What can samsung do to redeem themselves?
An unlocked bootloader would be greatly appreciated!!
Wishful thinking!!
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phenixof4 said:
What can samsung do to redeem themselves?
An unlocked bootloader would greatly appreciated!!
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About as many people as exploding phones care about an unlocked BL. We are in the minority.
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About as many people as exploding phones care about an unlocked BL. We are in the minority.
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But Samsung needs to realize we the minority are the ones that influence the majority, our family, friends, coworkers. We are the ones they ask before they buy a phone. They'll ask what phone to buy and I'll typically tell them to buy whatever im rocking. Not because it has a unlocked bootloader etc. But because when issues arise they will come to me with there questions and if they go and pick a phone that I didn't recommend they buy in the first place I'm going to let them know I don't know anything about there phone so they need to read the manual. Lol lmao.
I remember when my mom bought her first Android the HTC ARia on At&t and didn't approve. Lol. I sent her to my brother because he also had the phone and he as only a bit more knowledgeable than her. Lol.
It took me a year to get her onto the iPhone, and not because I was not changing to different phones but because iPhones don't change and I could be of off IOS for years and come back and it would still pretty much be the same thing.
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But Samsung needs to realize we the minority are the ones that influence the majority, our family, friends, coworkers. We are the ones they ask before they buy a phone.
It took me a year to get her onto the iPhone, and not because I was not changing to different phones but because iPhones don't change and I could be of off IOS for years and come back and it would still pretty much be the same thing.
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I usually tell them to get whatever they want. Fit the device and the users technical knowledge together. I got my parents onto the iPhone as well. Some people have a habit of clicking on anything, and approving anything on their desktop/laptop(even though I've taught them what to look out for). With the iPhone...NOPE! haha! I hope Apple will never change. I hope their interface stays like that for years to come. For savvy users like us, there's Android.
With the development of Android advancing, technology advancing, I only see it getting tougher for us, the minority, to gain root to some devices. It's all about securing the financial endeavors of these corporations. Security is a major priority these days.
I tip my hat to the devs that spend their precious time to break the security these manufacturers/carriers put on our devices. I appreciate them very much.
Personally I hope they come to their senses and bring back easy user access to battery. This whole fiasco would be so much easier to deal with: mail me new battery (about $10 cost), collect faulty ones, done and forgot. Here whole phone needs to be replaced, at least few hours for user to restore settings, programs, data. My only major complain about N7 from the beginning. They were thinking sealed battery will not allow people to put 3rd party unapproved, "unsafe", batteries, extra revenue stream from service centers replacing older batteries wouldn't hurt, but look how the things turn out in reality. And the phone can be waterproof and still have accessible battery, S5 is.
As far as redemption, they already did, by promising everybody new phone at huge cost. N7 had root, week after release, bootloader locked or not, so not sure I care about it that much? What they should have is developer version fully unlocked for those who care. Actually here is the idea: Get all those recalled N7, refurbish them and sell fully unlocked, might bring new customers.
People need to stop moaning about a replaceable battery. Those days are over. Welcome to the future.
Use the 2.5 million phone as parts and free screen or back replacements for customers for 1 time replacement if we crack something!! Works for me
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People need to stop moaning about a replaceable battery. Those days are over. Welcome to the future.
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More like welcome to the past! Shall we say goodbye to the ir sensor too? I mean my Samsung Omnia had it (ir sensor)...then it disappeared from cellphones only to return again years later...now it's leaving again. I say never say never when talking tech.
My 2 cents....
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Take off $200 off phone, that would make me happy! Lol
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Take off $200 off phone, that would make me happy! Lol
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Remove the block they put in place to adoptable storage, that would please me lots! Maybe they'll rethink this when Apple releases that iPhone seven with 256 gigs of internal storage! There have been leaked screenshots of the box indicting this. You know they do so many things as a knee jerk reaction to Apple! Imagine what that would cost Apple users!!!! Imagine what Samsung would charge for that, lol!!! Can't wait to see the pricing they come up with.
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What has sealed battery to do with future? Because Apple started doing it? There were sealed batteries long before, there will be replaceable batteries in the future. If you want to talk about future, talk about no batteries at all, but that's still many years out.
If $1 billion lesson is not convincing enough for Samsung, what do I care.
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What has sealed battery to do with future? Because Apple started doing it? There were sealed batteries long before, there will be replaceable batteries in the future. If you want to talk about future, talk about no batteries at all, but that's still many years out.
If $1 billion lesson is not convincing enough for Samsung, what do I care.
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It is the future....get over it, or buy a phone that still has replaceable battery while they are still available.
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What has sealed battery to do with future? Because Apple started doing it? There were sealed batteries long before, there will be replaceable batteries in the future. If you want to talk about future, talk about no batteries at all, but that's still many years out.
If $1 billion lesson is not convincing enough for Samsung, what do I care.
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It's a give and take situation. You do realize why they sealed the device right? To get the Waterproofing cert. If they allowed a removable battery then they couldn't do that at this level of cert. So it was Seal it and get waterproofing or replaceable battery. I prefer the replaceable battery as I never have had an issue with water damage but it's understandable why it happened.
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It's a give and take situation. You do realize why they sealed the device right? To get the Waterproofing cert. If they allowed a removable battery then they couldn't do that at this level of cert. So it was Seal it and get waterproofing or replaceable battery. I prefer the replaceable battery as I never have had an issue with water damage but it's understandable why it happened.
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I think some started sealing batteries way before waterproofing. It is cheaper to seal batteries during production and sealed batteries are cheaper to make (don't need strong walls). Also puts short expiration date on the phone, batteries won't last much past 2 years of daily use, forcing people to upgrade, or send for service, want it or not. Convince customers that your cost cutting measures are features (not talking about Samsung only here) and all is good. BTW sealed battery is not a deal breaker for me, but negative never the less. Going back on topic, we get $25 credit/gift card for exchange and get to keep old charger/ usb-c cable, India gets free VR gear for delayed launch.
