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No more slide out qwerty

so I was just wondering how are we going to alt-s or alt-w our androids now that the new ones wont have physical keyboards.

bmnaccounts said:
so I was just wondering how are we going to alt-s or alt-w our androids now that the new ones wont have physical keyboards.
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new recovery images use trackball as well

alapapa said:
new recovery images use trackball as well
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while this is true. It's not gonna be fun when some of us drop down to a console while in recovery mode. (ie. upgrade_fs for upgrading ext2 -> ext3 on cyan's recovery image

The keyboards are multi-touch on the new model

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The keyboards are multi-touch on the new model
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yeah but not in recovery console mode, its gonna suck

dont mean to sound negative... but i read on haykuro's twitter that the Hero has a newer SPL, "perfected" as he calls it, which he says is un-rootable..
we will see how things go with that....
just check the twitter to validate my info

doubleokneegro said:
dont mean to sound negative... but i read on haykuro's twitter that the Hero has a newer SPL, "perfected" as he calls it, which he says is un-rootable..
we will see how things go with that....
just check the twitter to validate my info
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Nothing in unrootable. Maybe it will take longer but I'm pretty sure it will be done. Not taking anything away from Haykuro but yeah nothing is perfect.

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so I was just wondering how are we going to alt-s or alt-w our androids now that the new ones wont have physical keyboards.
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You can use the volume keys to select the option on the recovery screen, then press the trackball button to select that option. You can do this on the G1 or myTouch (Magic).
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The keyboards are multi-touch on the new model
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myTouch does not have multi-touch, though with that kind of name you'd expect it to...

i did not know that about the volume keys good to know.
and there is no thing as a pick safe lock, locks are rated it terms of hours. as in how many hours it will take to pick, so it goes with rom's to.

cidica said:
Nothing in unrootable. Maybe it will take longer but I'm pretty sure it will be done. Not taking anything away from Haykuro but yeah nothing is perfect.
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If you read his twitter it says it's not rootable (until further notice).
Also, it's the Hero that has real multi-touch.

cidica said:
Nothing in unrootable. Maybe it will take longer but I'm pretty sure it will be done. Not taking anything away from Haykuro but yeah nothing is perfect.
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Yep. Microsoft's 360 console was supposed to be unhackable as well. It didn't take long

we have found a way to hack any and all electronics in existance, the phone is rootable it might just need a newer mind to take a look. people get into their heads that things can only be done a certain way, there is always another way to do it. to name a few
ALL HTC PHONES
Sony PSP
PS3
Xbox 360
iPhone
mac computers
linux computers
windows computers
i don't think i need to go on, everything is hackable and can be messed with, sometimes it just takes a little more work and a different approach.

bmnaccounts said:
i did not know that about the volume keys good to know.
and there is no thing as a pick safe lock, locks are rated it terms of hours. as in how many hours it will take to pick, so it goes with rom's to.
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... someone's been watching Mythbusters....
-bZj

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... someone's been watching Mythbusters....
-bZj
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Or it could be that some people have that common knowledge? I knew it from buying a safe.
In any case, it really makes me wonder why phone companies bother with lock downs. Sure, some of the general public won't bother trying, but how much money is invested in locking us from root and then lost when a 16 year old kid cracks it?

KyleK29 said:
Yep. Microsoft's 360 console was supposed to be unhackable as well. It didn't take long
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Microshaft doesn't exactly have a strong track record when it comes to security....
Unlike Linux, which Android *IS*.
That being said, rooting ANY Android device is *easy*. Just not necessarily through the conventional back doors.
If you can read and write the chips, you can very easily make any modifications you like into the root filesystem, which can include adding an 'su' command. Only problem with this is that it generally requires a hardware approach, which is beyond the scope of the average user... who probably shouldn't be messing with root anyways.
I do, however, feel a bit of a letdown in this issue though. The unfortunate thing is that the carriers still are trying to call the shots (and generally succeeding due to popular ignorance). I would like to see this change -- there was once a time when you bought your land phone from the phone company and this is not so any more. Right now, most people are still buying their mobile phone from the phone company, even though it isn't necessary. I would definitely like to see more dealers for non-carrier-specific cell phones, and to have them show up in popular places. I would like to see these sold at places like walmart and radio shack so that you can just walk in and buy a phone with no strings attached.
There are a few reasons why I opted for an ADP1...
1) no contract,
2) no controls,
3) no carrier,
I bought it outright, its mine, and I can do what I like with it. People who are interested in the freedom of an unrestricted device should opt for this approach. ADP1 is STILL AVAILABLE, and there is not much about the new devices that improves on it.. sure I admit that having a little more ram would be nice, but the keyboard sure makes up for it. Yes, the majority of devices can be converted into an unrestricted device, but it just isn't right that you would have to hack it.

