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My pet peeve on HD is the camera auto focus. It's nothing to write home about, but OK for a phone, to my taste. The major problem with it is the autofocus which takes forever to work. Since it's difficult (for me) to hold the device steadily for such a long time, my guess is that a "focus free" mode (setting focus to infinity IINM) would make things way better for most uses. At least it work well on my Asus P750.
Does anyone know if it's possible on HD?
This is an interesting question. I havn't got my HD yet, but I can imagine, one of the things which stops this handset being used for quick snaps, is the auto focus.... I'd be intruiged to hear suggestions on this.
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Problem is these camera units often have to be wide open apertures, to compensate for the tiny sensors. If it was F8 or something most stuff would be in focus all the time, but pictures in anything but bright sun would be just a huge blur because of the long shutter time needed.
Basically, camera phones will always be useless, regardless of how many megapixels they shoehorn in there.
Well, I can live with blur, actually. As long as there's something in the picture. But this 3 second long focusing just doesn't allow me to capture anything!
I don't want to live with blur at all, no point if there IS someone in the picture but they look like tom welling in smallville using super speed
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Well, I can live with blur, actually. As long as there's something in the picture. But this 3 second long focusing just doesn't allow me to capture anything!
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Check the user manual. It might me a user defined setting let you change the duration taken to say 1 second?
if i hold the camera vertical and take pics, then email or post them, the top of the pic is now on the left side and it is a horizontal picture. (sure hope i am explaining this properly). if i take a picture horizontally, it will remain as it should.
this is default on most phones i think. wifes iPhone 4 does the same thing.
is there a way to make the camera app know that i am taking a pic a certain way and it saves them accordingly?
if i take a picture horizontally, it will look correct and i will not have to rotate the picture. this is just confusing to me that the phone doesnt know that i am taking a picture vertically and saves if horizontally.
any explanation?
Just curious, have you tried changing the pic resolution? Its set to widescreen by default. With camera open, open the menu, pick settings and top choice is resolution.
when changed i am sure it will work but then the quality is downgraded, correct?
i am in the middle of an SBF and 6.5 install right now or i would check. but i defiantly will once it is up.
i take a lot of pics of my 7 month old and want the best quality possible, ya know?
The first choice below widescreen is 5mp so probably not downgraded much.
changing the resolution doesn't change the horizontal issue...I would like to find a fix for this also.
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Ron
rpolansky said:
changing the resolution doesn't change the horizontal issue...I would like to find a fix for this also.
Thx.
Ron
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same here. this drives me nuts. especially when I am sending a MMS
Not really a solution but you can easily turn them to the left, or right, in the Gallery-app and email them from there!
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same here. this drives me nuts. especially when I am sending a MMS
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or posting to Facebook
and i can also confirm that the change of settings do nothing. only makes it a more square picture and not widescreen. . .
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Not really a solution but you can easily turn them to the left, or right, in the Gallery-app and email them from there!
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needs to be automatic but good idea.
jange said:
Not really a solution but you can easily turn them to the left, or right, in the Gallery-app and email them from there!
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good to know. I assume gallery "saves" the new orientation? now that I think about it, the pictures always look correct in the gallery app but are sideways when posting to facebook or sending an MMS
Vignette?
I saw somewhere that using Vignette fixed the prob on other android models. Not free..
I tried the demo version and it does seem to work for me so I a probably going to buy the app.
is there any other reason to switch to this application, vs the stock? i dont mind switching but would like to know more information you know?
not that you have it, just saying... i wonder what other perks there are..
I just tried out the demo version of Vignette. I does fix the locked in landscape issue, however, it seemed quite slow. I took a picture, then it had to make a preview (took several seconds) and then I had to click an option to "Save & Close" the preview. And then I was back to a position to be able to take another picture.
I'm not sure if the paid version is faster or not. I guess I could spend the ~$4.00 and return/refund within 15 minutes if I don't like it. Does anyone else know of any other 3rd party camera apps? I did a quick search in Android Market and didn't find anything promising. (I'll have to do more digging.)
EDIT: There is an autosave setting that I checked on that took some time and work out of what I mentioned earlier. This app is promising, but isn't very polished... especially for ~$4.00 USD.
dont pay.. i uhm. i have it. i will let you know. but i think that it is slow. i am sure you can change the auto preview though and just snap and go and review later.
I need to play with a little more, also. I only tried it for a few minutes. I didn't notice it being that slow but it may be because I didn't spend enough time. I may have to try the full version and return it if I don't like it. There is another camera app on android that is highly rated-Camera Zoom FX. I don't know if it fixes the problem and there wasn't a demo....
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there is an auto save option. but when checked, it still shows the picture for 2 seconds. so i am thinking vs the stock camera app, it takes 4 seconds more to take another picture.
obviously this app has other options like effects or what not. but when taking a picture, i dont want to go through all of them and choose and then take the picture. i would rather just edit them later on photoshop or something similar.
so i am going to stick with the stock camera app and just deal with taking them horizontally until this is resolved, or not.
