in advance; I really like the specs and the original reviews, but just can't be sure if it got back up after falling flat right out of the gate.
I got a oneplus one. I love it!. Soon as I got i t I rooted and flashed CM13. NO ISSUES WITH IT AT ALL.
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After weathering the storm of chaos as huge crowds rushed to get the One, hearing countless horror stories of failing phones and terrible support, and waiting for (hopefully) all hardware problems to rear their ugly faces, I'm at a loss now--in March 2016--as to whether or not buying a used phone, said to work perfectly by the seller and has been tested enough by natural selection, would be a good idea if I can only return DOAs.
I'm calling on everyone here not to post just epic sob-stories; instead, if you had an issue (hardware, software, firmware, or other) please post what it was, when it showed up (how much use, any possible user error that may have caused it), whether it was fixed (and if it was, what it was fixed by), how long it lasted, what ROM/software version you were on, and any other important info.
Thanks so much in advance; I really like the specs and the original reviews, but just can't be sure if it got back up after falling flat right out of the gate.
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Nearly 2 years and no regrets..
I only got this phone at the end of 2015 and I haven't regretted a bit, ever. It's an amazing phone, I never had any problem with it. The metal around the screen is the only thing that wears out, it's not awful but it as some scratches, and I'm very careful. Believe me, for the price, this is still the best budget phone you can get
I have the ability to get it for as low as $180 here in the US. I know that is quite a good deal compared to the original price, but with the OPX having been released with similar specs and such I'm not quite sure I fully grasp whether or not this price is a steal, or just a good bargain. Thoughts?
Absolutely hate it. I regret trading my Nexus 6 for it. My data has been spotty and I keep getting random reboots. Today, I was using the GPS and Google Maps lost the ability to connect to my phone's mobile data during the commute. Completely overshot my destination, thanks OnePlus!
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Absolutely hate it. I regret trading my Nexus 6 for it. My data has been spotty and I keep getting random reboots. Today, I was using the GPS and Google Maps lost the ability to connect to my phone's mobile data during the commute. Completely overshot my destination, thanks OnePlus!
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When it comes to data, I'm not too worried as I use tracfone (so I'm not really used to the convenience of data on the go) and have great coverage around here--unless it is so significantly worse than the Nexus 6 so as to cause a steady 3-4 bars on one to equal intermittent service on the other.
For the random reboots, when did they start? What ROM? When do they happen?
dreamwave said:
I have the ability to get it for as low as $180 here in the US. I know that is quite a good deal compared to the original price, but with the OPX having been released with similar specs and such I'm not quite sure I fully grasp whether or not this price is a steal, or just a good bargain. Thoughts?
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On paper, the OnePlus One and OnePlus X may seem similar, but it's only so much.
The OPO features (as compared to the OPX)
> a higher-tier variant of the Snapdragon 801 (MSM8974AC) @ 2.5ghz
> a larger 5.5in LTPS (IPS LCD) display (screen size is subjective, some people prefer smaller)
> better band support for US Carriers (the OPX lacks necessary bands)
> a better rear-facing camera (capable of 4K DCI/UHD recording) and can be vastly improved with Sultan's modifications
> WIFI AC + Dual band (2.4/5.0ghz)
> a larger 3100mah battery
> NFC (the OPX doesn't have NFC, seriously)
But most importantly, the OPO is sustained by one of the largest dev communities ever, right here at XDA. Even after OnePlus/Cyanogen discontinues official support for the device, the community will keep it alive and strong for a VERY long time. The OPX lacks this kind of love and support. Unsurprisingly, OnePlus themselves seem to be neglecting the OPX.
The OPX features (as compared to the OPO)
> a more portable 5in AMOLED display
> a better front-facing camera
I might sound biased, but that is justified by everything I've just listed. It's clear who's the winner here.
Spec sheets for reference:
http://www.gsmarena.com/oneplus_one-6327.php
http://www.gsmarena.com/oneplus_x-7630.php
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On paper, ... camera
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Thanks for the insight. I kind of wonder why it's so cheap when it's so competitive with other phones of the time. The Galaxy s5 seems to go, used, for between $250-300 while the OPO goes for between 200-225 normally. I get that last generation phones can go down in price, but it seemed unexpected that it didn't even out to pretty much the same used price as most of those other phones. I was just thinking there must be something I was missing.