Sorry for the offtopic, but show me someone booting ISOs on PS3

BolecDST said:
Sorry for the offtopic, but show me someone booting ISOs on PS3
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maybe not ISOs, but it's still been 'hacked' with home-brew firmwares etc.
http://www.ps3-hacks.com/forums/

not exactly
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Microshaft doesn't exactly have a strong track record when it comes to security....
Unlike Linux, which Android *IS*.
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well at the last hacker convention windows vista was not hacked until many third-party apps were involved, linux was hacked long before that. i'm not saying that linux is unsecure because it is very secure in the since that you can't do much if you hack my computer. any real threat would have to have the root password and to get that you would need a keylogger
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but it just isn't right that you would have to hack it.
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hacking the phone is half the fun. i get phones that can be hacked just cause i like to see what they can do.

tubaking182 said:
hacking the phone is half the fun. i get phones that can be hacked just cause i like to see what they can do.
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Exactly...trying to get the most out of a phone "IS" the fun part! Why do you think we're all in this forum

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well at the last hacker convention windows vista was not hacked until many third-party apps were involved, linux was hacked long before that. i'm not saying that linux is unsecure because it is very secure in the since that you can't do much if you hack my computer. any real threat would have to have the root password and to get that you would need a keylogger
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Dude, vista was hacked before it was even released.
And fyi; hacked = got root. Guessing at some user's password doesn't count. Hacking some particular server (i.e. Apache) doesn't count since it is run jailed (unless the admin is an idiot) and therefore won't let you get root. There have been a VERY FEW true root compromises for Linux, each and every one has been patched within hours (if not minutes) of it being identified, and due to the differing culture around linux, it is a matter of extreme pride to publicly identify security issues, i.e. if you legitimately hack linux, you are most likely going to take full credit for it using your REAL NAME and probably even provide a patch at the same time. Hack windoze though and you release under a fake name using a secure proxy in russia or china, otherwise MS will sue your a$$ until you die of starvation either through judgement or through legal expenses.
In Linux, you are a hero for identifying a security hole and helping to bring the whole thing closer to perfection.
In windoze, you are a criminal for pointing out the ineptitude of MS.

I'm over it I just want it done, please

Can anyone here please for the love of god tell me how to get my damned computer running Window's Xp 03 to detect this HD2. I picked it up for my friend and it was already running Android but all the guys info, pic's and email is still locked into the phone and no clear data doesn't work. I need to access the file that holds all of this and delete it. You can call or skype me and I'll be happy to pay someone to walk me through this. Its worth it to me not to waste anymore time or stress and get him outta my hair.
Jason

Hey there, judging by your area code you are in SC...but where in SC? I'm in Florence...if you are local, I could possibly help you out in person.

I'm in Myrtle Beach, I actually go the hd2 to connect to my macbook and I can make out the files on the sd card I simply don't know which folder contains the personal info stuff, I don't wan to delete the android stuff. Although there is one file called android.

jacumja said:
Can anyone here please for the love of god tell me how to get my damned computer running Window's Xp 03 to detect this HD2. I picked it up for my friend and it was already running Android but all the guys info, pic's and email is still locked into the phone and no clear data doesn't work. I need to access the file that holds all of this and delete it. You can call or skype me and I'll be happy to pay someone to walk me through this. Its worth it to me not to waste anymore time or stress and get him outta my hair.
Jason
Have you uninstalled your antivirus and, then, connected the phone for autodetect? Everytime I flash... the same problem...
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I haven't but I will, right now I have the access I need oddly enough via macbook first try I just need to remember what folder I delete that removes the gmail adress and all the info. I'm copying them all over to my desktop and I guess I'll just delete them one by one.

I will gladly pay someone 50 dollars to fix this garbage for me I'm sick of this phone and ready to wipe my butt with it. Mainly because i tried deleting a file and upon restart now it won't detect there is an sd card which there is. I don't get how easy this is for you guys.

jacumja said:
I will gladly pay someone 50 dollars to fix this garbage for me I'm sick of this phone and ready to wipe my butt with it. Mainly because i tried deleting a file and upon restart now it won't detect there is an sd card which there is. I don't get how easy this is for you guys.
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If you wouldn't delete a file on your computer unless you were REALLY sure you knew what you were doing... DON"T DO IT ON YOUR PHONE! untill you're sure. Just a rule I live by...
P.S. For goodness sake don't mess with the registry!

jacumja said:
I'm in Myrtle Beach, I actually go the hd2 to connect to my macbook and I can make out the files on the sd card I simply don't know which folder contains the personal info stuff, I don't wan to delete the android stuff. Although there is one file called android.
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Why don't you just start from scratch... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=843221

Honestly I don't have time to start from scratch and i don't understand any of this mess. I work 2 jobs and hacking or modding is not my forte. You want me to rebuild a motor and I can do it blind folded but this is your world and not mine and I'm experienced enough to know that.