I have noticed the same thing, it seems pretty clear that the orientation EXIF flag is saved correctly with the picture since the gallery displays the picture correctly, and the EXIF auto-rotate feature on software like digikam seems to operate correctly.
This is how most digital cameras operate and should make it irrelevant how the images are actually stored.
Unfortunately a lot of the other android software doesn't seem to be aware of this flag. And there doesn't seem to be a setting to make the camera save the picture in it's correct orientation directly.
Oh and as far as the resolution settings goes, the widescreen setting is actually a lower resolution than the 5MP setting.
vignette has a " auto detect orientation" feature too
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there is an auto save option. but when checked, it still shows the picture for 2 seconds. so i am thinking vs the stock camera app, it takes 4 seconds more to take another picture.
obviously this app has other options like effects or what not. but when taking a picture, i dont want to go through all of them and choose and then take the picture. i would rather just edit them later on photoshop or something similar.
so i am going to stick with the stock camera app and just deal with taking them horizontally until this is resolved, or not.
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I was playing with it at lunch. Click on the options (normal) and change to "fast shot". I was able to take a number of pics quickly. Doing this auto saves the pics....
So I ran some tests - by comparing the Idol3 camera with my 4 year old Panasonic ZS7 P&S camera . What I have noticed that at low ISO - keeping both cameras stationary - the results are pretty close. For indoor pictures, what I have noticed is that the Idol3 flash does not come on easily. But this appears to be a general smartphone thing, because my Galaxy Exhibit camera is doing the same thing. Instead of turning the flash on , the Idol3 is bumping up the ISO to over 2000 ! This results in very grainy pictures.
So one way to ensure better pictures *could* be to follow this rule -- Outdoor - set ISO=100 always . Indoors - set ISO=200 , and set flash to forced.
Also - I noticed that the front camera can go to down to ISO 50 - whereas the back camera only goes down to ISO-100 .
I will do some more tests in the coming weekend. Does anyone know of a camera app that will tell me the shutter speed the camera is going to use *before* taking the picture? That way I can decide whether I need to bump up the ISO to speed up the shutter.
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Here are some sample pictures - in outdoor sunlit conditions --> https://goo.gl/photos/ckxAPRmKo3PWJTat8
I would like to hear what y'all think.
I have a slight amendment to my earlier suggestion. I noticed that for indoor shots, if I cap ISO to 200, it is slowing down the shutter leading to a shaky, and therefore, blurred picture. A grainy picture is still better than a blurred picture. So I think a better approach would be to force the flash, and then set the shutter to 1/30, and allow it to bump the ISO if it has to. The stock camera app has a manual mode where it allows setting shutter speed.
For outdoor pictures I am using 'A Better Camera' - free version. It allows me to set and save the ISO setting to ISO-100. Also it allows me to pick the auto-focus mode to AF-Lock. I think a lot of blurred pictures are because of focus issues. AF-lock allows you to focus on a specific object, and then lock it so that the phone is not constantly re-focusing. Another trick that can be considered is to use a 2-second timer, to prevent shake due to touching the screen for taking the picture. .
I will try some indoor shots next, as well as the RAW mode and then post when I have them.
Good info
i tried the oppo colorOS camera idk if its a placebo effect but i kinda notices good pictures sadly i cant take 50mp pictures like that phone yet has 13mp camera too using that same sensor it just stitches the best pics zoomed in into one making an illusion of 50mp
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Here are some sample pictures - in outdoor sunlit conditions --> https://goo.gl/photos/ckxAPRmKo3PWJTat8
I would like to hear what y'all think.
I have a slight amendment to my earlier suggestion. I noticed that for indoor shots, if I cap ISO to 200, it is slowing down the shutter leading to a shaky, and therefore, blurred picture. A grainy picture is still better than a blurred picture. So I think a better approach would be to force the flash, and then set the shutter to 1/30, and allow it to bump the ISO if it has to. The stock camera app has a manual mode where it allows setting shutter speed.
For outdoor pictures I am using 'A Better Camera' - free version. It allows me to set and save the ISO setting to ISO-100. Also it allows me to pick the auto-focus mode to AF-Lock. I think a lot of blurred pictures are because of focus issues. AF-lock allows you to focus on a specific object, and then lock it so that the phone is not constantly re-focusing. Another trick that can be considered is to use a 2-second timer, to prevent shake due to touching the screen for taking the picture. .
I will try some indoor shots next, as well as the RAW mode and then post when I have them.
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I think the photos look great. Nice dynamic range and colors.
Have you tried using the manual mode of the stock camera to change the settings?
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Have you tried using the manual mode of the stock camera to change the settings?