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I kind of wonder why it's so cheap when it's so competitive with other phones of the time. The Galaxy s5 seems to go, used, for between $250-300 while the OPO goes for between 200-225 normally. I get that last generation phones can go down in price, but it seemed unexpected that it didn't even out to pretty much the same used price as most of those other phones. I was just thinking there must be something I was missing.
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This is expected. The Galaxy S5 is a Samsung device and as with all popular brands, these devices can go for a high price, from when they're released to even a few years later.
The OnePlus One was OnePlus' very first device and it was named "The Flagship Killer" for a reason- that reason being it had the same specs as popular flagship devices (ie. Galaxy S5, Xperia Z3, HTC One M8) but costed much less than they did. This is why the OPO, new or used, continues to be sold for lower than any other popular flagship device.
As a note, OnePlus claims that they barely made any profit at the time due to selling the OPO for such a low price, but they actually had a lot of backup from their overseeing company, OPPO.
Trust me (and everyone here), the OPO is still an amazing device. Everything about it screams high quality.
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When it comes to data, I'm not too worried as I use tracfone (so I'm not really used to the convenience of data on the go) and have great coverage around here--unless it is so significantly worse than the Nexus 6 so as to cause a steady 3-4 bars on one to equal intermittent service on the other.
For the random reboots, when did they start? What ROM? When do they happen?
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Running Sultan's CM13 - had similar issues with CM12. Switched to CM13 because Sultan was actively developing it. Tried other roms but I didn't like them as much as Sultan's rom. Charging is also atrocious - 2 hours to go from 10% to 100% with the stock cable and charger.
The funny thing is, I had full bars and data, GMaps just couldn't connect until I restarted the phone.
I had three reboots in the past hour. One with the phone laying on my desk. Another while scrolling through GroupMe. The final after I took a screenshot of my lockscreen. I don't use xposed or any other customization app.
Best phone ever released till date, we can edit ANDROID to the core.. I am using since aug 2014, only thing i regret is camera compared to todays phones but even it lives it up to the mark
well!! it is reliable enough ...
I've had this device since November 2014 and going strong. This device is one of the best purchases I've ever made in terms of a device. Unless I cause damage to it or there are new band support that's needed in the near future, I might actually try to keep this device until end of 2017.
I've really have had no issues with this phone, probably my only real gripe is the lack of OIS support.
You really can't go wrong with the OnePlus One.
Being a phone junkie, I jumped at the chance for a flagship killer, and do not regret it. Looking at all the phones we have today, this one still stacks up great, and outperforms my buddies lg v10 (which was what I was going to get, but couldn't justify the price) in a lot of areas (mostly stupid golf games), though all his hardware is top notch.
This device is affordable, and still runs as smooth as day one. Dev community awesome. I had the slight yellow tinge when it first came out, but it's gone. I had another friend of mine buy the op2 just cause he liked my phone so much but wanted the dual Sim...
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I'm looking to jump back in with a OPO after a year, has the touch screen issue been addressed? I had the issue on two OPO's. Very great device otherwise!
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I'm looking to jump back in with a OPO after a year, has the touch screen issue been addressed? I had the issue on two OPO's. Very great device otherwise!
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That was one of the things I was wondering: there were a lot of people having problems with the touchscreen, they apparently had a firmware fix but I still saw some reports of problems afterwards. Haven't seen any recently, but no real discussion about what was the issue, whether there were some people with hardware problems AND some people with firmware problems or if there were just firmware problems. I think I might have seen something on their forums but I honestly don't trust that place with the reports of censorship and all the fanboys dismissing problems.
EDIT: Just found this thread that describes what causes the issue. Definitely an involved process, but at least it suggests a problem other than just faulty-digitizer roulette. I hate the lengths that Oneplus goes to to try and hide this kind of thing. They could gain a lot more support if they were just transparent about their fumbles and mistakes instead of trying to sweep stuff under the rug and waiting for it to create a scandal.
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That was one of the things I was wondering: there were a lot of people having problems with the touchscreen, they apparently had a firmware fix but I still saw some reports of problems afterwards. Haven't seen any recently, but no real discussion about what was the issue, whether there were some people with hardware problems AND some people with firmware problems or if there were just firmware problems. I think I might have seen something on their forums but I honestly don't trust that place with the reports of censorship and all the fanboys dismissing problems.