You bought a phone that is modded and you call it a piece of crap. Do a hard reset and use the stock ROM if you don't want to mod it.
If you bought a computer that had the wrong OS would you call it a piece crap too? Don't blame the phone blame the mod that the person you bought it from.

NO mensa candidate with an obvious lack of reading comprehension. I'm upset with the situation of not being able to delete the guys info off the phone. Obviously I wanted it modded if I bought it modded and I've stated I wanted it modded. I'm not blaming anyone except you for adding your useless input into this thread.

Master of the Obvious
This is a problem I see often with people who want to do Technology savvy stuff without the disciplines and background in Technology whatever it is?
(At the very least make the Effort to know the Basics)
That is why Apple products exist for? I always hear Mac people insult Windows products! and its always for the same reason? "Severe Ignorance of Technology!"
That is why Grandmothers can use Macs!
"Distinctions without Differences is Master of the Obvious"
The only real advice I can give you is...
Stop Whining and "Man-Up" to the task at hand! Relax and use your brain for which it was intended for? "Reasoning" you are very fortunate to have found XDA, but "most" of the people here are for the advancement and self-Teaching of Technology! You are not going to find more Intelligent Tech Savvy people than on XDA!
Now for the Master of the Obvious things?
make sure that you have described the problem with enough detail for someone to help you! and hopefully you previously have taken the time and effort to do a "Search" on your problem! but if you are like many I see here and want everyone to hold your hand for something you are too slothy to do yourself? Then hope that someone here is Altruistic enough to help you? Remember you have spent more energy whining about the problem than....
Back up everything using either MS MyPhone or SPB Backup?
and then you can reinstall the HD2 with what you want on it?
Good Luck
Sent using my HD2

Wow hd2shadow, thank you so much for your useless input as well as the anonymous insults. Its really easy to make fun of someone or put them down when they're not in front of you. I'd probably do the same thing if I were you so no worries. I don't know you anymore than you know my but you seem like a real *****.
I am not a Mac fan boy nor am I putting anything down. I'm using a Mac because I'm in the middle of a move and do not have access to my Windows operated desktop. I build half a million dollar race cars for a living. I highly doubt I'm severely ignorant of technology as you put it.
Compute that while you rail your Steve Jobs blow up doll with a hacked HD2 balls deep in your ass, best of luck.

$100 to anyone that will walk me through this, last two ******s excluded.

So are you talking about on android? If you can get it to sync to your mac just access the file on the SD card "android" then remove data.img give your phone a nice little reboot and you can set android back up per your settings with no previous data.

jacumja said:
NO mensa candidate with an obvious lack of reading comprehension. I'm upset with the situation of not being able to delete the guys info off the phone. Obviously I wanted it modded if I bought it modded and I've stated I wanted it modded. I'm not blaming anyone except you for adding your useless input into this thread.
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Ok, so let me try to understand then. You bought a phone that was modded with a ROM that wasn't made for you're phone, you don't have the time or desire how to get it to work and you don't want to hard reset the phone and start from scratch?
Yeah I must have been talking out my a**

odds are I fixed it.