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Yes . The problem with the stock camera app is that it always starts in the auto-mode. It would be nice if it remembered the prior setting, but does not. For someone like me that likes a lot of manual controls ( shutter , aperture, ISO etc. etc. ) , this is a big pain if I have to switch to manual mode every time I take a picture. When in manual mode, it does not save any prior settings. So not only do I have to switch to manual mode, I then have to open another dialog and set the ISO to my liking. That in my opinion is way too cumbersome. In this respect, 'A Better Camera' is slightly better. It allows me to specify which settings it should remember between launches. So I can ask it to always remember the ISO and auto-focus modes. It does appear to have a bug , in that it does not display the modes correctly. So on start-up, it is telling me that it is on ISO-Auto - when I set it to ISO-100 - and when I actually take the picture, I do see that the ISO-100 was picked. Another problem with that app is that it does not allow setting of shutter speed, which the stock camera app does.
So I really haven't found any one camera app that does everything I want . But in doing this research , I am realizing how big of a pain using a smartphone as a camera can be. I really wish Alcatel had a model with no front and back camera and for $50 less ! That would be the perfect device for me
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I managed to try out the RAW capture functionality of the camera.
Here is the unprocessed TIFF file, created from a .DNG using dcraw >> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B960wOI9V0CfWGpmRUxicVpLZDg/view?usp=sharing
Here is a jpeg - taken using the 'A Better Camera' app , of the same scene, at pretty much the same time >> https://goo.gl/photos/xUcHGp5B9triKSNC8
From what I can tell, the image generated from the RAW capture has better color reproduction.
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I managed to try out the RAW capture functionality of the camera.
Here is the unprocessed TIFF file, created from a .DNG using dcraw >> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B960wOI9V0CfWGpmRUxicVpLZDg/view?usp=sharing
Here is a jpeg - taken using the 'A Better Camera' app , of the same scene, at pretty much the same time >> https://goo.gl/photos/xUcHGp5B9triKSNC8
From what I can tell, the image generated from the RAW capture has better color reproduction.
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What camera app are you using to get RAW captures?
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What camera app are you using to get RAW captures?
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This one --> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=troop.com.freedcam&hl=en
is there any apps that can take 50mp pictures like the oppo camera? it uses a trick that takes and stitches various photos into one now thats awesome
Took this shot of the moon using the default camera in manual mode. iso 100, 1/1000. Strangely the exif says the aperture is 2.5 not 2.0 like the specs say.
Using the camera is probably the last thing I use my phone for. I would think that someone would have created a camera app where you can change all the settings you want and save that profile then make as many profiles as you want for various situations.
I do not use my phone as a camera either . Actually I am surprised ( at myself ) why I spent so much time testing it out ! Anyway, I found an app called 'Open Camera' - which seems to have almost all the features I was looking for. It allows me to set ISO and AF-lock - and actually saves those settings between launches. It also has a mode where if it is running and you lock the phone, hitting the power button again brings the camera right back . I find that useful because now I can lock the screen between shots - and still get the camera back relatively quickly. Without that I had to leave the screen on, and I was getting a lot of accidental shots. The UI isn't that great looking, but it is functional.
Here is the link >> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.sourceforge.opencamera&hl=en
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Using the camera is probably the last thing I use my phone for. I would think that someone would have created a camera app where you can change all the settings you want and save that profile then make as many profiles as you want for various situations.
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Pretty sure Camera Zoom FX does what you are talking about. I made it the default camera app. It was free on amazon however at some point or another I purchased it on google play for $0.10. A special promo where a bunch of apps were $0.10 each I think. Anyway might want to check it or camera360 out....opencamera is a nice free open source one (If I remember right).
My primary usage for the camera on my phones is to run the paperkarma app so I can submit junkmail to have my name/address removed from their mailing lists. Has helped to thin the junkmail down over time.
I haven't used the camera too much but I am not disappointed in it so far. For the price, I can't complain. It seems to take the pics fairly quickly which is a good thing.
open camera is also good ive tried it and no problems for me
Has anyone found ANY camera app that allows you to save the pics to the SD card? I've tried a bunch yet they all complain that KK(!) doesn't allow saving to SD card YET the stock camera app does allow it.
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Has anyone found ANY camera app that allows you to save the pics to the SD card? I've tried a bunch yet they all complain that KK(!) doesn't allow saving to SD card YET the stock camera app does allow it.
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In my case - both 'A Better Camera' and 'Open Camera' were unable to save to the external micro SD. It does not bother me, because it is probably better for the camera to write directly to internal storage , in the interest of speed. I can always move those files using ES File Explorer - or by plugging the phone in.
ISO_HJR
I think I found another trick that can help the picture quality with the Camera. The 'Open Camera' app supports an ISO setting called 'ISO_HJR' - HJR stands for Hand Jitter Reduction, and it is Google's way of bumping up the ISO while keeping the shutter fast, to prevent blur due to shake. I used that to take some picture under overcast conditions today, and I was pleasantly surprised with the results. The exif on the pictures say that the ISO is bumped upwards of 400 - but the picture does not appear to be too grainy . I am not sure what exactly is going on , but this seems like a good option to use.
Also 'Open Camera' allows me to save with a JPEG compression of 100% - This results in 8MB+ files for each picture .
Is it me or does the manual camera mode goes into auto exposure lock (AEL) whenever you manually choose the ISO?
So whenever ISO is changed, shutter speed also needs to be changed manually to get the right exposure. How dumb.
