A few words about SAR. Phone has body 0.62W/kg and head 0.75W/kg SAR levels.
Info from Carl (admin OPO forum) http://forums.oneplus.net/threads/oneplus-one-what-about-s-a-r-levels.821/#post-289699
I had no idea what this was so I googled it.
WHAT IS SAR AND WHAT IS ALL THE FUSS ABOUT?
SAR (specific absorption rate) is an indication of the amount of radiation that is absorbed into a head whilst using a cellular phone, the higher the SAR rating the more radiation that is absorbed into the head.
SPECIFIC ABSORPTION RATE (SAR)
A SAR value is a measure of the maximum energy absorbed by a unit of mass of exposed tissue of a person using a mobile phone, over a given time or more simply the power absorbed per unit mass. SAR values are usually expressed in units of watts per kilogram (W/kg) in either 1g or 10g of tissue.
EXPOSURE LIMITS
In Europe, the European Council Recommendation 519/1999/EC for exposure guidelines has adopted the recommendations made by the International Commission on Non-Ionising Radiation Protection (ICNIRP Guidelines 1998). In the US, the FCC, Federal Communications Commission, sets the radio frequency safety guidelines that all phones must meet before being sold in the US. Current reference standards and limits (status January 2001).
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I have no idea if this is good or bad? how is it compared to other phones?
I think it's good.
As reference, I looked up the SAR of several phones... Samsung Galaxy SIII i535 (CDMA. VZW) had an overall rating of 1.29 US / 0.88 EU. Note the US and EU measure them differently. The US legal limit is 2.0. The source did not differentiate 'head' or 'body". source: http://sarshield.com/radiation-chart/
They're selling a radiation shield to help prevent exposure and it benefits them to provide lots of information - so take this with a grain of salt. It is very difficult to find comprehensive lists because the manufacturers would rather not have to publish this information. Lots of issues related to radiation exposure potentially causing brain cancer. Kind of like the cigarette manufacturers - smoking didn't cause cancer, no need to worry, nothing to see here, move along.
You make your own choices...
Has anyone the regulatory notice of the device ? In the quick start guide, it is written that can be downloaded from
the zuk.hk website ...
Or we should find it the menu Settings->About the phone->Regulatory notice, but that menu does not exists ...
Does anyone know the official SAR ratings for body & head ?
I would like to know about the SAR too...
I just got the following informations per email from zuk.hk support :
"Max measured SAR value(body-worn): 0.406w/kg @15mm(10g)
Max measured SAR value(head): 0.305W/kg(10g)
Max reported SAR value on simultanenous transmission: 0.504(10g)"
I am now waiting for the regulatory notice for Europe.
Does someone in the USA have the regulatory notice with the FCC certification. Device should also have an FCC ID in that country.
If you sell a smartphone in EU, you need SAR under 1,5 W/kg.
No metal uniybody means good SAR, like Galaxy S4, S5, Note 3....
It is sure that plastic is better than aluminium (Faraday effect), but there are also phones
made completely with plastic and with high SAR : the Alcatel OneTouch Idol 3 (4.7") has a SAR (EU) of 1.277W/kg (head) and 0.659W/kg (body) ...
*#07# should work to get the SAR of the phone, but it does
Not work
Help me decide!!!
HONOR CONS/PROS
+Great Deal - 399 + 50 Gift Card + Case + JBL BT Headset
+Great Camera
+Better CPU
+Faster Finger Print Reader
-Less Storage
-Less Resolution
-Smaller Screen
http://www.antutu.com/static/attachment/articles/201608/18105556-content.png
Well, take a look at this. The Honor 8 with the Kirin 950 scores around 89k on Antutu. That's not even visible on this chart vs the Axon 7.
Camera is definitely better than Axon 7.
Audio, Axon 7 no contest.
The size, it's a preference. I prefer bigger screen with Android 7 Nouget the multiscreen favors bigger displays.
As for price, I don't like all these giveways. Just make the device $299 without giveaways please.
Asking in this forum, where we're all waiting for the Honor 8 seems a bit silly, hardly an unbiased opinion to be seen
chpimentelpr said:
Help me decide!!!