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I think some started sealing batteries way before waterproofing. It is cheaper to seal batteries during production and sealed batteries are cheaper to make (don't need strong walls). Also puts short expiration date on the phone, batteries won't last much past 2 years of daily use, forcing people to upgrade, or send for service, want it or not. Convince customers that your cost cutting measures are features (not talking about Samsung only here) and all is good. BTW sealed battery is not a deal breaker for me, but negative never the less. Going back on topic, we get $25 credit/gift card for exchange and get to keep old charger/ usb-c cable, India gets free VR gear for delayed launch.
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All additional good points. There is not one singular reason. But, any decision that incentivises a company to get there customers to buy the next best thing design wise as you pointed out is always a business decision they will make. You're right it's completely a method of indirect control and convincing users it's "a feature" is a pacifying tactic.
Personally I think for redemption they should send us the updated Note 7 that is rumored to have 6gb of ram and 128gb of storage. Either that or the mentioned free updated GearVR, since for those that aren't brave enough to hold the Samsung Scorcher in their hands, their release is basically delayed as well.
Granted, I already got the free 256gb Micro SD card, which I think sells normally for 200 USD on Amazon.
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http://www.pcworld.com/article/1867...irst_week_of_sales_were_weak_report_says.html
Thats a ton of complaints coming out for only 20k sales.
Not being available in T-Mo stores really hurt sales. I think being able to see this screen and hold it in person would move a hell of alot more units.
he Nexus One didn't benefit from such a strong marketing push like the Motorola Droid (estimated $100 million), despite Google's phone featuring so-far unique Android features. This has reflected in poor first week sales for the Nexus One, as per the table below. (Click image above to enlarge)
Instead, Google chose a soft launch for the Nexus One, selling it through their website. But the steep $500 Google is asking for the unlocked device and the mixed reviews the Nexus One received didn't help to maximize first week sales.
Flurry's report mentions that the Nexus One lacks the "wow factor" and the general perception that the device is not seen as revolutionary, but rather just evolutionary from other Android phones.
Om Malik, of GigaOm, notes that Flurry's estimated sales numbers for the Nexus One might even be a bit far fetched. He mentions Google has been giving away the Nexus One to its employees and also lent it to many members of the media for reviews, which could have bumped up Flurry's analytics.
Next to the poor first week sales figure, the Nexus One has also seen mounting complaints over the 3G connectivity of the device and the lack of developer tools for the Android 2.1 platform.
In her review of the Nexus One, my colleague Ginny Mies notes that Google's phone "isn't quite the game-changer people hoped it would be, though it certainly trumps other phones in performance, display quality, and speed." Next to pros like a dazzling OLED display, snappy performance and sleep, slim design, she marks the lack of multitouch support and the software keyboard as cons.
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I'm actually glad. I dont want the nexus one to become a fashion icon like the iPhone did.
EDIT: YOU! WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING HERE
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I'm actually glad. I dont want the nexus one to become a fashion icon like the iPhone did.
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awww Fuuudgdeeee
Had to be 2 new yorkers didnt it. lol
Agree with this though. Ive been saying I hope a ton of people want it but few get it. That way Google is pressed to resolve there customer service and HW issues and early adopters dont look like bandwagon jumpers for the latest fashion device.
On the flip side... I hope Google doesnt turn around and blame Tmobile. Tmo and Google have been continually bringing out Android sets I hope that relationship doesnt sour because of this.
Actually 20k in sales for a phone that has reportedly had the vast majority of users buy the unlocked version is pretty damn good (Leo Laporte mentioned it on TWiT on Sunday)
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I'm actually glad. I dont want the nexus one to become a fashion icon like the iPhone did.
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As much as I give credit to Apple for what they've done with the iPhone, the iPhone has become the "razr" of phones.....the "Wal-Mart" of phones....
The bad press on this phone is silly. It takes nothing into consideration, bends around the truth, and just sounds misinformed. This phone had a soft launch, wasn't available in stores, no television ads, and wasn't really advertised by Google until the day of it's launch.
These soft launches make an impact. Word will spread and then it will pop up and explode on Verizon. I'm not even trying to defend the device, it just makes me angry seeing so much misinformed crap popping up on the web.
"But the steep $500 Google is asking for the unlocked device and the mixed reviews the Nexus One received didn't help to maximize first week sales."
Mixed reviews meaning angry fanboys? I don't get it. The thing runs Android really well, is fast as hell, looks great, has a good camera, etc. I have no idea what people were expecting. Android has been out, and this was stated to be an Android device.
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As much as I give credit to Apple for what they've done with the iPhone, the iPhone has become the "razr" of phones.....the "Wal-Mart" of phones....
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+1
everybody and their dog has an iphone. i'd rather have something few others do
To be honest, and trying to be unbiased, I think these numbers are ok for Google. Here's why I say that... given the marketing channel used here (online only sales and advertising), I suspect that Google is banking on a moderate rate of sales early on, with an increase a little later. Most people like to see and touch something prior to dropping hundreds of dollars on it. I think Google is counting on the early adopters to buy the phones, and then once we have them and others start seeing and playing with them, they will start buying. In theory, this should work the same as if the N1 would have been sold in stores, except the initial sales would be lighter and the rate of sales would be steeper after the first few weeks.
My proverbial 2 cents...
#1. It's hard for someone to drop that much cash on a phone unseen. Like others have pointed out, it's hard to sell a mobile phone without being able to "touch" it and play with it at a retail store.