Has anyone noticed this? Hopefully I'm missing something here as this is really bad if it's by design.
Few other gripes:
1. No metering modes? (such as centre weighted, matrix, spot etc)
2. No focus mode? (face detect, fixed centre point, tracking etc)
3. It keeps the previous manual exposure setting even when you exit the camera app. (good & bad. maybe should have a setting to auto-reset)
4. No JPG compression setting.
5. No sharpening level setting.
6. No color setting. (dynamic, natural etc)
Whoever designed this camera app's manual mode certainly isn't that much into photography I reckon.
sounds like how an slr works in manual mode.
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sounds like how an slr works in manual mode.
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All DSLR's have Program, Aperture & Shutter priority modes as well.
Many phones have full auto exposure even with manual ISO set also.
G4 only has full auto & full manual exposure. Nothing inbetween.
Ummm....sounds like you bought this phone expecting a full DSLR suite of options. It's a smartphone, you won't get ALL those features. It still has far more than any other flagship.
Also, if the AE Lock isn't on when you change the ISO, it's going to auto adjust the exposure, which will mess up your settings, removing the manual aspect.
http://www.cameradebate.com/2015/lg-g4-camera-full-manual-mode-guide/
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Ummm....sounds like you bought this phone expecting a full DSLR suite of options. It's a smartphone, you won't get ALL those features. It still has far more than any other flagship.
Also, if the AE Lock isn't on when you change the ISO, it's going to auto adjust the exposure, which will mess up your settings, removing the manual aspect.
http://www.cameradebate.com/2015/lg-g4-camera-full-manual-mode-guide/
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I used to be a photographer, still am but not for money unless I get called for a job at a wedding studio etc.
So yeah, I know my way around photography. Whoever created this advanced manual mode didn't really go far enough IMO. The can, they just didn't.
I just expected the camera app to be at least as smart as previous/current phones that could already do what I stated about the ISO & auto exposure.
Yes, it's great to have full manual mode at least. But that's an extremity that even many pro's do not utilize often. Even more so on a mobile phone. =p
Whole point of changing ISO is to allow either having a varied-noise IQ or faster shutter speed. It's VERY handy when paired with auto-exposure.
e.g. You can "fix" the ISO at 200, and expect it to have low shutter speed but cleaner photos for every shot.
or fix it at its max of ISO 2700 to force the auto exposure to always give me the fastest shutter speed for a given lighting condition.
(Right now, G4 doesn't even use its max ISO of 2700 in auto exposure mode. It's limited to 2000 unless you manually set 2700.)
Heck, even the old Galaxy series, old Symbian Nokia phones had multiple metering modes & auto exposure with manual ISO.
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So whenever ISO is changed, shutter speed also needs to be changed manually to get the right exposure. How dumb.
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Yes, it's great to have full manual mode at least. But that's an extremity that even many pro's do not utilize often. Even more so on a mobile phone. =p
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It's manual mode - you need to adjust everything yourself. Why is this a bad thing?
It has full auto and full manual. They can't cater for every mode that comes with a DSLR camera.
If it didn't have full manual mode, then people would complain about that too.
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It's manual mode - you need to adjust everything yourself. Why is this a bad thing?
It has full auto and full manual. They can't cater for every mode that comes with a DSLR camera.
If it didn't have full manual mode, then people would complain about that too.
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99% of the phones don't come with full manual mode for a reason.
On the G4, Simple is too simple and Auto mode is still too simple. Only can control the flash on/off pretty much.
So the only way to even go close to the iPhone's camera app (for EV Comp) is to go to the MANUAL mode.
Now in this mode, it's definitely better than the iPhone or Google Camera app. But to the majority, not by much.
I bought the phone expecting to use the ISO & EV Comp. But now I find that ISO is useless. (I'm sure for many)
Surely, they could have made the camera UI /UX at least work similar to normal cameras?
It's not like they have to really invent the camera UI. Digital cameras beeen around for 15+ years. (My first DSLR was back in 2001 - Canon EOS D30)
Especially more so when LG is boasting so much about its camera.
I just wonder what the camera development team was thinking... =<
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But now I find that ISO is useless. (I'm sure for many)
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I don't see why you say ISO is useless? it sounds like you want all the features, but don't want to have to do all the work setting up everything else?
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Is it me or does the manual camera mode goes into auto exposure lock (AEL) whenever you manually choose the ISO?
So whenever ISO is changed, shutter speed also needs to be changed manually to get the right exposure. How dumb.
Has anyone noticed this? Hopefully I'm missing something here as this is really bad if it's by design.
Few other gripes:
1. No metering modes? (such as centre weighted, matrix, spot etc)
2. No focus mode? (face detect, fixed centre point, tracking etc)
3. It keeps the previous manual exposure setting even when you exit the camera app. (good & bad. maybe should have a setting to auto-reset)
4. No JPG compression setting.
5. No sharpening level setting.
6. No color setting. (dynamic, natural etc)
Whoever designed this camera app's manual mode certainly isn't that much into photography I reckon.