HONOR CONS/PROS
+Great Deal - 399 + 50 Gift Card + Case + JBL BT Headset
+Great Camera
+Better CPU
+Faster Finger Print Reader
-Less Storage
-Less Resolution
-Smaller Screen
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The CPU might be better, but the GPU on the Honor 8 is significantly worse.
Right, but there's no better place to get real feedback from real axon users. ? I order mine from Newegg... Will need to wait a bit to received it. Thanks all for the feedback is well appreciated.
chpimentelpr said:
Right, but there's no better place to get real feedback from real axon users. �� I order mine from Newegg... Will need to wait a bit to received it. Thanks all for the feedback is well appreciated.
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But the one thing you do need to remember is that the feedback is from all over the world. There seems to be some differences in software from region to region.
This has led to mixed reviews.
Personally, I have the Chinese 4gb, 128gb Axon 7. It works fine and things that the US users complain about the software seems to work fine on mine. I seem to have a few extra options that they don't but then again they can unlock the bootloader.
Now that I can get root access it is a bit better but is still locked down. I do worry that the next OTA to improve the software and fix bugs will, of course, loose me root....
This may give you some insight.
https://youtu.be/y0fHGJY-vFE
For me it's the Axon 7. I like the bigger res screen, the upcoming daydream compatibility and superior audio and non-Apple like OS.
The Honor 8 dies seem to have a better camera, but I can live with that. Plus I have an LG G5 for when I want photos.
You just have to decide which features are more important to you.
chpimentelpr said:
Help me decide!!!
HONOR CONS/PROS
+Great Deal - 399 + 50 Gift Card + Case + JBL BT Headset
+Great Camera
+Better CPU
+Faster Finger Print Reader
-Less Storage
-Less Resolution
-Smaller Screen
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I had Honor 7 with the same SoC and I can tell you that it is really good enough, fast, no heating, good battery. And so is SD820 of Axon 7. Huawei has promised 2 years full support and upgrade for new phones and the new EMUI 5 wil be allegedly more close to stock. And even now you have third party themes which change that ugly apple look of Huawei phones.
But I'm still on for Axon 7. The fact is that everything but camera is better. Display, audio, design, rooting option... Even for camera you can't really tell that Honor's is better. It's dual but there is no Leica behind it as for P9.
As I see from my past experience, the software of Honor 8 will work without any issues and this is the only real advantage of Honor. I still have confidence in ZTE, I believe that it will solve software issues soon. Otherwise I would rather wait for Mate 9, which really supposed to be a killer phone.
It doesn't have a better CPU. The GPU on the Honor 8 is worse. The Honor 8 is going to be dead as far as development goes. The screen is worse, the audio is definitely going to be sub par. How fast does a finger print scanner really need to be? From what I can see it's USB C but at 2.0 speeds unlike the Axon which is USB C 3.0. The Honor 8 doesn't have Gorilla Glass. Also one of the biggest negatives for me is that it doesn't have Quick Charge 3.0. It has quick charging but it doesn't use the quick charge standard. It uses something called Smart Power 4.0 and after a Google search only thing I can find is something from Elgato and I don't think that's it so it's most likely proprietary.
In my view being the same exact price I don't see a single reason to go with the Honor 8. It has like nothing going for it over the Axon 7 except the camera. If the camera is that important to you then go for it but aren't there better options in the camera department anyway?
Kinda a silly question to ask since I doubt any users here own both phones.
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What's more important to you as a user? Better camera = Honor 8. Better sound = Axon 7.
I"m pretty pleased with my Axon 7 so far. It's great for music and games, for example.
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Kinda a silly question to ask since I doubt any users here own both phones.
Sent from my ZTE A2017U using XDA-Developers mobile app
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Your comment is silly... and not productive at all... I just want hear feedback. Thanks all for the inpt well appritiated.
chpimentelpr said:
Help me decide!!!