#2. The N1 is one of the first handsets relatively available for purchase which has the Qualcomm Snapdragon processor. I honestly think the "hacking" community for the N1 will be similar of what the G1 (HTC Dream) has seen... In other words, the HTC Passion is basically the next great hacking platform as the HTC Dream experienced.
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So essentially 1 in 150,000 Americans (ROUGHLY, only considering domestic sales) are packin the N1 - Sounds like a pretty elite/exclusive group if you ask me
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..."But the steep $500 Google is asking for the unlocked device and the mixed reviews the Nexus One received didn't help to maximize first week sales."
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Also, to add onto this...I don't think the price is steep at all. In fact it is cheaper than many other unlocked devices with lesser hardware. Also, it has been pointed out in many places that getting the unlocked version is cheaper than going with the subsidized version and mandatory plan.
When a phone can be purchased only from one location and one URL only gadget freaks like us know about it's existence. Some of my friends who think they are gadget freaks were shocked to see my phone over the weekend. They didn't even know about it yet. Forget the common man. Unless, the phone is sold in T-mobile, and B&M stores, it will be hard to sell like Driod.
Except for lousy T-mobile 3G inside buildings, I love this phone. But I am seriously thinking about returning just to go back to AT&T as I would like to stay with the best GSM carrier who gets most unlocked 3G phones so I can keep changing my phones every few months.
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To be honest, and trying to be unbiased, I think these numbers are ok for Google. Here's why I say that... given the marketing channel used here (online only sales and advertising), I suspect that Google is banking on a moderate rate of sales early on, with an increase a little later. Most people like to see and touch something prior to dropping hundreds of dollars on it. I think Google is counting on the early adopters to buy the phones, and then once we have them and others start seeing and playing with them, they will start buying. In theory, this should work the same as if the N1 would have been sold in stores, except the initial sales would be lighter and the rate of sales would be steeper after the first few weeks.
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I agree. This seems similar to Gmail when it was in Beta....and Gvoice. Only certain people had it and it was invite only. This seems to make a launch more manageable (less volume) and the inital adopters are the ones who typically want it the most and spread the word to others for free.
I want one... I just don't want to pay $530 to be a beta tester. I think once the 3g issues are solved we'll see alot more people pay for the phone
once Verizon and vodaphone get this phone. Sales will SKY rocket.
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The only way for a big change in sales would be to sell the Nexus One in stores, mainstream buyers are not going to spend premium money on a handset that they can not handle first.
There are not enough early adopters and tech heads like most of us on this site to make a major impact on sales. Plus many of us are holding off to see how the 3G issue gets handled before buying.
since they didnt really air commercial for the phone and it is only available online. the numbers are pretty good.
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The HARDWARE to produce the Nexus One costs $175$. This price does NOT include licensing, manufacturing, advertising, shipping, Government Taxes, etc.
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Yeah... Putting the parts together... probably costs more than the parts themselves, including labor.
Sure, I could get the "parts" for my car too for less than a quarter of what it sells for... I wouldn't want to try to assemble it though!
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The HARDWARE to produce the Nexus One costs $175$. This price does NOT include licensing, manufacturing, advertising, shipping, Government Taxes, etc.
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...not to mention R&D
I still have people ask me when its coming out when I show them mine, this phone is still very "underground"
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The HARDWARE to produce the Nexus One costs $175$. This price does NOT include licensing, manufacturing, advertising, shipping, Government Taxes, etc.
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Can you send me a link to where you found out the hardware only cost $175 for the nexus one. I would like to see how much the snapdragon proc costs, and the 512mb of ram, and all the other components in the phone, and just the cost of putting it together.
And I am not referring to licensing, manufacturing, advertising, shipping, Government Taxes, etc.
Just the hardware and the costs to put the phone together. I call bull**** on the $175 dollars.
That is how much it might cost to put together the iphone 3gs with much cheaper hardware. But the Nexus One hardware is another story.
http://googlenexusoneboard.blogspot.com/2010/07/update-nexus-one-changes-in.html
I hope this means NexusTwo is in the works
It really does make me sad. At least we have some indication that the nexus one will continue to be supported as the official developer phone.
Not "some", but the most official indication possible, quoting:
"To ensure our developers have access to a phone with the latest Android OS, Google will be offering the Nexus One through a partner for sale to registered developers. Visit the Android Market Publisher site and log into your developer account to purchase a Nexus One."
A little sad at face value... But looking deeper, what it means to me is that if you want an N1 after they sell out, you have to pay a $25 premium (to get a developer profile). Not that big of a deal in my opinion. That said, given that the Galaxy S has been rooted, I'm sure it won't be missed too much. I won't be getting rid of my N1 any time soon though!
Now to sit back and wait for the next Anti-Jesusphone.
*Disclaimer: I'm not saying the N1 is the antichrist. I'm just making fun of the fact that people refer to iphones as 'Jesusphones'. This is just for the people with no sense of humor*
Our phones are soon to be rare collectors items
What about the accessories? The desk dock, car dock, and battery. They charge fair prices, expecially for the battery. Other vendors selling the same batt would charge double I bet.
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What about the accessories? The desk dock, car dock, and battery. They charge fair prices, expecially for the battery. Other vendors selling the same batt would charge double I bet.
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i'm wondering if i should pick up accessories for this phone sometime soon. i already have the desktop dock, and probably won't need the car dock as i have a universal mount solution. although i'm pretty satisfied w/ my current battery, i could see myself requiring a new battery in the future. thoughts? are there other means of acquiring an official/oem battery?
Time to wait for the next developer phone with stock android I guess, never gonna buy a phone with Sense/Motoblur/Touchwiz or whatever.
Hopefully they will create a new developer phone in time for Gingerbread or the next version.