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1. This is what manual exposure is for.
2. This is what manual focus is for.
3. Ok? So what?
4. RAW.
5. This is a concern of post-editing
6. This is also a post-editing concern.
If there's anyone who isn't knowledgeable about photography, it would be you.
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I don't see why you say ISO is useless? it sounds like you want all the features, but don't want to have to do all the work setting up everything else?
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How ISO is implemented in G4 is nearly useless for my pattern of usage.
As lens aperture is fixed, the only exposure variable is shutter speed & ISO.
Forcing a user to "always" set both manually for each shot is really unnecessary.
I basically want ISO priority which so many other phones & cameras all do.
Well, considering the G3 didn't even have ISO setting, I guess it's a big step up. =p
It just annoys me that they didn't put more love into it when they could have.
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Is it me or does the manual camera mode goes into auto exposure lock (AEL) whenever you manually choose the ISO?
So whenever ISO is changed, shutter speed also needs to be changed manually to get the right exposure. How dumb.
Has anyone noticed this? Hopefully I'm missing something here as this is really bad if it's by design.
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AEL is settable i thought. What happens when you toggle it.
Is exp comp useful ? this should move both.
On the K zoom, when you enter manual mode, both ISO & shutter have to be set. However in program mode, i just use leave ISO & shutter on auto and tweak exp either way. This is the most common use i have. In certain situations its helpful to disassociate iso from shutter in manual.
Few other gripes:
1. No metering modes? (such as centre weighted, matrix, spot etc)
2. No focus mode? (face detect, fixed centre point, tracking etc)
3. It keeps the previous manual exposure setting even when you exit the camera app. (good & bad. maybe should have a setting to auto-reset)
4. No JPG compression setting.
5. No sharpening level setting.
6. No color setting. (dynamic, natural etc)
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1. default is centre weighted. no options here. Its odd for a rumoured sony sensor as samsung, sony have them. Don't think LG has ever offered metering modes. Missing in the G2/G3. The only modes that are useful are multi and CW. CW gives the clearest shot, multi i find adds a bit of haze but is useful with evening exposure outdoors especially when there is a big difference with sky and foreground. The workaround is to ensure yourself that isn't there ie have the sun behind you rather than off to the side otherwise you end up with silhouettes or blowing out the sky. Spot is niche, macros or when you have full control of lighting. In raw files metering indicated is spot.
2. no but face detect does something in the background. No smile shutter though.
3. reset settings before closing the camera.
4. its set to best, curious why you want this because whenever i'm offered a choice i've always set to superfine at the start and left it at that.
5, 6 you will either have to use raw or in post process the jpegs.
G4 is camera2api compliant, so hopefully 3rd party cameras should work more reliably. Keep an eye out for camera fv-5. Though it will take some work to get it to work with the G4 by the developer.
Whole point of changing ISO is to allow either having a varied-noise IQ or faster shutter speed. It's VERY handy when paired with auto-exposure.
e.g. You can "fix" the ISO at 200, and expect it to have low shutter speed but cleaner photos for every shot.
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Agree. Have seen variations on this. eg on the m9 setting ISO works as an up to, meaning it won't exceed the setting but will use a lower if possible. This is the only device i've seen that behaves this way. Otherwise. setting an ISO means all shots come with that ISO and that one only. I find setting ISO in this case limited and only when auto gets it wrong and uses a very high ISO. from the numerous G4 samples i've seen the G4 seems to be getting the ISO right in auto. You would only need to tweak it for slow shutter shots.
or fix it at its max of ISO 2700 to force the auto exposure to always give me the fastest shutter speed for a given lighting condition.
(Right now, G4 doesn't even use its max ISO of 2700 in auto exposure mode. It's limited to 2000 unless you manually set 2700.)
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Is it not possible to just set the shutter to what you want and let ISO pick what ever ?
Whoever designed this camera app's manual mode certainly isn't that much into photography I reckon.
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Let's see what the next firmware update brings. its a good start, hopefully it becomes more user friendly in the future. It was quite a surprise to see a manual interface like this given the predecessor had no manual settings whatsoever. A step back from the G2, even the crippled stock iphone camera allowed more..(!)
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Ummm....what?
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Ummm....what?
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Tap-hold- locked exposure on the iphone. Changed its metering as well. the iphone camera to me is a crippled camera because you cant set much on it at all.
the g3 took away options available on the G2. no way to fix anything, AUTO everything.
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1. This is what manual exposure is for.
2. This is what manual focus is for.
3. Ok? So what?
4. RAW.
5. This is a concern of post-editing
6. This is also a post-editing concern.
If there's anyone who isn't knowledgeable about photography, it would be you.
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1. Auto-exposure is much faster as you know. A good photographer doesn't need to rely on manual exposure.
2. Auto-focus is faster and more accurate (especially with no focus peaking etc) in majority of usage scenarios.
3. If you used it often, then you'll know why it can become annoying. or maybe not.
4. Yes, I do shoot RAW already from day 1. But not everyone else I assume.
5. It would be 1 less thing post edit if the setting was there. This is not a major gripe. Just something which could be nice to have.