EDIT: Just found this thread that describes what causes the issue. Definitely an involved process, but at least it suggests a problem other than just faulty-digitizer roulette. I hate the lengths that Oneplus goes to to try and hide this kind of thing. They could gain a lot more support if they were just transparent about their fumbles and mistakes instead of trying to sweep stuff under the rug and waiting for it to create a scandal.
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Yeah, I remember reading about that .. Hoping they fixed the issue as I'm contemplating purchasing one new from OnePlus.
Just wanted to follow-up on my post from yesterday, OP.
I'm now on rooted stock COS12.1 - latest update, as of yesterday night. Only rooted apps I use are AdAway and TiBu (might not justify root tbh haha). But it's still not that great. The phone was definitely much smoother with Sultan's rom, with occasional hiccups. Just tried to do a raid in COC and the phone went unresponsive until I locked the screen but I had to resort to rebooting to make it actually work. It actually froze on the "rebooting" screen and I had to hard reboot.
For reference, I've had the phone since September 2015 and have been holding out for this year's Nexus but I might have to bite the bullet and pick up the 6P. My phone timeline is as follows: LG MyTouch, HTC Sensation 4G, Moto G 1st Gen, Nexus 6 and OnePlus One. Favorites have been Moto G and Nexus 6.
buy opo, leave opx....look around here on developments for both devices and u know why i say opo

This Poor Basta*** Gonna Regret Posting This One!

Just saw this ill-informed rhetoric-filled piece on one of the supplied google sites this morning!
I hope his blog, carelessly admitting at it's end he could care less about the continuance of Samsung's Premiere Flagship Series, The Galaxy Note, doesn't bring with it the death threats and strange new au tos (occupied once) seen passing slowly throughout the neighborhood....to be cont'd....maybe?!
《《《Here's the correctly-copied link...so sorry for any confusion I may have caused!》》》
The Galaxy Note 21 now looks dead — and that’s a good thing
The Galaxy Note’s time has come and gone — Samsung should move on to the next big thing
www-tomsguide-com.cdn.ampproject.org
I take what Tom's Guide posts with a grain of salt. It has a habit of giving bad reviews to most every electronic item the average person likes and loves and giving great reviews to high priced junk. Ratings does kind of the same thing, they give great reviews to the highest priced tvs and sound bars by LG, Samsung, and Sony that aren't actually that good and they crap on the lower priced stuff made by Vizio, Hisense, and TCL that are actually better than the highest priced stuff.
If I'm looking for reviews on a phone, TV, soundbar, or earbuds and either these 2 sites pop up with reviews, I skipp right over them because their reviews and post are always biased for certain items and against others
It was just worded badly. I understand and agree with some of the points like foldable phones being the future and the speculation that the S-Pen will be included in future versions of these phones. It's just that we're not there yet until the tech matures and prices start coming down for us mere mortals.
I think the wording posted here is a bit better than the one in Tom's Guide. https://www.sammobile.com/news/excl...1CQg6tA4j_uRp87PJdoCKIOfFiNAseXIZVbmFw93z3Z4U
I kind of agree at least in some sense that they are going to skip 2021 and have confirmed that they are going to have on in 2022
At least your Note20 won't age so fast
And I also favor foldables with pen. With Z Fold being gigantic I bought Z Flip to try, but it's severely crippled vs flagships and it doesn't have pen, nor good camera.
Let's watch out for Z Flip 3. Your next Note
HISTORY WINDOW
I just checked my Note 2 folder: odin3.0.7, cwm-root-note2.tar.md5, cwm6-recovery-n7100-121014.tar, Remove_Camera_sounds.zip etc
And then Note3 folder.. this device was fantastic because it provided the FingerHover(R) technology! Why, why, why it doesn't exist anymore

Phone drops signal calls on all roms, phone random reboots, twrp restore problems, camera dies

Hello. I have the G900V on Verizon and for the past couple days have been having trouble getting back to a stable rom. I've had signal drops at random especially when making calls and phone random reboots. I'm on lineage OS 14.1 / 18.1.
At times reverts to 3G and have to restart phone
Stock camera says "Media server died" and crashes
At times screen glitches out and can see artifacts
Phone gets super hot at times (Batteries are brand new)
Things i've tried numerous times over....
1. To restore backups on TWRP but sometimes getting error messages Error 255 and Signal 9
2. Restoring roms from stock but signal still drops (even when roms seems fine stock rom nothing restored)
3. Restored firmware thru odin
4. Flashed different version of TWRP
5. cleared out apps cache data for camera but still dies
6. Restored EFS (radios)
7. Re-installing roms from scratch with gapps and magisk
Currently again restoring Lineage 14.1 RR again now. Any ideas on what's wrong with my phone?