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i'm wondering if i should pick up accessories for this phone sometime soon. i already have the desktop dock, and probably won't need the car dock as i have a universal mount solution. although i'm pretty satisfied w/ my current battery, i could see myself requiring a new battery in the future. thoughts? are there other means of acquiring an official/oem battery?
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Don't buy a battery ahead of time, it will be useless by the time you want to use it.
The Nexus battery is the same as the desire battery which is probalby the same as a few other HTC devices, track it down by P/N on htc's site and you should be alright.
Wait, woah...
Notice how there's no mention of selling it via T-Mobile / AT&T retail stores in the US?
I thought that was a lock. Looks like that flopped.
Google denied again? Ouch...
In any case, all this means we can sell our phones for an even greater profit once we want to upgrade...
The good news is our Nexus will soon be considered a Classic!
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Wait, woah...
Notice how there's no mention of selling it via T-Mobile / AT&T retail stores in the US?
I thought that was a lock. Looks like that flopped.
Google denied again? Ouch...
In any case, all this means we can sell our phones for an even greater profit once we want to upgrade...
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Not really, all one has to do is pay $25 bucks and get it as a "developer" for probably the same price we pay now.
I hope it becomes a classic, it will hopefully be worth a good amount when the new Gen of android phones get released.
I wonder what the next default testing phone will be for Google. I'm sure it'll be the nexus for at least the remainder of the year though. I hope.
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Wait, woah...
Notice how there's no mention of selling it via T-Mobile / AT&T retail stores in the US?
I thought that was a lock. Looks like that flopped.
Google denied again? Ouch...
In any case, all this means we can sell our phones for an even greater profit once we want to upgrade...
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They never said they are selling thru carriers, they said retail places like amazon, newegg, best buy, etc. ATT and carriers was never once mentioned.
the're cooking up something big
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the're cooking up something big
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lol, you're in for a big disappointment if you think that.
nah, just pure speculation, would be cool if they released something like HTC 1 concept, that would be a definite step up/worthy upgrade
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nah, just pure speculation, would be cool if they released something like HTC 1 concept, that would be a definite step up/worthy upgrade
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The phone interface that looked like Windows Mobile 7? Uh.. no..
All you guys that are posting all the negative stuff here about AT&T and the Atrix....... Get a life..... If you don't want the Atrix then don't get it! If you don't like AT&T then don't get the Atrix! There are TONS of great android phones out there from every wireless carrier.
Seriously you are guys are just too much! No one is FORCING you to buy the phone or have AT&T if you don't want to this is controlled by your choices.
Give it a rest...I have 3 lines on AT&T and one on Sprint. I never have a problem with either one...... Every carrier charges a premium for there high end phones and 4G ALL of them do!
and by posting this you start a flame war. was it really necessary?
Also, you misspelled AT&T in the title.
I don't think a post of this type is necessary; while I agree 100%, I doubt that this thread will stop any of the activity that it is meant to.
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Also, you misspelled AT&T in the title.
I don't think a post of this type is necessary; while I agree 100%, I doubt that this thread will stop any of the activity that it is meant to.
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Lol...yes I did misspell AT&T in the title.....
I just was frustrated with all the troll postings about this phone. People come to learn about this phone. Not have to wade through all the negative postings about AT&T and the new phone. Its almost as if by design they are trying to discourage interest in the Atrix.....
Sorry, nothing wrong with voicing disappointment. You can continue to spend tons of money on overpriced stuff if you want. The rest of us will give them feedback and hope they learn.
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Sorry, nothing wrong with voicing disappointment. You can continue to spend tons of money on overpriced stuff if you want. The rest of us will give them feedback and hope they learn.
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i agree with you about constructive feedback. But none of the posters have even seen the phone yet. Its not available for demo in the stores until the 13th. So how can they be so negative about it? Has anyone seen it yet? Does anyone have service with the phone that can tell us exactly what the charges and plan looks like? I will wait until I can actually see the phone and talk to an at&t rep and get more info.....
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Sorry, nothing wrong with voicing disappointment. You can continue to spend tons of money on overpriced stuff if you want. The rest of us will give them feedback and hope they learn.
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I suppose, although I'm not sure how anything posted here has been useful or a benefit to anyone in any way whatsoever.
I'm not sure how it's tons of money on overpriced stuff. Besides the obvious fact that value is subjective, which means that something may not be worth even $200 to you, but may be worth $300 to me.
Aside from that, top of the line phones cost around $200 these days. At least third party retailers are allowed to discount Android phones, unlike iPhones. I paid $150 for my Captivate last year at BB (it was still $200 @ AT&T), and I'll be paying $150 for the Atrix (or $200 if the Costco/BB leaks weren't true, which IMHO they are). Not sure how the Atrix is overpriced.
If you are referring to the laptop dock, then personally I would have to agree with you regarding its price. However, that is an accessory. Accessories are always overpriced. If you don't want it, don't buy it. I suspect most people won't, and I suspect it will drop in price pretty quickly. It is the first device of its kind, so if you buy it you are being an early adopter, and it costs a lot to be an early adopter. That's just life. Wait a few months, perhaps there will be third party solutions, or the price will have dropped to something that you can afford. No use crying over spilled milk.
Honestly, it doesn't seem like it would be too hard to build something like the laptop dock. Have a base that holds a bluetooth keyboard and a docking slot for the Atrix where you want your trackpad to be, attach one of those PS LCDs to the top and throw in some batteries. I'm sure it could be done for a couple of hundred bucks. Less, if you're creative.
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I suppose, although I'm not sure how anything posted here has been useful or a benefit to anyone in any way whatsoever.
I'm not sure how it's tons of money on overpriced stuff. Besides the obvious fact that value is subjective, which means that something may not be worth even $200 to you, but may be worth $300 to me.