6. It would be 1 less thing post edit if the setting was there. This is not a major gripe. Just something which could be nice to have
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2. Auto-focus is faster and more accurate (especially with no focus peaking etc) in majority of usage scenarios.
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There are times it can misfocus and get the background in focus instead of the subject. So check your shots. it should get it right most of the time but not every time.
3. If you used it often, then you'll know why it can become annoying. or maybe not.
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Every camera has its quirks. annoying ones. the most intuitive interface i've seen is on the k zoom. you would have thought samsung would have used it in their following flagships. No! the note 4 was a stripped down version and the s6 went in anothe direction.
5. It would be 1 less thing post edit if the setting was there. This is not a major gripe. Just something which could be nice to have.
6. It would be 1 less thing post edit if the setting was there. This is not a major gripe. Just something which could be nice to have
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Only devices i know that have this are the m9 where its an issue because it over sharpens by default and you need to set it one notch above no sharpening. And the k zoom. No other device has these tweaks in camera. The lumia users were also griping about its absence.
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AEL is settable i thought. What happens when you toggle it.
Is exp comp useful ? this should move both.
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AEL can be toggled off. But then it goes back into full auto-exposure for both ISO & Shutter.
EV comp is useful as always at least. So this is a big improvement over the previous G3 etc.
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Agree. Have seen variations on this. eg on the m9 setting ISO works as an up to, meaning it won't exceed the setting but will use a lower if possible. This is the only device i've seen that behaves this way. Otherwise. setting an ISO means all shots come with that ISO and that one only. I find setting ISO in this case limited and only when auto gets it wrong and uses a very high ISO. from the numerous G4 samples i've seen the G4 seems to be getting the ISO right in auto. You would only need to tweak it for slow shutter shots.
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This G4 is also the only device to act this way of all the cameras & phones I've owned. (too many to count)
Auto ISO is good enough in most scenarios. But yeah, there are times when I do want to fix the ISO only.
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Is it not possible to just set the shutter to what you want and let ISO pick what ever ?
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No. That's not possible. Soon as you se the shutter, AE-L gets set and so it fixes the ISO also.
When you click on the AE-L to disengage it, it resets both ISO & shutter back to automatic.
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Let's see what the next firmware update brings. its a good start, hopefully it becomes more user friendly in the future. It was quite a surprise to see a manual interface like this given the predecessor had no manual settings whatsoever. A step back from the G2, even the crippled stock iphone camera allowed more..(!)
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I agree that it's a great start. I hope LG spends a bit more time on it.
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Every camera has its quirks. annoying ones. the most intuitive interface i've seen is on the k zoom. you would have thought samsung would have used it in their following flagships. No! the note 4 was a stripped down version and the s6 went in anothe direction.
Only devices i know that have this are the m9 where its an issue because it over sharpens by default and you need to set it one notch above no sharpening. And the k zoom. No other device has these tweaks in camera. The lumia users were also griping about its absence.
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Yeah, it's amazing that the manufacturers actually cripple these camera interfaces when it should by now be very close to digital cameras.
It's the Apple's affect I call it. They made it simple and now every other company is dumbing down their phones also.
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They made it simple and now every other company is dumbing down their phones also.
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So now you're saying it's been made too simple? But the original issue is, it's not simple enough for you.
Hey guys, I have an old LG G3 mobile, I am fed up with this. I heard about a product calles intelmobi, to install it I have to root my mobile. Sould I do this?
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No. That's not possible. Soon as you se the shutter, AE-L gets set and so it fixes the ISO also.
When you click on the AE-L to disengage it, it resets both ISO & shutter back to automatic..
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Damn it!
When i saw those manual controls i figured you could choose one or more and the rest would take care of themselves
One thing i want to know, is it possible to lock focus. Pick a subject, press shutter to get focus, keep shutter button pressed and recompose, then release the shutter to take the shot.
or does keeping you finger pressed on the shutter button take the shot and nothing more.
That is AE-L without having AE-L on other phones. Quick and works in auto.
I was up until 430 am last night trying different configs and Gcam APKs and the best I can do was using 6.1 or 6.2. No crashes but these 3 problems are present in every APK I tried so if there's anyone that has an APK that works for these, would love to hear it.
Problems:
1) Camera takes first picture quite fast. 2nd picture is slightly slower. 3rd and beyond is unbelievably slow. Slower than Night Sight. You can tell that the picture is being taken all at the same rate because the picture is showing up in the Gallery Icon, but the viewfinder is just loading and hanging.
What is the reason for this? (HDR Enhance is NOT on)
2) Turn off HDR+ and camera button doesn't even work. It works in Portrait and video but not in regular camera mode.
3) If I switch Cameras or modes (From regular camera to wide... or regular camera to Portrait and then back to regular) then it will take the picture fast. Which means that it's a software issue of lagging. Almost like it's lagging or having problems clearing memories while taking consecutive pictures?