UPDATE: October 3rd I flashed a stock rom Android 5.0 LL. Went to use camera and it failed and my signal went out so sadly it's hardware failure for sure! Phone also keeps boot looping at random and real hot. I had this phone for 7 years guess it's time for a change.
Any thoughts on the S20 / S20 Ultra as an upgrade? Stay with Verizon or go to T-mobile? I read it can be rooted and have a paid service to have bootloader unlocked.
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Try a known good stock rom to rule out a mobo failure.
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Try a known good stock rom to rule out a mobo failure.
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So I flashed back to stock 5.0 and sure enough went to open camera and it failed and my signal dropped and went out. It's confirmed hardware failure. I finally got back to Lineage 14.1 after like a dozen stuck boot loops it finally booted into the rom.
I'm thinking of upgrading to the S20 / S20 Ultra on either Verizon or T-Mobile. S21 has no expandable storage. I read the bootloader can be unlocked for a service fee and phone can be rooted. I run Mac so I do not have windows so hopefully I can do this!
What do you suggest for a new device? This is a very sad day for me! But it's time for new and better things!
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So I flashed back to stock 5.0 and sure enough went to open camera and it failed and my signal dropped and went out. It's confirmed hardware failure. I finally got back to Lineage 14.1 after like a dozen stuck boot loops it finally booted into the rom.
I'm thinking of upgrading to the S20 / S20 Ultra on either Verizon or T-Mobile. S21 has no expandable storage. I read the bootloader can be unlocked for a service fee and phone can be rooted. I run Mac so I do not have windows so hopefully I can do this!
What do you suggest for a new device? This is a very sad day for me! But it's time for new and better things!
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Sorry to hear that.
Avoid Android 11 at all costs. It's a dead rotting horse... a fubar.
I picked up a new unlocked Note 10+ 256gb, 12gb US Snapdragon variant running on Q for $800 a week ago. Overall Q has a few rude surprises but is far less restrictive than R.
If you like Notes, you'll love the 10+. I have two now. The first one is 2 year old and still looks and runs like new. One replacement battery in this heavily used device. Current stock OS load is 16 months old, still fast and stable with minimum maintenance.
This variant is not easy to root if that's your intention. Package Disabler though will let you clean it up nicely.
The 60hz display is still one of the best out there (excellent color, contrast, brightnessl, and even with older hardware it's downright snappy and fun to use. Even in a case because it's so thin it doesn't seem that big.
Get a Zizo Bolt case, put a .5-1tb V30 SD card in it and it's good to go
After the 10+ it's slim pickings from Samsung in my opinion... which is why I now have two
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Sorry to hear that.
Avoid Android 11 at all costs. It's a dead rotting horse... a fubar.
I picked up a new unlocked Note 10+ 256gb, 12gb US Snapdragon variant running on Q for $800 a week ago. Overall Q has a few rude surprises but is far less restrictive than R.
If you like Notes, you'll love the 10+. I have two now. The first one is 2 year old and still looks and runs like new. One replacement battery in this heavily used device. Current stock OS load is 16 months old, still fast and stable with minimum maintenance.
This variant is not easy to root if that's your intention. Package Disabler though will let you clean it up nicely.
The 60hz display is still one of the best out there (excellent color, contrast, brightnessl, and even with older hardware it's downright snappy and fun to use. Even in a case because it's so thin it doesn't seem that big.
Get a Zizo Bolt case, put a .5-1tb V30 SD card in it and it's good to go
After the 10+ it's slim pickings from Samsung in my opinion... which is why I now have two
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Yeah I'd rather have the S20+ because its newer and it has the expandable sd card. The S10 / Note 10 is too old. This morning my phone finally got stuck in permeant boot loop and wont boot into any roms period after it was pretty much fine for about a week. Thanks for getting back to me I appreciate it.
Plus the S10 Note 10 doesnt have 5G. The S20 was the first and the S20 plus has 5G mw vs the slower 5G speed on the regular S20. If I have to upgrade I might as well get a 5G device this time. My last 2/3 Androids were 4G since 2012.
The 10+ is an exceptional phone. It's color rendering exceeds the N20U and new iPhone.
It depends entirely what you want to use it for though. The Snapdragon variant is a pain to root and I wouldn't recommended rooting it.