FYI
how to get my damned computer running Window's Xp 03 to detect this HD2
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. use ActiveSync 4.5
already running Android but all the guys info, pic's and email is still locked into the phone
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delete account in email or reinstall Android do Search on that!
HD2 Boots up in Windows Mobile and you have to tell it to Run Android!
I have the access I need oddly enough via macbook.
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so use DoubleTwist? or other Mac Syncs use Search.
I just need to remember what folder I delete that removes the gmail adress
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Windows you just delete account! but you never were specific if Android?
Mainly because i tried deleting a file and upon restart
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Well that was just Stupid Deleting without know what you are doing!
J Newtons 2nd Law; Don't know enough to be Dangerous!
i don't understand any of this mess. I work 2 jobs and hacking or modding is not my forte
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That is very True, J Newtons 1st Law; When you don't know anything? Then Do Nothing! J Newtons 2nd Law; Don't know enough to be Dangerous!
NO mensa candidate with an obvious lack of reading comprehension. I'm not blaming anyone except you for adding your useless input into this thread.
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You Blame everyone but yourself for not knowing enough!
Wow hd2shadow, thank you so much for your useless input as well as the anonymous insults. Its really easy to make fun of someone or put them down when they're not in front of you.
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Actually it easier when they are in front of me! Its how I prefer it. And if you have not figured out why people here cant help you is because you don't give enough information to deduce what the problem is and how to fix it? I purposely put all that you posted because just maybe you might learn what the problem is here?
COMMUNICATION FAILURE! Advice #1 Don't Whine when posting!, #2 Don't Insult those who try to HELP YOU! #3 The Most important, Be Humble!
I build half a million dollar race cars for a living. I highly doubt I'm severely ignorant of technology as you put it.
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Don't care about cars you build? has nothing to do here with Tech.
and I know you doubt it but let me ask you, THEN WHY ARE YOU HERE NOT BEING UNDERSTOOD? Remember Its not up to us to try to figure out what you are trying to say? Its up to you to make yourself clear to everyone who is trying to help?
I don't know you anymore than you know my but you seem like a real *****.
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I only know what you write, just like you know me by what I write. and you don't know if I am a Gay Woman? and ***** is not very nice
$100 to anyone that will walk me through this, last two ******s excluded.
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You get more Flies with Honey than Vinegar! If you change your attitude you might? not have to pay? But if you READ what you posted below you might understand why they might not jump at that savory opportunity?
Lets Try Again but this time Leave out the unnecessary, and focus on details of the problem. I get tired of guys like you here! that why I unloaded on you! I have been with XDA along time but use different Login names when I see immaturity of actions because they have a tendency too vengeful boyish tactics.
The rest is here below;
Can anyone here please for the love of god tell me how to get my damned computer xxxxxxxxxxxx. I picked it up for my friend and it was already xxxxxxxxxxxxxx into the phone and no clear data doesn't work. I need to access the file that holds all of this and delete it. You can call or skype me and I'll be happy to pay someone to walk me through this. Its worth it to me not to waste anymore time or stress and get him outta my hair.
I'm in Myrtle Beach, xxxxxxxxxx and I can make out the files on the sd card I simply don't know which folder contains the personal info stuff, I don't wan to delete the android stuff. Although there is one file called android.
I haven't but I will, right now I have the access I need oddly enough via macbook first try I just need to remember xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and all the info. I'm copying them all over to my desktop and I guess I'll just delete them one by one.
I will gladly pay someone 50 dollars to fix this garbage for me I'm sick of this phone and ready to wipe my butt with it. Mainly because xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx now it won't detect there is an sd card which there is. I don't get how easy this is for you guys.
NO mensa candidate with an obvious lack of reading comprehension. I'm upset with the situation of not being able to delete the guys info off the phone. Obviously I wanted it modded if I bought it modded and I've stated I wanted it modded. I'm not blaming anyone except you for adding your useless input into this thread.
Honestly I don't have time to start from scratch and i don't understand any of this mess. I work 2 jobs and hacking or modding is not my forte. You want me to rebuild a motor and I can do it blind folded but this is your world and not mine and I'm experienced enough to know that.
Wow hd2shadow, thank you so much for your useless input as well as the anonymous insults. Its really easy to make fun of someone or put them down when they're not in front of you. I'd probably do the same thing if I were you so no worries. I don't know you anymore than you know my but you seem like a real *****.
$100 to anyone that will walk me through this, last two ******s excluded.
Ok I am bored now....

Thank You to CyanPrinter for helping me getting this issue resolved. Also thank you z33dev33l your simple idea would have solved the issue as well. I unfortunately stopped reading before you posted it due to the two **** sticks that needed to turn the thread into an "Internet Pissing Contest". I appreciate the help from either of you. Thank god there are tech savy people our there that aren't complete douche bags every chance they get to people that are not.
Fyi. hd2shadow I find it hilarious that you had to run your **** sucker like you did yet you had not clue with your infinite experience how to fix the issue. Yet the people that took know issue with me did in less than one sentence. Maybe your just a pretender who's obviously got a self worth complex. Either way keep lurking and being confrontational to people for no reason on the internet. We all know what would happen if you ran your mouth like this face to face with someone. Which is exactly why you do it here.

[Q] Hpw to get into the android development business

So I've been a big fan of Android phones since their first release. I never bought into the IOS hype. I'd like to get into that kind of thing. So how does someone get into such business? College courses or do you have to find a company and work your way up?
BTW FAIL on the thread title... noticed it after I posted it -__-

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1628565 hope you do well.

I saw that and I've been studying, reading many guides and such, but I was wondering how to get into the actual business because I know all of the devs here do it out of their free time. I was wondering how to actually be behind the making of the next big thing in smartphones. I know it can't certaintly be by working at T-Mobile by just selling phones (Which btw I applied and I'm hoping for a call back lol) So yeah... any insight?

i know that high school and college students have a chance to work at Intel as an intern over the summer... i'm trying to see if i can get in hehe

saranhai said:
i know that high school and college students have a chance to work at Intel as an intern over the summer... i'm trying to see if i can get in hehe
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Damn it. Sounds amazing! Oh well.

saranhai said:
i know that high school and college students have a chance to work at Intel as an intern over the summer... i'm trying to see if i can get in hehe
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I thought Intel only made computers??