HONOR CONS/PROS
+Great Deal - 399 + 50 Gift Card + Case + JBL BT Headset
+Great Camera
+Better CPU
+Faster Finger Print Reader
-Less Storage
-Less Resolution
-Smaller Screen
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This is something more of a personal preference. The Honor 8 is undeniably a beautiful phone. So if the glass look is something you prefer, go for it. With that said, it has a lower resolution LCD screen, a weaker GPU and CPU. The Kirin 950 is NO match for the Snapdragon 820 with Adreno 530. The Snapdragon is a better CPU scoring higher performance on Geekbench per core (around 2300 single core). The only reason the Kirin appears to score higher on the multicore is because it is an octacore (8 vs 4). It also has less on board storage at the base price (32GB vs 64GB). These are minor differences that come down to personal preference.
If a larger, superior screen with better sound matter to you, the Axon 7 is a no brainer. Huawei is more developer friendly though. The Honor 8 also has a superior camera, although I believe that the Axon 7 is an update away from having a really good camera. My personal preference would be the Axon 7 for the metal unibody design and superior specs.
chpimentelpr said:
Help me decide!!!
HONOR CONS/PROS
+Great Deal - 399 + 50 Gift Card + Case + JBL BT Headset
+Great Camera
+Better CPU
+Faster Finger Print Reader
-Less Storage
-Less Resolution
-Smaller Screen
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OK, so this is interesting. I am so tired of when it comes time for me to buy a phone that I only have the time in the store or reading reviews to decide what I want to buy. Now that I'm older and can afford the hit on my credit card, I went out and bought both the Honor 8 and Axon 7 to have side by side for a week to see what I'd like more. I'll return the one I don't like.
Background - I travel for a living.. usually 4-6 hops (flights) a week. Always on the go. My biggest frustrations are: bad sound quality, bad camera quality and bad performance. Up until early last year I always had those problems. The LG V10 came out and solved all that. Absolutely amazing camera (see below), unbelievable sound quality (again see below) and performance was the best you could get (at that time).
Sound - I'm using my LG V10 as a benchmark to compare. I carry two sets of headphones. Westone W4r's (4 driver IEM's) and a pair of B&O H6 over ears. As everyone knows, the V10 has two DACs. One is the SOC DAC (Snapdragon 808) that's just average. Then there's the ESS DAC (that you can switch on the fly). But one real neat feature that no phone has ever had (other than the V20) is gain adjustment. Actual hardware gain. Meaning, if you use a short pigtail (male 3.5mm to female 3.5mm) and plug that in first, then plug your headphones in, you get a significant boost in gain to support higher impedance headphones. That being said, I will be using only the ESS DAC audio out for this section. The Honor 8 does a respectable job. I'm impressed with the volume, but nowhere near the high impedance mode of the V10. I would need to always carry my Fiio E6 headphone amp for traveling in flight. The ZTE Axon 7 seemed to have a lot of crosstalk.. meaning the sound stage seemed narrow. The volume output as nominal, but nothing to write home about. Again, I'd have to carry the Fiio E6. If you ask me why I don't talk about equalization or bass/treble response of the phones, is because this is subjective. Anyone can install an app like Neutron, PowerAmp or even a root app like Viper4Android to modify that. My last comment will be on the noise floor. It's breathtakingly low on the ESS of the V10. It's very low on the Honor 8, and it's a little higher with the AKG DAC on the Axon 7. Particularly with high dynamic tracks coming from artists like Orbital, Bob Moses, Autchre and the likes. I just wasn't as impressed with the noise floor as I was on the V10. Most reviews like you'll see in gsmarena state what I just said with numbers, and it shows.