Night Sight and actual photos look GREAT. Which is why it's pissing me off. The VG35 is a godly phone I just bought and I love everything about it. But the camera is lacking. And having a somewhat partially working gcam app just teases me that the picture could be better but isn't. The camera itself is good it's just the software that isn't so great.
LG's stock camera app puts on a lot of sharpness everything gets so blurry.
Any FULLY working apks out there that don't have issues with lag when taking pictures?
UPDATE: I tried cstark and a few others but the one that works for me fully (Night Sight, portrait, wide lens, correct colors, etc) is Arnova 1.7 here
https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/dev-suggested/#apk411
Arnova 1.6 also works.
So I managed to fidget with all the settings and basically... here is an update. AS IS, the Gcam with Arnova takes 2 pictures at regular speed. The 3rd picture on, it will show the circle and lag, taking about 5 full seconds to complete a picture. (There are other people on reddit who confirmed this) If you change the camera view in any way, OR press the home button and come back to camera, it resets allowing you take 2 more pictures at normal rates before it starts to slow down again.
By reducing HDR frame from 7 to 3, it allows you to take about 5 pictures before the slow down happens. So, it's not ideal but a workaround is to just take 5 pictures and press "portrait" and then come back to regular camera and it should allow for 5 more pictures at the regular rate.
HDR off also does not allow the camera to take a picture.
But that being said, does anyone know WHY it's happening? I don't know much about how android and the camera works but if we can figure out why the loading circle starts to slow down after a certain # of pictures, and WHY it resets when you change the camera view for a split second... I'd be happy to contribute in any way I can to get a fully useable Gcam app for us. V35s are so underrated with the High Quality Dac and if we get fully working Gcam, it would be a massive upgrade for anyone with a V35.
The pictures with Gcam are no joke.
The reasons for why the Gcam can only take a few pictures before it starts to load in the viewfinder very slowly, and why it resets when you "refresh" the camera view:
(These are complete uneducated guess but using logic based on what I'm been testing)
- It's not related to HDR. There was 1 apk that allowed me to take pictures with HDR off and it still did it.
I thought it was the HDR processing in the background that was queueing up but that's not the case.
- Changing camera view and switching back, RESETS this problem. Is there some sort of memory that needs to be cleared in the camera after each picture? Or after each # of pictures you can set that might address this problem?
There was another APK that I used that had the ability to increase the memory and it didn't do anything.
- I have a feeling it might be related to the buffer fix issue. The buffer fix, fixed the lag in the view finder. However, after taking a few pictures and hitting the limit, you can tell the loading circle will start to slow down because the viewfinder for a split second will lag as if the buffer fix was turned off.
So, maybe buffer fix is being reset or paused after a few pictures?
I wish I knew more about this stuff but if anyone has any ideas, would be great.
I read somewhere that the LG V35 and the G7 have similar cameras.
Check the G7 gcam thread for more info and assistance
https://forum.xda-developers.com/lg...oogle-camera-gcam-lg-g7-thinq-t3855081/page49
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I read somewhere that the LG V35 and the G7 have similar cameras.
Check the G7 gcam thread for more info and assistance
https://forum.xda-developers.com/lg...oogle-camera-gcam-lg-g7-thinq-t3855081/page49
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Thank you Ill check out that thread
Thanks destoyer67, I was able to get a better Gcam situation using that link.
Gcam_6.2.030_Advanced_BF_V2.2.2beta2.190904.1817
from https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/dev-arnova8G2-beta/#apk1121
This is the one that works very well. There is .a work around for the camera shutter loading really slow after 2 pictures.. and that is the setting called Reinit for HDR+. Just turn it on and after every time you take a picture, your camera and viewfinder will reinitialize and blink for a split second. Every picture taken is fast. You just have to wait a full second in between pictures or so.
Its way better and more useable and waiting 6 seconds for each picture.
Night Sight works without ANY lag, so does portrait, wide angle, etc.
Things that do not work at all:
- HDR Off mode
- Flash (goes off doesnt take a picture)
This is a useable version for me.
I also also narrow down and say the shutter loading slow is caused by something in the "buffer fix" setting. If you turn off buffer fix, the camera will take a picture INSTANTLY. Like the stock LG cam. However, the viewfinder has that crazy lag so you cant see what you're taking a picture of.
i tried above but when its low light it freezes. i'm on at&t v350 /w PIE (20c)
kettlecorn said:
Thanks destoyer67, I was able to get a better Gcam situation using that link.
Gcam_6.2.030_Advanced_BF_V2.2.2beta2.190904.1817
from https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/dev-arnova8G2-beta/#apk1121
This is the one that works very well. There is .a work around for the camera shutter loading really slow after 2 pictures.. and that is the setting called Reinit for HDR+. Just turn it on and after every time you take a picture, your camera and viewfinder will reinitialize and blink for a split second. Every picture taken is fast. You just have to wait a full second in between pictures or so.
Its way better and more useable and waiting 6 seconds for each picture.
Night Sight works without ANY lag, so does portrait, wide angle, etc.