As a stock workhorse, watching vids and browsing it rocks. It's build and display qualities are exceptional which weighed heavily on my decision. My refusal to adapt R and no SD card sealed all the new junk's fate.
Lol, a faster processor and laser AF been nice but not at the cost of downgrading usability.
I will continue herding user friendly dinosaurs...
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The 10+ is an exceptional phone. It's color rendering exceeds the N20U and new iPhone.
It depends entirely what you want to use it for though. The Snapdragon variant is a pain to root and I wouldn't recommended rooting it.
As a stock workhorse, watching vids and browsing it rocks. It's build and display qualities are exceptional which weighed heavily on my decision. My refusal to adapt R and no SD card sealed all the new junk's fate.
Lol, a faster processor and laser AF been nice but not at the cost of downgrading usability.
I will continue herding user friendly dinosaurs...
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I'm being told as long as the S20 has a bit 1 bootloader it can be unlocked and rooted. I'm looking on Swappa right now.
I don't like the fact years ago with the new phones they sealed the batteries making them non removable and some of the phones you cant use an external sd card. I'm not so much about the screen specs as I just want a phone that has 5G that can be rooted. I do like all the new phones come standard with OIS on the cameras, as a photographer with an old Nikon that will come in handy. I didn't like the fact the S5 pictures would come out shaky at times, the Note 4 had OIS tho. If they had made the S10 / Note 10 5G I would consider it! But I've been on 4G for nearly 10 years now and if I'm going to have to spend a bunch of money I might as well invest in newer technology.
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I'm being told as long as the S20 has a bit 1 bootloader it can be unlocked and rooted. I'm looking on Swappa right now.
I don't like the fact years ago with the new phones they sealed the batteries making them non removable and some of the phones you cant use an external sd card. I'm not so much about the screen specs as I just want a phone that has 5G that can be rooted. I do like all the new phones come standard with OIS on the cameras, as a photographer with an old Nikon that will come in handy. I didn't like the fact the S5 pictures would come out shaky at times, the Note 4 had OIS tho. If they had made the S10 / Note 10 5G I would consider it! But I've been on 4G for nearly 10 years now and if I'm going to have to spend a bunch of money I might as well invest in newer technology.
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I'm not sold on 5G. Many times it's net bandwidth increase is 20%. How badly it impacts battery life especially with less than optimum reception is a point of contention.
5G has shorter range and worse reach around objects than 4G. 4G should be around for another 10 years. Since I can browse and stream vids with no major issues I put 5G on the back burner. Lol, I still just adorn my 10+... so there's that. The square display, its 7mm thickness, it's stability, speed, all around usability and the spen really make it a killer phone even today.
I wouldn't recommend the 5G 10+ variant as it reportedly impacts power usage which is typical of the 1st generation of 5G. The Exynos chipset is a different animal from the Snapdragon. It may also have a different graphene heat sink on some of those phones. All Snapdragons variants to the best of my knowledge have the vapor cooled variant which is superior.
Be very careful buying any Samsung phone. A lot of misleading even outright fraud going on now.
Demand nothing less than full specs. Cross check device P/N and specs, always.
Many have reflashed roms and are the Exynos rather than the Snapdragon variants but the seller tries to hide that fact.
Best to talk to the seller by phone.
Buying a new older phone can be a better deal in spite of the higher price. The above issues are one of the reasons I rejected a N20U. A lot of the 8gb ram variants out there too and sellers trying to hide it, wtf? You want 12gb of ram if you can get it... it runs like a champ.
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I'm not sold on 5G. Many times it's net bandwidth increase is 20%. How badly it impacts battery life especially with less than optimum reception is a point of contention.
5G has shorter range and worse reach around objects than 4G. 4G should be around for another 10 years. Since I can browse and stream vids with no major issues I put 5G on the back burner. Lol, I still just adorn my 10+... so there's that. The square display, its 7mm thickness, it's stability, speed, all around usability and the spen really make it a killer phone even today.
I wouldn't recommend the 5G 10+ variant as it reportedly impacts power usage which is typical of the 1st generation of 5G. The Exynos chipset is a different animal from the Snapdragon. It may also have a different graphene heat sink on some of those phones. All Snapdragons variants to the best of my knowledge have the vapor cooled variant which is superior.
Be very careful buying any Samsung phone. A lot of misleading even outright fraud going on now.
Demand nothing less than full specs. Cross check device P/N and specs, always.