Camera - There's simply nothing I can complain about on the V10. All cameras were tested hand held in auto mode (because.. 90% of the time you take these photos while you're moving, not with a 4' tripod and a chair to capture the perfect moment). I sit at my desk and took a photo across a dim lit room of my wife's desk chair. You can see the stitching in the leather edges. Camera did a great job of keeping noise to a minimum. With the Honor 8, the stitching is nearly gone. The ZTE, it's not even visible. In daylight pictures, the Honor 8 rivals the V10's camera as far as sharpness goes. The ZTE did an ok job as well, and sharpness was right up there. Maybe a touch more crisp. Color reproduction, the V10 seems dull and I find myself using Adobe Photoshop Express in Android correcting this. I never had an issue on the Honor 8. The ZTE, things were actually too vivid and over saturated. Response time (for shutter) is only average for the V10. The Honor 8 was a bit more speedy, and the ZTE was VERY quick. Night shots turned that around 180 degrees. The V10 takes AMAZING PHOTOS at night. (This is probably why they put the same sensor in the LG G5). It's quick to focus and just astounding in the detail it can pick up. The Honor 8 was more of an 'average' smartphone experience when it comes to night shot shutter speeds. The ZTE always had problems focusing on whatever you'd select. Therefore, the time to take a photo was much longer with this phone.
Performance - No one actually ever says anything about the day to day use of your phone. How often they have to clear their apps, how long they can go before things start bogging down, or for guys like me that juggle a lot of apps while on the go, while always checking for my bulging wallet that carries my spare battery for my V10. I usually have these apps open on a normal travel day: Hangouts, Delta, IHG, National Car, Google Keep, Google Maps (With location on, wifi off), music player (typically stock - I used to use Shuttle+, but it has issues with the latest update) (with Bluetooth on - to connect to my rental), Viper4Android, Chrome with 4-10 tabs open, the stock Camera and mobile hotspot (with the limit turned off so it's always on - if you turn the beacon feature off so the SSID is hidden, the power draw while it stays on is negligible when you consider the fact that as soon as you open your laptop it connects instantly). Those are my go to apps and the ones I switch back and forth to hundreds of times per day. With the V10, there are times when the navigation buttons literally get 'stuck' on the screen and I have to do this shuffle of power cycling the screen and fingerprint scans before the phone comes to life, which ultimately forces me to do a battery pull. The Honor 8 was snappy. Never had those issues at all in the week I had it. In fact, it seemed like app switching was just as fast as any other flagship you'd expect. If you don't do any gaming (and I don't) then the GPU 'rating' on Antutu and any other benchmark means absolutely nothing to this phone. On the ZTE, everything was stellar. Simply an unbeatable combination of top notch cpu performance and gpu (no lag with the gui - not even a stutter that you could visually see). I've done two factory resets with the V10 and the facts remain.. if I put those core apps back on and use them, I eventually have these problems again in a matter of days.
Battery Life - With the V10, I use my phone a lot. Wifi is always off, GPS always on, BT always on, Screen usually around 50-75% and I only clear my apps 1-2 times per day. With the same core apps installed, my V10 gets me through about 6 hours before it's dead. I usually charge 2-3 times per day. Once a week I'll swap with the battery in my wallet to keep both of them equally charged. With the Honor 8 I was blown away by the ability of this phone's multitasking, background battery drain and how well it made it. With the ZTE I was also impressed, but it sure wasn't twice the battery life than the Honor 8. I tell you what, I looked like a damn fool carrying around all three phones always doing the same thing on all three, but honestly, it's the only way to tell. With that being said, the V10 and it's 3,000mah battery lasted me 6 hours, the Honor 8's 3000mah battery was just shy of 8 hours (how ironic) and the ZTE's 3250mah lasted me about 9 hours.
With ALL this being said, you can clearly see why I'm trying to upgrade. Most of you would probably say "well if you like your V10 so much, why don't you just go get a V20??".... and you'd be right. But I HATE the size of the V10. Way too big for a phone and I have large hands (I can palm a basketball). I LOVE the size of the Honor 8. It's all about personal preference. I'm also being forced to upgrade because the Snapdragon 808 in the V10 can't keep up with me anymore.