Aside from that, top of the line phones cost around $200 these days. At least third party retailers are allowed to discount Android phones, unlike iPhones. I paid $150 for my Captivate last year at BB (it was still $200 @ AT&T), and I'll be paying $150 for the Atrix (or $200 if the Costco/BB leaks weren't true, which IMHO they are). Not sure how the Atrix is overpriced.
If you are referring to the laptop dock, then personally I would have to agree with you regarding its price. However, that is an accessory. Accessories are always overpriced. If you don't want it, don't buy it. I suspect most people won't, and I suspect it will drop in price pretty quickly. It is the first device of its kind, so if you buy it you are being an early adopter, and it costs a lot to be an early adopter. That's just life. Wait a few months, perhaps there will be third party solutions, or the price will have dropped to something that you can afford. No use crying over spilled milk.
Honestly, it doesn't seem like it would be too hard to build something like the laptop dock. Have a base that holds a bluetooth keyboard and a docking slot for the Atrix where you want your trackpad to be, attach one of those PS LCDs to the top and throw in some batteries. I'm sure it could be done for a couple of hundred bucks. Less, if you're creative.
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$200 for the phone is fine. It's a standard that seems to hold.
The trackpad and the tethering plan are the ridiculous greedy practices no one should support. Subjectivity of value or not, an extra $20 a month to use that data you already pay for in a cradle is asinine.
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i agree with you about constructive feedback. But none of the posters have even seen the phone yet. Its not available for demo in the stores until the 13th. So how can they be so negative about it? Has anyone seen it yet? Does anyone have service with the phone that can tell us exactly what the charges and plan looks like? I will wait until I can actually see the phone and talk to an at&t rep and get more info.....
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Well you don't need to hold the device to know about the tethering rip off. Or double a netbook price for a screen, battery, and keyboard.
The phone itself isn't garnering much $ complaints as far as I've seen.
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$200 for the phone is fine. It's a standard that seems to hold.
The trackpad and the tethering plan are the ridiculous greedy practices no one should support. Subjectivity of value or not, an extra $20 a month to use that data you already pay for in a cradle is asinine.
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So don't support them if you don't want it. I don't see how complaining about it on XDA is helping anyone, though.
All the comparisons that people are drawing here, comparing the dock to a netbook (e.g., why not just get a netbook) are missing the point: it is most definitely not a netbook. If it was, it would be priced like a netbook. It is different than a netbook, different functionality, although they do serve a similar purpose. Lots of people buy Macs (not me ), despite the fact that they cost more than an equivalent PC would. For some of us, not everything is about what the cheapest alternative is.
This is a completely new category of product, and being the first person to own it will cost a lot, similar to the original iPhone.
The tethering plan isn't required if you buy the dock separately, and even if you buy them together, you can just cancel tethering. There's nothing to stop you.
If it turns out that the laptop dock (or any other dock, or use of the webtop environment), has some feature to alert AT&T of your usage without a tethering plan or block you from using it without a tethering plan, then I would agree. However, nobody has shown that to be the case at this point. My guess would be that the security measure would be defeated to allow this without paying for tethering within a few days.
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So don't support them if you don't want it. I don't see how complaining about it on XDA is helping anyone, though.
All the comparisons that people are drawing here, comparing the dock to a netbook (e.g., why not just get a netbook) are missing the point: it is most definitely not a netbook. If it was, it would be priced like a netbook. It is different than a netbook, different functionality, although they do serve a similar purpose. Lots of people buy Macs (not me ), despite the fact that they cost more than an equivalent PC would. For some of us, not everything is about what the cheapest alternative is.
This is a completely new category of product, and being the first person to own it will cost a lot, similar to the original iPhone.
The tethering plan isn't required if you buy the dock separately, and even if you buy them together, you can just cancel tethering. There's nothing to stop you.
If it turns out that the laptop dock (or any other dock, or use of the webtop environment), has some feature to alert AT&T of your usage without a tethering plan or block you from using it without a tethering plan, then I would agree. However, nobody has shown that to be the case at this point. My guess would be that the security measure would be defeated to allow this without paying for tethering within a few days.
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Don't want to lose my unlimited. And bad publicity is only a good thing or the consumer. I guess I don't understand defending those trying to milk you for tons of $$. I'd rather have a good deal on these things than defend a high price.
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Don't want to lose my unlimited. And bad publicity is only a good thing or the consumer. I guess I don't understand defending those trying to milk you for tons of $$. I'd rather have a good deal on these things than defend a high price.
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I don't know anyone who wouldn't rather have a good deal. I'd love it if the dock came for free with the phone, along with a free keg and some strippers. But, unfortunately, we live in reality where stuff costs money and companies have to make money to keep coming out with cool products like the Atrix. If Motorola wants to charge $500 for the dock, then more power to them. I'm happy for it, and you know why? Because they invented the damn thing! Do you see any other phones with laptop docks? No.
Will I buy it for $500? No, because to me $500 is better than that dock. If the dock drops to $50, will I buy it? As long as its hackable. But if Motorola left it to you or me to decide what we wanted to pay for their stuff, they wouldn't ever make a profit. Then they couldn't make things like this any more. Do all the parts and pieces in the dock come to a total of $500? Definitely not, otherwise they wouldn't be able to make any money off of it, and therefore wouldn't make it in the first place. Does it bother you how much higher the retail price is than what the parts cost is? Then why don't you build something better for less.
Why is it that if Motorola spends millions of dollars on R&D, they shouldn't be able to make a profit off of that work and investment? If they can't do that, then why would they bother to create things like the Atrix & dock in the first place? Would you work for 6 months or a year for free so that you could sell a laptop dock for a phone at cost? Nope. So stop whining.