Salviikiddd said:
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I thought Intel only made computers??
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They make computers?
They make CPU's lol, or at least that's what they're most famous for

saranhai said:
They make computers?
They make CPU's lol, or at least that's what they're most famous for
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I musta been thinking of something else lol

Salviikiddd said:
So I've been a big fan of Android phones since their first release. I never bought into the IOS hype. I'd like to get into that kind of thing. So how does someone get into such business? College courses or do you have to find a company and work your way up?
BTW FAIL on the thread title... noticed it after I posted it -__-
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I think that in order for you to actually get recognized and make android (or whatever smartphone os) a career for you, you will need some kind of college education, like most careers today. As for what you'd major in and etc., I'm not exactly sure, but my college offers a mobile applications class and etc. under computer science and I'm thinking about trying to get into it,.but it also seems like a waste of time for the fact all of this can be learned w/o taking courses b/c of all the tutorials and programs available today and you can teach yourself. So I'm not sure what to do, but its something I'm interested in as well so I may ask about it in the computer science department whenever I get the chance to...
As for working at T-Mobile...that job is a joke unless you live in a major city or something.
To my experience, the employees at T-Mobile don't know how to do anything other than operate a phone, tell you its selling points and process the order and contracts or w/e.
You don't have to know **** about phones and can still work there.
For ex: I live right outside of Nashville, there's quite a few places where you can get T-Mobile, like in the mall there's about 3 kiosks for T-Mobile and there's a T-Mobile store right across from the mall. I talked to the guys at the kiosks all the time cause I used to work at Hollister and A&F, and they don't know much about phones at all. I worked in the front of the stores as a greeter and they'd have a kiosk right in front of my store, so I'd walk straight from the store to their kiosk and talk about phones with them and they'd be like "why do you work at those stores and know so much about phones?" It wasn't so much that I knew a lot about phones, it was what I assumed to be basic knowledge for anyone that is surrounded by and works with phones all day.
And another example, there's a T-Mobile store right by my campus, but this isn't really a major city, so this is like the only one unless you'd travel a almost an hour to the next store.
Anyways they offered me a job b/c some guy came in w/ an iPhone 4 but didn't know what to do to get it on T-Mobile. I overheard the conversation and asked the guy about it and then told him exactly what he should do (like jailbreak and etc.) cause the store didn't know what to do, and not only that, they called "THE" guy that they normally talk to about iPhones and he didn't even know what to do...so I was like look, I used to have an iPhone on T-Mobile, this is what you need to do, etc. etc., and then they offered me a job. I told them I'm not interested ATM b/c my grades are sucking ass in college right now (I'm a freshman) and I wanted to get my grades up.
So I come back about a month and a half later and they have a new employee there - she doesn't know **** about cell phones either! But its not like the others know much more than she does.
Moral of those two stories: you don't have to know much about cell phones to work for a carrier's store. Not saying EVERY employee is like that, but to my experience, they are. Just like best buy employees
Its sad I can tell someone that works w/ TV's there more about a TV than that employee can, yet he's getting paid for the little knowledge he knows -___-
I don't even keep up w/ TV tech...
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Oh don't worry lol I appreciate that. So I'll do some research on some technology colleges and see what I can find out and I'll continue to read all these guides to be more knowledgeable so in case I do find any classes maybe I can have an advantage? Lol
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Salviikiddd said:
Oh don't worry lol I appreciate that. So I'll do some research on some technology colleges and see what I can find out and I'll continue to read all these guides to be more knowledgeable so in case I do find any classes maybe I can have an advantage? Lol
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Haha, yea. I'm trying to take the course w/ the mobile app development and stuff but I didn't think I wanted to do a computer science major, so I took the "dumbed down" intro course which is only half the prerequisite, so next semester, I'm taking the other half needed for me to get into the mobile app course. It should be fairly easy cause this other half I need is only half a semester and they kinda dumbed it down too, and most of it's online and I can do the assignments at my own pace. All i'm doing is programming that little lego robot kids used to play with, at least that's what the guy made it seem like. He said it's supposed to give you a general idea on how to "speak computer language", knowing that computers will only do what you tell it to do or something like that...
My memory is so effed up right now, lol.

Lol that sounds confusing and stressful. But that's what it takes to work for android I guess lol I'm up for it though
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Salviikiddd said:
Lol that sounds confusing and stressful. But that's what it takes to work for android I guess lol I'm up for it though
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Lol, how?, I'm playing with lego robots for half a semester in the comfort of my own room. I just need to make sure I don't get ****ty roommates next semester like I had to deal with this year...

Ohhh lol I misunderstood, now that just sounds easy!
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How to be "in business".. Are you sure you want it?
There are several things you might want to do:
1) Write apps for Android (and iOS too). Don't need any formal education for that, just know programming well (Java for Android, System C for iOS).
2) Develop HW or SW for the phones. For that you need to be either HW or SW engineer. That means - going to a recognized university and getting at least Bachelor of Engineering (which is a sort of BSc) degree in either Electronic Engineering or Software Engineering, then get a job in one of the corporations in this field.
And I suggest not basing such important decisions in life as choosing your profession, on a suggestion from a forum.