Things that do not work at all:
- HDR Off mode
- Flash (goes off doesnt take a picture)
This is a useable version for me.
I also also narrow down and say the shutter loading slow is caused by something in the "buffer fix" setting. If you turn off buffer fix, the camera will take a picture INSTANTLY. Like the stock LG cam. However, the viewfinder has that crazy lag so you cant see what you're taking a picture of.
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Are you on Pie or Oreo?
Mine's on Pie(20s) and everything works relatively well except for images taken with the wide angle lens: the red and blue color channels seem to be swapped, making photos looking weird.
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Are you on Pie or Oreo?
Mine's on Pie(20s) and everything works relatively well except for images taken with the wide angle lens: the red and blue color channels seem to be swapped, making photos looking weird.
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I'm having the same issue. Is there a fix for this? Tried playing around with the settings but couldn't land on a solution.
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I'm having the same issue. Is there a fix for this? Tried playing around with the settings but couldn't land on a solution.
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OK, so I spent all day trying a bunch of versions, and finally found the one version that can get rid of the color issue and the lag between shots. Here it is:
https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/dev-arnova8G2-beta/#apk1114
With this one, make sure to enable both the "Use Restart for AUX Mod" and "Use Reinit for HDR+" settings in the "HDR+ control" menu. Make sure to enable the AUX button as well, and disable Google photos. You'll see the screen go black a little bit after taking a photo, and then you can take another one and switch cameras. When you switch cameras, it reinits the camera app, which gets rid of the channel swap issue. For some reason the other version that was linked has an issue when both these settings are enabled, but it works great with this version.
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OK, so I spent all day trying a bunch of versions, and finally found the one version that can get rid of the color issue and the lag between shots. Here it is:
https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/dev-arnova8G2-beta/#apk1114
With this one, make sure to enable both the "Use Restart for AUX Mod" and "Use Reinit for HDR+" settings in the "HDR+ control" menu. Make sure to enable the AUX button as well, and disable Google photos. You'll see the screen go black a little bit after taking a photo, and then you can take another one and switch cameras. When you switch cameras, it reinits the camera app, which gets rid of the channel swap issue. For some reason the other version that was linked has an issue when both these settings are enabled, but it works great with this version.
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Glad someone finally found the right one, but the link you gave us only leads to a list of many gcam apks, which one exactly did you mean? Also, by disabling google photos, you mean that we have to disable it completely or just disable it somehow from gcam?
The version that I linked to blinks when you first open the page. It's V2.2.1.190831.2245-fix-2. As far as disabling Google photos, it's a setting inside the camera app that uses Google photos as the viewer when you look at the photo you just took. However, this integration doesn't work, so disable that so it uses the built in viewer. You'll also need to go to the About screen in settings and turn on advanced options to see most of the settings I've listed.
Thanks! It really works great, taking pictures is fast and even night mode is quick.
Good job on finding this
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Are you on Pie or Oreo?
Mine's on Pie(20s) and everything works relatively well except for images taken with the wide angle lens: the red and blue color channels seem to be swapped, making photos looking weird.
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I am having the same issue. Wide angle photos are totally blue. Other than that it works great!!
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kettlecorn said:
I am having the same issue. Wide angle photos are totally blue. Other than that it works great!!
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Hello,
I have found this version works on the V35.... Gcam_6.2.030_Advanced_BF_V2.2.1.190831.2245-fix2.apk. Wide Angle, Regular, Night Sight. However getting the white balance just right for both indoors and outdoors is not easy, so I I actually use a dual install combo for slightly better results:
OUTDOORS/Regular - Gcam_6.1.021_Advanced_BF_V1.6-Fu24_5Lens-02.apk - With this version I can customize sharpness without loading custom libs, etc. White balance is yellow indoors, and Night Sight has buffer problems so I don't use it.
INDOORS/Night Sight - Gcam_6.2.030_Advanced_BF_V2.2.1.190822.1145.apk - This version does well indoors with Night Sight... outdoor photos are pinkish however
You *should* be able to install both these versions without overwriting each other...
Here is a link to more conversation (G7 forum)...
https://forum.xda-developers.com/lg...gcam-lg-g7-thinq-t3855081/page53#post81474127
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Ezzelin said:
OK, so I spent all day trying a bunch of versions, and finally found the one version that can get rid of the color issue and the lag between shots. Here it is:
https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/dev-arnova8G2-beta/#apk1114
With this one, make sure to enable both the "Use Restart for AUX Mod" and "Use Reinit for HDR+" settings in the "HDR+ control" menu. Make sure to enable the AUX button as well, and disable Google photos. You'll see the screen go black a little bit after taking a photo, and then you can take another one and switch cameras. When you switch cameras, it reinits the camera app, which gets rid of the channel swap issue. For some reason the other version that was linked has an issue when both these settings are enabled, but it works great with this version.
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Near as I can tell this works perfect after following the indicated settings. No need for a buffer fix module, it's built in. Night sight works, viewfinder works properly in wide / normal etc etc.
thanks for mentioning it, there are so so many available that *might* work, a daunting task to try them all.
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