How does bad publicity automatically equal good for the consumer? That's probably one of the dumbest statements I've ever seen on this forum. 60 Minutes gave lots of bad publicity to Audi for unintended acceleration which turned out to be fake, how was that good for consumers? Or anyone outside of 60 Minutes? It hurt consumers, because Audi was almost killed off as a brand in the US, which would have offered fewer choices, and it influenced consumer buying decisions away from a product which may have been superior to the choice they ultimately made due to bad information.
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I don't know anyone who wouldn't rather have a good deal. I'd love it if the dock came for free with the phone, along with a free keg and some strippers. But, unfortunately, we live in reality where stuff costs money and companies have to make money to keep coming out with cool products like the Atrix. If Motorola wants to charge $500 for the dock, then more power to them. I'm happy for it, and you know why? Because they invented the damn thing! Do you see any other phones with laptop docks? No.
Will I buy it for $500? No, because to me $500 is better than that dock. If the dock drops to $50, will I buy it? As long as its hackable. But if Motorola left it to you or me to decide what we wanted to pay for their stuff, they wouldn't ever make a profit. Then they couldn't make things like this any more. Do all the parts and pieces in the dock come to a total of $500? Definitely not, otherwise they wouldn't be able to make any money off of it, and therefore wouldn't make it in the first place. Does it bother you how much higher the retail price is than what the parts cost is? Then why don't you build something better for less.
Why is it that if Motorola spends millions of dollars on R&D, they shouldn't be able to make a profit off of that work and investment? If they can't do that, then why would they bother to create things like the Atrix & dock in the first place? Would you work for 6 months or a year for free so that you could sell a laptop dock for a phone at cost? Nope. So stop whining.
How does bad publicity automatically equal good for the consumer? That's probably one of the dumbest statements I've ever seen on this forum. 60 Minutes gave lots of bad publicity to Audi for unintended acceleration which turned out to be fake, how was that good for consumers? Or anyone outside of 60 Minutes? It hurt consumers, because Audi was almost killed off as a brand in the US, which would have offered fewer choices, and it influenced consumer buying decisions away from a product which may have been superior to the choice they ultimately made due to bad information.
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Feedback is invaluable. Good or bad. If most consumers think something is a terrible value, then the company ought to know, period.
Nobody said anything about profit. Of course we understand that. Should a Honda civic cost 12 million dollars because someone else didn't do the r&d and make it?
Continue to defend obvious ridiculous pricing. I will do the opposite. Thanks.
It seems as though all those that continuously beet down the Atrix secretly like it, because if I don't like something I move on. Why some need to be negative over and over and over with every post is beyond me.
jamezr said:
all you guys that are posting all the negative stuff here about at&t and the atrix....... Get a life..... If you don't want the atrix then don't get it! If you don't like at&t then don't get the atrix! There are tons of great android phones out there from every wireless carrier.
Seriously you are guys are just too much! No one is forcing you to buy the phone or have at&t if you don't want to this is controlled by your choices.
Give it a rest...i have 3 lines on at&t and one on sprint. I never have a problem with either one...... Every carrier charges a premium for there high end phones and 4g all of them do!
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then what the hell is this forum for? Why are we all here? This is part of it.
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Feedback is invaluable. Good or bad. If most consumers think something is a terrible value, then the company ought to know, period.
Nobody said anything about profit. Of course we understand that. Should a Honda civic cost 12 million dollars because someone else didn't do the r&d and make it?
Continue to defend obvious ridiculous pricing. I will do the opposite. Thanks.
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You are right feedback is invaluable to companies and existing and potential consumers. Now how can you give feedback for something you have NEVER used?
Do you have a bill showing us how overcharged you have been from AT&T? Can you show us how much a rip off the data plan is for this phone? Can you show us you invaluable feedback on the phone and difference the bill was on your existing FamilyTalk plan you have with AT&T? So how valuable is your feedback considering you have never used the phone and cannot say what the billing impact was to your new or existing wireless bill/plan?????
You can't do any of those so what value can you criticism be????
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then what the hell is this forum for? Why are we all here? This is part of it.
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You have a point,,,we are all here to discuss and exchange info on the new phone and everything involved or about it. But it just seems like most of what I have been seeing was so negative. Thing is no one knows yet. No one has a bill saying this is what it was before and this what it is now....There just seemed to be a lot posters trolling with negative posts when no one knows yet. I want to discuss the phone and its new technical aspects and the carrier but not have to wade through all the blatant negativity.....
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Nobody said anything about profit. Of course we understand that. Should a Honda civic [sic] cost 12 million dollars [sic] because someone else didn't do the r&d [sic] and make it?
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The Honda Civic isn't the world's first car. Guess what, even if the Civic cost $12 million, it isn't up to you what it costs. If you don't like it, you are free to start your own company and build your own car. Failing that, you can shop elsewhere. Trolling the Honda Civic forums is probably not the best idea you could come up with, however. Perhaps you could visit the forum of a car that you do own, or a car that you can afford to buy when it comes out.
Continue to defend obvious ridiculous pricing. I will do the opposite. Thanks [sic].
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The pricing is what it is. If you can't afford it, get a better job so that you can. Anyone can find out the price of the Atrix and its accessories, and you calling their pricing 'ridiculous' doesn't help anyone here. Everyone can make up their own mind about the pricing, and decide for themselves whether or not they would like to buy the phone and/or its accessories.
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You are right feedback is invaluable to companies and existing and potential consumers. Now how can you give feedback for something you have NEVER used?
Do you have a bill showing us how overcharged you have been from AT&T? Can you show us how much a rip off the data plan is for this phone? Can you show us you invaluable feedback on the phone and difference the bill was on your existing FamilyTalk plan you have with AT&T? So how valuable is your feedback considering you have never used the phone and cannot say what the billing impact was to your new or existing wireless bill/plan?????
You can't do any of those so what value can you criticism be????