Jack_R1 said:
How to be "in business".. Are you sure you want it?
There are several things you might want to do:
1) Write apps for Android (and iOS too). Don't need any formal education for that, just know programming well (Java for Android, System C for iOS).
2) Develop HW or SW for the phones. For that you need to be either HW or SW engineer. That means - going to a recognized university and getting at least Bachelor of Engineering (which is a sort of BSc) degree in either Electronic Engineering or Software Engineering, then get a job in one of the corporations in this field.
And I suggest not basing such important decisions in life as choosing your profession, on a suggestion from a forum.
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You just made a suggestion. Lol

[Q] Community response has been lacking...

Discuss!

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Discuss!
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Useless thread is useless. What exactly are you trying to do here?

Servaas said:
Discuss!
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I'm having a blast with my Ouya! How can we make the community response NOT lacking?...

I too think it is way to quiet here.
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D3LTA said:
I too think it is way to quiet here.
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People should be tearing this thing to pieces by now but there´s hardly any posts...

Servaas said:
People should be tearing this thing to pieces by now but there´s hardly any posts...
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i was kind of expecting that too:crying:

don't think of how it lacks, rejoice in the fact that there IS a community!
back in the day, there were no internet communities. face to face, telephone and mail, those were your options.
I've done SOOOO MUCH w/ my ouya! without the community, i would never be able to do it.
wise men say never expect more. if you want more, do it yourself.

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Risky flash process is off-putting. I expect we'll see much more activity once it is possible to flash a recovery with less risk of ending up with a hundred dollar paperweight. Plus the OUYA people promised an open console and many people have been disgusted enough to have avoided the console altogether due to the horror that customer relations have proven to be.
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bornagainpenguin said:
Risky flash process is off-putting. I expect we'll see much more activity once it is possible to flash a recovery with less risk of ending up with a hundred dollar paperweight. Plus the OUYA people promised an open console and many people have been disgusted enough to have avoided the console altogether due to the horror that customer relations have proven to be.
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There's also (understandably) more interest in phones and tablets that already have momentum. I won't touch my OUYA until I go back to school where I have an HDTV that won't give me a headache, so that's why I'm basically tuned out here. That, and all the people raging in this forum.

bornagainpenguin said:
Risky flash process is off-putting. I expect we'll see much more activity once it is possible to flash a recovery with less risk of ending up with a hundred dollar paperweight. Plus the OUYA people promised an open console and many people have been disgusted enough to have avoided the console altogether due to the horror that customer relations have proven to be.
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I am definitely pissed about certain things that could have been handled alot better (Like right now I'm forcing myself to not go into examples). But I think we need to move on. I don't think any device has ever really had a lot of things going on when you first get them. Really if I would have read some of this stuff before hand I would have still got it but the average person might not and there could be a bad ass developer right now weighing out whether or not he should get this thing and it's not looking good. I'd like to see adam outler with one of these things

Anyone locked themselves out by forgetting username and password? Haven't even rooted this Damn thing yet... If anyone knows a way to help me it would be great... ouya cs is no help...
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Hell now the Damn thing says unable to connect to the network when it is connected then I try again and it locks up at checking for software updates... f...
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Asadullah said:
But I think we need to move on.
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Nope. Not going to happen. The OUYA was billed as an open console and what has been delivered to us paying customers has been anything but open. I will not be quiet, I will not get over it, nor will I go away.
If the OUYA fails it will be because of bitterness by early adopters like myself who discovered we had been sold a bill of goods and are educating everyone else we know on what a horrible deal the OUYA is as a result.
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I don't think any device has ever really had a lot of things going on when you first get them.
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This one could have. It was going to be different--"So begins the revolution", remember? If the OUYA team had actually delivered something open they could have had an instant community of developers and users springing up around the device--instead people are getting increasingly vocal about bugs, the lack of transparency and a lack of a true open console. These people are not going to go away.
At the current rate things are going I highly doubt the OUYA will see its third hardware revision. There might be a poorly sold second edition but there will be no third version because the poor sales of the second release will kill the company. If it happens it will be their own fault for not fulfilling their promises to their customers.
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Really if I would have read some of this stuff before hand I would have still got it but the average person might not
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If I could do it all over again, I'd have not purchased the OUYA. I'd probably have investigated some of the more interesting Android\Linux arm boards coming out in a bid to roll my own game\media center box.
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there could be a bad ass developer right now weighing out whether or not he should get this thing and it's not looking good.
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Let me make it easy for any developers looking in. I have already bought three OUYA games and have been adding several others to a mental list of games I'd like to purchase in the near future, but I absolutely refuse to buy any more games until the OUYA team fixes the USB storage bugs. I will not buy a single game from this time forward until things change.
--bornagainpenguin

I loved my Ouya at first, rooted , cmw, emulators, side loading. But overscan killed me to death. I don't want to use this on my 42 inch I want It on my 32 inch Samsung gaming tv. lets face it the nexus 7 delivers what ouya can't, hdmi out open source and the ability to take it on the go as a fabulous tablet to. but it's double the price. I returned mine and if ouya doesn't get it's stuff in order this thing will be a dud.I have Roku, Chromecast, 2 Nexus 7's and every current gen console. we have steambox on the way, Xbox one, Ps4 and more coming. Ouya is going to be eaten alive if it doesn't open up the pandoras box and let the fun out.