Many have reflashed roms and are the Exynos rather than the Snapdragon variants but the seller tries to hide that fact.
Best to talk to the seller by phone.
Buying a new older phone can be a better deal in spite of the higher price. The above issues are one of the reasons I rejected a N20U. A lot of the 8gb ram variants out there too and sellers trying to hide it, wtf? You want 12gb of ram if you can get it... it runs like a champ.
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Well I know my next phone won't be thru my provider or ebay that is for sure. I am putting trust into Swappa. I think I can email the seller but not able to call them. According to google the S20+ SM-G986U is a US variant with the snapdragon chip. They are unlocked meaning I can use them on any carrier. Swappa has a 30 day return policy and they verify devices. 5G is an investment and all devices are backward compatible. I know 5G has shorter reach but with it comes more speed. I was not aware of all the fraud going on with listings.
I had considered getting another Galaxy S5 or maybe a Note 4 but they are just too old. And knowing this one is in hardware failure isn't making me happy. I'm ok with 4G LTE but I just figure if i'm going to spend lots money might as well get something newer.
This is who I used. They answer their phone.
Shipped 2 day FedEx free, no screwing around.
All was as speced except OS was Q not Pie; check manufactured date to avoid this from happening. I'm not blaming the vendor for this. They buy lots of new unsold phones and resell them.
I have a high confidence level with this vendor.
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This is who I used. They answer their phone.
Shipped 2 day FedEx free, no screwing around.
All was as speced except OS was Q not Pie; check manufactured date to avoid this from happening. I'm not blaming the vendor for this. They buy lots of new unsold phones and resell them.
I have a high confidence level with this vendor.
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I had a look on their site and They are kind of pricey but are these phones under warranty? They are brand new? I know the Ultra had camera problems vs the other 2 S20's. Oh lots people are trying to convert me to Apple iPhone still . I do have a 2012 classic Macbook haha! I've compared both phones!
@TheMadScientist said I have to ask them what the firmware number is in order to be able to unlock bootloader thru SamPWND. https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/...ock-info-u-u1-w.4201689/page-13#post-85751713
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I had a look on their site and They are kind of pricey but are these phones under warranty? They are brand new? I know the Ultra had camera problems vs the other 2 S20's. Oh lots people are trying to convert me to Apple iPhone still . I do have a 2012 classic Macbook haha! I've compared both phones!
@TheMadScientist said I have to ask them what the firmware number is in order to be able to unlock bootloader thru SamPWND. https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/...ock-info-u-u1-w.4201689/page-13#post-85751713
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The warranty question is one I have as well but not too concerned. The 10+ Snapdragon's have a solid hardware track record. Just keep it in a good case...
I will ask next time I talk with them about the warranty.
If they're list as new; they are. Factory sealed. I scruntinized and tested mine hard, it is perfect. All factory plastic guards are present and no finger prints or micro scratches anywhere. They battery was quite low as expected when unboxed. Zero hours showing.
Display is perfect, tested with ScreenTest. It's snappy fast and getting good battery life so far.
Checked the ram usage, sensors, all good with nominal readings.
Connected straight up to phone/internet when I put my sim and SD cards in. Access the memory card data with no issues. Even Poweramp recognized the library on the data card instantly after I imported it's save settings.
Apple? Hell no. The color rendering tests for the 10+ exceed the newest Apple flagship phone in some respects. Although it has no high refresh rates it's color rendering make it still one of the best and stylish displays out there. I love the borderless design and square corners. Lol, the fact that I own 2 shows you I'm so jaded
As for your latter question I don't know. I leave the boot loader alone. It's simply not worth it to me to risk trashing these phones as they run very well unrooted. This variant is hard to root.
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The warranty question is one I have as well but not too concerned. The 10+ Snapdragon's have a solid hardware track record. Just keep it in a good case...
I will ask next time I talk with them about the warranty.
If they're list as new; they are. Factory sealed. I scruntinized and tested mine hard, it is perfect. All factory plastic guards are present and no finger prints or micro scratches anywhere. They battery was quite low as expected when unboxed. Zero hours showing.
Display is perfect, tested with ScreenTest. It's snappy fast and getting good battery life so far.
Checked the ram usage, sensors, all good with nominal readings.
Connected straight up to phone/internet when I put my sim and SD cards in. Access the memory card data with no issues. Even Poweramp recognized the library on the data card instantly after I imported it's save settings.