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Customer perception of value can only occur if I have had personal hands on time with the device? Like the build quality of the keyboard will suddenly make it worth 500 bucks? Get out of here.
I don't get to set the atrix accessories price, or the honda civic. However, as a consumer interested in these product I can damn sure state my dissatisfaction with their current price points on some items. I can actually do it all day long, without starting my own cell phone company.
You don't know what I do, how much I charge or anything. Just because my expertise lies elsewhere doesn't mean I don't have the right to tell a company or a forum of users how I (I'm also not alone, all the press has ripped them for the dock pricing) feel.
I'll continue to state my opinions, you do the same. Trust me, I don't need a better job. Thanks though!
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Customer perception of value can only occur if I have had personal hands on time with the device? Like the build quality of the keyboard will suddenly make it worth 500 bucks? Get out of here.
I don't get to set the atrix accessories price, or the honda civic. However, as a consumer interested in these product I can damn sure state my dissatisfaction with their current price points on some items. I can actually do it all day long, without starting my own cell phone company.
You don't know what I do, how much I charge or anything. Just because my expertise lies elsewhere doesn't mean I don't have the right to tell a company or a forum of users how I (I'm also not alone, all the press has ripped them for the dock pricing) feel.
I'll continue to state my opinions, you do the same. Trust me, I don't need a better job. Thanks though!
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You're welcome!
Hey guys,
I want to RMA my Nexus 4 due to the buttons not feeling right but my friend wants to buy it off me for more than I what I bought the phone. If I RMA the phone and my friend buys the phone off me, what happens?
If the RMA comes and no phone is returned, I get charged, which is fine but I don't think Google would like this very much.
Or would you guys recommend me just waiting till it goes back in stock and buying the phone the regularly? Thanks.
you can just RMA it then not send a phone back and they will just charge you. they wont care as long as they get their money. and if they do theyre not gonna do anything about it
It depends how much you value morals and ethics.
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you can just RMA it then not send a phone back and they will just charge you. they wont care as long as they get their money. and if they do theyre not gonna do anything about it
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Will I get warranty still even if I'm charged for the new phone?
El Daddy said:
It depends how much you value morals and ethics.
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Same applies for Google. But they don't seen to care much about their "loyal" customers. Rather ditching them, they started sending devices to the people who ordered later. Hence, I would be wise of OP to sell it to his friend and get another RMA device.
filthykid said:
Same applies for Google. But they don't seen to care much about their "loyal" customers. Rather ditching them, they started sending devices to the people who ordered later. Hence, I would be wise of OP to sell it to his friend and get another RMA device.
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It is kind of depressing if you think Google physically ships out the devices.
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It is even more depressing if you expect such lousy service from the biggest online search gaint. If Google can't help by controlling the situation, so do us.
Besides, rather than coming forward and and informing their customers what EXACTLY is happening at the back end (the cause of such dreadful launch), they are playing "blame-game". Where are Google's morals? ethics? loyalty towards customer's?
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It is even more depressing if you expect such lousy service from the biggest online search gaint. If Google can't help by controlling the situation, so do us.
Besides, rather than coming forward and and informing their customers what EXACTLY is happening at the back end (the cause of such dreadful launch), they are playing "blame-game". Where are Google's morals? ethics? loyalty towards customer's?
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Of course I expect crappy service. They are a search giant, not a retailer. They clearly have extremely limited experience in selling products, so I didn't expect too much. Besides, like I said they don't even ship the devices.
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joshnichols189 said:
Of course I expect crappy service. They are a search giant, not a retailer. They clearly have extremely limited experience in selling products, so I didn't expect too much. Besides, like I said they don't even ship the devices.
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Well in that case, they would have been intelligent enough and out-sourced agencies to retail stuff for them. There were many things they would have done rather then just disappointing their customers. And let's say they actually screwed it up.. what now? Stay quiet? Let customers suffer? No official statement about whats going on with them?
We all know the wait is a killer... u just can't get over it. It just bugs you a lot. Just imagine if u r dying to get Nexus 4 and do not foresee any hope of it coming back in a few weeks and even if it comes, the delivery will again take weeks. So in such scenario if the OP wants to sell his device to his friend, what's wrong? His friend is paying him. He is paying Google. Payment is made and device remains with the customer. Thing is done.
However, selling it on premium is greedy-ness but if OP's friend is willing to pay more :/.. then it's his call.
Bad news for Samsung keeps on coming
AT&T will allow any of its customers with replacement Samsung Galaxy Note 7 devices to swap them out for a different smartphone, the company tells The Verge. The move follows Sprint's decision to let its customers return replacement Note 7s for a device from a different manufacturer on the heels of a replacement Note 7 catching fire on a plane earlier this week. The US Consumer Product Safety Commission has opened an investigation into the fire.
At this rate it's likely that Verizon and T-Mobile won't be too far behind in offering to swap out replacement Note 7 devices. With the uncertainty around the safety of the Note 7, offering a full exchange is the easiest way to ease the worries of consumers until the CPSC completes its investigation. If you're an AT&T or Sprint customer, you can take your replacement Note 7 back to the carriers' respective retail stores and exchange the devices for another smartphone of your choosing.
http://www.theverge.com/circuitbrea...tt-samsung-galaxy-note-7-replacement-exchange
Interesting. Not sure what i would do. So far i am enjoying my replacement note 7. If it comes to it i guess i will have to make a decision but i need more info before making that move. Its a shame, Samsung makes good stuff, its unfortunate they are having these issues. We shall see
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If the pixel lured me more I would be all over this but it's just meh. Only reason would be for the software and to be honest. touchwiz isn't as bad as I remember it...this is coming from a nexus guy.
I just called AT&T and none of the Reps seem to know anything about this so called return hmmm.