Kingroot

Root app that claims to root all android devices. I'll save you the trouble of trying, cause it does not work on the Fire TV. There are videos of devices being rooted that were unrootable before, but for some reason it does not work on the Fire TV, but it does work on Fire phone and Amazon tablets. Hopefully in the future it will work on the Fire TV.

I read the apk is not safe. Rumors about the root app which connects to chinese server and sends private data (but it could be just not true). Can anyone confirm?
Regards

I think the app is safe. Everyone always thinks devs are tryin to hack peoples devices and it never happens, so I doubt this app is any different. Also if people are worried then they probably shouldn't keep persnal info on their devices. If anyone hacked aany device I own they would get nothing. I never use my SS number, i never leave active cards on my Amazon account, so if my device gets hacked ther hacker is wasting his time. Maaybe they can hack my email or Facebook, but all they'll get from them is spam. I only use Facebook to connect wwith apps, and my email accounts are atleast ten years old and not one person I know has my email adresses, cause I only use them to be ble to signup for other website accounts. All of my imprtant info is stored in the cloud that I call my brain, and no hacker can get to it.

Didn't try it, but reddit is reporting it doesn't work.
Edit: Looks like someone got it to work after a factory reset.
Also, it is naive to trust running something where they don't release the source. Your device, do what you want though.

They didn't release the source for the same reason other devs sometimes don't, cause they do not want google to know how they are rooting devices. Whatever exploit(s) they are using would become useless if they releassed the source. I already posted that it does not work on the Fire TV, but it does work on a lot of other devices. I simply made this thread because people were gonna hear about Kingroot and try it so I figured I would save them some time. Also, it may work on the Fire TV in the future.

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They didn't release the source for the same reason other devs sometimes don't, cause they do not want google to know how they are rooting devices. Whatever exploit(s) they are using would become useless if they releassed the source. I already posted that it does not work on the Fire TV, but it does work on a lot of other devices. I simply made this thread because people were gonna hear about Kingroot and try it so I figured I would save them some time. Also, it may work on the Fire TV in the future.
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I don't want to argue that credible devs release their source. But whatever, it is a leap of faith. There is rarely harm done. But best to be cautious.
And sorry for the optimism. The successful root was on the Fire PHONE. You are correct, still no luck on the stick or TV. It will come eventually for those waiting.

Let's suppose it does do something naughty. Root, install Clockwork, then overwrite the whole firmware with a pre-rooted one. Problem solved.

can anyone confirm if this works after a factory reset.. we should act on this soon before the hole is closed.

"I think the app is safe."
thanks! super-lol. I don't even know how to.
"do not want google to know how"
triple-lol. as if google is not extremely aware of open defects internally and/or on CVE / MITRE. huh I guess I kinda-sorta did know how to.
google fixes its **** near-immediately. the reason $RANDOM_DEVICE is rootable is because the actual-downstream-vendor is too lazy/cheap to push updated binaries.
too lazy to type more of the obvious. more on this here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=60697482&postcount=28
part XVII: efuse. efuse. m. f. ing. efuse. do people seriously not know about this by now?!

Does efuse factor in at all regarding future root methods? Or is it pretty much void now that we can unlock bootloader? That was a huge deal months ago, and now I hear lots of talk about new root exploits without anyone commenting on efuse.

psycon said:
can anyone confirm if this works after a factory reset.. we should act on this soon before the hole is closed.
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The person actually said it worked on the Fire Phone after resetting, not the Fire TV, but if you are willing to reset your Fire TV, try it and let us know if it works.

I am trying out the app now. I used the air mouse app in the app store to navigate. The app was designed for a touch screen. I am trying on my fire stick first. Will report back.
Brad

tarvoke said:
"I think the app is safe."
thanks! super-lol. I don't even know how to.
"do not want google to know how"
triple-lol. as if google is not extremely aware of open defects internally and/or on CVE / MITRE. huh I guess I kinda-sorta did know how to.
google fixes its **** near-immediately. the reason $RANDOM_DEVICE is rootable is because the actual-downstream-vendor is too lazy/cheap to push updated binaries.
too lazy to type more of the obvious. more on this here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=60697482&postcount=28
part XVII: efuse. efuse. m. f. ing. efuse. do people seriously not know about this by now?!
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Yes Google is aware just like Apple is aware of exploits, but have you ever read the devs working on IOS jailbreaks? They openly state that they have jailbreaks for new firmware and even post videos of them jailbreaking it, but refuse to release jailbreaks until after dev builds are over and the actual firmware is out because they do not want Apple to fix the exploit they have used. Its basically the same wiith Android, but the only difference is there are no dev builds from google. The app is safe. Tell me the last time you installed something that ruined your credit, stole your identity or personal info. I am guessing it has never happened to you, just like it wouldn't if you installed Kingroot. If not releasing the source means they are not legit then that must mean 99% of developers are not legit. I do not have the source for Angry Birds, but that would not stop me from installing it if I chose to. People are too paranoid about being hacked. Really think about it, what is someone even gonna get if they hack your device?? And wouldn't it be your fault if they got any of your personal info in the first place? They have been telling people for around 20 years not to put personal info on their computers so if people are dumb enough to do it then its kind of their own fault. People know better than to smoke too, but they still do it. Long story short, even if someone was gonna go to the trouble of hacking someones phone, they would go for someone that actually has something they want, like someone famous. Its like when people say they have haters, when nobody really hates them. Who is gonna waste time hting someone that flips burgers, when there are better people to hate on? Nobody wants to hack our phones, trust me.

I tried it just now with KingRoot versions 3.4.1.157 and 4.0.0.233 on my german FTVS with blocked updates. Both times there is the sad looking Android head (and the number 13804 in the second version).

I had the same result. no go.

bnick007 said:
I am trying out the app now. I used the air mouse app in the app store to navigate. The app was designed for a touch screen. I am trying on my fire stick first. Will report back.
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Did you do a reset first? It apparently works for some devices only if they are reset. Some people said it worked on the Fire Phone without resetting, but others are saying they had to reset before it would work. I would do it, but I do not feel like resetting my device. Maybe someone will do reset and try it on The Fire TV and the stick and report back so we will know if it works. I predict it won't work, but if someone is willing to try on the box and the stick after resetting, that would be great.

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Yes Google is aware just like Apple is aware of exploits, but have you ever read the devs working on IOS jailbreaks? They openly state that they have jailbreaks for new firmware and even post videos of them jailbreaking it, but refuse to release jailbreaks until after dev builds are over and the actual firmware is out because they do not want Apple to fix the exploit they have used. Its basically the same wiith Android, but the only difference is there are no dev builds from google. The app is safe. Tell me the last time you installed something that ruined your credit, stole your identity or personal info. I am guessing it has never happened to you, just like it wouldn't if you installed Kingroot. If not releasing the source means they are not legit then that must mean 99% of developers are not legit. I do not have the source for Angry Birds, but that would not stop me from installing it if I chose to. People are too paranoid about being hacked. Really think about it, what is someone even gonna get if they hack your device?? And wouldn't it be your fault if they got any of your personal info in the first place? They have been telling people for around 20 years not to put personal info on their computers so if people are dumb enough to do it then its kind of their own fault. People know better than to smoke too, but they still do it. Long story short, even if someone was gonna go to the trouble of hacking someones phone, they would go for someone that actually has something they want, like someone famous. Its like when people say they have haters, when nobody really hates them. Who is gonna waste time hting someone that flips burgers, when there are better people to hate on? Nobody wants to hack our phones, trust me.
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This is by far the most misinformed thing I have ever read.
Please just stop.

jpeg42 said:
This is by far the most misinformed thing I have ever read.
Please just stop.
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Not misinformed at all. Talk to any financial expert or online securities expert and they would laugh in your face if you told them you stored personal information on an electronic device. The best place to store information is in your brain. You know your ss number so why put it in your device? You have a credit card or debit card so why put it on you device when its in your pocket? People get viruses on their computers, but most of the time those are meant to cause havoc, not to steal your info. When hackers want to take stuff they try taking it from systems like department stores and banking systems, not people with $100 in the bank. Maybe you should get informed about who online hackers are stealing from, cause in most cases they are not trying to steal directly from everyday people. If the common persons info gets stolen its usually stolen from somewhere else, like a bank or department stores online system, and not from your devices.

jpeg42 said:
This is by far the most misinformed thing I have ever read.
Please just stop.
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I agree. Can we keep this post on topic. Namely Kingroot. I'm not really interested in your long winded post either. I don't want to discourage devs from looking into a potential root because the thread turns into a pissing contest. That appears to be what happened with the thread about CM12 on the fire tv.
Thanks

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Not misinformed at all. Talk to any financial expert or online securities expert and they would laugh in your face if you told them you stored personal information on an electronic device. The best place to store information is in your brain. You know your ss number so why put it in your device? You have a credit card or debit card so why put it on you device when its in your pocket? People get viruses on their computers, but most of the time those are meant to cause havoc, not to steal your info. When hackers want to take stuff they try taking it from systems like department stores and banking systems, not people with $100 in the bank. Maybe you should get informed about who online hackers are stealing from, cause in most cases they are not trying to steal directly from everyday people. If the common persons info gets stolen its usually stolen from somewhere else, like a bank or department stores online system, and not from your devices.
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you realize that when you make a post that long, only that one person read it right?