Apple? Hell no. The color rendering tests for the 10+ exceed the newest Apple flagship phone in some respects. Although it has no high refresh rates it's color rendering make it still one of the best and stylish displays out there. I love the borderless design and square corners. Lol, the fact that I own 2 shows you I'm so jaded
As for your latter question I don't know. I leave the boot loader alone. It's simply not worth it to me to risk trashing these phones as they run very well unrooted. This variant is hard to root.
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Meant to respond the other day. Your not BL unlocked and rooted? So today The seller you suggested finally got back to me about the firmware. They don't have that info so I guess i'll have to go with Swappa and get a mint like new device. I think Samsunghas a brighter display more nitz than iPhone from what I read. I know my S5 was hard to see during daylight tho. Is your phone easy on the pocket can it fit?
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Meant to respond the other day. Your not BL unlocked and rooted? So today The seller you suggested finally got back to me about the firmware. They don't have that info so I guess i'll have to go with Swappa and get a mint like new device. I think Samsunghas a brighter display more nitz than iPhone from what I read. I know my S5 was hard to see during daylight tho. Is your phone easy on the pocket can it fit?
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The N10+ Snapdragon variant is notoriously hard to unlock the BL and root. Simply not worth the risk for me as it can run very well stock. My oldest one has been in service 2 years unrooted and runs great.
The Exynos variant are easy to root but have their own hardware issues. All Snapdragon variants use the preferred vapor phase/copper heatpipe, some of the Exynos variant are randomingly using the inferior graphene heatpipe.
If the actual Exynos chipset its self is inferior is another debate. I can't really comment on that with any authority or knowledge as I haven't researched it much. It may simply not have as good of an instruction set as the Snapdragon or deeper architecture differences. Both are 7 um chips.
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The N10+ Snapdragon variant is notoriously hard to unlock the BL and root. Simply not worth the risk for me as it can run very well stock. My oldest one has been in service 2 years unrooted and runs great.
The Exynos variant are easy to root but have their own hardware issues. All Snapdragon variants use the preferred vapor phase/copper heatpipe, some of the Exynos variant are randomingly using the inferior graphene heatpipe.
If the actual Exynos chipset its self is inferior is another debate. I can't really comment on that with any authority or knowledge as I haven't researched it much. It may simply not have as good of an instruction set as the Snapdragon or deeper architecture differences. Both are 7 um chips.
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I'm guessing you have the Exynos and not the Snapdragon variant? I know Snapdragons are harder to unlock and root. I read something about the upcoming S22 snapdragon having a different cooling method than the current you mentioned used. I can't wait months for a new phone tho. I do not trust Ebay as a seller and unfortnantley the one you suggested is of no help regarding the firmware.
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I'm guessing you have the Exynos and not the Snapdragon variant? I know Snapdragons are harder to unlock and root. I read something about the upcoming S22 snapdragon having a different cooling method than the current you mentioned used. I can't wait months for a new phone tho. I do not trust Ebay as a seller and unfortnantley the one you suggested is of no help regarding the firmware.
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Both are running with Snapdragon, deliberately.
To me a having fast, stable platform that fun to use and fulfills its mission 100% is far more important than having the newest, fastest device.
Mind you, I wuv speed and hate to wait.
I hate endless troubleshooting even more...
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Both are running with Snapdragon, deliberately.
To me a having fast, stable platform that fun to use and fulfills its mission 100% is far more important than having the newest, fastest device.
Mind you, I wuv speed and hate to wait.
I hate endless troubleshooting even more...
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Right and that is what I want too in a device. I'm tired of flashing ROMS after having my S5. It was non stop this past week or so and it would just bootloop and freeze and drop calls no matter what ended up being bad logic motherboard (was having issues sporadically past couple months). I just want to be rooted stock for now and be able to make recieve calls, texts without issue and restore things to my phone. Troubleshootng can be more trouble than it's worth hense all that troubles with my S5 towards the EOL (End of life).
What does wuv speed mean?
I'm having a serious problem with sellers not being able to tell me the firmware build number for S20+ 986U. This is becoming such a hassle! I'm looking at brand new sealed in box on Ebay and used mint on Swappa. The seller from Fusion Electronixs says they cant just order a phone and turn it on to see build number. I did mention the box and to check that. Should I just take my chances and buy one off Ebay or Swappa without knowing the build number?
I know once I got a temp phone years ago on Ebay and it was not as described was a different S5.

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