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I just called AT&T and none of the Reps seem to know anything about this so called return hmmm.
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Yeah I also called. The rep put me on hold to do some research on it and read it . It's something all reps doesn't know about yet. You have to the end of the month to do so. I have the option to switch it out to another device or just return it for a free refund. He made sure that was stated on my account for me to not have problems.
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I just called AT&T and none of the Reps seem to know anything about this so called return hmmm.
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Yep, it's probably craziness in the near future for us, all over again. All four carriers are allowing an exchange now, Ihttps://www.google.com/amp/www.theverge.com/platform/amp/circuitbreaker/2016/10/7/13202250/att-samsung-galaxy-note-7-replacement-exchange
I don't see a future with note 7 in hand. I do love the phone., hope it's not recalled again but its not looking good.
At leaset in the next few weeks we will have a few more phone choices...... unlike last month. I am thinking of.jumping to the V20 if a 2nd recall happens
This really sucks because I've fallen in love with my Note 7. There's not even any other phone on AT&T that I would get with the exception of the S7 edge. I'm really hoping this guy turns out to be a scam artist.
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This really sucks because I've fallen in love with my Note 7. There's not even any other phone on AT&T that I would get with the exception of the S7 edge. I'm really hoping this guy turns out to be a scam artist.
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Carriers must know something we don't... I think if there was any chance of this being fake they wouldn't have reacted this way so quickly. I think they know something we don't.
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Carriers must know something we don't... I think if there was any chance of this being fake they wouldn't have reacted this way so quickly. I think they know something we don't.
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I know. I might jump ship. The carrier's have to know something. Since when does AT&T reach out to Android Central to tell them they are also on board with the device turn in.
I feel there is little choice but to change. It's only a matter of time before the next report of a burning replacement and good luck selling this second hand in the future . I will try the v20. I wish I had kept my Note5 and not lost $350 on selling it.
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Carriers must know something we don't... I think if there was any chance of this being fake they wouldn't have reacted this way so quickly. I think they know something we don't.
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I've been thinking the same thing all day. A CSPC official said in an article that if the phone was a replacement one that there will more than likely be another recall.
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and here i am completely unable to even buy a note 7. AT&T keeps telling me no since i opted for the refund instead of a loaner phone. I fumed so much over that.
Not even sure which phone to go with. The Note 7 was the only phone that checked all the boxes. I sold my S7 Edge to get it, and I am not going to go buy another one.
-big screen
-water resistance
-expandable storage
-fast charging
-no on screen buttons
Not necessarily guys, relax. They may be doing this just to cover their own ass. I would like to believe that if anything real serious was known an announcement would be made my Samsung.
We shall see i the days to come. Samsung reacted quickly the 1st time, lets see what happens
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I just hope the v20 has a good screen.
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Not necessarily guys, relax. They may be doing this just to cover their own ass. I would like to believe that if anything real serious was known an announcement would be made my Samsung.
We shall see i the days to come. Samsung reacted quickly the 1st time, lets see what happens
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I just feel this phone will be at the bottom.of the pile like a non flagship budget. For cases, accessories, updates ect... . Not many people are on board with the note 7, if there is no recall not many will be on board with all the bad press. So why would anyone put any effort or invest money/more products into the note 7. Speaking. Of, we will surely not see a functional.curved glass SP. In my line of work tempered sp is a must. One reason why I may go v20, same.screen real estate as the note 7 but not curved so SP will actually stay on.
The note 7 and bogo deal was the only reason I upgraded and added a phone to my plan. Samsung had no other device I want so now I may get screwed out of the bogo and have to pay more each month than I had originally planned and I can't take back my note 5 now, which I gave to our functioning disabled son
Its absolutely tragic that this is happening. I really wanted this device to be my go to for the next couple of years. Its my first phone since the Note 4 was released and its a beast! I guess in the race to create a flagship like this Samsung has finally cut too many corners. It seems to me that the inherent design of the battery and the chassis just aren't optimal. They should have spent a bit more time on the battery enclosure and possibly reduced the battery capacity slightly to compensate for the tight tolerances. Im not even really sure that would have done anything to help. But anyhow, I think the rest of the community will probably feel the pain. I have already started looking at other devices, leaning (for the first time in 8 years) towards another iPhone. Or I can go to the Pixel xl. Everything other than the Note 7 released this year has been such a let down though.
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Its absolutely tragic that this is happening. I really wanted this device to be my go to for the next couple of years. Its my first phone since the Note 4 was released and its a beast! I guess in the race to create a flagship like this Samsung has finally cut too many corners. It seems to me that the inherent design of the battery and the chassis just aren't optimal. They should have spent a bit more time on the battery enclosure and possibly reduced the battery capacity slightly to compensate for the tight tolerances. Im not even really sure that would have done anything to help. But anyhow, I think the rest of the community will probably feel the pain. I have already started looking at other devices, leaning (for the first time in 8 years) towards another iPhone. Or I can go to the Pixel xl. Everything other than the Note 7 released this year has been such a let down though.
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I'm in the exact position bro. Wow off topic but I just took my phone in the shower with me and obviously it got soaked and now the loud speaker sounds all distorted...
Chadly said:
I'm in the exact position bro. Wow off topic but I just took my phone in the shower with me and obviously it got soaked and now the loud speaker sounds all distorted...
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For sure! Yikes, I believe that steam and heat actually causes the rubber seals to loosen a bit. Its one of the only ways that you can actually get water damage on these devices other than taking them too deep in the water. Sorry bud, Im sure you can still give it back though when/if you decide too. lol
So it's not normal for the loudspeaker to sound like crap after? It seems like it's back to normal now.
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So it's not normal for the loudspeaker to sound like crap after? It seems like it's back to normal now.
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Yes it is normal until it dries out.