Pricing - Right now you can buy a LG V10 around $250 as a benchmark. As of this posting, Best Buy has the Honor 8 on sale for $299, which is $100 off the normal price. Plus, they give you a case for free made direct by Huawei, and the case is actually very nice because you can still see the beautiful blue back and buttons work great. The ZTE Axon 7 is on sale at Fry's Electronics for $349 which is $50 off the normal asking price of $399. The LG V20 is $749 at places that even stock the phone, and it's so ridiculously priced that I can't justify it. I am honestly torn and have no idea what I should do. I spent all this time writing this post and I just get more frustrated each time. I eventually returned both the Honor 8 and ZTE thinking that I'd give the Oneplus 3T a shot, but after all the horrible reviews of their customer service and how they've been out of stock for over a month now, I've completely written them off. It's not a flagship killer if you can't even buy the damn thing. Why can't they make a phone with the same or better camera than the V10 (particularly in low light performance), as good or better audio gain as the V10's high impedance mode (because seriously, why limit the voltage out so much????), and have great performance in line with flagships? There is always a catch - if you look hard enough. My opinion the Achilles heel for the V10 is performance, the Honor 8 is volume gain and the ZTE's is low light camera performance. You need to decide what you can live without, aside from the physical dimensions.
My review here didn't help me, but I'm hoping it helps you. If you have any questions, please feel free to ask and I'll do my best.
Like many said, I prefer the Axon 7 by far. Superior screen, superior audio, superior CPU/GPU, and most important, QC 3.0 <-- this is really a GREAT advantage. Charges fully the phone in 45mins or less.
Between those two, I would go with the Axon 7. With that being said, after owning the Axon 7 for 3 months now, I wish I would have went with the oneplus 3. I would be giving up some resolution but it would be worth it for the dev. options. Development is a little slow going on the Axon 7.
OnePlus has a proprietary charger as well, like the H8 and that suxx... QuickCharge is available for all the SnapDragon CPUs, and it's really great, so why aren't they using it? I have 3 wall chargers already, one at home, one at work and one in my bag in case, knowing I can recharge my phone in 40 mins, or any other device without worrying if it's compatible or not...
Don't do it bruh. Am using op3 and finds it too simple.. doesn't feel a flagship fone other than speedy os. Display u ll get hatred of it. Audio department especially from 3.5 mm jack is worst I have heard, too flattened and low output.
You will feel iritated of using OnePlus 3 after few months
After spending 400 dollars you will feel what I actually paid for a plain blunt subtle fone that doesn't wows you in any area
ben cherian said:
Don't do it bruh. Am using op3 and finds it too simple.. doesn't feel a flagship fone other than speedy os. Display u ll get hatred of it. Audio department especially from 3.5 mm jack is worst I have heard, too flattened and low output.
You will feel iritated of using OnePlus 3 after few months
After spending 400 dollars you will feel what I actually paid for a plain blunt subtle fone that doesn't wows you in any area
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Dat 5-month bump tho
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Dat 5-month bump tho
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Well did you take then OnePlus 3 ?
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azpatterson3 said:
Between those two, I would go with the Axon 7. With that being said, after owning the Axon 7 for 3 months now, I wish I would have went with the oneplus 3. I would be giving up some resolution but it would be worth it for the dev. options. Development is a little slow going on the Axon 7.
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Did you take OnePlus 3?
Hey,
Comments on the fact this phone has a SAR value of 1.75? which is high
thinking of selling it soon.
zobredas said:
Hey,
Comments on the fact this phone has a SAR value of 1.75? which is high
thinking of selling it soon.
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That' s true that Mi a1 is one with the highest SAR value.
Anyway, take a look to this:
https://www.pcsteps.com/9891-what-is-sar-value-cell-phone-is-it-dangerous/
expecially the chapter "Is a high SAR value dangerous?"
and "Do Chinese phones have a higher SAR value?"
0lorenzo said:
That' s true that Mi a1 is one with the highest SAR value.
Anyway, take a look to this:
https://www.pcsteps.com/9891-what-is-sar-value-cell-phone-is-it-dangerous/
expecially the chapter "Is a high SAR value dangerous?"
and "Do Chinese phones have a higher SAR value?"
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Great article.
Dispite the unknown about what radiation doest to us, especially phone's, it's definily better to have a lower sar value phone..
zobredas said:
Great article.
Dispite the unknown about what radiation doest to us, especially phone's, it's definily better to have a lower sar value phone..
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I agree with you, it is bad to unknown the effects of radiation... What if scientists discover that a 1.0 value is deadly and will cause tumor 100%? We are all f***ed
Enjoy life:fingers-crossed: